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Topic: Tin Cups Revival
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 7, 2011 09:36PM)
Many of you know I have been replacing much of my cups collection with traditional examples. Tin cups rarely make an appearance at the auction sites and it is even rarer when they sell anywhere near my budget. I have collected enough images of this style of cup to have a set made by a wonderfully talented tinsmith who really loves his job. Bill Palmer and Sean McWeeney (fortasse) were key in supplying the proper construction information on these old cups.

I don't know when the last set of tin cups were made for a conjurer, but this is what they would have looked like fresh out of the tinner's shop. I had these made with the same dimensions as the Harrie's Bosco cups. The last picture you can see the pieces involved in making one cup.

If anyone would like to order a set, PM me and I will send along the tinsmiths info. I plan on having a few more examples made for my collection.

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-todd
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 7, 2011 09:56PM)
Fantastic! Congratulations, Todd. You should feel very proud of how well these turned out. The craftsmanship seems superb.
I'll be PM ing you in just a second to get the info for ordering a set.
Sean
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 7, 2011 10:14PM)
How thick is the gage on these? Tin is quite susceptible to dents if it's not thick enough.

I'm quite interested, if they're thick enough!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 7, 2011 10:18PM)
[b]A W E S O M E[/b]
Message: Posted by: gaddy (Mar 7, 2011 10:20PM)
I especially love the little hallmark at the bottom. It just radiates "Quality" !
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Mar 7, 2011 10:31PM)
Very, very, nice... PM sent.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 7, 2011 10:34PM)
These are really nice. I have several sets of tin and brass cups of this type. The metal is usually somewhat thin. However, the newer, present day tin is much more durable than the stuff from the 1800's.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Mar 7, 2011 11:41PM)
I want.

Unfortunately I most likely can't afford :(

Stunningly beautiful though
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 8, 2011 12:33AM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-07 23:14, gaddy wrote:
How thick is the gage on these? Tin is quite suceptible to dents if its not thick enough.

I'm quite interested, if they're thick enough!
[/quote]
These are made with 28 gauge tin and have a great weight and sturdiness to them. I am sure he can accommodate any requests though.
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Mar 8, 2011 03:54AM)
Todd... How fantastic!
Message: Posted by: Philtrum (Mar 8, 2011 07:20AM)
That's great!
Message: Posted by: BCS (Mar 8, 2011 08:38AM)
Todd... Wow!!! Your Tinsmith did a fantastic job!

Thanks for all the photos!!!

Bruce
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 8, 2011 12:45PM)
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On 2011-03-08 00:41, Payne wrote:
I want.

Unfortunately I most likely can't afford :(

Stunningly beautiful though
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Maybe if you are a good boy, Santa will put a set of these under your tree for you.

Or not.
Message: Posted by: Richard Evans (Mar 8, 2011 01:55PM)
Todd - they look absolutely wonderful!

And many, many congrats on reviving an old tradition and bringing it up to date. This is fantastic.
Please PM me the info - I'd love to order a set.

Richard
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 8, 2011 07:32PM)
I wonder why they ever went out of style. Tin is a lot more economical than copper or brass. I'm sure there's an explanation. Aesthetics perhaps? Tin doesn't develop a particularly attractive patina, that's for sure. Then again, I personally like that old, rugged, aged, dull gray look that tin cups grow into after a hundred years or so!

Will be interested to see how Todd's tin cups age.

Sean
Message: Posted by: majik_1 (Mar 9, 2011 02:30PM)
The tinsmith did a very nice job on these cups. nice photos
Message: Posted by: gmeister (Mar 9, 2011 04:15PM)
WOW!!!

Magnificent!!!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 9, 2011 04:47PM)
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On 2011-03-08 20:32, fortasse wrote:
I wonder why they ever went out of style. Tin is a lot more economical than copper or brass. I'm sure there's an explanation. Aesthetics perhaps? Tin doesn't develop a particularly attractive patina, that's for sure. Then again, I personally like that old, rugged, aged, dull gray look that tin cups grow into after a hundred years or so!

