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Topic: What is this optical illusion toy called and where can I get one?
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Oct 7, 2010 01:19AM)
I'm pretty good at searching for things on the internet but haven't had any luck with this because I don't know the name of it.

It's a small round toy that has a sword in the center (Like the hand of a watch). You also have a small key that can be inserted into the toy so that it seems to block the sword.

When you pull the lever on the side of the toy the sword visibly passes through the key!

The one I used to have had a bullfighter theme and the key had a bulls head on it.

Any one know what this is called? Better yet can you privide a link to purchase?
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Dec 12, 2010 06:46PM)
I think you mean the toy called "el torero" at
http://byemylife.com/id19.html
Would you believe that one is advertised at
http://www.vendio.com/stores/foliniandsons/item/antique-vintage-magic/el-torero-decapitation-illusio/lid=3016715
for the going price of $85.00?????
I've got to think that you could find one at a flea market somewhere. We used to sell this item in Earl Edwards' Magic Shop in Norfolk. It was probably a staple in novelty stores all over.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jan 8, 2011 01:08AM)
Yep, That's it. Thanks for the info. Surely someone must make this currently?
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Feb 1, 2012 09:43PM)
You mean this one?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzJ8jSEt5ec
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jun 26, 2012 12:12AM)
Yep, that's it exactly. I'd love a source.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jun 11, 2014 12:13AM)
Hey. Two years later and I just found this toy in my local magic shop. It's now called "The Magic Sword" and cost $6.00. I eagerly opened the package and tried it out and the illusion is fantastic.

The salesman pointed out to me that they had gotten rid of the bull graphic but you could still tell that the key was in the shape of a bulls head if you look close.

Just googled it and found it at Penguin and Fun Inc. Here is the penguin link:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16228
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Jun 21, 2014 07:52PM)
PETA must have been behind the change in the toy.

----- Sonny
Message: Posted by: Julie (Jun 21, 2014 10:06PM)
This neat little toy magic trick has been manufactured in a couple (or more!) different formats over the years including a risqué "adult(?)" version.

Blushing Julie :)
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Jun 23, 2014 08:05PM)
I've shown it to several people and NONe of them guessed correctly how it worked. In fact, when I told them how it worked they didn't believe me.
Message: Posted by: Julie (Jun 25, 2014 08:11PM)
There's what must be a remake being offered by a couple of different sellers on e-bay currently. (not "el torero" picture, though)

Julie
Message: Posted by: Rick11 (Jun 26, 2014 12:24PM)
[quote]On Jun 23, 2014, MeetMagicMike wrote:
I've shown it to several people and NONe of them guessed correctly how it worked. In fact, when I told them how it worked they didn't believe me. [/quote]

After reading about it here I purchased one on E-bay. Its really easy to see why no one believed when you told them how it worked. This illusion is perfect! To be able to hand it over to a spectator and they can do it and still can't figure it out is unreal. All for only $2.99 plus shipping!
Message: Posted by: Julie (Jun 26, 2014 02:47PM)
I remember a version with a small magic wand impaled through the middle by the sharp side of a large safety pin.
Same effect and same basic "secret", but a little tougher on your appendage.
(Wand appears to penetrate the other arm of the pin.)

Julie
Message: Posted by: Rick11 (Jun 27, 2014 07:03AM)
Too bad that this trick isn't made in a better heavy duty quality. It really should because it's a perfect illusion.

Rick
Message: Posted by: maousus (Jun 27, 2014 11:39PM)
What a wonderful vintage little trick effect, thanks for sharing this with us.
Message: Posted by: robvh (Jun 28, 2014 12:10AM)
I saw one of these within the last few months at The Vanishing Rabbit in Calgary. I believe the design was different though. I'm sure if you were to email or call Brent Smith, the owner, he would be happy to help. Tell him I said hello!
Message: Posted by: Rick11 (Jul 9, 2014 05:27AM)
I just purchased this 1984 Buckaroo Banzai Rocket Jet Car magic illusion on E-bay. http://i.imgur.com/iactznP.jpg
They have more of them and you can make a best offer! The race car goes through the mountain.

