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Topic: Michael Grimm on AGT
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Sep 15, 2010 08:49AM)
http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/video/the-finals-michael-grimm/1249084/

WOW!!!

This is such a tough song to do well...
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 17, 2010 03:48AM)
He's very talented. Do you think he'll win?
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Sep 17, 2010 04:57AM)
He DID win...
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 17, 2010 07:26AM)
I was almost certain the girl was gonna win. I am much happier that Grimm won though. That kid freaks me out. She has phenomenal talent, but not one genuine emotion at all. Little sociopath.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Sep 17, 2010 12:48PM)
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On 2010-09-17 08:26, gdw wrote:
I was almost certain the girl was gonna win. I am much happier that Grimm won though. That kid freaks me out. She has phenomenal talent, but not one genuine emotion at all. Little sociopath.
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What a stupid thing to say.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Sep 17, 2010 12:59PM)
They we're both great!

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 17, 2010 02:26PM)
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On 2010-09-17 13:48, Michael Baker wrote:
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On 2010-09-17 08:26, gdw wrote:
I was almost certain the girl was gonna win. I am much happier that Grimm won though. That kid freaks me out. She has phenomenal talent, but not one genuine emotion at all. Little psychopath.
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What a stupid thing to say.
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I'm sorry, I couldn't find an appropriate smilie to tag that with. However, I genuinely think she is acting how she thinks she is supposed to act. Merely imitating others. I would not be surprised if she is incapable of empathy.

She didn't show any change in emotion when she lost. There are those who can be genuinely happy for their competitor, and be a good sport about it, but they will still show some sign of a change in emotion at a moment like that.
Message: Posted by: Douglas Lippert (Sep 17, 2010 05:33PM)
I think the host was jealous of her talent or something as he kept saying "she always knows what to say!"

A little girl singing opera doesn't convey Las Vegas showroom though. I couldn't picture the target market.

That Grimm guy is hilarious. He wins $1,000,000 (well over 40 years) and what's the first thing he does? He gets married..
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Sep 17, 2010 07:45PM)
They were both great. I couldn't disagree more, Jackie was a great little kid. I guess you didn't see her jumping up and down when she had a good performance.
I'm glad Michael won as he will help his grandparents (hopefully). Jackie will go on and have a great career.
Message: Posted by: Micheal Leath (Sep 17, 2010 09:20PM)
So, will someone who doesn't sing ever "win?" I put quotes around win, because it seems to becoming more and more obvious how rigged it is. I guess it's easier for them to make money off of a singer. Though before the first season they said that they wanted to find the next Siegfried and Roy.

On one episode this season, there was some type of trapeze act. After their performance, Piers Morgan said something about them being magicians. What he said sounded almost just like what he said to a magician that performed a couple of acts before. It seemed like it was scripted, that he slipped up, and forgot who he was actually talking to. I could be reading too much into what happened though.
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Sep 17, 2010 10:43PM)
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On 2010-09-17 22:20, Micheal Leath wrote:
So, will someone who doesn't sing ever "win?" I put quotes around win, because it seems to becoming more and more obvious how rigged it is. I guess it's easier for them to make money off of a singer. Though before the first season they said that they wanted to find the next Siegfried and Roy.

On one episode this season, there was some type of trapeze act. After their performance, Piers Morgan said something about them being magicians. What he said sounded almost just like what he said to a magician that performed a couple of acts before. It seemed like it was scripted, that he slipped up, and forgot who he was actually talking to. I could be reading too much into what happened though.
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a couple years ago a ventriloquist by the name Terry Fator.
Message: Posted by: Micheal Leath (Sep 17, 2010 11:01PM)
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On 2010-09-17 23:43, thehawk wrote:
a couple years ago a ventriloquist by the name Terry Fator.
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Yes, he is a singing ventriloquist.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 18, 2010 06:26AM)
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On 2010-09-17 20:45, thehawk wrote:
They were both great. I couldn't disagree more, Jackie was a great little kid. I guess you didn't see her jumping up and down when she had a good performance.
I'm glad Michael won as he will help his grandparents (hopefully). Jackie will go on and have a great career.
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I did see that, and she seems no more genuine there than any other time on stage.
Message: Posted by: Josh the Superfluous (Sep 18, 2010 09:18AM)
Singers will always have the advantage. There is an infinite pool of material, and no stigma in performing the work of others. Having a magic act qualify, and then top each performance 3 times, seems pretty unlikely.

