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Topic: The Perfect Nail Bend
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 2, 2011 06:46PM)
I have not seen another thread on this so here it is. This is brand new and a prerelease. I have not seen it yet but the AD says no switching. Just wanted to see what your thoughts are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gRsboZtwOg

AD: Never before have we seen a nail bend that:

a) didn't require a switch with a prebent nail, or
b) one that didn't require you to conceal some bending device, or
c) one that actually bends the nail in the spectators hand!


MJM is releasing it. I have no financial interest but I do like PK work.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Feb 2, 2011 07:00PM)
But if you go to HP and see everything that comes with the nail, it becomes clear what you are purchasing and how it works since it is simply a nail and not a fork. I think it is a good price.

s
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Feb 2, 2011 07:03PM)
Just got the email advertising this and came here to start a thread on it myself!

Looks interesting but yet again on the demo video it cuts when the 'magic' happens.

Straight nail : Stick up caption : Hey look the nail has bent!

I'm sorry but unless I see a full video, I won't be buying it as you don't get captions in real life.

I do wish they wouldn't do this on demos. Why should people pay money for a product that they haven't seen?
Message: Posted by: mike storz (Feb 2, 2011 07:40PM)
I actually like this a lot. Makes sense with a nail. I also like that it can be bent back.

Might be jumpin on this one!
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Feb 2, 2011 08:24PM)
Three words.

Wizard product review.


Magicmike30
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Feb 2, 2011 08:50PM)
If you put an ice cold nail in a spectator's hand I think they will notice the temperature extreme and comment on it.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 2, 2011 09:26PM)
Good thoughts, look forward to reviews in 1-2 months.
Message: Posted by: roblane (Feb 2, 2011 09:28PM)
I agree with Paul. Unless someone can convince me that the temp isn't an issue.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Feb 2, 2011 11:53PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-02 14:03, Shrubsole wrote:


I do wish they wouldn't do this on demos. Why should people pay money for a product that they haven't seen?
[/quote]

You must be quite young. Years ago there was no such thing as demo's. You simply read a description in a catalog, and or hopefully got the chance to see it demonstrated at your local brick and mortar magic store.
However, other than that, when there IS a demo it should be straight up, NO cuts and or just a demo of spectator's reactions albeit this one was pretty close to being as it should be.....almost. I think we are all getting a tad spoiled, and admittedly....yours truly. :)
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 3, 2011 01:57AM)
Hmmm :exclaim: [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=263635&forum=109&post=5655702][b]The Perfect Nail Bend[/b][/url] :exclaim: :worry:

:) ;)

[quote]
On 2011-02-02 14:40, mike storz wrote:

[b]I actually like this a lot. Makes sense with a nail. I also like that it can be bent back.[/b]
[/quote]

Yes! The bending and then unbending of the NAIL was clever thinking by Katto (the inventor).

IMHO, The The Perfect Nail Bend (props) has been very reasonably priced. Also the [url=http://www.elmwoodmagic.com/full/__9079.htm][b]The Advertisement[/b][/url] very clearly tells you (reading between the lines) as to what exactly is involved and what makes the effect work. A very honest Ad.

However I have two concerns regarding the prop(s) (i.e. the Nails).

First: Since there are two props (gimmick nails) involved in the effect, I do hope that the manufacturers have taken special care to ensure that both the gimmick nails have their bends at the same (almost) position and at the same angle. This is not so, as seen in the demo vid.

Second: As seen in the demo video, the nail is picked up from the ground & the spectators are told that the nail is HOT. Later, when placing of a chilled nail on the palm of the spectator, is going to be a bit tricky. This will need a better convincing patter for the spectator(s).

Overall, IMHO, the Perfect Nail Bend is a nice effect and is priced right.

Just my personal opinion! :) ;)

:xmas:
P.S. I am still waiting for somebody to manufacture the [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=263635&forum=109&post=5655711][b]GOST KEY[/b][/url]. Hopefully one fine day we shall see an Ad for the same. :) ;)
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Feb 3, 2011 02:10AM)
I think this is priced right, and I think this technology is very convincing for a spectator as long as the spectator is looking not touching. However, I am not sure where this will be useful. A nail is a bit small for standup work or stage unless you have camera shooting the object closeup. This is obviously not suitable for walkaround, so I am really not sure where one would use this.

I think the price is right, but if you can't find a suitable venue to use it what difference does the price make?
Message: Posted by: motown (Feb 3, 2011 02:52AM)
Looks cool. Will be interested to hear more.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 3, 2011 10:03AM)
Yea, what audience would be good for this? Not the grabbers and too small for stage. Perhaps a medium size parlor venue perhaps.
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 3, 2011 10:08AM)
I love the premise and technology behind this type of effect, however would like to know is it completely contained , or is like the old versions where you have to keep buying a certain something ? How long does it last before nail starts bending , and as someone else pointed out is it ice cold to the touch. Would be great if they have really cracked it this time with this type of technology.
Message: Posted by: roblane (Feb 3, 2011 11:53AM)
How about a safety/work glove, to 'protect' the spec from potential injury? That way the cold wont be an issue and you can easily justify the glove when the spec tries to bend the nail.
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Feb 3, 2011 03:52PM)
It says no switching, yet in the video he switches the nail!
Message: Posted by: Shrubsole (Feb 3, 2011 04:07PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-02 18:53, gaffed wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-02-02 14:03, Shrubsole wrote:


I do wish they wouldn't do this on demos. Why should people pay money for a product that they haven't seen?
[/quote]

You must be quite young. Years ago there was no such thing as demo's. You simply read a description in a catalog, and or hopefully got the chance to see it demonstrated at your local brick and mortar magic store.
However, other than that, when there IS a demo it should be straight up, NO cuts and or just a demo of spectator's reactions albeit this one was pretty close to being as it should be.....almost. I think we are all getting a tad spoiled, and admittedly....yours truly. :)
[/quote]

I'm 48 and been doing magic since 1973 (That was before the internet!)

In my mind if someone in videoing a demo keeping the 'move' part out of it just makes it look suspicious. If the move is good enough for the audience to have to watch then it should be good enough for us to watch. If it isn't then how are we meant to fool an audience with it?

So show the 'move' and then let us decide if we could sell that to and audience.

As I've been burnt since 1973, I now flatly refuse to part with any money until I've seen a full demo on video or in person. If more people did that instead of just filling up their bottom draws with junk that they will never use, then maybe the con artists would be out of business.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Feb 3, 2011 05:56PM)
If you don't unbend the nail there is no "move."
Message: Posted by: Cyberqat (Feb 3, 2011 06:50PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-02 18:53, gaffed wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-02-02 14:03, Shrubsole wrote:


I do wish they wouldn't do this on demos. Why should people pay money for a product that they haven't seen?
[/quote]

You must be quite young. Years ago there was no such thing as demo's. You simply read a description in a catalog, and or hopefully got the chance to see it demonstrated at your local brick and mortar magic store.
However, other than that, when there IS a demo it should be straight up, NO cuts and or just a demo of spectator's reactions albeit this one was pretty close to being as it should be.....almost. I think we are all getting a tad spoiled, and admittedly....yours truly. :)
[/quote]

I'd say the opposite. It used to be that, if you read a description in a reputable dealer's catalog, it was honest and fair.

The level of hype and nonsense in modern magic ads IMHO is what has caused the backlash, and its an appropriate one.
Message: Posted by: mike storz (Feb 5, 2011 11:44PM)
Has anyone had first hand experience with this? If so, please pm me. I'm considering this but have some questions.

Mike :)
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Feb 7, 2011 07:05PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-03 11:07, Shrubsole wrote:

In my mind if someone in videoing a demo keeping the 'move' part out of it just makes it look suspicious. If the move is good enough for the audience to have to watch then it should be good enough for us to watch. If it isn't then how are we meant to fool an audience with it?

So show the 'move' and then let us decide if we could sell that to and audience.

As I've been burnt since 1973, I now flatly refuse to part with any money until I've seen a full demo on video or in person. If more people did that instead of just filling up their bottom draws with junk that they will never use, then maybe the con artists would be out of business.
[/quote]

Sorry, maybe I sounded a tad harsh in my statement which was not my intention. Video demos are great, but they are also at times very misleading as we [b][i]all[/i][/b] know. Nonsensical minutes of wasted time with street theatrics and music which means nothing. Sometimes I don’t know if I’m watching a terrible music video or a magic demo! Endless video shots of spectator reactions and NO full actual performance. There are times when I actually think magic video demos are a detriment rather than what they should be...a simple and HONEST performance of the effect with NO cuts. However, I do fully well realize that there are certain effects where this cannot be done due to backtracking and possible disclosure.

[quote]
On 2011-02-05 18:44, mike storz wrote:
Has anyone had first hand experience with this? If so, please pm me. I'm considering this but have some questions.

Mike :)
[/quote]

I don’t have it but I imagine that it is based upon Nitinol titanium technology which to me makes it [i]very[/i] impractical. There is a trick called “Elite Bending Coin” by Jay Crowe which uses this technology and seems to have fallen flat on its face. It has a whopping $300.00 price tag and not the greatest reviews. There are only a few reviews on it at Penguin magic and they are [i]all[/i] bad.

I just happened to watch the demo video of The Perfect Nail Bend again and it occurred to me; just how many magicians perform at construction sites! “Oh look, we have a bunch of nails lying on the ground”. "Here, let’s use [i]this[/i] one"! :lol:
Message: Posted by: paw (Feb 7, 2011 08:07PM)
Hello!
My name is Patrick.
I helped write the ad copy for this product. I just want to make a few things clear.
In other nail bending effects you would have to switch the Gimmicked nail in or out. You do NOT have to do that with this version. The nail bends in your (or your spectators) hand. The SAME nail can be handed out for examination. The nail does NOT bend and then straighten itself out. You receive 2 nails. One will bend, the other will straighten. As you can see in the ad copy they are listed as effect1 and effect 2. They are two different effects. This is a fantastic value at $60.00. This is a must have.!!

I hope this helps!
Patrick


Here is the official ad copy:

DESCRIPTION

Just a sample of the possible effects with Perfect Nail Bend Set...

Effect 1
Imagine, you show a normal metal nail. You prove it really is normal by having the spectator examine it. Then you ask the SPECTATOR to hold the nail at their finger tips. Next, you ask the spectator to concentrate on the nail. As they do, they see the nail start to bend in THEIR hand! Once the nail stops bending the spectator can examine it. There is NOTHING to find!!!
This is as close as it gets to REAL MAGIC!

Effect 2
Imagine, you show a nail that has been previously bent. You drop it on the table to prove that it is solid. Next, you ask the SPECTATOR to pick up the nail and hold it flat on their hand. The metal nail starts to bend until it is completely straight. The spectator can examine the nail, there is NOTHING to find. This is as close as it gets to REAL MAGIC!

• No Switching
• No Magnets
• No Extra Gimmicks
• No Electronics
• Nothing is used except for the nail itself.

Included:
(1) Gimmicked bent nail
(1) Gimmicked straight nail
(1) Setting tube
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Feb 7, 2011 08:19PM)
It seems like a good deal at a very good price when compared to similar bending forks, keys and coins. I will be ordering it.
Michael
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 8, 2011 03:34AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-07 15:19, magicinsight wrote:

It seems like a good deal at a very good price when compared to similar bending forks, keys and coins. I will be ordering it.
[/quote]

I too agree.