Will be interested to see how Todd's tin cups age.

Sean
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These are much more complicated than most people think. The traditional tin cup, as we find in the magic sets, is made of four pieces of metal, five if you include any wire that is used in the mouth bead. The sides are usually doubled. The skirt is a separate piece, and the bottom is a separate piece. These cups that Todd has are made a bit differently.
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 9, 2011 05:05PM)
Bill, is there an "exploded" view anywhere to help visualize what you are describing? Could you draw one if not to help?

-todd
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 9, 2011 06:34PM)
I can't draw worth beans!
Message: Posted by: AndrewJ (Mar 9, 2011 07:48PM)
Those look gorgeous.

The shape really implies a lot more innocence as well. That makes them classy and very deceptive, in my opinion.

Congratulations in every way.
Message: Posted by: BCS (Mar 9, 2011 08:05PM)
Todd… where did you get the multi colored final load balls?

Thanks,
Bruce
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 9, 2011 08:23PM)
Bruce : Todd can chime in but I have a set of these final load balls too. Mine came from a standard juggling set; bought it on the big auction site.
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 9, 2011 08:30PM)
Mine came from cost plus :)
Message: Posted by: BCS (Mar 10, 2011 09:15AM)
Thanks guys for the suggestions… that style of ball looks pretty cool with the Traditional Cups.

Bruce
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 10, 2011 11:14AM)
Check etsy.com for "juggling balls". There are some beautiful hand stitched sets that are very affordable.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 10, 2011 08:46PM)
The only thing I don't particularly like about these juggling balls is the vinyl covering. Is there anybody out there who makes these balls with a leather or cloth covering with birdseed (?) inside?
Message: Posted by: jmhall (Mar 10, 2011 09:12PM)
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On 2011-03-10 21:46, fortasse wrote:
The only thing I don't particularly like about these juggling balls is the vinyl covering. Is there anybody out there who makes these balls with a leather or cloth covering with birdseed (?) inside?
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Ditto on that. I'd be very interested in having a set with a leather covering.
Message: Posted by: BCS (Mar 11, 2011 08:58AM)
I agree… having a set in leather would be more desirable. Maybe someone does make them or a little scuffing and weathering effects could make the plastic covering seem to be of leather. We probably worry about that more than any spectator would.

Thanks,
Bruce
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 11, 2011 10:44AM)
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On 2011-03-09 20:48, AndrewJ wrote:
The shape really implies a lot more innocence as well.
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Playing with them the last few days I have to agree. Something about the completely smooth interior (that doesn't follow the skirt and shoulder) makes it seem much more innocent. Like a normal cup.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 11, 2011 10:18PM)
What about the weight of the cups, Todd?
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 12, 2011 11:12AM)
I don't have a scale at my place. But they are a nice weigh and heavier than aluminum cups of the same size.
Message: Posted by: AndrewJ (Mar 12, 2011 12:51PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-09 21:05, BCS wrote:
Todd… where did you get the multi colored final load balls?[/quote] Back on the off-topic topic -- I just got a set at one of the Borders Bookstores that is closing down for about three dollars. The sticker said $3.99, but they're liquidating at 30% off.

It was a mostly red box called "The Essential Juggling Book & Kit." The book - "The Joy of Juggling" - was really basic. But it did get come with three vinyl juggling balls.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Mar 12, 2011 09:30PM)
Those balls run fairly small, don't they - say lacrosse ball size?
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Mar 26, 2011 06:35PM)
Fortasse, My set was a $1.99 at World Marketplace and (you're right) they measure 2" diameter.