I thought the talent this year was great. The black art act was incredible. And the guy on the bicycle was very impressive. Particularly how he performed after being injured.

They should do next year without singers.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 18, 2010 11:46AM)
At least a limit on singers.

It's ironic that, in one of the earlier seasons, one of the judges commented about how they did not want to focus on singers as they don't need another American Idol
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 18, 2010 12:25PM)
I don't remember that comment, I do, however, remember Piers making a comment, during the first or second season, about them "Looking for the next Frank Sinatra." The winner every season has been a singer, with Terry Fator being somewhat of an exception. Where are any of the winners from previous seasons now, again, apart from Terry Fator?

It's funny...Recycled Percussion didn't win, though they now have their own Vegas show, there was another semi-finalist from a few years back that are in their own Vegas show as well. The show is great exposure, that's clear. I guess if you want a Vegas show...don't win.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 18, 2010 12:29PM)
I think whatever wins will have the majority of tryouts the next year. Get some homely old broad who can sing, homely people line up who can sing. They need a show called "Side Show" or something and get jugglers and the real variety acts out there. Get Aye Jaye, Todd Robbins, and Snake Babe to be judges.

I think the problem with AGT is not only does it attract freaks and mental cases but the judges actually let the occassional one through to the real comp (final 40 or whatever it is). The show isn't valid entertainment in my opinion. I only watched to see the magic acts and any hot singer girls (over 18...I'm still distrubed by the guy who thought when I said 'hot girl' thought I meant a ten year old...sicky). Other than that I had zero interest in them or their bs stories.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 18, 2010 12:45PM)
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On 2010-09-18 13:25, Josh Chaikin wrote:
I don't remember that comment, I do, however, remember Piers making a comment, during the first or second season, about them "Looking for the next Frank Sinatra." The winner every season has been a singer, with Terry Fator being somewhat of an exception. Where are any of the winners from previous seasons now, again, apart from Terry Fator?

It's funny...Recycled Percussion didn't win, though they now have their own Vegas show, there was another semi-finalist from a few years back that are in their own Vegas show as well. The show is great exposure, that's clear. I guess if you want a Vegas show...don't win.
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Absolutely. I was happy to see Recycled Percussion and hear they had a show now. They absolutely deserve it. Last I looked into them one member was in some legal trouble.

Fighting Gravity will probably end up with their own show too. At least Grimm could draw a crowd in Vegas, where as an opera singing socio- I mean ten year old wouldn't have a big showing, talented as she is.

I'm surprised I haven't heard more from Kevin Skinner from last year.

As for winners in general, it's just like American Idol, look at Clay Aikin, how many really remember Ruban? Runner ups often do better than the winners
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 18, 2010 12:49PM)
Last I heard, Reuben was touring in Ain't Misbehavin'. It was in town a few years back with him, got a fair amount of press. I hope to see more from Prince Poppycock, he's highly entertaining, whether you're a fan of opera or not. As for Jackie Evancho, she'll find success in some fashion, I'm sure, but she should enjoy spending time as a kid.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 18, 2010 01:05PM)
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On 2010-09-18 13:49, Josh Chaikin wrote:
Last I heard, Reuben was touring in Ain't Misbehavin'. It was in town a few years back with him, got a fair amount of press. I hope to see more from Prince Poppycock, he's highly entertaining, whether you're a fan of opera or not. As for Jackie Evancho, she'll find success in some fashion, I'm sure, but she should enjoy spending time as a kid.
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100% agree. Not a fan of opera, but I would pay for Poppycock. I am not sure if that reads more, or less dirty than it should.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Sep 18, 2010 04:04PM)
Singers or not, it seems the goal is to find the one act that the producers feel is the most marketable for the planned venues. This doesn't equate necessarily to the most talented, regardless of the show's name.