However I am still awaiting clarification on the following (for me this is important) :-

[quote]
On 2011-02-02 20:57, Ustaad wrote:

First: Since there are two props (gimmick nails) involved in the effect, I do hope that the manufacturers have taken special care to ensure that both the gimmick nails have their bends at the same (almost) position and at the same angle. This is not so, as seen in the demo vid.
[/quote]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: magicinsight (Feb 8, 2011 04:03AM)
Ustaad,

Comparing the two nails in the demo closely, it does appear that the bends are slightly different although that might be due to the camera angles. If they bends are slightly different the fact that the bent nail is dumped into the spectator's hand and is todl to close the hand so quickly, I do not think that a slight difference would be noticeable. But additional clarification would nevertheless be helpful.

Michael
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Feb 8, 2011 04:48AM)
Wouldn't you just go ahead and play them as different nails? Have 12 or 13 of them in a box...bend one. Take 'one of your old ones that someone else bent' and have them unbend that. No problem.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 8, 2011 04:59AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-07 23:48, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Wouldn't you just go ahead and play them as different nails? Have 12 or 13 of them in a box...bend one. Take 'one of your old ones that someone else bent' and have them unbend that. No problem.
[/quote]

Good thinking and great suggestion! Thank you.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Gaz Lawrence (Feb 8, 2011 07:36PM)
Can someone please clarify are the nails freezing cold to the touch by the spectator ? Has the technology been improved over earlier bending effects. Thanks for any help Gary
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 9, 2011 10:28AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-07 23:59, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-02-07 23:48, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
Wouldn't you just go ahead and play them as different nails? Have 12 or 13 of them in a box...bend one. Take 'one of your old ones that someone else bent' and have them unbend that. No problem.
[/quote]

Good thinking and great suggestion! Thank you.

:xmas:
[/quote]

Yeah that is great thinking Tom.....
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Feb 9, 2011 05:37PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-08 14:36, nanaswan wrote:
Can someone please clarify are the nails freezing cold to the touch by the spectator ? Has the technology been improved over earlier bending effects. Thanks for any help Gary
[/quote]

In the add it says it comes with a ice pack and a case to carry them in. Yes I would say it is cold to the spectator. I have the key that is done in the same way I would think. I don't have this but I would think its done the same way. But still this would be a great effect for what you are paying for. The key cost me 250.00 for the same effect as this. This one you get two for only 60.00 bucks. Not bad at all. Even if it feels cold to someone there are ways around that or don't let them handle it until after the bend. Then its warm.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Feb 10, 2011 05:03AM)
I'll have to admit that it's not a bad price considering you get two nails. Awaiting further reviews as to how the nails look and it all works out. As for the nail possibly feeling cold there is nothing that says you [i]have[/i] to have it in the spectators hand for the bend, and or the un-bend. As for the use of a glove as someone suggested that, to me, seems a tad extreme.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Feb 10, 2011 12:59PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-10 00:03, gaffed wrote:

* [b]As for the nail possibly feeling cold . . . .[/b]
[/quote]

One needn't worry about the metal being COLD. All one need to do is, heed to my suggestion of making an [b]Haunted Key[/b] by using the same technology used in "The Perfect Nail Bend" and Waala, you have a [b]REAL[/b] Haunted (Ghost) Key.

Initially the Key is seen BENT and is ICE-COLD - - - The key spookily straightens in the hands of the spectator - - - The Key then revolves in the hands of the performer. That's it - you have proved your powers & control over the HAUNTED KEY & the SPIRIT that controls THE KEY. ;)

And for the numerous suggestions on the Haunted Key (for the patter/ storyline as well as performance tips/ ideas), please click on the Devil -----> [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=299146&forum=14&start=0] :firedevil: [/url]

And with that you have a complete & perfect bizarre magic act.

Any takers :worry: :) ;)

[b]Back on topic please.[/b] Thank you! :)

:xmas:
P.S. Don’t forget to give me due credit for the idea. :) ;)
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Feb 10, 2011 04:47PM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-10 00:03, gaffed wrote:
I'll have to admit that it's not a bad price considering you get two nails. Awaiting further reviews as to how the nails look and it all works out. As for the nail possibly feeling cold there is nothing that says you [i]have[/i] to have it in the spectators hand for the bend, and or the un-bend. As for the use of a glove as someone suggested that, to me, seems a tad extreme.
[/quote]

that's what Iam saying. You don't have to have the spectators handle them. As far as what the nails look like? I don't think it would matter much. Nails allways look diff. Even if its the same color as the key or the coin. That color would look like a nail. 60 bucks for two would be a steel if its the same thing. But Iam with you on this. I would like to read some reviews 1st.
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Feb 10, 2011 04:57PM)
I'm thinking of looking out for this at Blackpool next week.

I'll report back when I've seen it/bought it.


Steve
Message: Posted by: mike storz (Feb 10, 2011 08:18PM)
Great! I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts Steve!
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Feb 11, 2011 04:33AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-10 11:47, nowyoucme wrote: As far as what the nails look like? I don't think it would matter much. Nails allways look diff.
[/quote]

True enough. I was thinking of the Elite Bending Coin which looked [i]horrible[/i] in the demo, and so it seems as did others who purchased it. Then again we are talking about a nail here which I don't think would be under as much scrutiny as a quarter. A nail can be shiny, dull or even a tad rusty looking. Still awaiting reviews from those who purchase it.
Message: Posted by: paw (Feb 11, 2011 09:11PM)
Hey Guys,
Patrick here,
I am the Product Specialist for Murphy's Magic Supplies. The Perfect Nails Look just like any other nail you would see in a Home Depot. The quality is fantastic and so is the price. I was never a fan of the "memory metal" products of the past but this set is THE BEST I have ever seen.

I hope this helps
- Patrick
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Feb 11, 2011 10:27PM)
OK I want one...or two!

Posted: Feb 11, 2011 5:31pm
I live in Phoenix and I am concerned about how the ambient temps in the Summer would affect the "effect." We get to 110 through much of the Summer here.

I realize you can carry the ice packs, etc. but curious how the hotter temps could potentially create an issue (or not) with this?
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 12, 2011 04:00AM)
South Texas the same. One reason I never got the bending k*y.
Message: Posted by: Jeff J. (Feb 12, 2011 10:52AM)
I was sent the Bending Key from the gentleman in Europe who designed it. Without going into detail, if the nail is made from the same material, there is no need for ice packs. There IS a certain something you can use that won't make the material used "ice cold", however I'm not even sure if the designers are aware of the alternative or if the material is slightly different in which case it woudnst respond to the simple item that can be purchased at most stores and does not need to be kept cold and be kept in a pocket. I'm looking forward to hearing whether this effect uses the same material or a chemically altered material.
Message: Posted by: mike storz (Feb 13, 2011 12:24AM)
[quote]
On 2011-02-11 17:31, saysold1 wrote:
I live in PHoenix and I am concerned about how the ambient temps in the Summer would affect the "effect." We get to 110 through much of the Summer here.

I realize you can carry the ice packs, etc but curious how the hotter temps could potentially create an issue (or not) with this?
[/quote]

I bet you could just have them hold the nail at the their finger tips, have them stare at it, and it would bend just from the AZ heat! Now that would be cool!

I travel to tucson quite often so if the reviews are good I'll be getting this for sure. I just need to know how well this travels in your pocket before it loses it's memory.

Mike :)
Message: Posted by: ReviewerMaster (Feb 13, 2011 11:33AM)
The price is honestly very fair. Everyone has a different taste and things they are comfortable performing. But with that price tag, it can't be wrong!
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Feb 23, 2011 03:48AM)
Updates anyone?
Message: Posted by: Stephen Young (Feb 23, 2011 09:10AM)
I was hoping to pick this up at Blackpool but couldn't find any dealer who had it.

Steve
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Feb 23, 2011 09:48AM)
Review needed here I think.

How long after the set up can it be done?

Is the cold temperature of the nail going to raise suspicion?

Once it's hot can it be bent back by the spec?

Great technology but I have doubts over the practicality of it.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (Mar 5, 2011 03:39AM)
I want to buy it, anyone have it already?
see it on PenguinMagic:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=S13109
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 7, 2011 01:10PM)
Regarding the hot/cold thing...well...

if you are able to melt a metal nail, coin or whatever else - maybe the metal SHOULD react or feel different after you've all focused your thoughts on it?

whether it feels hot or cold is a moot point, as long as your thought process behind it is clear...like when you physically bend a spoon, the neck will heat up - so when you use your mind...maybe it should be different?
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 7, 2011 04:30PM)
I noticed that Alakazam just posted this on the UK site for about 48 pounds - so I'm assuming Peter has played with this.

I would love to hear what Peter or his staff think of the Perfect Nail Bend...?
http://www.alakazam.co.uk/product-Perfect-Nail-Bend-Set.html
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Mar 7, 2011 04:52PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 08:10, IAIN wrote:
Regarding the hot/cold thing...well...

whether it feels hot or cold is a moot point, as long as your thought process behind it is clear...like when you physically bend a spoon, the neck will heat up - so when you use your mind...maybe it should be different?
[/quote]

I have to disagree. The issue isn't about it getting warmer, it is about how cold it feels initially. If you put a piece of metal in the spectator's hands with it ice cold, they are going to wonder why the metal is so cold. Whether it gets warmer feeling is the moot point.
Message: Posted by: James Knight (Mar 7, 2011 08:41PM)
Just got mine Saturday and performed it today (Monday)for some people at the coffee shop. Here is my quick review-
The nails look and feel completely real. The issue of tempurature is not a factor if you have any clue on how to present an effect. I am known for metal bending so this fits in with what I do anyway so there is not an issue of "hey, why do you have a nail with you?" The instructions for the effect are pretty vague, but they explain enough to get you thru it. The only two things I did not care for is the nail that starts straight and bends will not ever be perfectly straight when you start. The other small issue is the amount of time it takes to bend- be prepared to have a lot of patter ready, you are going to need it. Other than that, it's a great effect and great deal. I wish it was a little higher priced to keep it from exposure. (yes it's that cool)
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Mar 7, 2011 10:19PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 11:52, Paul Rathbun wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 08:10, IAIN wrote:
Regarding the hot/cold thing...well...

whether it feels hot or cold is a moot point, as long as your thought process behind it is clear...like when you physically bend a spoon, the neck will heat up - so when you use your mind...maybe it should be different?
[/quote]

I have to disagree. The issue isn't about it getting warmer, it is about how cold it feels initially. If you put a piece of metal in the spectator's hands with it ice cold, they are going to wonder why the metal is so cold. Whether it gets warmer feeling is the moot point.
[/quote]

each to their own!

if I bend a coin, my fingers blister... very rarely its been known for people to feel my hands suddenly drop in temperature from very warm to icy cold...and even to the extreme that it looks like I exhale smoke because my internal body temperature is so icy...

if you test my hands with thermometers I can even raise the temperature on one, and lower the temperature of the other at the same time...

I think its more about overall context rather than expectation...or rather, manage their expectations and tell them what and why something the way it is, then all is well...
Message: Posted by: Christopher Williams (Mar 9, 2011 09:02AM)
How long is the reset on this? I.e. Is this going to be in the table hoppers reportoire? And if so, what justification could you have for randomly bringing a nail out in this sort of setting?
Message: Posted by: chris_johnson_au (Mar 10, 2011 06:47AM)
When I bend a coin in a spectator's hand (no switches) which is from their own spare pocket change, I can let them keep that coin as a souvenir.

I mean the Australian coins too which are a little harder to bend than a US coin.

