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Topic: TIPS for a guy looking into getting doves?
Message: Posted by: Head Case (Jan 2, 2011 11:28PM)
So.. I'm a close-up guy, and I want to jump into doing a stand up, stage act. I really LOVE LOVE LOVE doves. I love animals for that matter.

Anyway, I just wanted to ask for any tips, pointers, ideas from people who have doves, and any advice they would give to someone just starting out.

The direction my mind is in is... get 2 doves, get some harnesses, alter my jacket, and start training them asap. haha

Any input (hopefully in positive way, not to steer me away from a dove act) would be great.


Thanks guys!

:)
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Jan 3, 2011 12:49AM)
You would get your answers by reading this blog, you question is a standard one that has been asked many times. If you are not willing to do the work, then your really not interested in finding your answers.

I would not suggest your method as that is the way I had to do it and it cost me $500 to find the correct dove pocket, dove bag, and production methods that really worked.

Dove productions are only a small part of a dove act, as it should be connected with other tricks like silk productions and vanishes. To come out and produce a dove from a scarf that you just have in your had is not all that magical.

After you find some specific things of interest, come back here to this thread and ask your detailed questions, be more then happy to help you decide or confirm your thoughts.

Happy reading!
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jan 3, 2011 06:33AM)
DC,

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The direction my mind is in is... get 2 doves, get some harnesses, alter my jacket, and start training them asap.[/quote]

There are many many topics on this forum concerning this very subject. Let me say that your statement above is out of sequence. Getting the doves is the very last thing you want to do. The very first is to get and study some videos to get a good understanding of exactly what is involved in dove magic. Some excellent choices, and certainly not the only choices, are Tony Clarks series "unmasked" and Andy Amyx's "doves 101"

There are a lot of factors to consider before starting out.
1: Do you have the time (initially hours per day) to train your doves
2: Do you have a place to keep them. In the house is not good because of the powdery dander they spread. An outdoor aviary must be protected from the elements and preditors
3: Can you affor the bird food, vitamins, treats, vet bills and again the time
4: Are there sufficient venues in your area where dove magic would be allowed

If after studying the videos you can answer yes to these questions, then there is no reason why you shouldn't work on a routine.

As for harnesses and pockets, there are many varities on the market. Some better than others. Before altering a jacket, temporarily pin the pockets in and practice. Instead of using the doves for this, roll up a pair of heavy socks. The size and weight will be about the same and will give you an idea of exactly where to attach the pockets.

Training will take approximately 6 to 7 weeks of constant handling. Once done, you can begin using them in place of the socks.

Once again, get the videos first and study them. If you have any specific questions, feel free to ask here and I or the other dove workers on the Café will be more than happy to help you.
Message: Posted by: MagicB1S (Jan 7, 2011 07:15AM)
DC as Dave mentioned some good resources to learn from would be " Tony Clarks series "unmasked" and Andy Amyx's "doves 101". I have both and would be willing to sell either one of them to help you out. PM me if you are interested. These are both great learning tools.
Message: Posted by: ERIC (Jan 7, 2011 04:57PM)
Great advise so far and I would expect no less from the likes of Dave and the others. I have only one other thing for you to consider in your decissions. ARE YOU READY TO MAKE A COMMITMENT FOR MANY MANY YEARS? Doves can last for up to 2 decades if healthy. Are you in a position where two three years down the road you have to move or whatever and have to get rid of the birds? People do this all the time and then the animals are the ones that loose out. Get all of the information and then and ONLY then be honest in your decission BEFORE you get the birds.
Message: Posted by: revmike (Jan 7, 2011 07:47PM)
They are not kidding on the life-span of doves. When we had Johnny Thompson in for our convention he told us the Doves he was using were all 20 years plus.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 7, 2011 09:04PM)
My young doves that are used are about 16 and my older ones about 22. Don't think in terms of "dog years" if you get into doves. (Your kids will leave home first!)

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Jan 9, 2011 04:03PM)
Check out Bob Sanders' Dove Hotline on Magic Auction. Seems not to be updated in quite sme time, but most definitely will enlighten you about the ins and outs of dove care.

http://www.magicauction.com/DoveHotline/Dove%20Hot%20Line%20Archives.html
Message: Posted by: Dave Scribner (Jan 9, 2011 04:54PM)
Bob answered many of my questions on the magic hot line when I first started out. He turned the reigns over to Tony Clark but you're right, it hasn't been updated in quite some time. If you read the entire forum, most of your questions will be answered.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Jan 23, 2011 06:23PM)
Lucy and I just added 15 new doves to our family. It looks like we will be hearing "Coos" a long time.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Jan 25, 2011 07:51PM)
Maybe this is a little off topic, but as a person inexperienced with most birds except parakeets, do doves make good pets, if not used in magic? We lost our dog of 17 years and I'd like to have another animal, but not ready for a dog again just yet. Still stinging from her loss. Thinking of a parrot or something, but if doves make good pets, I might do that as a primary interest/hobby, then perhaps move it/them into magic? I have a few dove vanishing and producing effects and will be playing with them using latex doves, but it wouuld be wonderful to use a pet dove someday. Thanks....
Message: Posted by: George Ledo (Jan 25, 2011 10:40PM)
Good comments so far. Doves are not props: they're living beings, birds who really belong in the wild, but are being held captive. When I had doves, I discovered very early that each one of them had a distinct personality, to the point where I put them in the act based on who they were and how they would react to where they were. I always used the same bird for the same effect. Two of them were fine for appearances and vanishes, but one was something of a ham and turned out to be the one I produced last, perched on my appearing cane, and walked off with.

Training took months, but I used those birds indoors, outdoors, at a mall, and in theaters, and they never once worried me. They were totally comfortable and went along with the drill every time. I actually thought of them and treated them as pets. And when they appeared, and those huge, gorgeous white wings flapped, the effect, was, well, magical.
Message: Posted by: sperris (Jan 28, 2011 02:28PM)
@ Bob1Dog - doves make great pets if you have just one dove and get it fairly young and let it bond to you. I have some very close friends who have only one dove, and you'd think that thing was a puppy. It loves to come out of the cage and hang out with them on the ouch when they watch tv, etc.
Message: Posted by: Leland (Feb 4, 2011 12:10PM)
I'm also trying my hand at dove magic. I purchased Gen Grant's dvd, Tony Clark's dvd all great to start with bu the best thing to do is to find a local magicain that is willing to work with you. It will save you lots of time and money. Best part is it will save a birds life.