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Topic: Magic Props at Airport
Message: Posted by: Medortho (Dec 3, 2010 02:52PM)
So I'm going to have my first flight soon, how do I manage to get my stuff through the airport without being harassed about it? How do you go through security while sticking to the magicians code? "Whats this, sir?" - "I can't tell you, it would ruin the secret." Yea right... Or should I just be completely honest about everything to keep the hassle to a minimum? "This looks dangerous, sir, what is it?" - "Oh, that thing. It's alright its just full of chemicals so I can produce smoke with it. Totally safe." How shall I go about it all? I need to take several props with me that might look pretty weird to officials.
Message: Posted by: Jim Snack (Dec 3, 2010 03:11PM)
It is a hassle, but about half the time, the TSA folks pull my bag out of line for an inspection. The Linking Rings look like coils of wire, so they want a second look. As soon as I see them go for my bag, I tell the examiner that I'm a magician and they were probably looking at the Chinese Ring trick. Trying to establish a little rapport, I joke that magicians can keep secrets from everybody but the TSA. As the examiner starts to unzip my bag and remove the rings, I quietly ask them not expose the secret to the world. The person is usually pretty cool about it.

Sometimes, I carry a wireless microphone, and they want to examine that equipment. I pack any questionable items right on top, or else put them in my second carry bag, so they don't have to dig through my underwear to get to the items that triggered the hand search.

The most important thing you can do is to visit the TSA or airline website to check what is prohibited, especially if you are planning on bringing on any chemicals. Depending upon what you carry, you may have to check your bag or ship items another way.
Message: Posted by: lou serrano (Dec 3, 2010 03:25PM)
Regarding the rings, I always tie a silk cloth to bind the rings together. The cloth always goes around the gimmicked part, so there is never anything to see if they do take out the rings for inspection. I've never had anyone untie the cloth. As for everything else, I never say what the item does, I just tell them what it is. For example, if someone asked me about my Ring Flite, I wouldn't tell them what it's used for. I would just tell them it's a key case. Security almost never asks me questions, so there is no explanation necessary.

Just follow the TSA guidelines and you should be fine.

Respectfully,

Lou Serrano
Message: Posted by: Medortho (Dec 3, 2010 03:27PM)
How about I leave the more questionable looking stuff at home and get someone to send it over via mail? Then again, I'd just like to take it all with me at once.
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Dec 3, 2010 03:54PM)
Don't carry them onboard just check them
Message: Posted by: rockthemike (Dec 3, 2010 09:34PM)
What about fire wallets like a Jardonnett?
Message: Posted by: Sealegs (Dec 4, 2010 09:22AM)
LeOn wrote:[quote]should I just be completely honest about everything to keep the hassle to a minimum?[/quote]

Without doubt, Yes.

If you are taking chemicals with you then you'll need to make sure before you get to the airport that you are allowed to have them in your checked in luggage. You'll also then need to have some means of proving they are the chemicals that you will be claiming them to be. If this sounds like it will be a hassle (and it will be) my advice is to leave them out your act and as a consequence out of your luggage.

I fly virtually every week (often many times a week) with my props getting to and from the various cruise ships I work on and I have done so for the past 12 years. I think I have a fairly good perspective on this topic. So here is some general advice.

Anything that contains or has contained volatile flammables such as lighter fluid cannot and should not be placed in checked in luggage. The reduced pressure environment of the cargo hold and the confined space of whatever they are packed in makes for a potentially dangerous combination.

A cigarette lighter can however be taken on board as a personal item if carried on your person but strangely not if placed in your hand luggage.

If any of this poses a problem for one of your effects either find an alternative or leave the routine out.

Occasionally, but extremely rarely, you might be asked to open your props case and show the contents. Just do as asked and be as helpful as possible.

In 12 years and literally hundreds of flights all over the world I have only had to do this about 3 or 4 times and I carry some really odd looking stuff with me and have been to some of the world's most security conscious counties' airports. The thing they normally want to look at in my props are the 3 'Brick Hammers' that I carry. Once they see that they are indeed brick hammers... that's it.