I am not certain this effect has the same value for me to justify the price.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Mar 10, 2011 02:18PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 17:19, IAIN wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 11:52, Paul Rathbun wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 08:10, IAIN wrote:
Regarding the hot/cold thing...well...

whether it feels hot or cold is a moot point, as long as your thought process behind it is clear...like when you physically bend a spoon, the neck will heat up - so when you use your mind...maybe it should be different?
[/quote]

I have to disagree. The issue isn't about it getting warmer, it is about how cold it feels initially. If you put a piece of metal in the spectator's hands with it ice cold, they are going to wonder why the metal is so cold. Whether it gets warmer feeling is the moot point.
[/quote]

each to their own!

if I bend a coin, my fingers blister... very rarely its been known for people to feel my hands suddenly drop in temperature from very warm to icy cold...and even to the extreme that it looks like I exhale smoke because my internal body temperature is so icy...

if you test my hands with thermometers I can even raise the temperature on one, and lower the temperature of the other at the same time...

I think its more about overall context rather than expectation...or rather, manage their expectations and tell them what and why something the way it is, then all is well...
[/quote]

Even if you have special abilities to raise and lower your body temperature on "VERY RARE" occasions, what does that have to do with the average person performing this effect? That is the issue I was bringing up.

When normal people (without your abilities) perform this nail effect the nail will be icy cold and they will wonder why. I don't have special abilities to raise or lower my body temperature as you claim to. Most people do not have this special ability you claim to have and the issue will arise of the spectator wondering why the nail is so icy cold if they are allowed to touch it.
Message: Posted by: Autumn Morning Star (Mar 10, 2011 04:31PM)
I also want to know more. Just remember to put this in your CHECKED LUGGAGE! You don't want TSA keeping this effect for themselves!
Message: Posted by: ahofer (Mar 11, 2011 01:01PM)
OK, I just got mine last night, and here's some first impressions: It's good, and after practice and integration into a routine, I expect it to be a mind-blower. My first criticism, however, is the incomplete instructions -- one page printed one side, with instructions on setting up ONE of the two nails, but ignoring the other (it turns out that the setup for the other is the EXACT opposite of the first). There IS setup involved, which you have to do within 20 minutes of performance, and you will NOT be able to do this repeatedly in a walkaround situation, unless you can leave the room for at least 5 minutes to reset. Also, be prepared for the fact that the bends will happen SLOWLY, so prepare your presentation for this fact. I think that a very slow bend (or unbend) may actually be very impressive for the audience, especially if it happens in the spectator's hand. The nails look and feel great, but do NOT invite the spectators to try bending the nail as seen in the video demo -- the instructions warn against doing so at room temperature for fear of breaking the nail! In the video, the magician invites a spectator to try bending the nail and says "you can't bend it, right?" Wrong. You CAN, and if you try you'll note it seems "springy" in a way no ordinary nail would. So don't. Like most great effects, it will require some work to give the strongest presentation, but it will be well worth the time and cost.
Message: Posted by: ahofer (Mar 11, 2011 04:14PM)
Here's another update: if it's not too hot, you DON'T need to keep the nails on ice after setup. I just did the setup again a while ago, and then laid both nails on the table and left them alone to see what happens as they come up to room temperature (high 60s F). So far it's been at least 30 minutes and neither one has "moved" yet. This means that you can get around the spectator feeling extreme cold. But it also means they WON'T bend by themselves on the table, you HAVE to have some body heat to get the bends going.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 11, 2011 08:38PM)
I just got mine yesterday, and have to tell ya, that the quality for that price is good. the only problem is to get the nail that bends really straight. the tube that they deliver is to big for the nail, so it is not possible to get the nail that bends really propper straight. it works better if you try to straighten it with your fingers. I will try to make a hole in a strong piece of wood to get a perfect tunnel with the thikkness of the nail.

I let you know if it works

best wishes
rasmus
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 11, 2011 08:49PM)
Orry

I forgot to mention: if you bent the one nail right, it looks absolutely the same as the other.
Message: Posted by: ahofer (Mar 11, 2011 10:34PM)
Ok, here's a problem. After a few test runs, the nail that's supposed to straighten itself no longer gets completely straight. Not sure why, the nail that bends still works fine. I'm not sure if I need to try removing the bend in the straight nail while the nails are warm or what. Maybe I overbent it when doing the setup, I'm not sure. Anybody else have this problem?
Message: Posted by: Zaprig1 (Mar 12, 2011 06:50PM)
I ALMOST clicked Add To Cart!!! Glad I checked here first! In my email from Penguin...pretty misleading:

Professionals: You actually get 2 separate devices. One that bends and one that straightens. Reset is fast and easy -- no wrestling moves needed ;) And no, the nails don't need to be hot or cold when handed out -- just room temperature. It's easy to learn, very portable and could easily be your new headline effect. "Perfect Nail Bend" is a true game changer. If you're into Psychokinesis, you won't ever want to leave home without it. Wowza. Acar Altinsel
Message: Posted by: jtmorris (Mar 12, 2011 10:36PM)
This seems like a product that would work well, but in my experience, whenever I bend metal (quarters, spoons, forks, knives), people almost always ask if it's heat that makes it bend. This is their first line of thinking, because it makes sense to them.
Sure you could sell it, but they will guess right more often than not.
Message: Posted by: Lloyd_SG (Mar 13, 2011 08:50AM)
Is this effect practical for walk around in restaurant?
Message: Posted by: joseph (Mar 13, 2011 11:25AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-13 04:50, Lloyd_SG wrote:
Is this effect practical for walk around in restaurant?
[/quote]

or maybe Home Depot?...
Message: Posted by: Zaprig1 (Mar 13, 2011 07:02PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-13 07:25, joseph wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-13 04:50, Lloyd_SG wrote:
Is this effect practical for walk around in restaurant?
[/quote]

or maybe Home Depot?...
[/quote]

You "NAILED" it Joseph!!! ;)
Message: Posted by: joseph (Mar 14, 2011 10:33AM)
I reached a new Lowes on that one...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 16, 2011 06:01AM)
Any more reviews of feedback from owners?

I'm totally on the fence with this one. The "springy" comments give me slight pause, and the fact I live in Phoenix also makes me wonder how well this will hold up.
Message: Posted by: learachel (Mar 16, 2011 12:04PM)
Don't buy it! it is not practical at all! $ 60 to the trash! how we can sell such nonsense!
Message: Posted by: roblane (Mar 16, 2011 01:52PM)
Again, don't buy it. Simply no way they will pass for real, too easy to bend. I understand some dealers have reported issues with them
Message: Posted by: majura1 (Mar 17, 2011 12:01AM)
A very crappy trick do not waste your money.
I can't get them to do anything here in Australia. They aren't easy to bend --infact I can't even fully straighten the bent one and the straight one won't fully straighten anymore now that I have bent it. I even put it in my warm armpit to see if it would straighten and it is still bent.
This is the worst trick I have bought since buying firefall from M Blair.
The one page of insructions was not helpful and it did not come with a DVD.They do look like real nails but who wants to pay 60 bucks for two nails. Very disappointing trick.
DON'T BUY. Also impractical for walkaround.
Message: Posted by: majura1 (Mar 17, 2011 12:15AM)
I just heated it up with a hair dryer and it doesn't go back--so much for memory---- Maybe I got a dud set ---I am sending mine back to hank lee for a refund. Its a big Buyer beware.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 17, 2011 12:31AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-16 20:15, majura1 wrote:
I just heated it up with a hair dryer and it doesn't go back--so much for memory---- Maybe I got a dud set ---I am sending mine back to hank lee for a refund. Its a big Buyer beware.
[/quote]

YIKES!!!!

Well the reviews are coming in fast and furious - the expectations were high - and... sigh...sounded a bit too good to be true.

The promo videos showed street kids rather than adults - hmmmm
Message: Posted by: Shanlip (Mar 17, 2011 03:27AM)
Just got mine today will post when I have had a play with them.
Message: Posted by: wingz (Mar 17, 2011 09:56PM)
To work around the nail being cold.

May be between the bend and restore ... add Adam Grace's Froze effect in between (using the nail instead of the coin).

Hmmm ... Two impractical tricks add together makes a practical or more impractical trick?
Message: Posted by: ahofer (Mar 18, 2011 11:00AM)
I had high hopes.... the nail that bends itself still works ok, and I plan to use it in conjunction with a Liquid Metal routine, but the nail that's supposed to straighten out doesn't anymore, and now I can't rebend it either after chilling it!
Message: Posted by: Lou Cirulli (Mar 18, 2011 03:55PM)
Glad I didn't waste my money on what seems like a huge piece of ****!
Message: Posted by: Peter Nardi (Mar 18, 2011 04:57PM)
Hi Guys,

As soon as we had a chance to try this out we realised it did have drawbacks and proptly removed it from our site.

Regards

Peter
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 18, 2011 05:23PM)
THE "IMPERFECT" NAIL BEND.

I'm sticking with my QB2 and Flexion - the only way to fly.

Thanks Peter for the comment too - your nose for quality & integrity remains unrivaled.
Message: Posted by: paw (Mar 18, 2011 09:44PM)
Hey Guys,
Patrick here, from Murphy’s Magic Supplies.
I have looked at the instructions for the Perfect Bending nail by Katto and they are (were) definitely lacking instruction. The instructions have been rewritten. They will be available from the dealer you purchased your PNB from.

Also, I have read a few negative reviews on the product. I have tested many of the PNB and have had no problems. I might recommend using “dust off” to get the nails cold if for some reason the ice water is not working for you.

Perfect Nail Bend is a fantastic effect! The product itself is made very well and the price is very low compared to other memory metals. The only criticism I have is that the instructions were not well done. We now have new instructions as well as a very short video instruction coming. There is no performance with this effect. However, I don’t feel that is necessarily a bad thing. I see so many magic enthusiasts performing an effect exactly how it was performed on the DVD they purchased. With Perfect Nail Bend you receive the “tools” to perform a miracle and presentation is left up to you. Just like in the old days. LOL

Please keep in mind; if a spectator puts enough force behind it they CAN bend the nail. They can also bend a fork, spoon, knife, or ANY other metal item magicians and mentalists have been using to boast their powers for years. You are bending this solid piece of metal in the spectator’s hands with your mind. That in itself is a miracle…

I hope this helps!
Patrick
Message: Posted by: Zaprig1 (Mar 19, 2011 02:05AM)
Dunno kids. I simply LOVE gimmicks...I couldn't WAIT to get my paws on Phork wanting to use it to finish my SOH bending routine and couldn't have been more disappointed, so I'm just not going to get "phorked again" with this "technology"...even if it's that much cheaper. Kudos to the ones that make good of it...but I do hope that it doesn't give metal bending a bad name.

By the time this stuff gets done doing what it's "supposed" to phorkin' do (fairly quickly as seen in the vids) I can do 10 phorkin' killer tried and true sleights and phork everyone's phorkin' faces off...with my plain ole' forks...LOL!
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 19, 2011 03:04AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-18 17:44, paw wrote:
Hey Guys,
Patrick here, from Murphy’s Magic Supplies.
I have looked at the instructions for the Perfect Bending nail by Katto and they are (were) definitely lacking instruction. The instructions have been rewritten. They will be available from the dealer you purchased your PNB from.

Also, I have read a few negative reviews on the product. I have tested many of the PNB and have had no problems. I might recommend using “dust off” to get the nails cold if for some reason the ice water is not working for you.

