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Topic: Creating Flash Paper
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Mar 27, 2010 02:27AM)
I am sure everyone is going to tell me to buy it and not to attempt to make my own. I don't use the stuff anymore, however my father, who is a retired police officer and a gunsmith, is wanting info on how to learn. Apparently they sell it with a huge mark up at gun shows. Please pm me with any info you have or sources I could track down. He is a welder and an electrician and is not scared of the danger as long as he can first learn the knowledge.

Regards
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 27, 2010 10:17AM)
Read these post in this link and then decide;

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=289283&forum=20&22

I am sure your dad is a great guy and has a good head on his sholders so he should know how dangerous a meth lab is. Handling chemicals is very dangerous and should only be attemtped by trained technicians with proper safety procedures and equipment.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Mar 27, 2010 11:46AM)
There is a dvd outtitled, how to make flash paper, but I do not own it, so that's all I know
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Mar 27, 2010 04:10PM)
"should only be attemtped by trained technicians with proper safety procedures and equipment."
He would like to learn. That is why I'm asking.

Before he was a 35 year veteran of the police department he was a jet mechanic on a aircraft carrier. Before that he was raised on a farm where dangers and chemicals are a normal part of life. He isn't wanting to go off willy nilly and do this. I was hoping someone knew where he could learn. Has to do with muzzle loading I think? I'm just a fire juggler, eater, and blower. That's why he hoped I could find out.

Regards,
Ted
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 29, 2010 10:37PM)
One accident is all it takes. I have personally seen the aftermath.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 29, 2010 11:18PM)
Ok, Ted here we go and you are probably not going to like what I say and probably not going to listen either. First you have to get the proper permits and licenses in order to purchase and handle hazardous chemicals and material. You must maintain MSDS sheets on all materials used. To manufacture the end product you have to have the proper equipment to handle the chemicals and have to be trained to handle the media safely. You have to document the purchase and the proper deposal of the left over material. Everything has to be traceable. You have to be in compliance with the local and state firemarshall's office, EPA, OSHA and local, state and federal laws. You have to have emergency management procedures in place.

My full time job is selling valves, hazardous gas monitors, explosion proof sensors and instrumentation to chemical and power plants. My customers have state of the art equipment to handle very dangerous chemicals daily and they have accidents.

I had an associate in another part of the country that had a seal to fail on a fire safe valve on a hydraulic line (the seal had not been properly maintained). The line sprayed hydraulic fluid at 1500 psi and then ignited causing a flash fire and then in turn caused a flammable liquid to ignite killing one worker instantly and injuring three others.

Look at YouTube when a guy goes to a gas station to fill up and by accident causes his car to burst into flames because the static electricity discharged from his hand.
Message: Posted by: Magic Tad (Mar 30, 2010 12:43AM)
I work in a chemical plant with acids and solvents, explosions and fires are nothing to take lightly. If you decide to make flash paper the inital investment should be in fire proffing your work area" well away from your home or any thing flamable. Second safe handling of dangerous acids require special saftey gear nitrile goves face shields aprons and third you need to have a safe way to disspose of all wastes, these are not safe to dump down the drain, or just bottle and send to the dump. They requier neutalization. Yet another strong chemical reaction.
Just one more concern if your are trying to dry something as flameable as flash paper they probably use nitrogen to prevent it from flashing off at first, this is an asphixiant and will kill you if not carefull. Please think hard about taking on this challenge. I have twenty years in the chemical/pharmaceutical field and I choose to buy it. Lots and lots less headaches. Good luck
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Mar 30, 2010 05:30AM)
Not to mention, those activities would likely void your insurance policy.
So save up for when your house burns down. You will have to pay for it, along with hospital, funeral expenses and any litigation. It will all come out of your pocket.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Mar 30, 2010 11:33AM)
Okay. I'll have to ask other resources. Did I mention my father was a gunsmith? Yes I did. He has a shop full of gun powder and other dangerous chemicals used in reloading and gunsmith equipment. No one seems to know how to get this education yet I know people far less clever than my father who have made this. I know of magic shops that used to make it in the shop in off hours years ago. Thanks for all the warnings guys just wish I could have found out more info on how to get the education.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 30, 2010 08:55PM)
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On 2010-03-27 03:27, Rotten wrote:
Apparently they sell it with a huge mark up at gun shows. Please pm me with any info you have or sources I could track down. He is a welder and an electrician and is not scared of the danger as long as he can first learn the knowledge.