Jorey
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 27, 2011 12:01PM)
So who is waiting on a set? What material or specifics did you request?
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Mar 27, 2011 12:24PM)
I'm waiting a response from the tinman :)
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Mar 27, 2011 01:35PM)
Perhaps I've missed something... are tin cups prohibitively expensive to some? I'd think they would be cheaper than others.
If that's the case, I've got a set of Campbell's soup cans I'm selling. Make me an offer! ;)
Message: Posted by: epoptika (Mar 27, 2011 06:56PM)
How about making your own leather balls. How hard can it be? :goof:

http://www.pjb.com.au/jug/leatherballs.html

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Posted: Mar 27, 2011 8:06pm
This looks like a good source for "vintage looking" balls or Google "lemon peel baseball stitch" for other options.

http://www.lemonpeelbaseballs.com/
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Mar 27, 2011 07:37PM)
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On 2011-03-27 13:01, lint wrote:
So who is waiting on a set? What material or specifics did you request?
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I have a set on order. I requested mine in antique finish.

Plan to have a set made up in copper soon as well.

Thanks for sharing this Todd!

Doug
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Mar 27, 2011 08:00PM)
My set is now on order as well.

Thanks Todd
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Mar 27, 2011 08:50PM)
I have also ordered a set. I don't think Win knew what he was getting into!
Message: Posted by: ekins (Mar 27, 2011 09:14PM)
I've also ordered a set. When I contacted Win on Mar. 10th he told me he had had 8 orders in just the previous 2 days and the lead time was going to be 6 weeks.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: lint (Mar 27, 2011 10:35PM)
I just checked my set and it can easily accept a lacrosse ball as a final load but not the baseball I have around. The baseball I have is of dubious regulation size so who knows.
Message: Posted by: epoptika (Mar 29, 2011 11:07AM)
Great cups. Impressive tin-smithing work.
Message: Posted by: ekins (Apr 13, 2011 07:56PM)
I was just notified that my cups are finished. Two weeks earlier than he said when I ordered them. How often do we see that these days? I also noticed that Bills are there waiting for him too, so Win is making his way through the orders.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 13, 2011 09:51PM)
Thanks! I need to check that out.

=================================

I hadn't heard anything from Win, which doesn't surprise me, because I have been flooded with spam lately, and I may have missed his e-mail. At least they had not been up for very long, just four hours.

Posted: Apr 13, 2011 11:06pm
Quote:

On 2011-03-27 23:35, lint wrote:
I just checked my set and it can easily accept a lacrosse ball as a final load but not the baseball I have around. The baseball I have is of dubious regulation size so who knows.

Try a tennis ball.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 14, 2011 10:52AM)
I'll pick up a tennis ball and give it a try.

Glad Win is starting to get these out to you guys. He has some other really nice sconces and candle holders I may pickup next time I place an order.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 14, 2011 12:15PM)
Re: Your signature line

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lap..." -English Proverb
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Apr 14, 2011 07:07PM)
Hmmm. . .maybe mine'll be ready soon :)
Message: Posted by: manal (Apr 14, 2011 09:25PM)
Excellent craftmanship!
Not many tinsmiths around these days.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 14, 2011 11:08PM)
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On 2011-04-14 13:15, Bill Palmer wrote:
Re: Your signature line

"There's many a slip 'twixt the cup and the lap..." -English Proverb
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Too true...
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Apr 15, 2011 07:11PM)
My cups are ready! Just paid for them and can't wait to see them up close.

I ordered my set with the antique finish and I am really pleased with how they look.

http://www.etsy.com/transaction/47882729

Todd, thanks again for sharing Win's info with us.