Perfect Nail Bend is a fantastic effect! The product itself is made very well and the price is very low compared to other memory metals. The only criticism I have is that the instructions were not well done. We now have new instructions as well as a very short video instruction coming. There is no performance with this effect. However, I don’t feel that is necessarily a bad thing. I see so many magic enthusiasts performing an effect exactly how it was performed on the DVD they purchased. With Perfect Nail Bend you receive the “tools” to perform a miracle and presentation is left up to you. Just like in the old days. LOL

Please keep in mind; if a spectator puts enough force behind it they CAN bend the nail. They can also bend a fork, spoon, knife, or ANY other metal item magicians and mentalists have been using to boast their powers for years. You are bending this solid piece of metal in the spectator’s hands with your mind. That in itself is a miracle…

I hope this helps!
Patrick
[/quote]

Patrick-

Thanks for the response but honestly you sound like a Salmon swimming against the river. If Nardi pulled it you guys may want to take a closer look - reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff.
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Mar 19, 2011 11:10AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-18 23:04, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-18 17:44, paw wrote:
Hey Guys,
Patrick here, from Murphy’s Magic Supplies.
I have looked at the instructions for the Perfect Bending nail by Katto and they are (were) definitely lacking instruction. The instructions have been rewritten. They will be available from the dealer you purchased your PNB from.

Also, I have read a few negative reviews on the product. I have tested many of the PNB and have had no problems. I might recommend using “dust off” to get the nails cold if for some reason the ice water is not working for you.

Perfect Nail Bend is a fantastic effect! The product itself is made very well and the price is very low compared to other memory metals. The only criticism I have is that the instructions were not well done. We now have new instructions as well as a very short video instruction coming. There is no performance with this effect. However, I don’t feel that is necessarily a bad thing. I see so many magic enthusiasts performing an effect exactly how it was performed on the DVD they purchased. With Perfect Nail Bend you receive the “tools” to perform a miracle and presentation is left up to you. Just like in the old days. LOL

Please keep in mind; if a spectator puts enough force behind it they CAN bend the nail. They can also bend a fork, spoon, knife, or ANY other metal item magicians and mentalists have been using to boast their powers for years. You are bending this solid piece of metal in the spectator’s hands with your mind. That in itself is a miracle…

I hope this helps!
Patrick
[/quote]

Patrick-

Thanks for the response but honestly you sound like a Salmon swimming against the river. If Nardi pulled it you guys may want to take a closer look - reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff.
[/quote]

Hi Guys,
I have to say right up front that our initial reaction on receiving this product into stock was not great.

However, we set a couple of DEM units up for the shop and we have all been playing with this for the last 6 days. It works very well and customers who have had it demonstrated to them in the shop have been very impressed with the wow factor of the effect. Either straight nail bending in their own hands or similarly a bent nail which straightens in their own hands.

You get two M****y Me**l gimmicks which are well made and a set of almost useless instructions which caused confusion to our customers who recieved pre-orders for the product. However we immediately brought this problem up with the producers via MMS who have now produced proper instructions for the effect. In addition, we have filmed a short companion DVD to go along with the product if you have had it fom our shop. Next week, we will be sending the new instructions and DVD to all customers who purchased from our shop or websites.

It is also reviewed up close and personal on next weeks Wizard Product Review which was filmed yesterday. If you haven't already got this and are sitting on the fence or even off the other side, please watch next week's show where you will see it performed and have it reviewed by Dave and Craig.

My own opinion of the product is that you get two value for money gimmicks plus a couple of extras to carry them in the right conditions. It could be a great item to mix in with your metal bending routines with coins, forks etc. On wednesday I had my gimmicks set up for over 45 minutes in my jacket pocket and they caused a wow in the bar where I used them with two different specs. I believe that if the producers had thought through the initial product launch, we would not be having these discussions here on the Café.

Please don't kill a product guys just because the instructions are pants. Just because one dealer takes a product off the shelf it doesn't make it a bad product.

That is my 10 cents worth. Have a great weekend
Jim
Message: Posted by: Matthew U (Mar 19, 2011 03:51PM)
Hi Guys ,
My thoughts are that the perfect nail bend is good and is not as bad as people think it is because of the instructions . I myself have been playing around with this for a couple of days now and it gets get reactions . I personally do both parts of the routine where you show the straight nail and then bend it and then you bend it back . Also as Jaz2005 said , you can leave this in your jacket pocket for about 45 minutes to an hour and it will stay perfect . I think it is worth the money . Hope this helps , Matthew
Message: Posted by: Zaprig1 (Mar 20, 2011 10:55PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-18 13:23, saysold1 wrote:
THE "IMPERFECT" NAIL BEND.

I'm sticking with my QB2 and Flexion - the only way to fly.

Thanks Peter for the comment too - your nose for quality & integrity remains unrivaled.
[/quote]

And...I'm flying with saysold1. QB2 will forever be a part of my bit!

Happy mind bending all!
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 21, 2011 11:49AM)
MY FIRST EVER MESSAGE ON THE MAGIC Café.

I feel like it's time for me to speak.................. honestly.

Only buy this product, if you're a fool for false advertising like me, have 50 quid to throw down the drain (like me) and want to waste your time messing around with a trick that simply doesn't work.
That was my opinion one week ago.... and hasn't changed much. Firstly, of course, the instructions are an absolute disgrace. I know that some stores have worked to improve this, but how any product worth this much money can be shipped with 1 lame piece of paper is absolutely beyond me. I thought my box had been split open and disbanded in the post. Awful presentation of a trick......... the worst I've ever seen.

As for the trick itself......... what a huge dissapointment. I haven't been this dissapointed in a trick since I purchased Gumslinger.
Simply, no matter what you say or do, ONE OF THE NAILS just DOES NOT WORK. The 'straight one' will NEVER EVER bend back straight, it's permanently at a 45 degree angle - HEATING will not reset it. SIMPLY, this nail is useless, and can only have some effect if you manage to bend it back on itself in a U shape. Bear in mind, this is dangerous, and I ended up hitting myself in the eye with the nail which sprang up. Not good at all.

The BENT NAIL? Okay.... I've actually managed to get this working, not great, but satisfactory. Firstly, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH you can bed the nails with ICE water. No way at all. Anyone who says you can has a different set to me. The only way to bend the nail is to SPRAY IT with AIR DUSTER. You know, what you use to spray in between your keyboards? Costs about £10 from Maplin, PC World etc. Simply tip it upside down, spray, and you'll have liquid C02 - cold. Spray the nail, and it WILL BE COLD ENOUGH to bend straight with your fingers!!!!!!!!! Finally! And easily! This is the only way to get the nail cold enough to bend... Trust me. The bad news is, you'll only have about 4 minutes before the nail will start to bend back again in room temperature...... but if you manage to put it in a spectators hand in time....... YOU CAN HAVE A DECENT TRICK. Just don't let them examine it first, as it will bend straight away under the heat of their fingers.

Thanks to Liquid C02, I've managed to get ONE NAIL working okay, and I will use it now and again. Unfortunately, this trick is ridiculously impractical, and impossible to take anywhere, as you have to carry a MASSIVE AIR DUSTER AROUND WITH YOU. Ask me, I almost got arrested trying to take it into a pub at the weekend,,, bouncers thinking I was going to blow the place to bits. It's a real shame.


Overall.......... if you haven't already brought this product, DON'T! If you have, follow my advice.... discard the straight nail as it doesn't work and keep the bent one. You'll have to use LIQUID COOLANT to get it cold enough to bend............... and even then, it's not practical. But, you can have a bit of fun with it.

Don't listen to anyone involved with the product who tries to defend this. They are either lying to get your money and save face, or have DIFFERENT NAILS to the ones I got! Probably both.

I might sound harsh, but I feel it's my job to speak the truth, in my first ever post. Ask yourselves this....... I've been looking on these forums for a whole year, why has this ONE PRODUCT made me passionate enough to post?

I look forward to seeing Penn and Petty rip this apart on Wednesday!

The Imperfect Nail bend. Perfection has never looked like such a lie.

Yours nailed,

MBlegend
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 21, 2011 01:14PM)
Thanks for the passionate and honest review - again - yikes!

The real yikes will be what I suspect from Petty and Penn to be a glowing review and (lord help us) "worker of the week." Maybe I'm wrong. If they do rave about PNB it will only add to the confusion of a product that obviously wasn't ready for prime time.
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Mar 21, 2011 01:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-21 07:49, MBlegend wrote:
MY FIRST EVER MESSAGE ON THE MAGIC Café.

I feel like it's time for me to speak.................. honestly.

Only buy this product, if you're a fool for false advertising like me, have 50 quid to throw down the drain (like me) and want to waste your time messing around with a trick that simply doesn't work.
That was my opinion one week ago.... and hasn't changed much. Firstly, of course, the instructions are an absolute disgrace. I know that some stores have worked to improve this, but how any product worth this much money can be shipped with 1 lame piece of paper is absolutely beyond me. I thought my box had been split open and disbanded in the post. Awful presentation of a trick......... the worst I've ever seen.

As for the trick itself......... what a huge dissapointment. I haven't been this dissapointed in a trick since I purchased Gumslinger.
Simply, no matter what you say or do, ONE OF THE NAILS just DOES NOT WORK. The 'straight one' will NEVER EVER bend back straight, it's permanently at a 45 degree angle - HEATING will not reset it. SIMPLY, this nail is useless, and can only have some effect if you manage to bend it back on itself in a U shape. Bear in mind, this is dangerous, and I ended up hitting myself in the eye with the nail which sprang up. Not good at all.

The BENT NAIL? Okay.... I've actually managed to get this working, not great, but satisfactory. Firstly, THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH you can bed the nails with ICE water. No way at all. Anyone who says you can has a different set to me. The only way to bend the nail is to SPRAY IT with AIR DUSTER. You know, what you use to spray in between your keyboards? Costs about £10 from Maplin, PC World etc. Simply tip it upside down, spray, and you'll have liquid C02 - cold. Spray the nail, and it WILL BE COLD ENOUGH to bend straight with your fingers!!!!!!!!! Finally! And easily! This is the only way to get the nail cold enough to bend... Trust me. The bad news is, you'll only have about 4 minutes before the nail will start to bend back again in room temperature...... but if you manage to put it in a spectators hand in time....... YOU CAN HAVE A DECENT TRICK. Just don't let them examine it first, as it will bend straight away under the heat of their fingers.

Thanks to Liquid C02, I've managed to get ONE NAIL working okay, and I will use it now and again. Unfortunately, this trick is ridiculously impractical, and impossible to take anywhere, as you have to carry a MASSIVE AIR DUSTER AROUND WITH YOU. Ask me, I almost got arrested trying to take it into a pub at the weekend,,, bouncers thinking I was going to blow the place to bits. It's a real shame.


Overall.......... if you haven't already brought this product, DON'T! If you have, follow my advice.... discard the straight nail as it doesn't work and keep the bent one. You'll have to use LIQUID COOLANT to get it cold enough to bend............... and even then, it's not practical. But, you can have a bit of fun with it.

Don't listen to anyone involved with the product who tries to defend this. They are either lying to get your money and save face, or have DIFFERENT NAILS to the ones I got! Probably both.

I might sound harsh, but I feel it's my job to speak the truth, in my first ever post. Ask yourselves this....... I've been looking on these forums for a whole year, why has this ONE PRODUCT made me passionate enough to post?

I look forward to seeing Penn and Petty rip this apart on Wednesday!

The Imperfect Nail bend. Perfection has never looked like such a lie.

Yours nailed,

MBlegend
[/quote]

I suggest that you return yours as it seems that you have a faulty set.
We have played with this continually and both nails work just as they should. If you bought it from us, just contact us for a replacement set. If not, contact the dealer who supplied it to you.