There may be a lot to gossip about regarding who gets voted off, etc., but personally, I like to watch the show, because I like to watch variety entertainment. If the acts choose to enter a contest, they essentially commit to being judged. Fairness may or may not be part of it, and judges are what they are.

Poppycock was/is extremely talented and has tremendous artistic vision. I think he could put together a very impressive show. I'd expect he has performance talents that go beyond opera, even if that was his focus. I was however, a bit disappointed and embarrassed by his less than gracious exit when he was voted off.

Ruben Studdard is still high profile around here, but that's because he is from here. I'm sure his career was helped by American Idol, but he did end up living in the shadow of Clay Aiken. Telephone votes are not a good indicator of who gets the gigs and the contracts.

I think Ruben's mom considers herself to be as much a star as her son. She went from 2nd grade school teacher at my son's school, to driving a really big expensive car that still has a "IDOL MOM" car tag (license plate for non-southerners).

Fighting Gravity has a super concept. I think they are just beginning to explore the variety possible with their characters. They have put the players into a number of different playlets, but they have yet to evolve the characters. Think Blue Man Group and how even virtually identical characters by appearance have such differing and recognizable personalities.

Jackie Evancho is a precious little child with an amazing talent. I hope she is able to retain enough normalcy in her childhood. Her brother may very well be that constant she needs. (Never trusts moms and dads not to be bucking for their own reality show. Ha!) Jackie is so incredibly rehearsed, that even her little speeches came across as canned. Same thing happens in beauty pageants, which are very popular with children... probably more than they should be. But she broke character many times, and showed some honest 10 year old reactions. She seems to be a very normal little girl, although she can turn it on for the camera and the microphone.

Not sure if anyone else caught it, but her duet partner, Sarah Brightman subtly hinted at a bit of caution. I was not sure if this alluded to the future fame, or was a bit of a warning about preserving her voice. It did seem to indicate that some people are really looking out for her best interests. She may not be ready to handle a full show herself at this time, and I'm sure there will be enough excitement in her life from the "best of AGT" tour.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 18, 2010 04:16PM)
I'm friends with one of Clay Aikens confidants and she would provide updates on his career and how his mother and she wanted to smack him for being an odd guy (she was friends with his mom and he kind of likes talking to her). Let me tell you, while he wasn't a superstar he, Clay, was making a lot more money and playing bigger shows that Ruben ever did.

That being said my friends sister who was number five in her year likely sold as many albums as I did and I never put out an album! I think who ever is your agent has a lot to do with your success.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Sep 18, 2010 04:31PM)
Prince Poppycock had every reason to be upset.

Peirs didn't buzz him because he was performing badly, The Prince was singing very well and just approaching the end of the song that every male Opera singer dreams of singing in front of an audience and every Opera fan (and others) look forward to hearing, and then just to be perverse, and because Poppycock didn't do just what Peirs wanted him to do (or more likely to sabotage the Prince who was doing very well) Piers buzzes him.

I regret not being allowed to see the performance in total. I was totally into the performance and totally angry and frustrated to see it marred in such a mean spirited way. Prince Poppycock never said he was a clown. I think he is an Art Person with a flamboyant sense of whimsey.

It's lucky for us that our funniest Magicians are not admonished (generally) for their Magical skill nor disallowed from being artistic, if they so choose.

I look forward to Prince Poppycock's Show, which I'm sure will come to pass.

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 18, 2010 05:27PM)
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On 2010-09-18 17:31, Mary Mowder wrote:
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It's lucky for us that our funniest Magicians are not admonished (generally) for their Magical skill nor disallowed from being artistic, if they so choose.