Best,

Doug
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 15, 2011 08:13PM)
Really nice finish on those doug!
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Apr 15, 2011 08:31PM)
? how many slips are you supposed to be wearing?
Message: Posted by: EventEntertainer (Apr 15, 2011 11:10PM)
Is there a coat someone could reommed to prevent rust or tarnish? They look beauiful!
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Apr 16, 2011 12:11AM)
Doug, Those look great! Mine are coming antiqued as well :)
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 16, 2011 12:27AM)
"Tin" is a sheet of steel that has a coating of tin on it. If the tin doesn't wear off, it usually won't tarnish.
Message: Posted by: Philtrum (Apr 17, 2011 02:51PM)
I've just ordered a set as well, these look great.
Kelly
Message: Posted by: EventEntertainer (Apr 17, 2011 05:49PM)
Another question:

In the period (19th century I believe) these cups were popularly used, what did they use as standard and final loads?
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 17, 2011 05:55PM)
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On 2011-04-17 18:49, EventEntertainer wrote:
Another question:

In the period (19th century I believe) these cups were popularly used, what did they use as standard and final loads?
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from what I can tell they used blackened cork balls for the working balls and larger juggling balls (filled with horse hair or sawdust) for the final loads.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Apr 17, 2011 05:57PM)
Yes, that's my understanding as well.
Todd : Just placed my order for the new tin cups too.
Sean
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 17, 2011 06:33PM)
Todd:

That is exactly right. I have some cork balls and some cloth covered hair balls that date back to the 1800's. Somebody's cat was working overtime.

Posted: Apr 18, 2011 2:13pm
My tin cups came today. This is one of the great bargains in cups and balls. If you don't have a set already, get one.
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Apr 18, 2011 06:16PM)
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On 2011-04-18 14:13, Bill Palmer wrote:
My tin cups came today. This is one of the great bargains in cups and balls. If you don't have a set already, get one.
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I couldn't agree more! Mine arrived today as well. Very nice cups.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 18, 2011 06:51PM)
I was impressed with the attention to detail -- the hallmarks, the care instructions, etc. The man knows his stuff!
Message: Posted by: dcjames (Apr 18, 2011 08:05PM)
Agreed. The care instructions and thank you note were a very nice touch. Win's a class act all the way.
Message: Posted by: ekins (Apr 18, 2011 08:38PM)
My cups also arrived today. I was very impressed with Win's attention to every detail.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 18, 2011 08:51PM)
So glad you are all so happy with his work. The man knows his stuff! I am going to send him out a standard sized set in the near future to have a set of brass cups done. once he patterns the cups he can offer those as well to all of you. I want to see a more traditional bottom/top next go around.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 25, 2011 01:36AM)
I just got the tin cups on the cups and balls museum site. They are on the page of Early Cups, down near the bottom of the page. They are also in the database.

I'll be sending him a French magic set cup very soon.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 25, 2011 06:54PM)
Those look great Bill. I am excited Win will be getting a french magic set cup to study. I would LOVE a set of authentically sized and constructed "french magic set" cups.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 26, 2011 01:13AM)
I have a pair of them that are missing a third. I'm going to send you one and Win the other one. Maybe I'll find another set somewhere. You never know!
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 26, 2011 12:30PM)
Bill, you are too kind.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 26, 2011 05:50PM)
Not at all.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Apr 27, 2011 05:57AM)
My order is in...thanks to all the posters for your great comments.
Win seems like a terrific fellow.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 27, 2011 10:55AM)
It is a pleasure to deal with people who practice "Old World Crafts."

However, once in a while, there is a fellow who seems to be living above his raisin. I tried to get another person to make some of the Roman style glass cups for me. His answer was that he didn't have time for any miniature cups. He was making stemware that went for a minimum of $1000 a piece.

That struck me as funny, because the most expensive thing on his site was about $300.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 27, 2011 11:24AM)
I ran into the same issue when trying to track down a tinsmith to make cups. Out of the 5 or so tinsmiths who advertise online 4 didn't want to bother as it wasn't worth their time. They were all content to turn out civil war style tin cups all day that sold for $5 a piece. Win was the 5th and was a breath of fresh air.
Message: Posted by: ekins (Apr 27, 2011 01:49PM)
I think it's obvious from his work that Win is a true craftsman. He's probably always looking for new challenges to stretch his skills and learn new things.
Message: Posted by: AndrewJ (Apr 27, 2011 07:35PM)
Oh wow.. I'm starting to feel dumb for not noticing that he was building for others.

