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Topic: Magnetic implants -- pros and cons
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 21, 2011 09:43PM)
I've been thinking that a small magnet in the back of the hand might be very useful. Of course the insertion point would have to be chosen so the scar wouldn't be noticeable.

I don't travel much, but maybe airport security might be a problem now that I think of it.

I'm also concerned about qi flow through the meridians -- would a magnet mess that up or would the qi just flow around it?
Message: Posted by: Jumbopenny (Mar 21, 2011 11:23PM)
Wow, I admire your creativity and ambition, but I don't think that is a good idea. I love magnets, but use them as little as possible due to health concerns. Everything in moderation, but permanant implants is asking for trouble.

I don't even see a big advantage to doing this. You can't just leave it there so it's not a complete vanish. You can accomplish more with pure sleight of hand.
Message: Posted by: Hare (Mar 21, 2011 11:51PM)
I was thinking of having a 2" hole drilled through my hand for a cool penetration effect with a steel spike, but decided against it when I realized I'd drop my change a lot.
Message: Posted by: rklew64 (Mar 22, 2011 04:26AM)
Besides - how would you classic palm. See, instead I'm going to just shim my finger pads. Wow, this is it - body gaffing for magic, stellar!

Posted: Mar 22, 2011 5:35am
Sorry for the snarky.
I know foreign body implants are done for decorations such as ball bearings etc.
Man, if you commit - just know that it has to be done under sterile conditions and not knowing if it won't be rejected. If inmates can ink the whites of their eyes, why not.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Mar 22, 2011 05:34AM)
It could get really annoying whenever you wanted to get something out of the fridge. :goof:

Forget about the silverware drawer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgcBaxEv6VA&feature=related
Message: Posted by: Wes65 (Mar 22, 2011 05:58AM)
I doubt this would allow you to accomplish anything that couldn't be accomplished through other methods.
Message: Posted by: Sean Giles (Mar 22, 2011 11:38AM)
There is no such thing as chi and meridians. It's pseudo science sp I wouldn't worry about it. On the other hand, getting magnets implanted for a coin trick is madness! seriously! Maybe you are pulling our legs?
Message: Posted by: BanzaiMagic (Mar 22, 2011 02:54PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 12:38, seangiles wrote:
Maybe you are pulling our legs?
[/quote]

Probably so Sean. Still, it got me thinking about skin-tone appliances like those you could find/make here:

http://www.monstermakers.com/category/monster-makers-makeup-supplies.html/

The insertion of a small neo magnet seems to be a logical addition and would allow for some cool hol***t possibilities with a sleveless shirt. Securing the appliance would be an issue, perhaps.

Regards,

Alan
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 22, 2011 03:24PM)
Sean, I'm sure that's the case ;)
Message: Posted by: TWOCAN (Mar 22, 2011 03:36PM)
Don't do it,
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Mar 22, 2011 05:33PM)
I can't believe anyone would even consider doing this. If you're a really good coin magician, you don't need it. If you're not, it won't change that fact.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Mar 22, 2011 07:10PM)
I had to call 911 for the paramedics to get my hand off the refrigerator door :kermit:
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Mar 22, 2011 08:11PM)
If breast implants could be filled with a ferromagnetic liquid rather than saline solution, there would be some interesting holdout opportunities. Well, not for (most) male magicians, obviously.

:)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Mar 22, 2011 08:47PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 21:11, Chessmann wrote:
If breast implants could be filled with a ferromagnetic liquid rather than saline solution, there would be some interesting holdout opportunities. Well, not for (most) male magicians, obviously.

:)
[/quote]

And that leads us to some very strange magic DVD's that go way over the pornline.

Here's a three letter reason not to play with embedded magnets. MRI. One day you may need one.
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 22, 2011 08:55PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 21:47, Jonathan Townsend wrote:

Here's a three letter reason not to play with embedded magnets. MRI. One day you may need one.
[/quote]
Good point! I hadn't thought of that.
Message: Posted by: rklew64 (Mar 22, 2011 09:34PM)
How can anyone know when they would need an MRI or at all? I say go for it.
Message: Posted by: Wes65 (Mar 23, 2011 05:29AM)
Can you also go to a surgeon and get implants of personality, performing style and character? If a doctor can't make you entertaining you gained very little with your magnets.
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 23, 2011 06:57AM)
But if the audience is being entertained, why shouldn't the performer use a method that amuses him?