I look forward to Prince Poppycock's Show, which I'm sure will come to pass.

- Mary Mowder
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I guess you didn't see/hear what they did to Kevin James.

What did poppycock do when he was voted off that was "embarrassing?"
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Sep 18, 2010 06:17PM)
For the record, I think Prince Poppycock was one of the most creative and talented acts this season. I enjoyed every performance he gave.

Yes, I disagree with what Piers did to Poppycock, as I disagree with what I've seen him do with other contestants. When the contestants' fate relies on the judges' votes, the buzzer may be appropriate. When the vote is given to the people, the buzzer is an unfair swaying mechanism. Piers is basically an elitist horse's ass.

That being said, it was not a smart move on Poppycock's part to adopt the defensive stance that he did, at the point he was voted off the show. Anything he said immediately after his buzzed performance was totally legitimate. That was his time. When the final four were being voted on or off, he should have by then exhibited a more dignified manner. Instead, he chose to go head to head with the "bad" judge, and he set himself up to be bitten. Piers did just that. It was an awkward moment that further made Piers looks like and ass, but also made Poppycock look like a sore loser.

To Santa... There is no doubt that Clay eclipsed Ruben. Clay was definitely more commercial, and that's not a bad thing. It allows him to sell to a wider range of listeners, and the pop music market is definitely where a lot of the money is. Ruben has his market, albeit smaller and more defined.

Correct on the agent comment. I can see many of the acts that voted out well before the end, developing healthy careers, and I'm sure others finishing near the top fizzling out in time.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Sep 18, 2010 08:46PM)
Dear GDW,

Oh yea, Kevin James. Good reminder that the judges can be idiots.

Basically, I guess I have a problem with the whole buzzer thing. It's very rude and the last thing our society or children should think is OK. If the act is bad, then they shouldn't put them on. Otherwise they should give the act the full 90 seconds (not too much to ask) and then make their remarks and let the people vote.

"You may say I'm a dreamer but I'm not the only one."

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 19, 2010 12:20AM)
I don't feel that Prince Poppycock was out of line. When Nick asked how he felt, he commented that Peirs "Looks like he's been sucking a lemon." He called him a sourpuss in Poppycock fashion, Howie and Sharon agreed, as did most of the live crowd that night. I think his performance that night cost him more votes than his reaction.

Though Peirs was wrong in buzzing, his analysis of the performance was dead on. Poppycock is at his best when he's over-the-top, flamboyant and campy. Certainly the costumes were grandiose, but the rest looked like something I'd see on PBS when they broadcast opera from the Met - and that's not what we've come to see from him. Still, he didn't deserve to be buzzed, or 4th.
Message: Posted by: Mary Mowder (Sep 19, 2010 03:44AM)
I think the statement that Michael Baker had a problem with was the Horses a** comment at the very end after Poppycock had been placed 4th. Not the best thing to have said then and not said very clearly either. I wish he hadn't said it but I certainly understand his feelings.

- Mary Mowder
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Sep 19, 2010 10:01AM)
I had Poppycock fourth and fighting gravity third with the winner been a toss up.
I'm glad for Michael Grimm.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 19, 2010 06:10PM)
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On 2010-09-19 11:01, thehawk wrote:
I had Poppycock fourth and fighting gravity third with the winner been a toss up.
I'm glad for Michael Grimm.
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More or less what I thought, though I wouldn't have been surprised if Fighting Gravity was in the top two either.

I would have, however, bet the farm on the girl winning. I was very pleasantly surprised when Grimm one.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Sep 19, 2010 06:25PM)
Michael sounds exactly like Bill Medley of the richous brothers did when he did that song 45 years ago.
Message: Posted by: thehawk (Sep 19, 2010 08:15PM)
Both Michael and Jackie nailed their songs the night of the vote.They could both go on and do well.
Message: Posted by: mstgracy (Sep 19, 2010 08:27PM)
I agree but a little girl stuck in Vegas? It seemed like a sad childhood to me no amount of money is worth it.