You might be asked to remove batteries from any battery operated devices you have, (this has happened to me only once) and the person inspecting the contents of your props might want to see something specific that showed up on the scan. They will no doubt see it as looking like something else or just as 'generally suspicious'. Once they see what it is, (or rather what it isn't) then they are done.

They are not going to want to examine your linking rings, or look for the secret compartment in your silk caddy (or whatever). They will probably guess you are a magic act from your odd looking stuff but don't expect that to be any instant pass. (it might speed the process up a bit though) They are, though, still going to want to see whatever it was that caught their attention. Our props are more interesting to us than they are the security officers of the TSA or BAA.

Electrical items might attract their attention. If asked, just show them and again that will be that.

If you have anything that even remotely looks like a weapon you are asking for more of a headache. Anything that has the vague shape of a gun, even a 2D cutout will be an issue. So my advice is ditch any routine that uses a toy gun, crossbow or anything similar. It's honestly not worth the trouble.

One other thing, if you lock whatever you carry your props in make sure it can be easily unlocked. If the TSA, BAA or anyother screeners need to get into it to look at something that they are suspicious about and it's locked they will break the lock open. I have a combination strap around my traveling prop's case on which I have clearly written the code and on my props box itself I have a 'broken padlock' that cannot be locked shut but which is held shut with tape. This holds everything secure but enables any inspecting officer to be able to get to my stuff if they need to.

Gun shaped objects aside... you are more likely to have problems with anything slightly dodgy in your carry on. Just check what is stated as, 'not allowed' and make sure you avoid traveling with any of these things.

For magic acts it's also worth noting that anything that looks like or could be used as a restraint is also not going to be allowed in carry on. So handcuffs, straitjackets, padlocks, even if they are all gimmicked up to the eyeballs so they don't function as the genuine article would, will also not be allowed. You'll need to check them in or they will be taken from you.

Do not expect to be able to talk security into allowing you to take them on by showing that they are in fact gimmicked magic props. You cannot expect security to take your word for it that the way the gimmicked prop functions is the only way it can work.

Make yourself aware of the rules and guidelines regarding what you can and can't carry. If asked to show your props, be patient, helpful and respectful. Co-operating without an attitude will make the process quick and hassle free.
Message: Posted by: misterillusion (Dec 4, 2010 01:08PM)
I have traveled quite a bit with magic props in my carry-on. Sometimes it triggers an immediate full inspection and other times, absolutely no inspection what-so-ever (for the exact same items). I always let them know that I am a magician and show them my brochure or card and I generally get a "knowing nod" and sometimes a smile. I never carry any kind of blade or scissors or chemicals of any kind. I also do not wear a pull or holdout or any other device on me. You never know, though, one time they did an inspection because they saw a bent spoon on the x-ray machine. I make sure that I am very cooperative and give them straight forward answers to any & all questions. Overall it has never been a problem in all these years of security checks.
Message: Posted by: rockthemike (Dec 4, 2010 02:15PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-04 10:22, Sealegs wrote:
LeOn wrote:[quote]should I just be completely honest about everything to keep the hassle to a minimum?[/quote]

Make yourself aware of the rules and guidelines regarding what you can and can't carry. If asked to show your props, be patient, helpful and respectful. Co-operating without an attitude will make the process quick and hassle free.
[/quote]


This whole post of yours that I edited needs to be stickied. That was awesome. Thank you very much.
Message: Posted by: Jim Snack (Dec 5, 2010 06:59AM)
Thanks Lou for the silk on the rings idea . It's so simple, why didn't I think of it!

Jim
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Dec 5, 2010 01:17PM)
Had an 1-day trip to Indianapolis for a show a few weeks ago for a Realtor. Client asked that I bring the bubbles, the trick in which you blow bubbles and grab one out of the air and bounce it on the floor.
No checked luggage.
The bubbles required a further look by TSA. Upon inspection, the load area of the trick gave them concern. I explained, with a smile and without attitude that is was a magic trick for children. Would they like me to demonstrate? "No." Supervisor called over. No liquid in the trick, I'd emptied it before leaving, figuring I'd buy some at the first opportunity in Indy.

