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Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Sep 17, 2010 06:57PM)
Don'tgeta computervirus.

I wasted almost two days this week cleaning some virus off my computer. I don't even know how I got it.

What a pain in the neck!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 17, 2010 07:02PM)
They are using new methods now too, sending files that anti virus doesn't locate.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Sep 17, 2010 07:07PM)
[quote]On 2010-09-17 20:02, MagicSanta wrote:
They are using new methods now too, sending files that anti virus doesn't locate.[/quote]
I suspect that that's what happened in my case.

For the record, I ran Combofix, then Malwarebytes, then Avast. Combofix got rid of the worst of it (it had corrupeted Internet Explorer and was continually popping up (fake) windows that said I had a virus and did I want to run my (fake) security software?), Malwarebytes found ten other files that were corrupted, and Avast found nothing. (Avast was just a final check, in essence.)

All three have free versions, by the way. According to my computer geek friend and business partner, there's a special place in heaven for the author of Combofix.
Message: Posted by: balducci (Sep 17, 2010 07:09PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-17 20:07, S2000magician wrote:

[quote]On 2010-09-17 20:02, MagicSanta wrote:
They are using new methods now too, sending files that anti virus doesn't locate.[/quote]
I suspect that that's what happened in my case.
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Nah. It was probably the pr0n sites.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Sep 17, 2010 07:13PM)
Get a Mac. I was very much a PC guy, but used a Mac for work. There's still a lot I like about PC, but it's mainly a familiarity with being able to navigate behind the scenes.

Mac is far more user friendly.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 17, 2010 09:23PM)
What is a virus?
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Sep 17, 2010 10:10PM)
[quote]On 2010-09-17 20:13, gdw wrote:
Get a Mac.[/quote]
Alas, there's a lot of software I use for work - risk analysis, portfolio analysis, bond market simulation, and so on - that doesn't run on a Mac.

At least, not yet.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 17, 2010 10:13PM)
I found the PCs today as easy to work with as Macs. When I was a tech the two times a Mac did get a virus I was unable to help them mostly because what works for a PC doesn't for a Mac. There are just far fewer virus' designed to go after the Mac.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 17, 2010 10:15PM)
Why would someone design a virus?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 17, 2010 10:17PM)
Because people suck. Are you seriously asking what a virus is or are you waiting to say "I have a Mac..."? Macs can and do get virus' but they are just not attractive targets due to numbers.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Sep 17, 2010 10:21PM)
[quote]On 2010-09-17 23:15, magicfish wrote:
Why would someone design a virus?[/quote]
I don't know for certain, but I suspect that it's similar to the motivation to vandalize property.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 17, 2010 10:31PM)
I'm being serious, I don't really know what a virus is but I know it screws up your computer. I just can't understand why anyone would have nothing better to do in life than to inconvenience complete strangers by slowing down their electronic device.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Sep 17, 2010 10:33PM)
I mean , to me its the lamest thing I've ever heard of. Instead of cow tipping or playing nickey nickey nine doors, you try and frazzle peoples computers? These must be the biggest losers on the planet!
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 17, 2010 11:03PM)
A virus is a catch all for programs written to spread from computer to computer via different methods or to spy on your computer usage. They can range from just sitting there once infected to slowing down or stopping your computer even making so it won't function again. You an have them emailed to you, in false ads or sites, as files, etc.. People intentionally write them because they get a kick out of beating the system and they are usually punished by being hired and paid by the companies that you pay to protect your computer. Anti viruses are actually viruses in a sense.

So if you get a pop up saying you have a virus and to click on the pop up to scan and get rid of it you are almost certain to be loading a virus which often will trigger other viruses who will offer to remove the virus for pay and if you pay then it will load another virus which they will offer to remove if you pay them more....you get the picture.

When they start putting virus designers on bridges in New Orleans and shooting them that is when, hopefully, they will find something else destructive to do.
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Sep 17, 2010 11:04PM)
* please do take the trouble to stay alert to hacks and exploits on your PC's operating system. One guy discovered a way to do bad things via DNS - and spent the next few months working with the larger community to find a way to patch the hole he found. That is closer to the spirit of hacking than just causing harm and frustration to typical users.

Unfortunately most internet users these days don't have backups, know how to restore/rebuild their system or care to learn how system exploits work so they can be better prepared for when exposed to something that is actually malicious - same as we arm our audiences against those who would be false prophets.

I put those who leave unsupervised children on the internet as lower than dumb-a$$ tech pranksters. We don't give young children the keys to the car and ask them to drive on our highways alone and unsupervised - so why do we let folks who don't know how their car works and the rules of the road onto the internet unsupervised?
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Sep 18, 2010 05:42AM)
My last computer purchase was a Mac and, so far, I am not impressed. Everything is just opposite from what I am used to, the keyboard is a joke, it is missing a lot of really useful keys such as a true "Delete", "Home", "PgUp", "PgDn", etc. (no, I don't mean <Command> <Something>). Parallels is a program that lets you run Windows software, but <Delete> doesn't work under Parallels (strange). When you close a program, the program is not really closed (that's just WEIRD). E-mail doesn't work. There is no really good database program to compare to Microsoft Access. Printer drivers do not support all printer features. Blah, blah, blah.