Your comments seem really unfair and to call people liars who have fully working sets is just not on. Many customers have seen this demonstarted in our shop and gone away happy with the purchase.

Perhaps you are trying to straighten out the wrong nail????
regards
Jim
Message: Posted by: majura1 (Mar 21, 2011 01:43PM)
Obviously the quality control is not good as both of my nails do not work at all and I would never dream of saying it is not working for others. The instructions were so poor I am still not convinced that I am performing it correctly. I can bend the nails but they do not bend back on their own. I still have two bent nails staring at me---not very magical----do I have to flick as switch or something --as heat makes no difference.
I will have to send them back to be checked by someone who knows how the effect should work. Video instructions would have been nice.
Phil
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 21, 2011 01:58PM)
Hiya Jim mate,

Thanks for the reply.

Nothing personal. Just a heart on sleeve review.

Sorry if it seemed unfair, I did warn of my harshness within the post, but all I can do is give my honest opinion of the product.

I didn't call 'people who have fully working sets liars' - I was suggesting that the people involved with the creation of the product have marketed a product that doesn't consistently work. I've spoken to many people and they all have the same problems as me. It's about 5-1 people who have bad sets vs people who have good sets. It's nothing against stores themselves, just people like P______ who come on here raving about it being FANTASTIC, when clearly, across the board it's not for most. Perhaps they didn't test their prototypes enough... I don't know.

Thanks so much for your suggestion and offer to replace the 'faulty product'. You guys are fantastic at WMS, I mean, out and out outstanding on customer service and support. I don't really need to have it replaced, as I'm actually fine with what I have - being able to bend the one Nail, albeit with my own method. As I've said, I'm still able to have fun with it now I've got it. - I bought it afterall.

Thing is though, what can the product creators expect when they don't supply any useful instructions and video proof of it ACTUALLY working? I myself work in Advertising, and I'm astonished this could ever go out as it is!

Hmmmm

Best regards

Legend
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 21, 2011 02:10PM)
SORRY, I THINK I GOT THE WRONG PERSON IN THE ABOVE POST! NOT P________ AT ALL! STUPID ME!
PLEASE IGNORE!!!! Sorry for wrongly accusing anyone of lying! Really. Ignore that bit, listen to the rest.
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Mar 21, 2011 03:40PM)
Some bad reviews some OK. But mostly bad. Glad I never bought this. I have the key and it works great but it also cost 250.00. The nail bend is only 60.00 bucks. You think its a great deal but from what I read. You get what you pay for. A effect that's half a_ _ good. Sometimes works. Takes a long time to work so work on your patter. don't reset fast. Ya not for me. Thanks guys for putting up reviews.
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Mar 21, 2011 04:24PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-21 09:58, MBlegend wrote:
Hiya Jim mate,

Thanks for the reply.

Nothing personal. Just a heart on sleeve review.

Sorry if it seemed unfair, I did warn of my harshness within the post, but all I can do is give my honest opinion of the product.

I didn't call 'people who have fully working sets liars' - I was suggesting that the people involved with the creation of the product have marketed a product that doesn't consistently work. I've spoken to many people and they all have the same problems as me. It's about 5-1 people who have bad sets vs people who have good sets. It's nothing against stores themselves, just people like P______ who come on here raving about it being FANTASTIC, when clearly, across the board it's not for most. Perhaps they didn't test their prototypes enough... I don't know.

Thanks so much for your suggestion and offer to replace the 'faulty product'. You guys are fantastic at WMS, I mean, out and out outstanding on customer service and support. I don't really need to have it replaced, as I'm actually fine with what I have - being able to bend the one Nail, albeit with my own method. As I've said, I'm still able to have fun with it now I've got it. - I bought it afterall.

Thing is though, what can the product creators expect when they don't supply any useful instructions and video proof of it ACTUALLY working? I myself work in Advertising, and I'm astonished this could ever go out as it is!

Hmmmm

Best regards

Legend
[/quote]

Hi Legend
We now have new comprehensive instuctions for this along with a companion DVD which we have made for our customers.

I have sent you one of each in the mail today.

If you still have problems just give us a call and we will sort it out.
best regards
jim
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 21, 2011 07:42PM)
This thread has certainly convinced me not to buy this product. Perhaps it needs a bit more R&D, it seems a lot of folks are more than unhappy with their purchase.
As there are some awesome metal bending techniques out there, I feel a product like this should only be released if it's 100%. If it was totally reliable, it might be a great climax to a series of bending effects - but sadly it appears not to be so.
My suggestion to those interested in this is to learn some of the standard methods first, and just maybe you'll never need a high-tech product to do all the work for you. I still remember Ali Bongo bending my Dad's spare housekey in about 1971. We SAW the key bend in his hand (or thought we did at least). And it WAS his key - he got it back bent, and it stayed like that for ever more.
For my money, a much stronger effect, as it's done with a spectator's object. Not quite sure how Ali would have handled it if no one had a spare key on them - but I guess he'd have moved on to something else, or used a key of his own.
I'm afraid there are evident limitations to this effect, and combined with it's reported unreliability, it would be a fool who'd part with his cash instead of deciding to take on the (relatively simple) traditional handlings.
Message: Posted by: Tim Trono (Mar 22, 2011 02:40AM)
Hi guys.

I originally got a sample of The Perfect Nail Bend prior to its release and was quite impressed with the quality. It was one of the few items of this genre that I felt truly looked like what it was supposed to be... especially at the price. The price point blew me away as I had been working with another vendor on an item in this genre and it was 5 or 6 times the price and there were, once again, problems with the look. I have seen several items along these lines that just looked "funny". We got a few units, played with them, and they were great.

The order came and went out while I was away working on a project and I started seeing a few complaints come in the office by people I respect such as Jim. I immediately asked them to scan and send me a copy of the instructions.. . huge problem. I had played with it enough to know what I was doing and even I found it cryptic and a bit confusing.

I immediately set to work to write new revised instructions and we got them out that day. It's a shame when an amazing item comes out and either the packaging, the instructions, or some other aspect is not to quite on par. Not only does it hurt consumers, but it actually hurts the manufacturer as it simply doesn't do as well.

I have played with half a dozen units or more and not had one issue. The prop itself (2) is very well made. The same cannot be said of the initial instructions or packaging.

Obviously with any product including DVDs, books, etc. there ARE defective units. I've seen books come in where a few copies are printed upside down as an example But if one chooses to overlook this due to the instructions they are truly missing out, in my opinion. There are tons of new magic tricks so if you pass you pass and you will find other great items. However if you have an interest in metal bending like I do this is very good. It allows you to either visibly and slowly have a nail bend or unbend/straighten.

I have written up new instructions and those have been sent out as the instructions that were initially with it were simply not thorough or clear as noted. It took me a couple of hours to piece together the proper instructions based on playing with it a lot (it's not hard at all... one issue is that if you do it incorrectly as the revised instructions note, you can damage it- but this is the case with almost any item you buy). You should have seen me sitting there in my hotel room miming this from memory and typing away. Anyway, we can find good and bad in almost anything that hits the market in any area. But at the price and quality of the props I was impressed.

It's a shame that the poor instructions and possibly the unintended misuse of it because of those instructions by a few may have negatively impacted this a bit. If your dealer does not have the new instructions we can easily e-mail them a copy. Just wanted to give my two cents from someone who has seen this, tried a number of units, etc. You should feel comfortable in what you buy and decide not to buy but you should make the decision with accurate information. Hope this helps.

Tim
Message: Posted by: majura1 (Mar 22, 2011 03:27AM)
I just sent mine back so I will see what happens and let you all know if it's something I did wrong due to the poor instructions. I really want this to be a reliable effect and as a professional magician reliability is more important than cost. Consistency is also important---there is nothing in the instructions to tell you how long these gimmicks will work for or whether they have a shelf life
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 22, 2011 04:16AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-21 22:40, Tim Trono wrote:
Hi guys.

I originally got a sample of The Perfect Nail Bend prior to its release and was quite impressed with the quality. It was one of the few items of this genre that I felt truly looked like what it was supposed to be... especially at the price. The price point blew me away as I had been working with another vendor on an item in this genre and it was 5 or 6 times the price and there were, once again, problems with the look. I have seen several items along these lines that just looked "funny". We got a few units, played with them, and they were great.

The order came and went out while I was away working on a project and I started seeing a few complaints come in the office by people I respect such as Jim. I immediately asked them to scan and send me a copy of the instructions.. . huge problem. I had played with it enough to know what I was doing and even I found it cryptic and a bit confusing.

I immediately set to work to write new revised instructions and we got them out that day. It's a shame when an amazing item comes out and either the packaging, the instructions, or some other aspect is not to quite on par. Not only does it hurt consumers, but it actually hurts the manufacturer as it simply doesn't do as well.

I have played with half a dozen units or more and not had one issue. The prop itself (2) is very well made. The same cannot be said of the initial instructions or packaging.

Obviously with any product including DVDs, books, etc. there ARE defective units. I've seen books come in where a few copies are printed upside down as an example But if one chooses to overlook this due to the instructions they are truly missing out, in my opinion. There are tons of new magic tricks so if you pass you pass and you will find other great items. However if you have an interest in metal bending like I do this is very good. It allows you to either visibly and slowly have a nail bend or unbend/straighten.

I have written up new instructions and those have been sent out as the instructions that were initially with it were simply not thorough or clear as noted. It took me a couple of hours to piece together the proper instructions based on playing with it a lot (it's not hard at all... one issue is that if you do it incorrectly as the revised instructions note, you can damage it- but this is the case with almost any item you buy). You should have seen me sitting there in my hotel room miming this from memory and typing away. Anyway, we can find good and bad in almost anything that hits the market in any area. But at the price and quality of the props I was impressed.

It's a shame that the poor instructions and possibly the unintended misuse of it because of those instructions by a few may have negatively impacted this a bit. If your dealer does not have the new instructions we can easily e-mail them a copy. Just wanted to give my two cents from someone who has seen this, tried a number of units, etc. You should feel comfortable in what you buy and decide not to buy but you should make the decision with accurate information. Hope this helps.

Tim
[/quote]

Tim-

It was very nice of you to clarify and respond here. Who knows, in time and with proper tweaking of the instructions, it's possible that the Perfect Nail Bend may yet live up to massively high expectations.

I guess my main question is... why the #1 magic distributor in the United States allowed this product out the doors with such poor instructions in the first place?

To me it's like going to a restaurant that messes up on opening night - I might go back, but it's even more likely that I won't and I will probably go out of my way to tell friends to avoid the place.

The people who read the posts on the Café can at least help each other in these situations.

Murphy's has a reputation for quality - so standing behind the product as you stated above is admirable.
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 22, 2011 10:41AM)
Jim... You guys are the best . Really appreciate this. Sorry if my post sounded bad... I should think before I open my mouth... As my mom's always said. It's not the dealers fault some products are made dodgy...

You are always my store in Brum!

Best regards

Mark
Message: Posted by: magicreviews (Mar 22, 2011 04:51PM)
Wow. I sure wish I came here first before ordering mine. I recently traded in some old, unused equipment at Abbott's and had them send me The Perfect Nail Bend as part of my store credit. I started playing with the nails last night, both with ice water and Dust Off, and frankly, I was not impressed.

I could not get the bent nail to straighten properly in the setting tube, and I could not get the straight nail to bend. The instructions are pathetic. While they look like real nails, and $60 for two gimmicked nails is a great price, if they don't work as advertised in the demo videos, the effect is a waste of money.

