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Topic: Bill change being sold to laymen
Message: Posted by: jerdunn (Mar 9, 2011 04:17PM)
Theory 11 has apparently decided that laymen should learn one of the most popular and widely used close-up mysteries of the last few years -- the multiple bill change.

Theirs is called Prophet, which I saw for sale at ThinkGeek: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/e11b/?cpg=154H&head#tabs

The effect (based on Patrick Page's classic) looks much like Extreme Burn 2.0, a trick that I and many other magicians do.

Why expose the secret of a wonderful trick to the intended audience? Oh, yeah . . . maybe the trick should be spelled "profit," not "Prophet."

Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Mar 9, 2011 07:50PM)
Looks to me like it's even better than extreme burn. According to the ad, all the bills can be examined. How do people get away with this cr*p?

Message: Posted by: epoptika (Mar 11, 2011 05:50PM)
Perhaps they should also advertise their DVD's on the backs of cereal boxes and comic books.
Message: Posted by: Steven Conner (Mar 16, 2011 11:02AM)
On 2011-03-09 20:50, jimhlou wrote:
Looks to me like it's even better than extreme burn. According to the ad, all the bills can be examined. How do people get away with this cr*p?


This past Saturday was the 17th anniversary of the US Supreme Court ruling on the Parody of Music. It seems unless you have morals or ethics that there is no right or wrong. We certainly aren't protected as magicians. Unless we all combine our forces and boycott these people, it will probably never change.

Message: Posted by: obsidian52 (Mar 16, 2011 02:07PM)
Actually, I think that's how many of us goy our start, our interest in magic, from the backs (or insides sometimes of cereal boxes and the inside covers of comic books....I remember many times as a kid, what it would be like to have x-ray glasses, joy buzzers, whopee cushions and the like...gags, jokes, tricks, whats the difference....c'mon guys grow up 99.9% of spectators don't have a clue about gaffed coins, gaffed decks, or even TT's
Message: Posted by: dtextreme (Mar 30, 2011 11:38AM)
I think this is due to the fact that EB/EB2.0/Handout 500 and others are much more popular than Prophet (sales), causing Theory11 to make additional revenue through other means.

I also agree with obsidian52's point. It is bad if a lot of laypeople know how a particular effect is done, but it can also be argued that a layperson can walk right into a magic shop. In addition, a layperson will probably forget the method, and if a different effect is better in handling (I would argue EB in this scenario), the layperson would probably not know how it's done. Moreover, it's a great way to entice potential serious future magicians.
Message: Posted by: Jonace (May 10, 2011 08:31AM)
If you cant sell your magic. Sell some other persons magic :P

Seems like that is their philosophy :P
Message: Posted by: dooblehorn (May 13, 2011 09:25PM)
Well, not a big fan of think geek for reasons stated above.

However, that change looks really good! :wow:

And I have EB and EB2, and am a big fan of Richard Sanders.
But, I hate to say, it really does look better.
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (May 15, 2011 08:08AM)
Not many laymen will plunk down the cash for it. Magic secrets have always been for sale and there's never been a mad dash for them to buy this stuff. Laymen have more important stuff to buy.

I'm more concerned about duffers screwing up tricks, exposing them, as well as the "magicians" that tip tricks to their non-magician friends.
Message: Posted by: Scott Fridinger (May 15, 2011 08:20AM)
The Prophet change is not really that exciting to me, and it is actually quite easy to figure out if you already have extreme burn, etc. Now, as far as selling it there for $16.00, that sucks, but there are other magic tricks there too.
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (May 19, 2011 07:36AM)
While I hate to see popular effects needlessly exposed, this has been happening forever. How many magic sets have cheap miniature versions of stuff magicians at the time were doing? Tons. You can buy a Svengali Deck just about anywhere, yet--in the proper hands--you can still mystify an audience with it.

The majority of laypeople honestly don't CARE how we do it...they just want to be entertained.

Heck, as magicians, we usually know how an effect is being done, yet we are still entertained when watching a well-performed trick.

Sometimes I think we need to step back and take an honest look at ourselves and then worry more about how WE are performing an effect, rather than who is selling it where.