Here's the tricky part: TSA guy says I'm not allowed to bring 8 oz of liquid on flight. I explain, the container only holds 1 oz. and it's empty. He says the label on the bubble bottle says 8 oz. I explain it's only a trick, it's empty, it doesn't hold more than 1 oz. I say, "Please unscrew the top (I'm not allowed to touch anything, including their table), look inside of the container. See? It only holds about one ounce." He says doesn't matter, label says 8 oz. Manager called over. I feel like I'm going back and forth with a wall. Manager agrees with TSA agent. 8 ounces it is.
I explain - again- there's no liquid in the prop. After 20 minutes of starting to sweat, and keeping my cool, they explain to me my five options:

1) Go back out through security and put it in my car (may have missed the flight, and yes, I'd still have to wait in the line again).
2) Go back out through security and mail it to myself at my destination (show was in 8 hours, 1500 miles away, so mail wouldn't get there in time)
3) Go back out through security and find the post office and mail it to myself at home, but I'd still have to go back through the line and procedures of security again.
4) Go back out through security and take the trick to the ticket counter where they could try to find my luggage, then check the trick in with my bag. As I explained I don't have checked luggage, he told me not to interrupt his options.
5) They can throw the trick away.

I chose #5, was upset, and trying not to show it.
By the time I was done, I'd lost 25 minutes, argued over a non-existent 8 oz of liquid, and disappointed my client's request.
Frustrated, I walked to the flight pondering those 3 points.

Then I immediately reminded myself that bubbles are easy to replace, and I'm making my living making people smile. Life was good.
Now, it's just a story.
Message: Posted by: Medortho (Dec 5, 2010 02:18PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-04 15:15, rockthemike wrote:
[quote]
On 2010-12-04 10:22, Sealegs wrote:
LeOn wrote:[quote]should I just be completely honest about everything to keep the hassle to a minimum?[/quote]

Make yourself aware of the rules and guidelines regarding what you can and can't carry. If asked to show your props, be patient, helpful and respectful. Co-operating without an attitude will make the process quick and hassle free.
[/quote]


This whole post of yours that I edited needs to be stickied. That was awesome. Thank you very much.
[/quote]

agreed, thank you very much, Sealegs.

[quote]4) Go back out through security and take the trick to the ticket counter where they could try to find my luggage, then check the trick in with my bag. As I explained I don't have checked luggage, he told me not to interrupt his options.[/quote]
So that would mean I'm all fine if I put the fishy looking gimmicks into my luggage?
Message: Posted by: Gordon (Dec 5, 2010 02:20PM)
Keith's story demonstrates why you can't predict how the TSA will react to your props and belongings. All logic and common sense are out of play when dealing with them. I've had my bag searched and been questioned because I had 3 decks of playing cards in my bag. I'm not aware of any way to hijack an airplane using playing cards, Ricky Jay's book notwithstanding.
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Dec 5, 2010 02:50PM)
Gordon, it's funny you mention that, because at the end, I asked them what it was that triggered the initial look-through. It was the decks of cards in the bottom of my bag. They said it looked like a block of cheese. It makes no sense, but as you said, all logic and common sense are out of play when dealing with them.

Now add the new pat-downs and machines to the stable, and you've got a whole new level of folly. My understanding is that most other countries do not experience the non-sensical in their airports, that we do in the US.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Dec 5, 2010 03:43PM)
Any tips on the best way to travel with a hold out? Or is removing it really the preferable option?
Sub-question: If the hold out has C4 attached to it, will that make a difference?
Message: Posted by: Chad C. (Dec 6, 2010 12:04PM)
I recently had shows that I had to fly to and had in my carry on bag my wireless mic, an mp3tech, several decks of cards, and the wires for all of the electronics. I also had a metal briefcase with my floating table in it. Went straight through on the flights there and back. That was before all the holiday travel season so who knows what it would be like now.