Regards
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Are you willing to risk damage to property, injury, or potentially death to make a little extra money?
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Mar 30, 2010 09:57PM)
He isn't going to sell it. As I have said he is a gunsmith and wants to buy a particular rifle that uses it in the muzzleloading process. He wants to use it and likes to build things himself. He doesn't need the money he is old school. "I'm not gonna pay for that when I can make it" He can afford to buy it he just doesn't want to. I have found several resources for him and I am sure he will be making it in no time.

Regards,
Ted
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Mar 30, 2010 10:02PM)
Good luck and I wish you well.
Message: Posted by: Rotten (Mar 31, 2010 11:52AM)
Btw. I forgot to mention, he'll be 70 next month and has been retired from the force for many years. He has a million $'s worth of riffles and pistols. He just likes to create and make things himself as a hobby. I don't think he needs luck. He's a smart old coot. I won't be anywhere near the unlikely blast as I live half way across the country from him. ;-)
Message: Posted by: bluedragon (Jan 3, 2012 04:32PM)
Wow interesting post!

What happened to this guy wanting to make his own flash paper?

Did the guy manage to find any guides on how to make it?

Neil.
Message: Posted by: Darkwing (Jan 6, 2012 07:37PM)
I hope not
Message: Posted by: LaurensMalter (Jan 16, 2012 08:21AM)
I have had flash paper light up in my hand and my hand was closed, leaves a nasty burn and an equally nasty smell, and this was just a very small piece. One small accident was all I needed to know I would never try to make this myself.
Message: Posted by: Daz Buckley (Jan 17, 2012 11:16PM)
No idea whre you would find the info but good luck in the hunt. you can't protect the worl from itself guys
Message: Posted by: Susan Fan (Feb 16, 2012 02:33AM)
Do your konw it is very dangerours to make and store flash paper, I sale flash paper, my boss is the owener of flash product facotry. He konw how to avoide the harmless of flash paper, but his stuff didn't know clearly, onetime one of worker burnt himself by accident, he want to burn the useless flash paper,but he do in a wrong way, so he was injured . And my boss had to pay the cost of everything, including hospital cost, factory cost etc.

China flash paper supplier and manufactured. http://www.redcornermagic.com

Susan

susan@redcornermagic.com
Message: Posted by: PWB (Jun 26, 2012 04:46PM)
Ok.....I admit it....I used to make flash paper...OK a lot of flash paper, it wasn't that hard to make, and it was lots of fun to play with( I mean use) in different effect. Without going into detail of the chemicals required. They are very difficult to get.. The are not very many places to buy the material, and it is getting very hard to get any shipped. I spent 4 month getting it delivered
It is so much easier to go to my magic dealer (Denny and Lee's)magic shop.
Message: Posted by: john serifino (Aug 10, 2012 08:39AM)
Just because some one is a gun smith it does not make them qualified to make flash paper. Many people do not realize flash paper is a high explosive and as with many high explosives if even a slight mistake is made it can explode durring the manufacturing process. I have two books in my collection of pyro books (I havd a pyro lic) but I think they are our of print. Being a gun smith the persons dad should have the required FFL and tesale lic. just buy it ready made. Besides geting the Fed and state permits to manufacture high explosives is not all the easy0
dthere was a magician in the San Francisci area that made his own flash paper many decades ago, then on day his house blew up.
Message: Posted by: Gary T. (Sep 2, 2012 04:28PM)
Actually guys not to be an ass, but being a gun smith might very well be a helpful factor when it comes to this kind of stuff, I mean I'm not saying that qualifies him or anybody, but did you ever notice how gun barrels are black? that's not paint bud, its a certain kind of oxidization that protects the metal, and you come by that using verry dangerous chemicals, a black oxide coating is the flashpaper of the metal world haha. I'm not saying he should try it or that he's certified to do it, I don't even know if he's ever done a black oxide coating, all I'm saying is don't be so quick to put down gun smiths.
Message: Posted by: Bill Thompson (Dec 3, 2018 07:43AM)
There was a young man from Green Bay
Who was making flash paper one day
He dropped a live match
Upon the whole batch
There WAS a young man from Green Bay
Message: Posted by: imgic (Dec 19, 2018 10:31PM)
[quote]On Dec 3, 2018, Bill Thompson wrote:
There was a young man from Green Bay
Who was making flash paper one day
He dropped a live match
Upon the whole batch
There WAS a young man from Green Bay [/quote]

