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Topic: Blackjack Stack
Message: Posted by: Friedrich (Sep 12, 2010 07:25AM)
Just found an interesting link describing various Blackjack Stacks similar to the one in Fred Robinsons book, but much better:

http://books.google.de/books?id=HSxeBJpIZS8C&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=nick+trost+blackjack+stack&source=bl&ots=Em3Kr7YANO&sig=Y6cTaQJX08MZZmMh7mhgGmOAFgI&hl=de&ei=RLaLTJGeFcuOswbMp9TdAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CDMQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=nick%20trost%20blackjack%20stack&f=false

It's an excerpt of a book called "Tribute To A Mathemagician".
You might have to scroll up or down a bit. The article is written by Harold Cataquet and starts on page 101.
Have fun!
Message: Posted by: Friedrich (Sep 12, 2010 10:46AM)
Maybe I should mention what those stacks do:
A spectator can cut them freely anywhere, nevertheless he loses when playing against You as the house. You can actually deal the whole deck through without him winning once. That is theoretically there is a possibility, that he wins one or two times, but Cataquet shows that with some audience management those are avoidable with his stacks.
He describes stacks according to the european rules (as Robinsons) as well as for the american ones.
Message: Posted by: edh (Sep 12, 2010 05:37PM)
Are the stacks in this article? If so I could not find them.
Message: Posted by: Friedrich (Sep 12, 2010 05:49PM)
You'll have to scroll to page 101, the stacks are in the article...
They're written in short form, as it's always a sequence of 13 cards repeated 4 times. Maybe that's the reason why You didn't find them.
Message: Posted by: mrehula (Sep 13, 2010 01:57PM)
A fun find!
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Sep 13, 2010 02:13PM)
Here's a link directly to the page with the stack:

http://books.google.com/books?id=HSxeBJpIZS8C&lpg=PP1&pg=PA102#v=twopage&q&f=false
Message: Posted by: Friedrich (Sep 13, 2010 04:26PM)
I'm impressed that You were able to get a link to a specific page (i have no idea how...), but You've got the wrong one.
The stack on Your page is the cooper stack, which was published before (in Nick Trosts Gambling tricks with cards for example...), and as Harold Cataquet writes it's much inferior to the ones which follow...
So take a look at his new stacks at page 103 and 104 and read why they're much better.
Message: Posted by: Wizzard (Sep 16, 2010 03:13PM)
I had a chance to play with these last night and had a blast! This is a much simpler way to do a Black Jack Demo. I going to re-introduce this into my act.
I used a Black Jack bit with a lot of SOH and it did not get the reaction I was looking for. The "Best Stack" when pattered correctly gives a much better impact. Especially when I used the 'Player Sees' bit. My test spectators really got into it! Thank you paulmorgan for the find.
SgtNewlon
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Message: Posted by: Friedrich (Sep 17, 2010 03:31AM)
Great to hear that someone else enjoys those stacks too.
I'm using the first of the European stacks (i'm living in Germany) although the American one performs a little better. But I discovered that I can preserve the stack by collecting the used cards in the following way:

I deal all cards face up overlapping to the left. Then I scoop up my hand with my bottom card and drop those on the spectators hand, but I don't let go of the bottom one. I apparently scoop up both hands together with it, but actually insert the card between the bottom two of the combined hands. On a mat this looks pretty much the same. I then start with those cards a face up discard pile and drop each sequent hand (after scooping it up as described...) on top. By reuniting both packets anytime I have again the complete stack.

So I can have one spectator cut and deal a few hands for him, reunite the pack, (false-)shuffle, let another one cut, deal a few hands for him and repeat that, as long as I whish.

Afterwards I still have the stack, which brought me to the idea of using it for other purposes:

It can be made tetradistic by using the same picture cards in each 13 card chain.
Still looks random enough and You can do 2 faros to have all values together and go into cutting the high card and matching the cards from the Vernon Chronicles.

By having a suit rotation too, You can have something like the Eight-Kings-stack.
You can then for instance go into Up The Ante (and many other cyclical deck effects...) with it. The downside is that the red black alternation is pretty obvious, so I wouldn't deal so many hands with it (though the European dealing style helps to conceal this a bit...).

Mates effects (with mates 26 cards apart) are possible too.

If You like Trost's High Card Poker or any trick where only the order of the picture cards matters, it can be inegrated easily...

My favorite though (because thematically linked) is Trost's Horse Race.
The first version is very easy to combine with the BJ stack. But I like the Gilbreath method more. Until now I didn't find out how to stack it (it's tricky) but I haven't given up yet...

The plan is to give several people money of my own, then win it back. First by the BJ stack, then the horse race...

Puh hah longest post I've ever written, but I'm really excited about this and would like the ideas and opinions of You and other users.

Greetings from Germany

Friedrich