Also, I use flash paper in my show but I had that shipped there prior to the performance so it was waiting on me at the venue.
Message: Posted by: Jim Snack (Dec 6, 2010 03:15PM)
Keith,

Your liquid story reminded me of a flight a few months ago. I had about two ounces of toothpaste left in an 8 oz tube that was rolled up from the bottom. While it made it through security on the first leg, I had to throw it out on the return flight. They said it was 8 oz and couldn't be carried on. So, it seems that the container has to be 3 oz or less. Pretty dumb if you ask me, but those are their rules.

Jim
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Dec 6, 2010 04:33PM)
Theoretically you could fill your entire carry on with toothpaste but they won't stop you from wheeling that onto the plane.
Message: Posted by: Blair Marshall (Dec 6, 2010 06:38PM)
Re: The checked luggage. WAY before all these security issues (in the early 70's) I was flying to another Canadian province to do a series of arena shows, I used a blank gun in one of my routines. I thought that as I did not want them going through my checked luggage and making a mess if it showed up on x-ray, that I would put it in my carry-on ( WRONG - LOL) When I checked in at the counter I advised the desk that I had the piece with blank ammunition with me! You wanted to see the ticket agent's face. She advised that it should have gone in my checked in baggage. They called an RCMP officer who escorted me through the terminal with the gun, back into the baggage handling area, where I was allowed to put it into my bag. No further issue. (And actually the gun should have gone out with my illusions that flew out earlier.) It would be probably be more difficult to access your baggage today, especially at a major airport.

So lesson learned. It is amazing what can be put into checked baggage. If you only NEED to take a carry-on, it may be worth the effort to take a piece for check-in so as to avoid the hassles associated with the inspections at the counters for your smaller props.

The other worthy suggestion above is to ship out the material via courrier to your customer, if it's an internal shipment in the U.S. the cost should be very low.

Avoid the hassles.

Blair
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Dec 6, 2010 07:24PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-05 15:50, Keith Raygor wrote:
Gordon, it's funny you mention that, because at the end, I asked them what it was that triggered the initial look-through. It was the decks of cards in the bottom of my bag. They said it looked like a block of cheese. It makes no sense,
[/quote]

A block of cheese can look like C4. They probably said "cheese" to avoid making you and any other already-anxious passengers upset.
What word would you rather hear while standing in line/ Cheese or Explosives
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Dec 6, 2010 07:25PM)
[quote]
On 2010-12-05 16:43, Andrewzuber wrote:
Any tips on the best way to travel with a hold out? Or is removing it really the preferable option?
Sub-question: If the hold out has C4 attached to it, will that make a difference?
[/quote]

Send it in advance.
Message: Posted by: Scott Burton (Dec 6, 2010 09:33PM)
I wear my suit on the plane and have nearly my entire act in my carry-on. A couple items (forks for example)go in my checked baggage to avoid any issues. The goal is that I can perform even if my luggage gets lost.

I did have to go through a process to simplify the show (prop wise) to make this happen. Definitely worth it as don`t want to arrive anywhere without my show equipment. However, I suppose most of my show could be sourced from office supply stores which is a nice bonus just in case (I love contingency plans!).
Message: Posted by: Gordon (Dec 7, 2010 07:36AM)
To the best of my knowledge, cheese cannot be used to highjack a plane, P.T. Selbit's "The Mighty Cheese" notwithstanding.
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Dec 7, 2010 08:48AM)
It could if the pilots were both lactose intolerant.
Message: Posted by: Tim Hannig (Dec 14, 2010 02:36PM)
Keith,

That is a crazy story.

My carry on was full of magic and sound stuff (mp3 tech, etc) this weekend and my bag was inspected.

Turns out they were only interested in the big bottle of shaving cream.

I was very respectful and he ended up letting me keep it since it was almost empty.