I do like the ease of software installation and removal and the pretty wallpaper...

Nearly all the sales people at the Apple store use PCs. That should tell you something...
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 18, 2010 11:28AM)
I found the paths in Mac to be no better and often less intuitive than found in the new PC op.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 18, 2010 11:30AM)
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On 2010-09-18 06:42, ClintonMagus wrote:
Nearly all the sales people at the Apple store use PCs. That should tell you something...
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It's funny...I was having a discussion with a group of people about PC vs Mac, one of the hardcore Mac guys even went so far as to say that Macs were so great that they even let him use such-and-such PC items that aren't available for Macs, to which I replied "So, what you're saying is that in order to enhance your Mac experience, you use Windows peripherals?" He pretty much had to concede defeat at that point. I've played with Macs, but it's just a very awkward interface for me.

True, more viruses are written for PCs than Macs, because there is a larger market for PCs out there, but Mac viruses are becoming more and more prevalent. If everybody in the world switched over to Macs tomorrow, I can guarantee you there would be boot sector viruses, trojans and the rest, for Macs, very quickly.
Message: Posted by: kcg5 (Sep 18, 2010 11:55AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-17 23:33, magicfish wrote:
I mean , to me its the lamest thing I've ever heard of. Instead of cow tipping or playing nickey nickey nine doors, you try and frazzle peoples computers? These must be the biggest losers on the planet!
[/quote]

Nicky Nicky nine doors??? What is this????
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 18, 2010 12:11PM)
According to the fount of knowledge, Wikipedia:

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Knock, Knock, Ginger is a game or prank played by children in many cultures. It involves knocking on the front door (or ringing the doorbell) of a victim, then running away before the door can be answered. The game has been played since the 19th century.

Victims of this prank are not likely to call the police, but if they decide to, the "doorbell ditcher" can face charges of trespassing and Disturbing the Peace, though in the United Kingdom trespass is a civil matter and not a criminal matter so the police will not compile a case for a victim.

It is also known as Nikki Nikki Nine Doors (in Canada), Ding-Dong Ditch or Doorbell Ditch (in the United States and Canada), Thunder and Lightning (in Northern Ireland), Chappy (in Scotland), Knick-Nacking (in the Republic of Ireland), Bobby Knock or "Rat A Tat Ginger" (in Wales), Ding Dong Dash (in Australia), or Pinpon Dash (in Japan), sometimes referred to as "Knick-Knocking". It's called "Bell-Fast" in Northern Ireland, a parody of the capital Belfast.
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Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Sep 18, 2010 12:12PM)
Easiest way to avoid virus' is to not let kids near the computer.

Worse virus I ever got that actually shut down my system was when I looked up the manual for a new DVD player on line. I went to the site that said it was for the manual, hit download, and there came the virus.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 18, 2010 12:21PM)
I picked up a virus that completely destroyed my registry and removed all boot files, which was a major pain in the ass...thankfully I had made a clone of the drive a week earlier and was able to get back up fairly quickly.
Message: Posted by: acesover (Sep 18, 2010 11:07PM)
Can one get around a virus by using "System Restore"? Just pick a date before the virus hit your computer. Or won't that work?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Sep 18, 2010 11:11PM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-17 23:10, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On 2010-09-17 20:13, gdw wrote:
Get a Mac.[/quote]
Alas, there's a lot of software I use for work - risk analysis, portfolio analysis, bond market simulation, and so on - that doesn't run on a Mac.

At least, not yet.
[/quote]

I gotta say this always amazes me. I watched the movie Independence Day and they managed to link from a wireless network of some sort to a darn ALIEN COMPUTER and a Mac can't talk to a PC for God sake. Oh well.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Sep 19, 2010 12:13AM)
[quote]
On 2010-09-19 00:07, acesover wrote:
Can one get around a virus by using "System Restore"? Just pick a date before the virus hit your computer. Or won't that work?
[/quote]

Theoretically. But that's a bit extreme. If you have a particularly nasty virus, that might be the best choice...like with a boot sector virus (hope you never get one). Using a quality scanner like Norton/Symantec, with weekly (or daily) virus definition updates and weekly (or daily) scans will do you better.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Sep 19, 2010 12:53AM)
[quote]On 2010-09-19 00:11, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On 2010-09-17 23:10, S2000magician wrote:
[quote]On 2010-09-17 20:13, gdw wrote:
Get a Mac.[/quote]
Alas, there's a lot of software I use for work - risk analysis, portfolio analysis, bond market simulation, and so on - that doesn't run on a Mac.

At least, not yet.[/quote]

I gotta say this always amazes me. I watched the movie Independence Day and they managed to link from a wireless network of some sort to a darn ALIEN COMPUTER and a Mac can't talk to a PC for God sake. Oh well.[/quote]
I agree: it amazes me, too.

Still, that's the way it is.