The instructions aren't just poor -- they are pathetic. I asked Tim to send me a copy of the revised instructions to see if I could salvage the trick. I had very high aspirations for using this in my strolling or parlor performances, but this thing really bites the big one, fellas. A waste of $60. eBay here we come ...
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Mar 22, 2011 08:44PM)
I'm happy to say I have had no problems with my PNB... I'v used it half a dozen times performing now, and I don't know how many times just playing around with it. It does have an awesome wow factor, and no one has yet thought the temperature of the nail was suspicious... Setup time is minutes, using the right method, and it lasts a fair amount of time (30mins+) with the provided pack and bag, although I DID leave it for just under an hour on the weekend and it still worked fine. Oh, and it does not take ages to take effect, I use it in the spectators hands.

On a side note, not to sound sexist, the 'omg' reactions from woman is great.
Message: Posted by: paw (Mar 22, 2011 09:22PM)
SAYSOLD WROTE;
"reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff."
I agree...

Just out of curiosity, Have you worked with the nails? If not, I would envite you to check them out yourself and give a review here on the Café.

Best to all,
Patrick
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Mar 22, 2011 11:07PM)
Just thought I'd take a few secs to make a bid to show how quick the effect can be. This is not a performance, merely a demo of the brilliance of how this can be done in a spec's hands.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150437339745467&comments&ref=notif¬if_t=video_comment
Message: Posted by: Paul Richards (Mar 22, 2011 11:25PM)
If you're interested in another perspective. You might want to read this...

http://blog.elmwoodmagic.com/content/perfect-nail-bend
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 22, 2011 11:37PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 17:22, paw wrote:
SAYSOLD WROTE;
"reputations matter and people here at the Café remember this stuff."
I agree...

Just out of curiosity, Have you worked with the nails? If not, I would envite you to check them out yourself and give a review here on the Café.

Best to all,
Patrick
[/quote]

No I don't own a PNB... but the fact that the units were sent out with inadequate instructions is what I'm referring to. You can read here the results of the ommission/oversight.
Message: Posted by: mr. wolf (Mar 23, 2011 03:10AM)
Thanks for the info Paul!!!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 23, 2011 03:22AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 19:25, Paul Richards wrote:
If you're interested in another perspective. You might want to read this...

http://blog.elmwoodmagic.com/content/perfect-nail-bend
[/quote]

Paul Richards, thank you for the interesting link.

[b]I don't have the Perfect Nail.[/b]

After reading the interesting link referred by Paul Richards, it [b]seems to ME[/b] that the problems faced by the owners of the prop (Perfect Nail) is probably due to a confusion created by two similar props (one bent and the other straight) supplied for the effect. Once the props change shape it might be confusing as to which prop is which and thus the problem of resetting the correct prop and thereby trying to incorrectly reset the wrong prop. This is just my reasoning as to why so many props seem to have gone defective. Sorry if I am totally wrong in my thinking. :)

:xmas:
P.S. If you still haven't, you might like to checkout [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=406364&forum=37&12][b]THIS[/b][/url] thread as well - with special reference to memory alloy. :) ;)

[b]Isn't the Café a great place to learn and share?[/b] :)
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 23, 2011 09:16AM)
How on earth do you get the straight nail to go straight again? It's permanently bent at a 45 degree angle..... there's no going back. And yes, I am using the right nail because the BENT ONE is working OKAY.

Crazy isn't it....
Message: Posted by: MBlegend (Mar 23, 2011 09:21AM)
One more thing,

I've already stated that my Nails don't work well with ice water....... But my DUST OFF SPRAY (AIR DUSTER liquid CO2) js good. Does anyone know where I can get smaller bottles of this, or similar coolant products to save me carrying a massive canister around?
Many thanks

p.s. in England! :)
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Mar 23, 2011 11:09AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-23 05:16, MBlegend wrote:
How on earth do you get the straight nail to go straight again? It's permanently bent at a 45 degree angle..... there's no going back. And yes, I am using the right nail because the BENT ONE is working OKAY.

Crazy isn't it....
[/quote]

Hi Mark
best thing is to send us back your set and we will send you another one. Now you have the new instructions and DVD you will be up and running 100% when you receive your new set.
best regards
Jim
Message: Posted by: MichaelGristMagic (Mar 23, 2011 12:35PM)
The wizard product review have just reviewed it. Got a pretty good review :P
Message: Posted by: MichaelGristMagic (Mar 23, 2011 01:13PM)
What confuses me is you get 2 gimmicked nails and Dave and Craig say you can give the nails away at the end. Does this mean once you get the gimmicks you can make it with regular nails or do you have to do some kind of s***ch?
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Mar 23, 2011 01:27PM)
You will have to do a s***ch if you want to give them away. This has got some bad and some good reviews. The ones with the bad reviews looks like thay got bad nails. The ones with the good reviews got a good set that works. Its almost like a 50 50 chance if you get them. I don't play red or black with my money. I think I will leave this to the people who like to bet.
Message: Posted by: MichaelGristMagic (Mar 23, 2011 01:58PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-23 09:27, nowyoucme wrote:
You will have to do a s***ch if you want to give them away. This has got some bad and some good reviews. The ones with the bad reviews looks like thay got bad nails. The ones with the good reviews got a good set that works. Its almost like a 50 50 chance if you get them. I don't play red or black with my money. I think I will leave this to the people who like to bet.
[/quote]

Hmm interesting thanks :)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 23, 2011 02:28PM)
WPR Link: http://www.worldmagicstore.com/wizard-product-review-p-6561.html?osCsid=uf8so9i1lmr2cn5u8uurdrinq0
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 23, 2011 05:46PM)
Now that I've watched the World Magic review, I suspect that the inadequate instructions are the main culprit for causing this effect to be slated. It seems apparent that you can damage these props if you don't understand exactly how to re-set them, etc.
Craig and Dave pull no punches in their reviews, so I'd be very surprised if their observations aren't spot on. This was a bit of an issue with "Ultracinese", which in fact was a totally awesome effect. Also, Ultracinese and the Perfect Nail Bend would play very well together as incredible PK effects.
So, I'm tempted to believe the "Perfect Nail" is actually a worker, though evidently requires a bit of re-set. Clearly it's important to obtain it from a supplier (such as World Magic, who have made a DVD specially) who has taken the trouble to elaborate on the poor instructions supplied.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 23, 2011 06:33PM)
OK, I've sprung for this, in spite of all the negative reviews, based on Craig and Dave's comments on the WMR. At least I know that World Magic are very reputable, and if I get a dud set, they will replace/refund it no question.
I guess my curiosity got the better of me, as usual!
;)
Message: Posted by: paw (Mar 23, 2011 07:07PM)
Hi Doug,
Please post a review once you have had time to play with it!!!
Patrick (AKA - P______) LOL!
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Mar 23, 2011 07:24PM)
I will, and let's hope the additional DVD supplied by WMS will clear up any technical issues.
Forgive me Patrick, but AKA who? And why LOL!?
I feel I'm being dumb here,........
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 23, 2011 08:42PM)
I also went for it after watching the review... Ahh impulsive buying :) And thanks Paul Richards for the "other perspective" from elmwood, that was also an important point that confirmed my determination to go for it!
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Mar 24, 2011 01:01PM)
Well after watching the World Magic review on this I understand why some people say it don't work. I had the key that would bend useing the same things this does. I cant say anything on here without giving away how its done but I can see how thay missed up there gimmicks. I went ahead and ordered this because for only 60.00 you will be getting a great effect. As long as you understand how it works.
Message: Posted by: mr. wolf (Mar 25, 2011 04:48AM)
Any other reviews?
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Mar 26, 2011 01:08AM)
I own this and I have one question about the bent nail. When I straighten mine, it still looks a little funny where the bend occurs. I don't think it would be noticed during performance, but I just wanted to make sure this is normal. The only way I can describe it is to say it looks slightly "wavy" at the joint. Once again, to onlookers it will look straight, but I can notice the discrepancy.
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Mar 28, 2011 04:18PM)
If anyone knows where to get similar looking nails let me know. I would like give the nail away at the end, but I haven't had any luck finding this style of nail at Home Depot or Lowes.
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Mar 28, 2011 05:56PM)
Look for garden fence/shed nails, if need be, bring one if your one's to the store to compare...
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Mar 28, 2011 06:16PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-28 13:56, MarcLavelle wrote:
Look for garden fence/shed nails, if need be, bring one if your one's to the store to compare...
[/quote]

I had the nail with me but neither store had nails that matched.
Message: Posted by: MichaelGristMagic (Mar 29, 2011 08:50AM)
Try homebase :)
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 30, 2011 05:42PM)
Hi guys,
I have just received the PNB set :) Based on your experience, do you recommend to use fr***e s***y or c**d w***r to set the nail?
Message: Posted by: Jaz2005 (Mar 30, 2011 06:28PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-30 13:42, doriancaudal wrote:
Hi guys,
I have just received the PNB set :) Based on your experience, do you recommend to use fr***e s***y or c**d w***r to set the nail?
[/quote]

We had best results with the cru***d I*e and w***r mix and we also set the gimmicks one at a time to avoid confusion.
Also do you have the latest multi page instructions written by Tim Trono?
Regards
Jim
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Mar 30, 2011 06:35PM)
Yes, it is 3 pages, isn't it? And I also have the companion DVD by WMS
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Mar 30, 2011 06:37PM)
I prefer using the s***y. It works much quicker, no need to let it sit for a couple minutes like with the w***r. Plus with the s***y you know that the temperature will be cold enough so you won't have to worry about damaging the gimmick during preparation. I can see how i*e water would be more practical if you're using this in a walkaround set.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 30, 2011 06:39PM)
I notice many of these coming up for sale in the Café. Great way to pick one of these up cheapo...
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Mar 31, 2011 03:40PM)
I would say the s***Y. I got this on Wed. LOve it. The nails look nice. I have not tryed them out yet but when I had the key I put it in the Fr***er for around 20 min just to try it out.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 31, 2011 06:34PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-30 14:28, Jaz2005 wrote:

[b]We had best results with the cru***d I*e and w***r mix and . . .[/b]
[/quote]

Try a mix of Cru***d I*e + W***r + Sea Salt. :)

:xmas:
P.S. Sea Salt acts as a catalyst. ;)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 31, 2011 07:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-31 14:34, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-30 14:28, Jaz2005 wrote:

[b]We had best results with the cru***d I*e and w***r mix and . . .[/b]
[/quote]

Try a mix of Cru***d I*e + W***r + Sea Salt. :)

:xmas:
P.S. Sea Salt acts as a catalyst. ;)
[/quote]

Hey! AS a BONUS you can make some homemade ICE CREAM too - wth! Which flavors would go well with Perfect Nail Bend? ...ROCKY ROAD? !!!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 1, 2011 01:20AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-31 15:15, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-31 14:34, Ustaad wrote:

Try a mix of Cru***d I*e + W***r + Sea Salt. :)

:xmas:
P.S. Sea Salt acts as a catalyst. ;)
[/quote]

Hey! AS a BONUS you can make some homemade ICE CREAM too - wth! Which flavors would go well with Perfect Nail Bend? ...ROCKY ROAD? !!!
[/quote]

[b]Elementary my dear Watson, elementary[/b] :exclaim: :) ;)

[i](The supposed explanation that Sherlock Holmes gave to his assistant, Dr. Watson, when explaining deductions he had made.)[/i]


:xmas:
Message: Posted by: NFW (Apr 1, 2011 10:36AM)
Thought this looked good then read all the negative reviews - the W.P.R gave it high marks !
Jim are you basically saying that its the companion DVD that makes all the difference to correct set up?