I've definitely learned that the most consistent thing is that they are not consistent.

Just because you get through one time.... that doesn't mean anything for the future.

But an empty container of bubbles that is really only a film canister?? Wow.
Message: Posted by: MrHyde (Dec 14, 2010 04:27PM)
Can't add much to Sealegs terrific post except one idea I always use is to have a couple of publicity photo's or brochures on top inside any checked luggage. They kind of "get it" when they see them and it can often save a lot of time.

Timothy
Message: Posted by: Keith Raygor (Dec 14, 2010 09:59PM)
Timothy - Great idea!
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 12, 2015 06:55PM)
I'm hoping someone can help me. As I'm getting busier and traveling further I was trying to find something I haven't seen in a long time. I was looking for a magician's sign he puts in his luggage when flying. I believe it's Brian Brushwood's and I want to find his exact wording. It's something along the lines of "These are magic props that support me and my family..." but not sure and I've been looking and no such luck. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 12, 2015 09:08PM)
So you think a sign of some sort will stop the TSA from doing their job? IF it were that easu don't you think bad guys will do it?
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 12, 2015 09:21PM)
[quote]On Aug 12, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
So you think a sign of some sort will stop the TSA from doing there job? IF it were that easu don't you think bad guys will do it? [/quote]
Haha Of course not but it makes things easier. It helps to let them know what the strange looking items are. It would be greatly appreciated if someone could send that to me. If you could see the sign it would explain better as it's not to stop them from doing their job but make it easier on them and help me out as well!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 12, 2015 11:03PM)
No it won't. It will likely raise red flag and guarantee a search. But go ahead.
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 12, 2015 11:33PM)
[quote]On Aug 12, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
No it won't. It will likely raise red flag and guarantee a search. But go ahead. [/quote]
Well it seems to work for the people doing it but hey what do they know....I've looked at all the possibilities and I like it but nonetheless I will just keep searching until I find it or make one that's not as eloquent as the sign I remember.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 12, 2015 11:51PM)
Who said it works? Does the TSA leave a note saying "we were going to search your bags until we saw the sign"?

How would anyone even know it did any good?

If it actually did any good then smugglers would just put signs in their luggage.

But yea go ahead.

I fly dozens of times a year and you are making way more of this them there is.
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 13, 2015 10:00AM)
You clearly don't know what it's for so no need to keep on explaining to you. I'll just keep searching and maybe I'll find it.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 13, 2015 10:04AM)
I clearly understand what it is supposedly for. You clearly do not fly much or understand what the job if the TSA is.

Flying has changed friend. The exact thing you are trying to prevent with this sign will likely happen BECAUSE off this sign.

It makes perfect sense. You're just not keeping up. They are not going to do the job any differently when they see it other than to think "hmm wonder what they have to hide? " and end up giving you even MORE scrutiny.

In the task world outside of magic clubs and message boards NOBODY cares about your props and little magic things. Their job is to keep airplanes in the air. Nothing more. So you sorting your family with props pales in comparison to their job.

I fly dozens of times a year for decades and have literally lost one bag and had them searched lots of times with no incident. They leave that little card telling you that they searched. Life goes on.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Aug 13, 2015 10:14AM)
It's no different that seeing a sign that says "do not open." You are only attracting attention to it and creating a desire or curiosity to wanting to open it. I'd be careful who you listen too as well, much of Brian is nothing more than hype and fodder and intentionally going against the grain.
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 14, 2015 02:52PM)
[quote]On Aug 13, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I clearly understand what it is supposedly for. You clearly do not fly much or understand what the job if the TSA is.

Flying has changed friend. The exact thing you are trying to prevent with this sign will likely happen BECAUSE off this sign.

It makes perfect sense. You're just not keeping up. They are not going to do the job any differently when they see it other than to think "hmm wonder what they have to hide? " and end up giving you even MORE scrutiny.

In the task world outside of magic clubs and message boards NOBODY cares about your props and little magic things. Their job is to keep airplanes in the air. Nothing more. So you sorting your family with props pales in comparison to their job.

