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Topic: R. Paul Wilson's "Con Cam Coincidencia"
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Apr 27, 2010 09:31PM)
I love these kind of tricks. Anybody checked out this download? In brief, four people (one magician, three specs) follow one of the spec's deals and all wind up with four of a kind. Uses a borrowed, shuffled deck.

http://store.dananddave.com/con-cam-coincidencia-paul-wilson.html
Message: Posted by: muse (Apr 28, 2010 07:01AM)
Ok, I went for it. It's been a tough day and then the photocopier went on the blink, so I deserved it, OK?

The demo video doesn't show every last bit of it, so if that's going to offend you, don't go for it. Having said that, if I was them I wouldn't have either, because you and I and the hordes of scavenging internet magicians would be able to work it out by playing it over.

As I only downloaded it 20 minutes ago and have only performed it once so far, and that for my ham sandwich, I can't vouch for authentic spectator reactions. (My ham sandwich is really blasť about magic these days, thinks he's seen it all.) But the trick is straightforward and there is no knucklebusting involved, the video gives good, clear instructions, and throws in a couple of nice subtleties too.

In terms of value, I won't get into the 'cost of a single trick vs the cost of a book' debate, but the price of the uni-trick was about ten of my Scottish pounds, and I have to say that I will definitely do this. It's a good trick, and I think I even saw the edges of my ham sandwich turn up in a wry smile.
Message: Posted by: IanKendall (Apr 28, 2010 12:50PM)
I've been part of this trick, and I've seen the reactions of magicians - one of almost shock at the end. The reactions claimed by Paul are accurate.

Yes, knowledgeable magicians could reverse engineer the method from watching the video, and some can follow the routine as it is happening, but for many magicians and all real people this is an amazing effect.

The freeness of the handling will put anyone at ease, and it's very difficult to think back on what happened (but not in a bad way).It's not an opener, and it's not really a closer, either. What it is is a very nicely constructed _event_ for three spectators, one that will be remembered and commented upon for a long time.

Take care, Ian
Message: Posted by: bugjack (Apr 28, 2010 12:58PM)
Thanks, Muse and Ian.

As for the demo video, what you guys wrote is obvious to me and I'm not offended by it. It's clear by the use of editing and title cards that stuff is left out. Muse, glad to know the ham sandwich gives it a begrudging thumbs up.
Message: Posted by: muse (Apr 28, 2010 02:40PM)
Any begrudging part of the approval was strictly on the part of the sandwich. To my way of thinking this is a good trick, and is worth the price.
Message: Posted by: damiaan (Apr 28, 2010 03:33PM)
Thanks for the reviews.
Message: Posted by: RogueMD (Apr 28, 2010 04:11PM)
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On 2010-04-28 08:01, muse wrote:
ham sandwich turn up in a wry smile.
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Are you sure that wasn't a "rye" smile? <DUCKS>

Thanks for the review!
Message: Posted by: Doctor REvil (Apr 30, 2010 03:44AM)
Do D&D take paypal outside of the US yet?........last time I tried to order from them was very upsetting!.
Message: Posted by: muse (Apr 30, 2010 08:28AM)
No paypal was available to non-US buyers, credit card payment was needed from here
Message: Posted by: Doctor REvil (Apr 30, 2010 10:36AM)
Thanks,

same as last time I tried to order from them, oh well, their loss, plenty of others will willingly take my money.
Message: Posted by: Mathias Kersting (May 2, 2010 09:21PM)
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On 2010-04-30 11:36, Doctor REvil wrote:
Thanks,

same as last time I tried to order from them, oh well, their loss, plenty of others will willingly take my money.
[/quote]


I asked about this issue to Dan and Dave support when I found out about it, and this was my reply.


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Do to numerous fraudulent customers we can no longer accept Paypal from overseas customers through our website.

Please tally-up the total cost of your shipping and send the money to our alternate Paypal account at orders@dananddave.com making sure to state what it is that you're ordering.