Any owners who purchased this with the DVD care to comment ??
Message: Posted by: Matthew U (Apr 1, 2011 10:46AM)
Hi NFW .
The companion dvd that comes with the perfect nail bend sent when you purchase it from World Magic Shop gives you tips on how to set it up and how to reset it . It a great free dvd in my opinion .
Hope this helps Matthew
Message: Posted by: NFW (Apr 1, 2011 01:53PM)
Thanks Matthew, so was it the lack of this DVD and poor instructions the cause of the negative reviews earlier?
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Apr 1, 2011 02:58PM)
Really its not that hard. The big thing is some people are setting it up badly. The bent nail you get you will need to fr**e it 1st then use the tool to make it st***t slowly. Then as it wa*ms up it will st***ten back out. With the St***t nail same thing put it in the Fr***r 1st then bend it slowly. I did this on Thursday and thay worked perfectly. MIne only took like 3 min to do its job. Let me just say ( Cool ) ( Very cool ) Glad I bought.
Message: Posted by: Prager (Apr 1, 2011 05:24PM)
I can´t make the bent nail straight.

Any advice?
Message: Posted by: Matthew U (Apr 1, 2011 06:35PM)
Hi nfw

The main problem with the perfect nail bend in the first place was the instructions was not clearly laid out . So world magic shop made a compainion DVD . And also their is a new set of paper based instructions out for it now .
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Apr 1, 2011 09:47PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-01 13:24, J. Prager wrote:
I can´t make the bent nail straight.

Any advice?
[/quote]

You need to get it really c**d 1st
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 1, 2011 11:31PM)
Perfect?!
Message: Posted by: edh (Apr 2, 2011 12:30AM)
Great post Ustaad!
Message: Posted by: Thomas Cooper (Apr 5, 2011 01:02PM)
I am having the same problem making mine straight. I did get the WMS dvd but it was blank for some reason; however they are sending me a new one. Thanks WMS :)


Theo
xx
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Apr 5, 2011 06:57PM)
I have now received both the props (arrived several days ago, but I didn't dare touch them, in case of damage!) and now I have the DVD. I trust the guys at WMS, and it seems like a great little effect. One thing I'd note is that you can only perform this once, and then need to really go back to your base to reset it. I'll post more once I've actually watched the DVD and tried it out
;)
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (Apr 5, 2011 07:55PM)
I have this on order from a different company than World Magic Shop. Please PM me if anyone knows a way in which I may obtain a copy of the supplemental DVD to avoid the problems others have had with the directions. Thx.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 5, 2011 08:17PM)
Well we know that Murphy's created a supplement that was mentioned right here a few weeks ago to compensate for the awful included "directions."

You should probably contact WMS as they came up with their own take as they did on the WOW 2 gimmick as well. Maybe they can make you a special price as you are a dealer.
Message: Posted by: SImplyJustHen (Apr 5, 2011 08:19PM)
I just got this, and I have to say... Not impressed the slightest...

For me, the nail is either too c**l and takes too long to bend or bends before its supposed too...
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Apr 6, 2011 10:09AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 16:19, SImplyJustHen wrote:
I just got this, and I have to say... Not impressed the slightest...

For me, the nail is either too c**l and takes too long to bend or bends before its supposed too...
[/quote]


Mine started to bend within 30 secs or so. Perfect for me. You don't want this to bend to fast. You want time to make the effect look as real as you can. Do you really think if you could bend things with your mind it would be like look at the nail and it bends right away.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 6, 2011 08:18PM)
Can you manage to put your gimmicked bent nail perfectly straight when c**d?
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Apr 8, 2011 01:44PM)
Not allways. Sometimes mine still is a little bent. Kinda like when you try and straightn a nail after you pull it out.
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Apr 8, 2011 05:27PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-05 16:19, SImplyJustHen wrote:
I just got this, and I have to say... Not impressed the slightest...

For me, the nail is either too c**l and takes too long to bend or bends before its supposed too...
[/quote]

Ditto I can honestly say I thought I saw potential here. Just to long to set-up for an effect that is not 100%.
Mine just find its way to the trash can.

Always in magic

-Bobby :)
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (Apr 8, 2011 05:28PM)
"Mine just may find its way to the trash can" excuse me

-Bobby :)
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Apr 8, 2011 09:04PM)
Just tried mine, they work perfectly. The DVD from WMS was blank, but I figured I'd read enough to understand the workings. It was neccessary to re-f****ze a few times - I could feel that the metal was becoming more brittle as it w**med during the setting process.....it did take a good 20 minutes to set them properly. Yet to establish exactly how well they travel in the supplied pouch.
Easiest solution was to put them in the f***z*r. No problems, they perform exactly as described. I still think there are better metal bending solutions out there, but this is a nice piece, and I think most of those who have had issues have probably damaged their nails by incorrect procedures. Also, this is a "one-off" effect that you can't realistically repeat...it's very cool to watch the nails very slowly bending or unbending though.
Great product, needs to be handled with care and full understanding of the properties of the materials.
Effect: 10/10
Practicality: 4/10
;)
Message: Posted by: sabitu (Apr 8, 2011 09:44PM)
If you use the s***y it literally takes seconds to prepare the nails. I have performed this several times now and it gets fantastic reactions.

I have the spectator hold the nail in their fist and they can feel it bend inside their hand. It doesn't take the nail very long to bend, less than a minute. I then hold the nail and straighten it in full view by rubbing it with my thumb and index finger. Straightening the nail takes about a minute or less.

For me, the only downside to this effect is the reset.
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Apr 8, 2011 10:26PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-31 14:34, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-03-30 14:28, Jaz2005 wrote:

[b]We had best results with the cru***d I*e and w***r mix and . . .[/b]
[/quote]

Try a mix of Cru***d I*e + W***r + Sea Salt. :)



I was advised against the salt water, as it COULD be corrosive...

:xmas:
P.S. Sea Salt acts as a catalyst. ;)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: MarcLavelle (Apr 8, 2011 11:03PM)
For some reason my iPhone failed at finding the end of the message... My post was simply: I was advised against the salt water, as it COULD be corrosive...
Message: Posted by: nowyoucme (Apr 12, 2011 04:46PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-08 13:28, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
"Mine just may find its way to the trash can" excuse me

-Bobby :)
[/quote]

Now why would you do that. Lets recap. Pay 60 bucks for a effect. don't like it much. Lets put it in the trash. Really?? I will pay for shipping if you want to throw it my way.

For 60 bucks you got a gem here. It might not be for everybody. But it is a nice effect. I paid a lot more for effects than this and did not like them but made it work for me.

Or find someone that's new to magic and give it to them. Thay would think its gold.
Message: Posted by: Josh Norris (Apr 12, 2011 08:01PM)
I received a copy of this to review from Murphy's and reviewed it on The Magic Session this past sunday....

You can watch the original video here: http://themagicsession.com/on-demand/magic-marketplace-04-10-11

But I'll recap the key points below as well....

THE GOOD AND THE BAD

The Bend and UnBend do look VERY convincing and magical. Definitely the most visual version of this I have seen. I also like that you have the ability to create an "unbending" effect (after a simple shuttle pass), I havent seen this with other methods.

The trick comes with two gimmicked nails, one for the "bending" effect and one for "unbending". The biggest issue with this is that it does take a bit of patience to get the bent nail to look perfectly straight. [b]Imagine trying to COMPLETELY straighten out a paperclip. [/b]

PRACTICALITY

I think that the effect is only practical for a formal closeup show where there is no need to reset (since this process takes around 5-10mins). It could also be practical for a TV spot since it is very visual and the setup could be done in advance. I like the idea of picking up a bent nail from the ground and straightening it out. Then the temperature of the nail is not an issue as it will have "warmed up".

PACKAGING

Simple paper instructions stapled together and a poorly labeled box. However, for an effect like this, I am less concerned with packaging and more concerned with the gimmicks actually working.

PRICING

For the "technology" involved I'd say this is very fairly priced. As others mentioned in the thread similar products (fork) have been on the market for several hundred dollars.

WRAP-UP

Hope this was helpful! There's a live "uncut" performance of this in the video at TMS as well. Be sure to check out our reviews LIVE each sunday at 8PM est. Or let us know what other effects you'd like to see reviewed. -josh
Message: Posted by: Eric Leclerc (Apr 20, 2011 08:06PM)
I got this last week and decided to perform it yesterday on my daily YouTube show. I like it alot. This isn't ideal for performing in public. BUT in the comfort of your own house its absolutely killer. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYeUbIIa6M0
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (Apr 29, 2011 08:23PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-12 16:01, Josh Norris wrote:
I received a copy of this to review from Murphy's and reviewed it on The Magic Session this past sunday....

You can watch the original video here: http://themagicsession.com/on-demand/magic-marketplace-04-10-11

But I'll recap the key points below as well....

THE GOOD AND THE BAD

The Bend and UnBend do look VERY convincing and magical. Definitely the most visual version of this I have seen. I also like that you have the ability to create an "unbending" effect (after a simple shuttle pass), I havent seen this with other methods.

The trick comes with two gimmicked nails, one for the "bending" effect and one for "unbending". The biggest issue with this is that it does take a bit of patience to get the bent nail to look perfectly straight. [b]Imagine trying to COMPLETELY straighten out a paperclip. [/b]

PRACTICALITY

I think that the effect is only practical for a formal closeup show where there is no need to reset (since this process takes around 5-10mins). It could also be practical for a TV spot since it is very visual and the setup could be done in advance. I like the idea of picking up a bent nail from the ground and straightening it out. Then the temperature of the nail is not an issue as it will have "warmed up".

PACKAGING

Simple paper instructions stapled together and a poorly labeled box. However, for an effect like this, I am less concerned with packaging and more concerned with the gimmicks actually working.

PRICING

For the "technology" involved I'd say this is very fairly priced. As others mentioned in the thread similar products (fork) have been on the market for several hundred dollars.

WRAP-UP

Hope this was helpful! There's a live "uncut" performance of this in the video at TMS as well. Be sure to check out our reviews LIVE each sunday at 8PM est. Or let us know what other effects you'd like to see reviewed. -josh
[/quote]
Another plug for themagicsession.com

Well seeded Josh.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 30, 2011 01:18AM)
I gave away mine...
Message: Posted by: edh (Apr 30, 2011 10:13PM)
Andi, what do you have against Josh.
Message: Posted by: Andi Peters (May 1, 2011 03:25PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-30 18:13, edh wrote:
Andi, what do you have against Josh.
[/quote]
I have nothing against Josh. He looks like a nice chap.

However, I was bringing to the attention of the Café the fact that a guy with only 20 posts has been aggressively plugging his own site at every opportunity. In particular that the site contains product reviews, similar to the Magic Café AND charges a fee i.e. a commercial venture.

The Café is about magicians helping magicians. Not magicians helping themselves.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 1, 2011 03:33PM)
I agree Andi -
Message: Posted by: Josh Norris (May 1, 2011 10:57PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-01 11:25, Andi Peters wrote:

I have nothing against Josh. He looks like a nice chap.

However, I was bringing to the attention of the Café the fact that a guy with only 20 posts has been aggressively plugging his own site at every opportunity. In particular that the site contains product reviews, similar to the Magic Café AND charges a fee i.e. a commercial venture.