Would it be bad form to ask how to contact him? Or to know how prohibitively priced they are? I may be soon not working at a job that... well... doesn't pay very well to begin with, even after nearly a decade.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 27, 2011 07:53PM)
I'll pm you andrew.
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Apr 29, 2011 03:05AM)
A couple of people have asked to see pics of my cups when Win had them ready because I ordered in copper instead of tin. I think they look beautiful, can't wait to get them!

If you look in wins sales you'll find them under Custom Order for Brian W. (Only)

Enjoy!
Bri
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Apr 29, 2011 11:26AM)
It's very interesting about craftspeople. I've known a lot of them, both from the Renaissance festival circuit and from magic conventions, etc. Some of them think that because you are a magician that you don't want to pay a decent price for their products. So they don't want to bother with us. If they only knew!

I'll bet that if I told this glassblower that I would be willing to pay him, say $300 each for the Roman style cups, he would get on them in a New York minute.

At the Largo Renaissance Festival in Florida, there was a glassblower who was very talented, but who simply did not know how to pitch to a crowd. So I would go over and bark for him. His name is Don Bagwell. I did this out of the goodness of my heart, because I knew how talented he was. At the end of the festival, he presented me with a large glass goblet in cobalt blue with stars and crescents in gold on it. This was 30 years ago. I still have the goblet.

When I taught English for Berlitz, one of my students was the Vice President of Vitro, a huge glass company in Mexico. I brought the goblet to one of his lessons. He was amazed that there were people in the US who could do this. He said, "This is museum quality!"

I treasure it.
Message: Posted by: lint (Apr 29, 2011 11:51AM)
Those cups look great in copper Bri. I imagine they will look excellent when the copper darkens and blends into the soldier more lines more.
Message: Posted by: leaycraft (Apr 29, 2011 03:55PM)
Just ordered mine and a few other things as well. Projected delivery time is mid June: I have a feeling it will be sooner but even if its not I'm excited and glad I'm getting them - really am excited . john
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (Apr 29, 2011 09:01PM)
Bri, Your cups look great in copper. I'm hoping mine will be ready this week!

Jorey
Message: Posted by: ekins (Apr 29, 2011 10:36PM)
I missed the copper cups picture. I think once you've purchased it, it disappears from the website. Bri, I'll look forward to seeing them on your website.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Apr 29, 2011 11:38PM)
Hi Brian,

At the left hand column, choose "83 sale"' Tag, the number may change when more sales take place (just below the "items for sales" tag. The first item is BRI's copper cups

Francis
Message: Posted by: ekins (Apr 30, 2011 01:57PM)
Hi Francis,

Thanks. Very nice cups Bri. You'll be happy with them.

-Brian
Message: Posted by: BCS (May 15, 2011 04:21PM)
Todd suggested that I share photos of the Tin Cups I had made… I had Win apply an antiqued finish to my set; I am very pleased as to how they turned out.

Now I just need to find the time to acquire the period style balls I want for them.

Todd, thanks for sharing the source for the Tin Cups, I can’t say that they will be my go to set, but they look fantastic on display.

Thanks,
Bruce


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[img]http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm227/BCSDenver/CUP%20STUFF/Tin003.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (May 15, 2011 07:47PM)
Hi Bruce,
Now I wish I took a set of this finish, IMHO, the contrast makes the final loads look desiredly stunning in performance, Beautiful!

Francis
Message: Posted by: BCS (May 16, 2011 09:56AM)
Francis... Maybe if you want that finish your set could be sent back to Win for an application. I have a 100 year old pie tin that has the same patina color as the Tin Cups; the only difference is the color is not as shiny and has a bit of a texture to it. I am most interested in Bri’s copper set and wait to see how they turn.