Thanks,
Myles


Customer Support
support.dananddave.com
[/quote]

I haven't had any problems purchasing on-demands since then.
Message: Posted by: John Carey (May 3, 2010 06:13AM)
There was far too much chopping done on this trailor. I can't really make out what the effect is, which is a shame as Paul puts out really nice work. I can understand the twins not wanting people to be able to suss out the method, but I think the trailor goes a bit over the top editing wise.

John
Message: Posted by: ryesteve (May 3, 2010 01:35PM)
My first reaction to the demo video was slight annoyance at all the edits, but I understood that since this was billed as a self-working trick, it was necessary.

However, when I learned exactly what was cut out of the very last edit, the effect became infinitely less miraculous, and I no longer felt that particular edit was a fair one. It's one thing to make edits to avoid exposure, but it's an entirely different matter to make edits to imply the effect is accomplishing something it's really not.
Message: Posted by: Quentin (May 4, 2010 06:20PM)
I was with Ian Kendall when Paul performed this for us at Blackpool. It totally fried me. I am not a card man and generally detest the fecky little ace twisting effects beloved by card magicians before they turn into Jack Sandwiches.

This is not one of those tricks. It uses a regular borrowed deck, requires no preparation or set up and totally involves three or four spectators (you the performer can be one of them if you wish). It appears the spectators do everything.

This is a solid professional routine based on principles you probably know. It does require spectator management and showmanship. Ian said it is neither an opener or a closer. I think it's best as an encore piece. Then leave. You can't follow it.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (May 4, 2010 06:35PM)
I'm a big fan of the "Con Cam" genre of tricks that Paul releases. They're not knuckle-busting routines but they are always hard hitting. I purchased the Scotland Up Close book just to learn the Con Cam Cards Across. I'll definitely be getting this soon.
Message: Posted by: ixnay66 (Jun 5, 2010 07:45PM)
[quote]
On 2010-04-30 11:36, Doctor REvil wrote:
Thanks,

same as last time I tried to order from them, oh well, their loss, plenty of others will willingly take my money.
[/quote]

Or you could just use a credit card. I can't imagine someone in this day and age not having one.
Message: Posted by: Dominique (Jun 6, 2010 04:37AM)
Hi,

The edit discussed above on one hand can be understood : you can, by reverse engineering, if you watch it carefully several times, understand how it works. So that the editing process protect the secret, so the product to be sold.

Ok, it's a good point (even if this kind of trick has to be prohibited from any T.V/Youtube performance venue for this same big weakness). But is this kind of trailer intended to laymen or to magicians ?

"A card is chosen and lost in the deck" according to the trailer : ok, we are kindly invited not to ask how it is chosen and how it is lost in the deck, since it must be one of the key point of the method.


Indeed, on the other hand, you can't really appreciate the real all effect the trick you're about to buy will have on your audience : does the method of selection and to get back the card work well with my own magic standards : I can't tell from this trailer. One point for CCC : if we can't judge of the overall effect, it yet doesn't lie on the false crazy reactions get by the wanna-be-street-performer of the usual magic marketing.

Other example it's well known that there 2 kind of self-working tricks : the great ones and the ones where the spectator has to count cards, then to count them again, and substract some, and make X packets and so on...: for CCC I just read "and each spectator get a smal packet of cards"...hum, ok , how ?

The effect is one thing, but the way our audience will perceive the procedure (specially in self-working effects where the procedure may be boring and tedious) is at least as much as important.

Trailer : new great big illusion easy to do, self working : (on an eletronic music loop) put a nice woman into a box (the box can be examined, can be borrowed) - here comes a black insert with some praise for this to notch trick by a well-known non paid magician- wahou end of the trailer : and now a tiger comes from the box : do you buy it ?

This kind of huge editing is also a sure way to hide the method from those who can actually already knows it ... and didn't care about buying it again.

The ad for "Con Cam Coincidia" stress a lot that it's an incredible self-working coincidence FASDIU...but as I watched the trailer it sounds to me a lot that the all key of the trick comes directly from a quite confidential but famous Karl Fulves' booklet where from a FASDIU the magician manages to get for himself the four aces- here in CCC the four of a kind seem just to be given each one to a different spectator (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110541206002&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT).