(well, aside from technical and health reasons as noted above)
Message: Posted by: Hare (Mar 23, 2011 12:05PM)
Because there isn't anything you can accomplish with a magnet surgically implanted in your hand, that you can't do with simple Sleight-of-Hand. Except maybe, increase your odds of developing an infection, or cancer, or magically erasing your laptop's hard drive whenever you type.
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 23, 2011 12:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-03-22 05:26, rklew64 wrote:
Besides - how would you classic palm. See, instead I'm going to just shim my finger pads. Wow, this is it - body gaffing for magic, stellar!
[/quote]
Took me a while, but I think you had the better idea of inserting a shim rather than a magnet. Thanks for the refinement!

Otherwise, à chacun son gauss ;)
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Mar 23, 2011 12:45PM)
Don't forget to oil it often to prevent rust. :goof:
[img]http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u203/jazzysnazzy_album/Tinman.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Mar 23, 2011 12:55PM)
A nickel-steel alloy with the right kind of plastic coating ought to do it.

:exclaim:
Message: Posted by: Hare (Mar 23, 2011 03:27PM)
You can do bullet-catching effects with this too, to put it to a good second use!

Posted: Mar 23, 2011 4:58pm
Sung to 'The Tin Man's Song' rather creatively.

(verse)

If a mans an empty kettle,
Full of magnets and also metal,
Attractive to PK;

He can make lots of money,
Using magnets doin' magic,
And show up on Today!

(chorus)

Oh, I, could foil a gun,
Stopping bullets with my thumb.
My heart it jumps,
Near ferrous-lumps!

(verse 2)

I'm attractive with the ladies,
The ones decked in metal-chicanery,
They cannot stay away.

The more Bling! I say the better,
Just keep me from es-cal-a-tors,
And keep
500 pound anvils,
Out-of my-way.
Message: Posted by: kinzo (Mar 24, 2011 05:31AM)
Haha, that's interesting. You could do some amazing stuff, I wonder if your body would eventually spit it out. I had a deep splinter one time that I thought would never come out and it eventually just worked it's way back to the surface of my skin sideways after a few months, really weird.

Posted: Mar 24, 2011 7:26am
After thinking about it, I think that was because it was in my skin and that's the way skin grows (duh! ). Skin toned magnets would be cheaper and you wouldn't have to worry when swapping out a hard drive
Message: Posted by: JosephKerr (Apr 7, 2011 12:34PM)
There is a body modification expert that will implant a magnet in your hand. Its actually quite cool. The magnet has to be encased in a Silicone casing to prevent it from breaking down in your body. One
of the cooler results is that you will become able to sense electromagnetic fields in the environment around you. If you've ever been wearing a PK ring and walking down the street and you can suddenly feel it vibrating,
it's similar to that. I'm in NYC and when I'm walking through mid-town it happens all of the time.
http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mods/news/2006/06/71087

This article is from 2006 and I'm sure he's made improvements on his methodology over time.

In some of the early models, the outer sheath would break down and expose the magnet. Then the magnet would eventually shatter within the persons hand and they would lose the magnetic "power", however after time the magnet would reassemble and the power would come back
Message: Posted by: Arkadiy K (Apr 7, 2011 12:45PM)
Thanks, Joseph! I wasn't too serious when I started this thread, but it was interesting to read that article.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Apr 7, 2011 01:35PM)
They can grow live Sanada gimmicks on mice now.
Message: Posted by: prototype (Apr 7, 2011 04:17PM)
Consider hiding a magnet under a band-aid on the back of your hand.
Message: Posted by: PAUL K (Apr 7, 2011 06:26PM)
How about a PK Ring.
Message: Posted by: rdwinc (Apr 7, 2011 10:24PM)
The Band-aid idea is just too cool - I can't wait. I have a insulin wireless pump that is stuck to me - and when I explain what it is - they believe it - well it's true - but just think....
David
Message: Posted by: Lawrence O (Apr 8, 2011 07:55AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-07 19:26, PAUL K wrote:
How about a PK Ring.
[/quote]

Paul, if you are actually using a PK ring in real life, you irremediably realized that it places the magnet in the hand at a place that is not totally convenient. This either forces you to limit its use or to make strange "magician's moves"

The band aid is a practical solution to have the magnet wherever you need it. A magician (sorry I forgot his name) had the idea of placing one on his neck with an upper unstuck part for collecting or ditching coins). Eric Jones places one on his inner fore arm and came with the misdirection moves for collecting a coin set from there in the most magical way... I'm using one on the second knuckle (close to the outer one) of the ring finger for a side magnet chop cup. A PK ring cannot do this for you.

