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Topic: How can I get a set like Whit's?
Message: Posted by: Alan Wheeler (Nov 10, 2010 08:41PM)
Whit Haydn's linking rings, I mean. I have been studying for the first time his Comedy 4 Ring Routine, which is so classic it will probably be allowed in heaven. I noticed that the rings he uses are much thicker than the ones I have seen. Does anyone know the specs on Whit's rings or where to find similar ones?
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Nov 10, 2010 09:06PM)
I didn't realize how big they were until I saw them up close. Those suckers are HUGE!! I would guess they are at least 12-15 inches in diameter. However, it's the thickness of them that drew my attention. You should just shoot Whit a PM, he is a really nice guy and I'm sure he'll help you. Good Luck. :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 10, 2010 11:25PM)
Whit has stated a number of times they are made by Owen Magic.

http://www.owenmagic.com/Club___Stage/Club___Stage_4/club___stage_4.html

Very expensive Linking Rings, but of the highest quality, a set of 8 cost $675.00 in 2005, so it may be higher priced now. A singe costs $120.00 each, the locking key costs $240.00 each, but Whit does not use a locking key. Contact them for current pricing. This pricing is for the 15", but I think he had a special size like 13" made.

12" size of 8 costs $475.00, singles costs $80.00 each.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Nov 11, 2010 12:27AM)
Owen does make the best rings on the planet...

HOWEVER...the 2nd best set which is darn near close to the same quality as Owen's is PROLine Rings which are the ones that I use. They are 15 inch rings and are 1/2 thick. They are also less expensive than Owen Rings...

Christopher
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Nov 11, 2010 01:48AM)
JOE PORPER makes rings as good as ANYONE and his locker, spinning and multiplying rings are unequaled. See him demo the locker on my site http://www.petebiro.com
Message: Posted by: Doug Arden (Nov 11, 2010 08:49AM)
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On 2010-11-10 21:41, Alan Wheeler wrote:
Whit Haydn's linking rings, I mean. I have been studying for the first time his Comedy 4 Ring Routine, which is so classic it will probably be allowed in heaven. I noticed that the rings he uses are much thicker than the ones I have seen. Does anyone know the specs on Whit's rings or where to find similar ones?
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Alan:

If you are referring to the set Whit was using at the time he recorded the Comedy 4 Ring Routine instructional video, they were Merv Taylor 10" rings. He moved to the much larger Owen rings he uses now, I believe about 5 years ago.

Doug
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Nov 11, 2010 09:30AM)
Whit's rings are 15" Owen - he let me handle them at the Unconventional Convention in Cumberland Falls, KY. He said a set of (4) would set you back $750.00. It would take a lot of practice to handle these things. I do his routine with a set of 12" Klamms ($72.00).

Jim
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Nov 11, 2010 09:33AM)
...or a set of eight 15" Proline Rings that are 1/2" thick will set you back about $500.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Nov 11, 2010 06:22PM)
Frankly 12s are plenty big enough. I have 15 and 18s and they are really harder to handle.
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mystoffelees (Nov 13, 2010 04:47PM)
Still laughing at the title, Alan...
Message: Posted by: Alan Wheeler (Nov 13, 2010 07:03PM)
I know it's not the size that counts. It's probably just a pipe dream.

(The "Comedy 4 Ring Routine" DVD is definitely one of my better purchases in magic. It was copyright 2004, so I can't believe I put off studying it this long. Just like the "Chicago Surprise," this routine teaches highly practical theory, that is, general principles that can really be applied to any magic.)
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Nov 14, 2010 05:16PM)
For the record, Owens will make you a four ring set of their 15" rings--you don't need to buy the standard eight ring set unless you want to.

Just call them and speak with Alan Zagorsky--I'm sure he'll help you out.

BTW--Don't forget Whit's advice about the extra single ring. So you might want a five ring set just for those special backstage situations.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Gardner (Nov 15, 2010 05:34PM)
The Whit Hayden routine is a masterpiece.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Nov 15, 2010 05:41PM)
... in Whit's hands.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Gardner (Nov 15, 2010 09:56PM)
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On 2010-11-15 18:41, Pete Biro wrote:
... in Whit's hands.
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Yes, absolutely,the success of Whit's routine is dependant the wit a comedic delivery of the magician. When you see Whit performing this effect you are seeing magic greatness.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Nov 16, 2010 12:40AM)
Hahahaha.. I didn't notice the title until you pointed it out Mr. Mystoffelees.. That's hilarious. :) Now I'm re-reading my response to the first post, and I'm laughing even harder!!
Message: Posted by: RJ Hunt (Nov 20, 2010 10:30PM)
If I am not mistaking I think Karrel Fox use to do a similar routine...
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Nov 21, 2010 08:40PM)
You are mistaken.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Nov 22, 2010 12:36AM)
Karrell did something with a little girl sitting on a stool and used a set of Himber Locking rings. I forget the routine, but there was a "thin" resemblance. Perhaps Whit remembers and can chime in.
Message: Posted by: Donal Chayce (Nov 22, 2010 02:54AM)
Karrell used three rings, and his routine generally involved a little girl from the audience. As I recall it did not remotely have the conceit of the performer being unaware that the audience member has not actually accomplished the task the magician dictates that is the central theme of Whit's routine
Message: Posted by: RJ Hunt (Dec 2, 2010 04:15PM)
At one of the It's Magic Show's at the Performing Arts Center in LA back in the early 80's when Karrell was the MC of the show, he did a 4 ring routine with a kid from the audience, much like Witt's. Maybe that was not his normal routine but I have it on video tape, If I can get it to disc format I will try to share it. I'm sure it's also in the archives at the Magic Castle.
Message: Posted by: RJ Hunt (Dec 3, 2010 02:36AM)
I need to correct something, It was the Variety Arts Center in LA
Message: Posted by: fireperformer911 (Dec 5, 2010 10:19AM)
Is Karrell Ring Routine published?
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 5, 2010 11:30AM)
NO, not published.
Message: Posted by: fireperformer911 (Dec 5, 2010 05:57PM)
Pete Thanks
Message: Posted by: wally (Dec 15, 2010 02:08PM)
I got mine from sterling steal.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Dec 21, 2010 03:11PM)
Hocus-Pocus lists a set of four 17-inch rings in the Antique/Collectibles section. Reasonably priced too.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Jan 1, 2011 08:59PM)
Look at page 2 of this thread - Mr. Haydn gives a detailed answer concerning the rings he's used over the years (he used solids for 30 years, and used 10" solids on the DVD, but has since changed to larger hollow rings for various reasons. He discusses the pros and cons of each in the thread): http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=55632&forum=4&47&start=30#16