Rick
Message: Posted by: WilburrUK (Jul 18, 2014 05:05PM)
I remember doing a similar effect with a safety pin and a match-stick about 35 years ago, the illusion is pretty *** convincing.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Dec 11, 2014 07:52PM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, WilburrUK wrote:
I remember doing a similar effect with a safety pin and a match-stick about 35 years ago, the illusion is pretty *** convincing. [/quote]

I did the same thing. It is a thing of beauty.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Dec 12, 2014 07:07AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2014, WilburrUK wrote:
I remember doing a similar effect with a safety pin and a match-stick about 35 years ago, the illusion is pretty *** convincing. [/quote]

,,,And, it was just a match stick and a pin! If I remember, it was in a lot of magic sets.
Message: Posted by: John Long (Sep 14, 2015 03:46PM)
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, Julie wrote:
I remember a version with a small magic wand impaled through the middle by the sharp side of a large safety pin.
Same effect and same basic "secret", but a little tougher on your appendage.
(Wand appears to penetrate the other arm of the pin.)

Julie [/quote]

When I first saw this in a book (Tarr's 101 Easy to Do Magic Tricks, even Tarbell V3), I just passed over it - just a kid's trick.
When I saw this version demonstrated, wow! It looks very good, and made one up. I think using a safety pin and a wood match(or mini wand) takes this from a kid's toy to a nice impromptu effect.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 19, 2015 11:11AM)
I did a 5 minute segment on illusion in my school show. The SENIOR High School students really enjoyed and appreciated it.

I used the boomerang sticks, the "What's Next" (Tenyo prop), the silk penetration through mike stand, and a TACTILE illusion (subjective! They had to DO it to "get it"!)

I wrote up the routine in my book. It played well for elementary youngsters, too. (I didn't do the tactile bit for young ones.)
Message: Posted by: VMids (Nov 18, 2015 08:10AM)
It's like the toothpick trick, not?
Message: Posted by: John Long (Nov 28, 2015 09:14PM)
Once, after doing this trick, I let a friend try it, and she got it to work. At the time I thought I spoiled the trick by letting her duplicate the effect.

Much later, I let another friend try it. She actually did it better than I, and she was amazed. For her, she was doing the impossible, and didn't know why it worked. An additional "piece of strange" was found by the magic not only happening in the spectators hands, but totally controlled by the spectator as well.

John
Message: Posted by: MagicalAlex (Feb 4, 2016 02:49PM)
Just saw this its insane!
Message: Posted by: John Long (Feb 6, 2016 10:33PM)
Ok, you've raised my curiosity; Dick what is this book that you've been mentioning?

John
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Feb 20, 2016 02:30PM)
Dick is referring to his book _Dick Oslund: The Road Scholar--Everything I Own Has a Handle or Wheels_, available from various magic dealers:
http://dennymagic.com/store/everything-i-own-has-a-handle-or-wheels-by-dick-oslund.html
or
http://www.magicinc.net/theroadscholarbydickoslund-book.aspx

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: John Long (Feb 21, 2016 09:37PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Mar 16, 2016 06:09AM)
I was "surfing" this AM, and dropped in here!

Thanks Sonny for the "commercial"!

I'll PM you, John!
Message: Posted by: waldorf (Mar 28, 2016 01:36AM)
Try a safety pin and a section of drinking straw. Great give-away item.
Message: Posted by: mcharisse (Mar 29, 2016 06:49AM)
Had one of these when I was a boy, and my very clever father figured it out right away. When I didn't believe him he proved it by pushing a pin into the plastic to stop the sword in its tracks. I'll never forget that.
Message: Posted by: DaleTrueman (Jun 29, 2016 02:34AM)
[quote]On Sep 14, 2015, John Long wrote:
[quote]On Jun 26, 2014, Julie wrote:
I remember a version with a small magic wand impaled through the middle by the sharp side of a large safety pin.
Same effect and same basic "secret", but a little tougher on your appendage.
(Wand appears to penetrate the other arm of the pin.)

Julie [/quote]

When I first saw this in a book (Tarr's 101 Easy to Do Magic Tricks, even Tarbell V3), I just passed over it - just a kid's trick.
When I saw this version demonstrated, wow! It looks very good, and made one up. I think using a safety pin and a wood match(or mini wand) takes this from a kid's toy to a nice impromptu effect. [/quote]

Funny, I was just given the safety pin and matchstick version last night by a fellow magician. He showed it to a group of us and then gave us all one. I still couldn't figure it out until I was shown. As soon as I saw the youtube video of the bullfighter I thought it must be the same principle!
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 14, 2018 07:51PM)
I love this effect - someone has to make it our of metal with a sophisticated dial. Could be made like a speedometer The hole might be for a gold swizzle stick. Now you have a don't drink and drive theme (here's the test if you had too much - does it look like the needle on the speedo is cutting through the stick? You had too much my friend because THAT is impossible! It really could be positioned this way as a "police detection item" for a great theme! Common magic manufacturers - Let’s get this one in a classy version in ur pockets!