Another practical overlooked solution is the one invented by the very smart British magician William Zavis who placed a magnet half way into his wand and, according to the way the wand is held (between the first finger and thumb or in rest position between the first and middle finger), it naturally makes contact with the object to attract or not. He demonstrated it with too short a wand in a cups and balls routine but the principle is very ingenious. I worked on the principle using a magnet sliding in a restricted space (from 1/2 to 3/4) inside a wand (with sponge as shock absorbers) in a real size wand and developped the required moves following William Zavis' concept. In my Cylinder and Coins routine it enabled me to work miracles that magicians could probably not otherwise hope for.

Now who says that if you are using a magnetic wand you cannot use another magnet under a band aid as well for varying the means to your different effects...? Are we bound to use only one palming technique? Is it a shame to combine palming with a shuttle pass or a Change Over Palm?

Does sitting on the shoulders of the giants that came before us means that we should simply stay on our a**es there doing only what they are carrying us for?
Message: Posted by: oso2you (Apr 14, 2011 10:44PM)
You guys are too creepy for me. I'm going over to "Knots and Loops" for awhile:)
Message: Posted by: Jumbopenny (Apr 14, 2011 11:43PM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-14 23:44, oso2you wrote:
You guys are too creepy for me. I'm going over to "Knots and Loops" for awhile:)
[/quote]

lol
Message: Posted by: Bill Wood (Apr 27, 2011 07:37PM)
I bought a product a few years ago called "The Unicorn" it was marketed as being the next "Raven". Well young and inexperienced me was rather unimpressed with the a magnet and a band aid and the instructions 'wear it on your wrist'. Now looking back I think it's probably a viable vanish.
Message: Posted by: k (May 4, 2011 03:30AM)
The band air idea is a great one, imma use that !

My hands crack in the upper part of my palm when I tense them a certain way.. the patter I use when I do coin magic or muscle pass is "i got magnets on my palms which help me go against gravity, wanna check ? put your fingers on my palm" and !Crack! >.< always have freaky reaction over that one...

As for beleivers of Chi and meridians, (i'm part asian so it's natural for me), magnets will have an impact on it, tho it would be positive depending on where you put it. (normaly on your wrist)

There's a magnetised bracelets you find in most pharmacies for people with arthritis. Or even another bracelet kind of the Power balance, but instead of a hologram, it's a magnet.

You could always stick a magnet with skin colored latex, or a soft TT for the index or pinky finger... ?
Message: Posted by: WillStelfox (Jun 8, 2014 10:10AM)
Looks like I'm the only one here who's had a magnet implanted in my hand, so here's some things to know :)

- Very painfull to get (done without anesthetic)
- Takes 10 full days to heal, it hurts to move your hand until the healing is done
- Once healed you can pick up coins, pk rings, sense magnets such as the one in Spike
- Scar is still very visible after 5 months
- No problem going through airport security
Message: Posted by: CarpetShark (Jun 9, 2014 06:44PM)
[quote]On Jun 8, 2014, WillStelfox wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one here who's had a magnet implanted in my hand, so here's some things to know :)

- Very painfull to get (done without anesthetic)
- Takes 10 full days to heal, it hurts to move your hand until the healing is done
- Once healed you can pick up coins, pk rings, sense magnets such as the one in Spike
- Scar is still very visible after 5 months
- No problem going through airport security [/quote]

Wow...I'm trying to decide if I am impressed with your devotion (wrong word, but can't come up with a better one) or freaked out by the sheer insanity (that's the right word, imo!) of self mutilation in order to do a few coin tricks. It's not the pain involved, it's the fact that systemic infection is a real possibility... so kids, do NOT do this at home.
Message: Posted by: DallasFrank (Jun 12, 2014 09:59AM)
I have thought of some interesting applications with a pacemaker magnet.Very strong and will hold through fabric.
Frank
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Jun 12, 2014 10:04PM)
[quote]On Jun 8, 2014, WillStelfox wrote:
Looks like I'm the only one here who's had a magnet implanted in my hand, so here's some things to know :)