Shiny our treated the Tin Cups are pretty cool either way.

Take care,
Bruce
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (May 16, 2011 11:18AM)
I chose the antique finish on mine as well and they're being shipped this week :)
Message: Posted by: lint (May 16, 2011 12:46PM)
That finish is really nice. Anyone order a set in brass yet? interested in how those will look.
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (May 16, 2011 01:15PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-16 10:56, BCS wrote:
Francis... Maybe if you want that finish your set could be sent back to Win for an application. I have a 100 year old pie tin that has the same patina color as the Tin Cups; the only difference is the color is not as shiny and has a bit of a texture to it. I am most interested in Bri’s copper set and wait to see how they turn.

Shiny our treated the Tin Cups are pretty cool either way.

Take care,
Bruce
[/quote]
Thanks Bruce, you are right, they do look dignified amongst other cups.

Francis
Message: Posted by: Payne (May 31, 2011 11:25PM)
Mine came today. Antique finish. Truly a great cup. My only complaint is tha due toi theur proper construction my final load balls don't fit. So I am now in search of new ones. A 4 3/4 oz. Cricket Ball seems to fit so I'll have to see if I can get 3 of them someplace cheap.
Though I might just give balls of yarn a try.
Message: Posted by: afinemesh (May 31, 2011 11:57PM)
Mine came last week as well with the antique finish. Very nice cups. Now to find period balls!
Message: Posted by: lint (Jun 1, 2011 11:40AM)
Period Final load Balls:
http://zearticles.com/103748-homemade-juggling-balls.html

[img]http://i.ehow.com/images/a06/bv/gr/homemade-juggling-balls-800X800.jpg[/img]
Fill with animal hair or sawdust.
Message: Posted by: BCS (Jun 1, 2011 01:05PM)
Todd... thanks for posting the link for the juggling balls; now its just finding the time to complete another project. I purchased some juggling balls that are vinyl or plastic that kind of looks like leather. I plan to scuff them up some and age them with some shoe polish. They will do until I can purchase or make the real thing.

Thanks,
Bruce
Message: Posted by: Philtrum (Jun 9, 2011 12:48PM)
My cups arrived today. Wow!!!!
These are a real value for the money, excellent craftsmanship.
Message: Posted by: BCS (Jun 9, 2011 01:12PM)
Phil... Cool, what will you use as balls with the Cups?

Thanks,
Bruce
Message: Posted by: Philtrum (Jun 9, 2011 03:49PM)
I haven't decided yet, I have a drawer full of balls to experiment with. I do like the look of the period balls so I may look for some of those.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 9, 2011 06:10PM)
Period correct would be cork balls for the cups and cloth balls for the loads. BTW, catnip balls may work pretty well.
Message: Posted by: leaycraft (Jun 14, 2011 07:57PM)
Just got an email from The village Tinsmith, that my order is in the mail- I am getting excited, can't wait for the cups as well as a cup and tinderbox. just writing this has me waiting expectantly.

John
Message: Posted by: BCS (Jun 15, 2011 08:54AM)
John... Win ships pretty quickly sop you should have them in no time. I too have thought about getting the tinderbox.

Bruce
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Jun 21, 2011 10:11PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-14 20:57, leaycraft wrote:
Just got an email from The village Tinsmith, that my order is in the mail- I am getting excited, can't wait for the cups as well as a cup and tinderbox. just writing this has me waiting expectantly.

John
[/quote]

You know, we magicians can in fact be made to be as loopy as children at Christmastime, no matter how old we get! I always get excited everytime I order a new item from a dealer, and even more so when I order custom products. I am definitely going to get a set from Win and I also have a local tinsmith at a local historic museum/village that I am going to try and rope into doing this for me.
Message: Posted by: leaycraft (Jun 24, 2011 06:06AM)
Everything cmae last week- WOW I love the workmanship. Excellent craftsmanship.