PS - I was so blown away by the current breed of these that I took my trusty iPhone X out and filmed the snap in slow motion to PROVE what was happening - and with a X the slow mo shows it exactly as you expect to see it! Amazing! I want a metal one with a classy display! If enough of you chime in I'll talk to my buddies at Murphy's. . . .

JT
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Mar 14, 2018 08:09PM)
[quote]On Mar 14, 2018, StarManager wrote:
I love this effect - someone has to make it our of metal with a sophisticated dial. Could be made like a speedometer The hole might be for a gold swizzle stick. Now you have a don't drink and drive theme (here's the test if you had too much - does it look like the needle on the speedo is cutting through the stick? You had too much my friend because THAT is impossible! It really could be positioned this way as a "police detection item" for a great theme! Common magic manufacturers - Let’s get this one in a classy version in ur pockets!

PS - I was so blown away by the current breed of these that I took my trusty iPhone X out and filmed the snap in slow motion to PROVE what was happening - and with a X the slow mo shows it exactly as you expect to see it! Amazing! I want a metal one with a classy display! If enough of you chime in I'll talk to my buddies at Murphy's. . . .

JT [/quote]

I'm all in.

Steve
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Mar 24, 2018 10:13AM)
StarManager

I'd love a higher quality version of this illusion. One improvement I'd like to see is that the hole where you place the "SWORD" should go all the way through so that the "sword" sticks out both sides.

Once you produce all the mechanics it would be easy to offer a variety of themes. You would only have to change the printing on the face.

How about making it look like a pocket watch? You could show that you can't stop time from passing.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Mar 24, 2018 12:01PM)
When I said "Sword" I should have said "Key"
Message: Posted by: StarManager (Mar 24, 2018 02:28PM)
[quote]On Mar 24, 2018, MeetMagicMike wrote:
StarManager

I'd love a higher quality version of this illusion. One improvement I'd like to see is that the hole where you place the "SWORD" should go all the way through so that the "sword" sticks out both sides.

Once you produce all the mechanics it would be easy to offer a variety of themes. You would only have to change the printing on the face.

How about making it look like a pocket watch? You could show that you can't stop time from passing. [/quote]


The Pocket Watch is a GREAT IDEA! I think that is the best of the best - but not printed. It needs to BE a watch with real hands and a sophisticated face. All made from metal. Watches have chains and the fob has a vest button bar. the bar makes SENSE to go through the hole. In my cheap version plastic the hole does go all the way through. I love this idea. Stay tuned!
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Mar 24, 2018 02:49PM)
StarManager wrote:

[quote]The Pocket Watch is a GREAT IDEA! I think that is the best of the best - but not printed. It needs to BE a watch with real hands and a sophisticated face. All made from metal. Watches have chains and the fob has a vest button bar. the bar makes SENSE [/quote]

Glad you like the idea. Please make a note to credit Magic Mike Stillwell. :)

Love the idea of it looking like a real pocket watch. That would be a cool item. Maybe build some more magic into it like a card revelation hidden in the decorative filigree.

You could tell a story of a gambler in the old west who was caught cheating at cards. He was told he would be shot when the town clock struck high noon. He threw his knife at the clock and blocked the second hand. But the hand moved on anyway and the clock struck noon.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Mar 24, 2018 03:09PM)
[quote]On Mar 24, 2018, MeetMagicMike wrote:
StarManager wrote:

[quote]The Pocket Watch is a GREAT IDEA! I think that is the best of the best - but not printed. It needs to BE a watch with real hands and a sophisticated face. All made from metal. Watches have chains and the fob has a vest button bar. the bar makes SENSE [/quote]

Glad you like the idea. Please make a note to credit Magic Mike Stillwell. :)

Love the idea of it looking like a real pocket watch. That would be a cool item. Maybe build some more magic into it like a card revelation hidden in the decorative filigree.

You could tell a story of a gambler in the old west who was caught cheating at cards. He was told he would be shot when the town clock struck high noon. He threw his knife at the clock and blocked the second hand. But the hand moved on anyway and the clock struck noon. [/quote]

Now if we can find a manufacturer to take on the project.