Obviously, since Mr.WILSON is a serious magic seller, this source must be kindly given in the video itself I suppose, that's not my point, but sometimes I wonder it if would not be a fairest ad to give the sources in fact before, in the ad itself, to counteract a such huge editing concealment.

So is this ad deliberatly misleading by the cuts done ? Does CCC avoid all the classic pitfalls of the self-worging effects mentionned above: you can't tell. And as usual with this kind of net-buzz-trick : 13$ for only one trick, any magic book is still a best bargain of course.
Message: Posted by: inaciolino (Nov 8, 2013 08:33AM)
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On 2010-05-03 07:13, John Carey wrote:
There was far too much chopping done on this trailer. I can't really make out what the effect is, which is a shame as Paul puts out really nice work. I can understand the twins not wanting people to be able to suss out the method, but I think the trailer goes a bit over the top editing wise.

John
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I have to agree. I was very disappointed with this download. I know Mr. Wilson and the twins are very good magicians and they don't need to use this sort of thing to sell effects. They show one effect and sell other, that was the impression I had!!! See you!!!
Message: Posted by: Dallas Robbins (Nov 11, 2013 11:30PM)
Having just bought this a few days ago, I had a somewhat similar reaction. After seeing the entire performance, I was a little disappointed, but I was still fooled until the explanation. After thinking about for a few days, I still really like it and will definitely use it. I've even come up with a few slight changes in the beginning with how the card is chosen and becomes known to the magician, making it an even tighter beginning, with no need to show the cards face up. I'm also thinking through the packet making part of the effect, maybe developing this with a phrase or two that may heighten the narrative, but I may just leave it as is. I think Wilson has come up with a great effect here that has got my mind working.
Message: Posted by: smullins (Nov 12, 2013 01:04PM)
I took the basics of this and kind of created something of my own. It's a great piece and really interesting.

While the demo kind of stinks at showing you WHAT is happening it's still a great idea and routine for the money. Well spent I think.
Message: Posted by: EndersGame (Oct 17, 2018 01:22AM)
Interestingly, Shin Lim chose to perform this routine on the final episode of AGT this year. He also performed it on Ellen.

Here are clips of both his performances of "Con Cam Coincidencia":

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Message: Posted by: John C (Oct 20, 2018 04:41PM)
I just downloaded this. For an ex professional and now an every now and then performer this is a great mind blowing trick. For me it's good because there's not much to remember if you only occasionally perform. But it packs a super wallop.

The little details from Mr Lim are great as well. But R. Paul makes it very easy to select the card and place it back in the deck. A real no brainer if you want a mind blower routine.
Message: Posted by: countrymaven (Oct 24, 2018 04:13PM)
C'mon guys. if this blew minds in AGT, and it is not very difficult to do, it is a keeper. WELL WORTH EVERY PENNY. IT IS A REPUTATION MAKER, and it highlights the importance of showmanship and routining as the key to great card magic. not finger flicking moves, as in so many people's ace sandwich type effects. this kills.
Message: Posted by: gismo (Oct 25, 2018 04:32AM)
Thanks for posting the Shin Lim Videos, now I have Con Cam Coincidencia in focus again
Message: Posted by: fcchief1 (Oct 25, 2018 03:21PM)
Not sure why I did not notice this before but have R Paul Wilsons DVD set. Shin puts a nice touch on it, instead of the way it is taught on the DVD with a k****** makes it even more deceptive and impossible. Definitely be breaking this out this weekend.
Message: Posted by: Robert P. (Oct 26, 2018 06:36AM)
If anyone is wondering which DVD set it is on, it is his Killers DVD collection.
Message: Posted by: Sophocles (Oct 26, 2018 08:17AM)
Thanks guys for highlighting this. I never knew this effect before and it's so obvious. Amazing reactions!
On the Ellen Show one of the participants didn't handle her cards well but no one noticed.

