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Topic: SAM or IBM
Message: Posted by: Eric Grossman (Apr 10, 2002 08:55AM)
Is The IBM preferable to the SAM. I'm curious. Please let me know what you guys think. I'm on the verge of joining the SAM, but I wonder if the IBM would be better for me. How do they compare?
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Apr 10, 2002 09:52AM)
That is a tough choice. Go to both of them for several meetings then decide. That is if you must pick one.

The SAM offers an entertainer's group Insurance Policy. Outside of that they are both great organizations. What you will probably see are many of the same magicians belong to both.

Sometimes, for whatever reasons, one organization may be much, much larger in membership and the monthly meetings are a lot more enjoyable. The only way you will know for sure is to attend several meetings.
Message: Posted by: Dr. JK (Apr 10, 2002 10:40AM)
In my case, (and it may apply to you too) only the IBM is close enough for me to join. The nearest ring is about 1 hr. away from me, and the nearest SAM is at least 2 hrs. away, so traveling could also play a big part. However, if both of them are the same distance away for you, go to the one with which you are most comfortable.

Like DenDowhy said, visit a few meetings and get to know the atmosphere and people. I Hope this helps!
Message: Posted by: Peter Marucci (Apr 10, 2002 03:08PM)
Alphis has it right on: Which is more physically convenient for you?

Is there an SAM Assembly nearby? Is there an IBM Ring nearby?

If both, check them both out and go with the one you are most comfortable with.
Rings and Assemblies vary widely in their quality: some are fabulous, full of helpful and eager members; others are barely hanging on.

Although, sbasscase, since you give your address as St. Louis, which is where the IBM head office is located, that might be the way to go.

John Harness is the secretary of the St. Louis Ring; you can e-mail him at:
(Besides, with IBM membership, you get the Linking Ring magazine, and it has such REALLY NICE columnists! :blush: )
Peter Marucci
Message: Posted by: Dr. TORA (Apr 11, 2002 02:14AM)
I totally agree with Peter about the Linking Ring. It is an invaluable source of information, having nice columnists like Peter Marucci, Aldo Colombini and much more.

Nevertheless, it has rings in many places so you know that there is somebody to help you if you need. It is really based on Brotherhood.
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Message: Posted by: Eric Grossman (Apr 11, 2002 09:21AM)
Thanks Guys,
I have my SAM application, and I have sent for my IBM app. I will try to attend some meetings, and find out a bit about my local rings. You've been a big help, as usual.
Message: Posted by: Joe M. Turner (Apr 11, 2002 03:25PM)
The IBM also has a liability insurance policy that you can join.

The decision to join one or the other cannot be made based solely on the national/international features or benefits. The real joy in belonging to a magic club comes in the actual interaction with people in the local organization. If you only have one option, then you take it.

If you have both, check them both out. In Atlanta, the SAM is much smaller than the IBM. It is more restrictive in membership, and it is also less "active" compared to the IBM group, although the two groups share many members. Each club has its own character and flavor.

I'm sure this is much the same elsewhere -- one club is more actively involved in various functions, more visible... the other is less active and more of a socializing opportunity. It all depends on what you're looking for.

I belong to both.

Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Apr 11, 2002 04:33PM)

Your answer is really great! I was unware of IBM policy, but then we never talk about IBM, it's just magic everywhere. Besides, I never asked! Thanks for the info.