I fly dozens of times a year for decades and have literally lost one bag and had them searched lots of times with no incident. They leave that little card telling you that they searched. Life goes on. [/quote]
I fly quite a bit and know that TSA is for safety (supposedly) but anyways it's clear you aren't going to tell me what I ask for so it's done.
Message: Posted by: bentleyburns (Aug 14, 2015 02:54PM)
[quote]On Aug 13, 2015, Mindpro wrote:
It's no different that seeing a sign that says "do not open." You are only attracting attention to it and creating a desire or curiosity to wanting to open it. I'd be careful who you listen too as well, much of Brian is nothing more than hype and fodder and intentionally going against the grain. [/quote]
I understand that much of his ideas are hype but that was something I liked and I'm not even sure if it's his but I just THINK it is. I do appreciate your warning on that but that's one idea that I like and it struck me so I am interested.
Message: Posted by: MarkToland (Aug 15, 2015 10:45PM)
Mentalists don't have this problem.

"What are these, sir?"

"Index cards."
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 19, 2015 02:24PM)
What I do is type a letter and leave it in my bag, where its easily seen by whoever searches it. The letter says my name, and that I'm a magician and that the contents will be odd because of this fact. I than go on to give them permission to search the contents, provided they are delicate with everything and put it away just as they found it. Last blow off sentence is my thanking them for their work to keep everyone safe. I feel this is a honest, direct way to let them know who you are and what you are all about. I also stick a few name cards to it. Always be selling gentleman!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 19, 2015 05:29PM)
Oh Lord. So you give the guy searching your bag permission to search your bag? I REALLY want a video of them laughing hysterically at this concept.

If they are looking for a comedian the business cards might help.

Do you seriously think they take time to read the note?
Message: Posted by: BrianMillerMagic (Aug 20, 2015 05:05AM)
There's no way TSA has time to read your notes and signs guys. Pack properly, follow the rules. That's it. Flying is not a right. It's a privilege.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 20, 2015 03:51PM)
Doyle, I do not give them permission to search my bag. but they do any way. they also give you a sheet that says they have gone through your bag and if anything is missing or broken, they are not responsible.

I do shows, lots of them, all over the world. I don't carry normal items in my bag. I am always searched and checked. The note is a proactive way to let them know that they are going through a magicians bag. the sooner they know that the faster they realize they don't have anything to be concerned about.

and yes I do believe they take 10 seconds to read my note.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 20, 2015 06:05PM)
Sure they spens an extra 10 seconds per bag. No matter WHAT THEIR job description is your note changes everything.

The mere presence of the note is a red flag that would GIVE them something to worry about.

Otherwise drug smugglers would simply smuggle drugs in magic props.

You think your note tells them they hae nothing to worry ahout?

You think the world at large cares a whit about your props? Yea I think safety is mor on thei mind. But if you feel better with the note by all means donit. I have literally dozens of those cards they leave.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 20, 2015 06:12PM)
The note doesn't tell them they have nothing to worry about. It lets them know why I have all the random items that I carry.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 21, 2015 09:19AM)
It lets them know you don't want them going through the bag, which makes them want to go through the bag. IF they read the note.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 21, 2015 09:45AM)
They are already going through it. Regardless of the note.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 21, 2015 01:01PM)
Then what exactly is the point of the note?

What they are doing is called their job. Get over it.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 21, 2015 06:34PM)
You do what you want to do an so will I. I was responding to the original poster. if you don't like or agree with what others do, get over it. sometimes I really wonder why I bother posting here.
Message: Posted by: dearwiseone (Aug 21, 2015 07:42PM)
[quote]On Dec 5, 2010, Keith Raygor wrote:
Had an 1-day trip to Indianapolis for a show a few weeks ago for a Realtor. Client asked that I bring the bubbles, the trick in which you blow bubbles and grab one out of the air and bounce it on the floor.
No checked luggage.
The bubbles required a further look by TSA. Upon inspection, the load area of the trick gave them concern. I explained, with a smile and without attitude that is was a magic trick for children. Would they like me to demonstrate? "No." Supervisor called over. No liquid in the trick, I'd emptied it before leaving, figuring I'd buy some at the first opportunity in Indy.