Like Gemini Twins it impresses despite its simplicity.
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Nov 6, 2018 07:13PM)
[quote]On Oct 26, 2018, Robert P. wrote:
If anyone is wondering which DVD set it is on, it is his Killers DVD collection. [/quote]

If I had the extra $$ I would have bought the 2 dvd set just cuz. However, I got the download. I believe this is some money really well spent and I'm not really a card guy. Actually kinda new to cards,still. Use any borrowed deck. Shuffle the cards around alot! It seems impossible! Shhhhhhhhhhhhh! There's a reason everyone was baffled! 😀. $.02
Message: Posted by: RickVancouver (Nov 10, 2018 01:08AM)
Combine this with Ryan Schlutz's Pivotal P*** and you will devastate magicians with this.
Message: Posted by: Doug Peters (Nov 15, 2018 09:36AM)
Hey guys -- let me know what you think of a potential "pre-climax" to C3:

Suppose you set a "prediction" on the table before the proceedings.
Now, *just* before the final reveal, you ask each participant to announce the *number* of cards in their pile.
You then ask one of the volunteers to sum up the number of cards in the four piles.
Of course, just before you make that request, you pick up the "prediction" and use a TW/NW and some (trivial) arithmetic...
You turn over the prediction, and it matches the total number of cards in the four piles.

The "benefit" of this "extension" to the effect is three-fold:
- it is another "magical moment" (with heat off the "work")
- it adds some "delay misdirection" before the final reveal
(but more importantly)
- it gives some rationale for the proceedings! (otherwise, it is kind of "random magician stuff")
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Nov 16, 2018 07:00AM)
Shin Lim really makes this look great!
Message: Posted by: RCarruth (Nov 17, 2018 11:38PM)
I performed this at a table full of magicians.. and no one had a clue.. Pregnant pauses and conversation are the key. It's the small talk that makes the audience forget all the steps. The last step bothered me also.. until I decided to perform it with panache. In the unlikely event one of the spectators catches on to what you're doing, pat them on the back and congratulate them for being in the top 2 percentile of geniuses. They won't tell and they'll love you for the compliment. Should you buy it? If it's something you'll add to your repertoire, then it's well worth the single item purchase price. I've bought entire DVD sets.. and not found a single worthy effect.
Message: Posted by: robo2084 (Oct 11, 2020 01:52PM)
Hi all, I was just looking at the Shin Lim performance of this and was wondering if anyone knows what peek or riffle force Shin Lim uses. It's quite effective. He does seem to possibly look at the bottom card in the deck as he hands it to Ellen.
Message: Posted by: alexK (Nov 29, 2020 07:26AM)
[quote]On Oct 11, 2020, robo2084 wrote:
Hi all, I was just looking at the Shin Lim performance of this and was wondering if anyone knows what peek or riffle force Shin Lim uses. It's quite effective. He does seem to possibly look at the bottom card in the deck as he hands it to Ellen. [/quote]
Paul also brings out C3 Poker, it,'s a second version of this effect (different) and there he teaches I think the same peek shin was using on the AGT Performance.
Message: Posted by: Pepsi Twist (Nov 30, 2020 04:09AM)
The peek or one almost indistinguishable is also the first item in John Bannon's Mentalissimo
Message: Posted by: MikeBeaudet (Dec 30, 2020 04:05PM)
[quote]On Nov 30, 2020, Pepsi Twist wrote:
The peek or one almost indistinguishable is also the first item in John Bannon's Mentalissimo [/quote]
I really great peek, you can do miracles with it...
Message: Posted by: Rodeo (Jan 21, 2021 12:36PM)
I am a huge fan of this! Using a m****d deck, it was easily within my skill level early and a great way to incorporate three other people and concentrate on presentation.
Message: Posted by: SoloDoubleAct (Jan 22, 2021 03:50PM)
I peek a k** c*** when they go to return the fair selection, then ribbon spread face up asking a different spectator if they see the selected card. They say no, I say of course you do because they are all right there! Then I go about the rest of the routine as I confirm that only one spectator knows the selection; not me and not anyone else; very fair and allows you to call back that moment later in the routine.
Message: Posted by: Rspangl (Jan 25, 2021 10:03PM)
I like the basic routine that Paul teaches, but there are some good tips here for taking it up another notch. Thanks.