Now to practice.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 24, 2011 05:03PM)
I just got two sets of Village Tinsmith cups in the mail. One is the regular set in copper -- very nice cups!!! The other is a set of reproduction French magic set cups in antique tin. Win solved a problem that exists with this style of cup and thereby improved the cups and made them safer to use. These are masterpieces!
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jun 24, 2011 05:47PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 18:03, Bill Palmer wrote:
I just got two sets of Village Tinsmith cups in the mail. One is the regular set in copper -- very nice cups!!! The other is a set of reproduction French magic set cups in antique tin. Win solved a problem that exists with this style of cup and thereby improved the cups and made them safer to use. These are masterpieces!
[/quote]

Bill,
There is a postal strike here in Canada.
You are hereby accused of psychological torture.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Jun 24, 2011 09:08PM)
Just took delivery of my new tin cups from the Village Tinsmith. Outstanding!

Fortasse
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 24, 2011 09:09PM)
I wonder why the IRS never goes on strike. ;)
Message: Posted by: lint (Jun 25, 2011 12:36AM)
Bill, pictures!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 25, 2011 03:30AM)
All in good time. I'm about a month behind with pictures. I'm hoping to spend a few hours photographing this weekend.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 6, 2011 03:20PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-24 18:03, Bill Palmer wrote:
I just got two sets of Village Tinsmith cups in the mail. One is the regular set in copper -- very nice cups!!! The other is a set of reproduction French magic set cups in antique tin. Win solved a problem that exists with this style of cup and thereby improved the cups and made them safer to use. These are masterpieces!
[/quote]

Bill,

Do you have a picture of the reproduction French magic set cups in antique tin?

many thanks,
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 21, 2011 03:39PM)
Just took delivery of a set of French magic set cups from Win today. These cups are absolutely stunning. The attention to detail and the construction make them a joy to just hold and look at let alone use!

Will post some pictures tonight.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 21, 2011 04:31PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-21 16:39, lint wrote:
Just took delivery of a set of French magic set cups from Win today. These cups are absolutely stunning. The attention to detail and the construction make them a joy to just hold and look at let alone use!

Will post some pictures tonight.
[/quote]


Antique Tin?
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 21, 2011 05:12PM)
Yes antique tin. My street sized cups were polished tin so it is nice to have an example of this finish. These cups are really somethin' else.

For anyone who orders a set you need to give Bill Palmer a big Thank You for supplying Win with an authentic french magic set cup to work off of. Having a period cup to work off of has allowed Win to match every minute detail on these cups.

Also of course give Win a big Thank You as well :)
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 21, 2011 09:13PM)
Here are some pictures for you all to enjoy. Clicking a link opens a bigger view.

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Message: Posted by: BCS (Jul 21, 2011 09:39PM)
Todd… Thanks for posting those photos, the Cups look fantastic…. Truly fantastic! I appreciate you sharing Win with us.

Bruce
Message: Posted by: cupsandballsmagic (Jul 22, 2011 01:45AM)
Todd, those look wonderful! I actually love the fact that there are still craftsmen out there doing things well. Thanks to both you and Bill for this project and you for bringing Win to our attention in the first place.

Those cups look great!

Bri
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jul 22, 2011 02:06PM)
Wow! I should send him one of my old Magio City Jumbo Monte cups and see if he can replicate a set of them in tin. I've always loved the size of these cups but hate the fact that they are made out of aluminium. It would be nice to have a set of jumbo size traditonal cups that I could actually use.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 23, 2011 07:55PM)
You could probably get him to make a set in copper, if you would like that as a metal. He has done the basic style in copper and tin.
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 23, 2011 10:34PM)
Bill, are there any authentic period sets in this style that were made in copper? I don't think I have seen any sets in anything other than tin and brass.
Message: Posted by: Chris Capstone (Jul 26, 2011 12:40PM)
Lint: I just received a copper set from Win. They are awesome. I'm not sure how historically accurate copper might be. You are probably right about tin or brass being more accurate. I chose copper over the tin because I work outdoors a lot. I've had issues with wind when using a taller style cup so I wanted the extra weight. Win said the copper was quite a bit heavier than the tin. I'm going to let mine darken.