Here's the tricky part: TSA guy says I'm not allowed to bring 8 oz of liquid on flight. I explain, the container only holds 1 oz. and it's empty. He says the label on the bubble bottle says 8 oz. I explain it's only a trick, it's empty, it doesn't hold more than 1 oz. I say, "Please unscrew the top (I'm not allowed to touch anything, including their table), look inside of the container. See? It only holds about one ounce." He says doesn't matter, label says 8 oz. Manager called over. I feel like I'm going back and forth with a wall. Manager agrees with TSA agent. 8 ounces it is.
I explain - again- there's no liquid in the prop. After 20 minutes of starting to sweat, and keeping my cool, they explain to me my five options:

1) Go back out through security and put it in my car (may have missed the flight, and yes, I'd still have to wait in the line again).
2) Go back out through security and mail it to myself at my destination (show was in 8 hours, 1500 miles away, so mail wouldn't get there in time)
3) Go back out through security and find the post office and mail it to myself at home, but I'd still have to go back through the line and procedures of security again.
4) Go back out through security and take the trick to the ticket counter where they could try to find my luggage, then check the trick in with my bag. As I explained I don't have checked luggage, he told me not to interrupt his options.
5) They can throw the trick away.

I chose #5, was upset, and trying not to show it.
By the time I was done, I'd lost 25 minutes, argued over a non-existent 8 oz of liquid, and disappointed my client's request.
Frustrated, I walked to the flight pondering those 3 points.

Then I immediately reminded myself that bubbles are easy to replace, and I'm making my living making people smile. Life was good.
Now, it's just a story. [/quote]

Remember, you were trying to explain things to TSA agents. I'm sure you talked slow and avoided using big words but it still didn't work. TSA is the largest unionized group of idiots on the planet.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 21, 2015 08:54PM)
[quote]On Aug 21, 2015, Nick W wrote:
You do what you want to do an so will I. I was responding to the original poster. if you don't like or agree with what others do, get over it. sometimes I really wonder why I bother posting here. [/quote]

Just trying to figure out what good you think it does. Sorry if reality gets in the way it is not my fault.
Message: Posted by: Nick W (Aug 21, 2015 11:26PM)
Your ego is getting in the way of reality. doesn't matter what good you or I or anyone thinks writing a note does. what good does it do to add an extra convincer in your act or routine? whos really paying attention? and just for you, since writing these notes, TSA has not gone through my containers of salt and leaving them open and spilling out in my bag.. since writing the notes, I have had 0 issues. my post was never ment for you. it was ment for the person who originally posted.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Aug 22, 2015 12:32AM)
[quote]On Aug 20, 2015, BrianMillerMagic wrote:
There's no way TSA has time to read your notes and signs guys. Pack properly, follow the rules. That's it. Flying is not a right. It's a privilege. [/quote]

Guess it wasn't meant for Brian either huh?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 14, 2019 12:45AM)
I know this is an old thread but I am flying out for a gig in less then two weeks. I am afraid to send my props in my checked bag and hoping I can place them in my carry bag and get them through. I would love to know someone who has traveled in the last few months. Plus TSA is not getting paid right now which I know may have negative consequences. :huh:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Jan 14, 2019 12:47PM)
What props do you have exactly and are you going to fly international?

I mean I have flown more miles than I care to admit this year, most recently into Mexico on Saturday.

I had ZERO problems or concerns with flying. I just don't like it is all. I am 6'5 and 280 lbs. So the seats are getting REALLY tough for me to want to worry about.

But as far as any flying with props it depends on what they are. If you are able to fit them into the smaller carry on size bins then there should be no issues.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jan 15, 2019 12:44AM)
Electronics and magnets Danny. Thanks.