The Café is about magicians helping magicians. Not magicians helping themselves.
[/quote]

Andi, I hate to keep an unrelated thread going but just want to clear the air. You keep referring to The Magic Session as a paid for site. There is NO FEE to join the magic session you simply have to register an account just like at the Café. The Magic Marketplace will remain FREE on our site FOREVER.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 2, 2011 12:18AM)
Certainly nothing wrong [i]whatsoever[/i] with Josh’s input, reviews, thoughts, etc., and I find them quite informative just as I find the same to be of many other members here. However, I’ll have to admit that it seems as if about 99% of his posts are [i]only[/i] made when a trick has been reviewed on his site, and of course, the [i]always[/i] ensuing link to his Website. One would have to admit that it is a tad [i]suspect[/i] as to being on a very fine line of blatant promotion of his Website, which by the way, I enjoy. I’ll have to admit that when I first joined his site the wording seemed to be a tad ambiguous, and it seemed as though one might eventually, after some period of time, then be required to pay. But, it seems as though Josh has cleared this up, and it is indeed free. But, that does not negate the fact that he is promoting his site with [i]every[/i] post he makes, be it free or not.

I don’t believe that it is the Café’s intention to have members promote their collective Websites, and as it well should be. I also own and run a forum site (not magic related) for some years now and this would never be allowed, but that’s [i]my[/i] forum site. As I said, I thoroughly enjoy reading Josh’s input and I also enjoy viewing some of the reviews on his Website. Perhaps it would be more prudent of Josh to simply place his Website in his signature rather than referencing it in [i]every[/i] post he makes. I personally, think that would be more apropos and acceptable Café decorum. Just a thought and my opinion, and I certainly hope to hear more from Josh as a Café member rather than what would [i]seem[/i] to be someone who is simply trying to promote his Website. Make no mistake about it, as I sincerely wish Josh [i]all[/i] the best of luck with his Website and will still visit from time to time to view further reviews, etc. Perhaps some more input/posts from Josh on various threads that does not [i]always[/i] relate to his site (other than it being his signature) would perhaps salve any possible feelings that he is merely here to promote his Website which, by the way, I [i]sincerely[/i] hope is not the case. Then again, only time can be the [i]true[/i] test of that. ;)
Message: Posted by: Josh Norris (May 2, 2011 08:09PM)
Appreciate the feedback guys. My appologies if my posts felt spammy. I truly strive to give detailed reviews and hope that you enjoy both our weekly broadcasts and my posts here. Looking forward to being a part of the community. -josh
Message: Posted by: atouchofmagic1 (May 2, 2011 08:37PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-12 12:46, nowyoucme wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-04-08 13:28, atouchofmagic1 wrote:
"Mine just may find its way to the trash can" excuse me

-Bobby :)
[/quote]

Now why would you do that. Lets recap. Pay 60 bucks for a effect. don't like it much. Lets put it in the trash. Really?? I will pay for shipping if you want to throw it my way.

For 60 bucks you got a gem here. It might not be for everybody. But it is a nice effect. I paid a lot more for effects than this and did not like them but made it work for me.

Or find someone that's new to magic and give it to them. Thay would think its gold.
[/quote]


I was certainly just playing around :P The effect worked, just did not fit my style nor my needs. I will stick to liquid metal. However, I did find a buyer for the effect here on the Café' and I certainly hope he finds good use for the said effect. Just not for me.


-Bobby :)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 3, 2011 04:38AM)
For anyone who knows - how does PNB compare with John Sheets "Nailed It" which he discontinued? Similar principle I assume since John said that they were a hassle to make.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 3, 2011 02:04PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-03 00:38, saysold1 wrote:
For anyone who knows - how does PNB compare with John Sheets "Nailed It" which he discontinued? Similar principle I assume since John said that they were a hassle to make.
[/quote]

Brett, I don’t have either, but I know how both work and they are two [i][b]totally[/b][/i] different principles. The bend in “Nailed It” can only be done in [i]your[/i] hand and the “bend” can [i]never[/i] be freely shown and must be hidden with your fingers.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 3, 2011 03:39PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-03 10:04, gaffed wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-05-03 00:38, saysold1 wrote:
For anyone who knows - how does PNB compare with John Sheets "Nailed It" which he discontinued? Similar principle I assume since John said that they were a hassle to make.
[/quote]

Brett, I don’t have either, but I know how both work and they are two [i][b]totally[/b][/i] different principles. The bend in “Nailed It” can only be done in [i]your[/i] hand and the “bend” can [i]never[/i] be freely shown and must be hidden with your fingers.
[/quote]

Thanks Phil - I wonder why he stopped making it?
Message: Posted by: gaffed (May 3, 2011 04:32PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-03 11:39, saysold1 wrote:

Thanks Phil - I wonder why he stopped making it?
[/quote]

I would imagine that the cost for machining them was not in proportion to the sales.
I was very close to purchasing one (when it was still in production), but when I realized how it worked I lost all interest in it.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 18, 2011 01:40AM)
Just got this but with no new instructions or DVD...argh...until I do I was wondering, having read all these threads is there a way I could break or damage this without the full 411? I'm a bit leary...
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (May 18, 2011 03:40AM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-17 21:40, MagicBrent wrote:
Just got this but with no new instructions or DVD...argh...until I do I was wondering, having read all these threads is there a way I could break or damage this without the full 411? I'm a bit leary...
[/quote]

Get the directions first... you don't want to mess this up. Or PM one of the buys that owns this.
Message: Posted by: MagicBrent (May 18, 2011 04:32PM)
Ok..thx
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (May 21, 2011 08:20PM)
In performance, the Perfect Nail Bend is a gem. Having tried it now a few times, I've realised it's actually a very practical item, though of course, can only realistically be used once, unless you have time, place and required items for a re-set. Certainly my set seems to work perfectly. I've been careful not to stress the metal during the set up, and I like the fact that you get just enough time after removing them from the supplied carrier to introduce the effect, before the bending starts.
With some careful thoughts as to routining, and a good presentation, this really does seem like a miracle!
Potty ;)
Message: Posted by: ventman (Jun 5, 2011 02:55PM)
Has anyone found duplicate nails and if so where? I've looked at several home improvement stores and what they carry are too short.
Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Potty the Pirate (Jun 12, 2011 06:05PM)
I haven't yet researched matching nails, but they look fairly standard to me. A good supplier will surely have something almost identical?
Message: Posted by: wsduncan (Jul 24, 2011 04:13AM)
[quote]
We now have new comprehensive instuctions for this along with a companion DVD which we have made for our customers.
[/quote]
Are you producing this product? It was submitted for review in MUM by Murphy's MAgic Supplies, without instructional DVD. And the reviewer reports that he has been unable to get the nails to work as described in the brief instructions.

Thanks for your time,
bill
Associate Editor M-U-M Magazine (S.A.M.)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 25, 2012 08:35PM)
My favorite magic reviewer, Wayne Kawamoto, did a review:

http://magic.about.com/od/mentalismreviews/fr/Review-Perfect-Nail-Bend-Set.htm

I watched the Penguin demo and it did look good:

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/2486

Pondering........
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 25, 2012 10:27PM)
Zombie must have gotten that message from Penguin since this has been revived after a year and a day. Yeah, Zombie, I'm pondering it myself. Seems like it's going to be a lot of trouble to set up and use, though. I'll have to read through all seven pages tonight before I make my decision. The price is right, though.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 25, 2012 10:36PM)
Bats, when I bring our puppy meds home, they give me this little ice pack to keep it cool. Stays frozen the whole trip home ( doesn't get wet for some reason- dry ice?) It's small and in a jacket pocket, that could be used ( I think ).

Pondering......
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 25, 2012 11:02PM)
Thanks, Zombie- I'm sure you're right. The thing is, I already carry way more stuff than a normal guy does. Of course, guys and gals like us are NOT normal. I'm always stuffing things into my wife and daughter's purses. Neither one will carry my Industrial Revelation for me anymore! Can I borrow somebody else's wife or daughter, please?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 25, 2012 11:08PM)
Bats, this is an open forum, please don't tip secrets like our stuffing things into our wives and daughters purses!

:sun:
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 26, 2012 01:02AM)
Sorry, Zombie- sometimes I just get carried away and forget myself! I won't do it again!
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Jul 26, 2012 01:26AM)
Hey, BatsMagic - I'm thinking about this too. Quite a variety of opinions in this thread. There seems to be an issue with the original instructions - pretty poor. There have been some improvements on them, both paper and DVD. Wonder what Penguin includes. Important because proper prep seems to be key. Also at this price there's the issue of shipping @ 1/2 the price of the effect. What to do? Buy 2? Add something else to the cart (you really don't need)? Interested in hearing your thoughts after you read through the thread - Steve
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 26, 2012 04:47AM)
PM'd you, drsteve!
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Jul 26, 2012 05:42AM)
Replied to your PM, John.
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 26, 2012 02:15PM)
So, yeah, drsteve and Zombie, my order is in. I'm actually involved right now in a garage construction project (part of my roof kinda gave way) with my brother, who is a professional carpenter, so this would be a good one to try out on him. We might finish this weekend, though, so I might be just a few days too late. Could be a bit tricky, though- like I said, he's a professional carpenter, so if the nails don't match (and they probably won't!), he might not fall for it. I'll have to see!

Ordered "Slide" from Penguin also!
Message: Posted by: JeremyM0411 (Jul 29, 2012 08:17PM)
I got mine from penguin today. You get the two nails the straighting tube an ice pack and a thermal pouch to keep the nails in. No dvd only two pages of instructions. I can not get mine to work right. I have read on the penguin forum that some sets work and some don't. It sounds like this effect has a quality control issues.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Jul 29, 2012 10:07PM)
Received 2 sets from Penguin yesterday. So far have only played around with 1 set. Used the f*****r for prep on both nails, bending/unbending a little at a time. Both worked just fine. For what it's worth my wife was more impressed with the bending of the straight nail (but then also asked to see it straightened again) so I see how you can work both together. When I get the opportunity to test out the second set, I'll report back. Also want to see realistically how long the prepared nails can be kept in the pouch, especially since I live in Florida.
Message: Posted by: BatsMagic (Jul 29, 2012 11:32PM)
Sounds good, Steve. I should get mine tomorrow. I'll contact you after I play around with it a bit. I'm also expecting "Slide" tomorrow, so I have enough to play around with!
Message: Posted by: Waters (Jul 30, 2012 12:21AM)
[quote]
On 2012-07-29 16:17, JeremyM0411 wrote:
I got mine from penguin today. You get the two nails the straighting tube an ice pack and a thermal pouch to keep the nails in. No dvd only two pages of instructions. I can not get mine to work right. I have read on the penguin forum that some sets work and some don't. It sounds like this effect has a quality control issues.
[/quote]

Mine did not work either! I was disappointed. I am glad to know that some worked better.
Message: Posted by: JeremyM0411 (Jul 30, 2012 12:59AM)
But like said above the F-----R works better than the cup. The cup would not alow mine to work the F-----r did! That was my problem! Now they work just fine!
Message: Posted by: tester2006 (Jul 30, 2012 10:50PM)
I just got this recently and have been struggling with the instructions. If there ever was a trick needing a DVD to instruct this is the one. I'm not sure if I have the new and improved structions or not, I received 2 pages 1 of them front and back for a total of 3 pages of instructions.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Jul 31, 2012 12:37AM)
Those are the "improved" instructions. Basically, put both nails in the f****r and every few minutes bend the straight one a little by hand and straighten the bent one a little w/ the tube, put them back and repeat until they look like you want them to. Worked for me.
Message: Posted by: broothal (Aug 1, 2012 03:57PM)
Mine bends immediately when I pull it out of the f*****r or a glass of i** w****. And no, I don't live in a tropical paradise with super hot weather. Any ideas?