I've had Harries Bosco cups in aluminum, copper, and copper with nickel plate. I've also used Bertini/Davenport cups in copper with nickel plate. I like these better than all those. The only exception is I really liked the extra deep recess for the ball on the Burtini/Davenport cups. I would not mind if Win made that a little deeper because it helps keep the ball in place outdoors in the wind.

Other than that very small issue, these cups are great for me. They easily take an smaller orange as a load and they really match my old fashioned costume and props. The large size registers well outdoors.

I didn't realize Win offered brass. May have to get some of those as well!
Message: Posted by: Dave V (Jul 26, 2011 01:30PM)
Chris,
I recall in my reenactor catalogs, mention of copper drinking cups that were "tinned" on the inside. They said they used to heat the cup and melt a small chunk of tin inside and swirl it around to coat the insides of the cup.
Message: Posted by: lint (Jul 26, 2011 03:44PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-26 13:40, chriscapstone wrote:
Lint: I just received a copper set from Win. They are awesome. I'm not sure how historically accurate copper might be. You are probably right about tin or brass being more accurate. I chose copper over the tin because I work outdoors a lot. I've had issues with wind when using a taller style cup so I wanted the extra weight. Win said the copper was quite a bit heavier than the tin. I'm going to let mine darken.

I've had Harries Bosco cups in aluminum, copper, and copper with nickel plate. I've also used Bertini/Davenport cups in copper with nickel plate. I like these better than all those. The only exception is I really liked the extra deep recess for the ball on the Burtini/Davenport cups. I would not mind if Win made that a little deeper because it helps keep the ball in place outdoors in the wind.

Other than that very small issue, these cups are great for me. They easily take an smaller orange as a load and they really match my old fashioned costume and props. The large size registers well outdoors.

I didn't realize Win offered brass. May have to get some of those as well!
[/quote]

glad you enjoy the cups. I am sure Win can accommodate any special requests for deepening the recess on the top of the cup.

-todd
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jul 26, 2011 04:12PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-23 23:34, lint wrote:
Bill, are there any authentic period sets in this style that were made in copper? I don't think I have seen any sets in anything other than tin and brass.
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I don't have any, but I have brass ones that have patinized a lot like copper, so they may, in fact, be copper.
Message: Posted by: howlinhobbit (Jan 1, 2013 08:34PM)
While I think the cups are beautiful, I'm more flummoxed by the fact that there are still tinkers amongst us!
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jan 4, 2013 07:01PM)
[quote]
On 2011-07-26 17:12, Bill Palmer wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-07-23 23:34, lint wrote:
Bill, are there any authentic period sets in this style that were made in copper? I don't think I have seen any sets in anything other than tin and brass.
[/quote]

I don't have any, but I have brass ones that have patinized a lot like copper, so they may, in fact, be copper.
[/quote]

Bill,

I don't know if there were middle age or Renaissance cups made out of copper but I do know that copper was already known to give a taste to beverages and meals and copper kitchenware were already tin coated inside. Actually the silver cups present the same drawback and their inside was gilted (like the one I gave you).
Now, at the time, copper was not considered a precious metal and therefore I would tend to think that the cups were either tin cups (as in Hocus Pocus Jr) or luxury cups were in silver with inner gilting in gold.

Now this is only an analytical and logical perspective but the fact that none of us could read any document involving copper cups may support this hypothesis.
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Jan 4, 2013 07:24PM)
Sorry I meant to write "I don't know if there were middle age or Renaissance cups made out of "copper" (not "silver")...