Steve
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Jun 22, 2018 11:33PM)
In the meantime, Meir Yedid started making a "Pro Case" black shell for the toy version of this. It's supposed to make it look more professional:

https://www.mymagic.com/p/close-up-magic/sword-illusion-procase
Message: Posted by: art85y (Jul 9, 2018 02:46PM)
Just ordered one of these little bad boys for £3.60 looking forward to getting my hands on it.
Many thanks to the original OP, MeetMagicMike, for bringing this to my attention.

It would be cool to have an identical (but ungimmicked) one to hand to the wise guy who asks "can I have a go"
Art
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Jul 24, 2018 09:01PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2018, art85y wrote:
Just ordered one of these little bad boys for £3.60 looking forward to getting my hands on it.
Many thanks to the original OP, MeetMagicMike, for bringing this to my attention.

It would be cool to have an identical (but ungimmicked) one to hand to the wise guy who asks "can I have a go"
Art [/quote]


They said the specs can not figure it out after handing it out. 👍😀 db
Message: Posted by: Dollarbill (Aug 3, 2018 07:35PM)
Oh and $40 bucks for the mentioned "pro case" for the $4 dollar illusion is absolutely a rip off. That kind of price RAPING really gets me wound up. Just greed. boom! $.02 db
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Aug 17, 2018 05:21PM)
Dollarbill

[quote]Oh and $40 bucks for the mentioned "pro case" for the $4 dollar illusion is absolutely a rip off. That kind of price RAPING really gets me wound up. Just greed. boom! $.02 db[/quote]

He can charge whatever he wants and you are then free to buy it or not. People don't get rich by charging too much. Your use of the word RAPING is ridiculous.

People sell sneakers* for hundreds of dollars but it does me no harm. I just don't buy them. If the seller and buyers are happy that's all that matters.

*and handbags, perfume, pens...
Message: Posted by: philipsw (Sep 29, 2018 08:59AM)
Just wanted to say thanks for the reference to Tarbell - I'd been chasing something up about this and was really pleased to find it in a book on my shelves. One day I really will have to work through those treasure troves in detail...

PS - I love the idea of a 'watch' version of this!
Message: Posted by: docguitarman (Nov 6, 2018 01:32PM)
[quote]On Jun 10, 2014, MeetMagicMike wrote:
Hey. Two years later and I just found this toy in my local magic shop. It's now called "The Magic Sword" and cost $6.00. I eagerly opened the package and tried it out and the illusion is fantastic.

The salesman pointed out to me that they had gotten rid of the bull graphic but you could still tell that the key was in the shape of a bulls head if you look close.

Just googled it and found it at Penguin and Fun Inc. Here is the penguin link:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16228 [/quote]

Yes, I bought one recently from Meir Yedid and didn't look at the hilt closely. I just thought it was a weird shaped hilt -- just looked at it now. It's a bull's head!
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (Mar 18, 2019 11:07AM)
Hi,

I just discovered this thread today. Pleased to see others that appreciate the Magic Sword. For almost 2 years I have been refurbishing the $5 Magic Sword by Zanadu Magic. Wish I had the skills of a watchmaker, to make it all out of metal parts.
Here are some pics of the ones I have made. Working on other styles .

http://s290.photobucket.com/user/sleightofH/library/BizMagick?sort=3&page=1

http://s290.photobucket.com/user/sleightofH/media/BizMagick/IMG_0131.jpg.html?sort=3&o=9

http://s290.photobucket.com/user/sleightofH/media/BizMagick/IMG_0097%20copy.jpg.html?sort=3&o=14

Eric
Sleight of Hansen
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Mar 18, 2019 07:37PM)
I am thrilled to own a couple examples below of Eric's beautiful magic sword illusions. He is a true magic artist! If you are interested in acquiring one of these or have an idea for a theme you would like to use I would PM Eric. He is a great guy and very honest and fair to deal with.

John

[img]https://i.imgur.com/znhB7x8.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Papasmurf (Mar 23, 2019 12:27PM)
Thanks John, my favourite magic mentor.

http://s290.photobucket.com/user/sleightofH/library/BizMagick?sort=3&page=1
Message: Posted by: dking66 (Jun 16, 2019 07:52PM)
Check out this one made by Richard Gerlitz
http://www.gerlitzmagic.com/ssawing.html
And... it’s worth every penny!
Message: Posted by: Dr. O (Aug 6, 2019 09:39PM)
The Richard Gerlitz piece is astounding! This is the first time I have seen this . Thanks for sharing.