As a Wisconsin native (and one afraid to make their own flash paper) this made my day
Message: Posted by: danieltirado (Dec 26, 2018 07:28AM)
Jejejje...
Message: Posted by: Wabojeg (Mar 21, 2019 03:20PM)
Hello. I have a very experienced chemist friend with a lab in his garage that will make some for me. That said if I could buy what I want I wouldn't have him do it. I want a heavier weight paper. I see a company in China sells it wholesale (not sure how they would get away with shipping it to another country) but the stuff I find at magic shops in all like tissue paper. Any suggestions? Thanks, Kevin
Message: Posted by: Ray Pierce (Jul 7, 2019 08:17PM)
The heavier weight paper will retard the burn rate as less oxygen can get to the fibers. Everyone I know that has used larger effects always made them up with the normal size pieces matrixed together. I personally would be scared to death of someone attempting to make this in their garage. There is just too much risk as it can spontaneously combust at several points in the process... even while drying. It is basically a form of nitro glycerin yet still combusts as a deflagrating explosive.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 13, 2019 06:02AM)
Here a little fact not well known. all the places that have made Flash paper, have all exploded or burnt down at one time or another. That is why flash paper comes and goes on the market. Takes a long time to restart a business when everyone is dead.

From the pictures I have seen, most of these so called manufacturing places are nothing but a small wood building a little bigger then an "Out House" and way out in the wilderness, away from all civilization.

Flash paper would not be flash paper if it were made with thick paper. It would just be a burning sheet of paper, very slowly.

Make your own, that is a real joke, and very dumb thing to attempt.

Do you really think a man that makes flash paper for a living would tell the process to anyone for free on a magic website. But if you want to, take some college courses on chemistry.
Message: Posted by: AndrewI (Aug 19, 2019 09:14PM)
Genuine questions - if this stuff is so dangerous, why are there many effects on the market which use/require it? Or is it only dangerous to manufacture, and once it's manufactured it's nice and safe? I ask because I live in New Zealand and there are no magic shops here who sell flash paper (or any kind of supplier of flash paper at all as far as I can find). None of the mainstream magic shops overseas will send it to me in New Zealand. I did buy a small amount from a Chinese vendor on AliExpress as an experiment, and it was packaged up and sent on its way to me but the delivery was cancelled before it got out of China. I don't need to guess why... Anyway this leaves me stuck with either (A) never do any of the tricks which require or are improved by flash paper (B) make my own (doesn't seem like a top plan after reading this thread) or (C) find an alternative way of creating a flash of low-residue fire.
Anyone have any suggestions for (C)? (Or even better, know of someone who can supply flash paper to me in New Zealand)? Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 19, 2019 10:27PM)
AndrewI, yes Flash Paper and Flash Cotton are very dangerous, it is never safe.

All flash products have to be sent by land and sea, meaning trucks and ships, and marked clearly. It is now shipped surface shipping, and is packed in a liquid, most likely a water product. When the retailer gets the product, he has to open it and dry it out for several days, before it can be ready for sale.

You just have to do your research for your country, it is all about how important it is to you.