- Very painfull to get (done without anesthetic)
- Takes 10 full days to heal, it hurts to move your hand until the healing is done
- Once healed you can pick up coins, pk rings, sense magnets such as the one in Spike
- Scar is still very visible after 5 months
- No problem going through airport security [/quote]

You ARE joking aren't you?
Message: Posted by: lithyem (Jun 15, 2014 02:07PM)
Just to be clear I'm not saying this is a great idea but I will raise the notion that people get body modifications for ego, self worth and vanity reasons daily. It's actually a multi-BILLION dollar industry. Does anyone NEED a facelift? Breast implants? (Leaving legit reasons out of this question, mastectomy, etc) Earrings?? Tattoos? Now this guy asks about a body mod for what is essentially a practical reason and he's getting the sh!t kicked out of him. Nobody here has a tattoo or a piercing? I know a lot of guys here are a bit old school and that's fine but we're not far from bio-integrations like subdermal implants and interfaces. Contact lenses with heads up displays, tattoos that monitor a pregnant mothers' vitals, computer controlled prosthetics that allow double amputees to RUN. These are all real, right now.

Not endorsing implants but just asking If body mods are acceptable for vanity why not for function?
Message: Posted by: Herr Brian Tabor (Jun 23, 2014 01:16AM)
[quote]On Apr 8, 2011, Lawrence O wrote:

A magician (sorry I forgot his name) had the idea of placing one on his neck with an upper unstuck part for collecting or ditching coins). [/quote]

Danny Archer, he calls this "Coin-Aid." It's on the Coin-Vention DvDs from his as well.
Message: Posted by: tombola (Jul 4, 2014 05:13PM)
I was thinking of doing something similar! I might do a modification to the skin on my left wrist, I want a slit on the underside of the wrist and expand the skin on the underside of my underarm, making a skin-sleeve, so I can do the "the pumpkin seed vanish" from bobo's while not wearing anything. Maybe on the beach or in the sauna. But since my starsign is aries Im afraid it will mess up my feng shui at home?
Message: Posted by: Terapin (Jul 17, 2014 01:58AM)
Is there any milage in a small powerful magnet concealed in the crook of the fingers, with a flesh-tone 'fake skin' over it?
Message: Posted by: Douglas.M (Jul 20, 2014 11:42AM)
As mystery artists, we modify or purchase pre-modified things: coins, pens, paper money, playing cards, shirts, jackets, pants, keychains, wallets, etc., etc. I guess "self modification" is a kind of threshold. Even contemplating crossing that threshold obviously makes some people uncomfortable. But...If the risks are low enough and one can afford it...why not? Such a procedure would merely be yet another weapon in a performer's toolbox. And if a magnet in the hand is the beginning of the Augmented Magician, then the sky's the limit. In the future, questions regarding whether a performer has"had work done" might not be about face lifts.
Message: Posted by: jazzy snazzy (Jul 20, 2014 09:36PM)
Just hope that you never need an MRI.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Jul 20, 2014 10:34PM)
[quote]
- Very painful to get (done without anesthetic)
[/quote]

And I can imagine fairly painful afterwards.
If I had a dollar for every time the magnet in my back pocket accidentally slammed up against the posts at the gas station..... :-)
Message: Posted by: lrvick (Nov 16, 2014 06:19AM)
So I actually have a magnet implanted in my right ring fingertip. It is powerful enough to pick up table silverware, spin them on my finger etc.

The best part is when I sometimes explain I have a magnet in my finger to spectators they almost never believe me and still keep asking how I -really- do it.

Happy to answer questions and would love any good effect ideas.

Semi-related I also have rewritable NFC tags implanted in the backs of each of my hands. Can touch someone else's phone to my hand and have it open a picture of their card ;)
Message: Posted by: Al Desmond (Nov 19, 2014 01:43PM)
[quote]On Apr 7, 2011, Arkadiy K wrote:
Thanks, Joseph! I wasn't too serious when I started this thread, but it was interesting to read that article. [/quote]

If you weren't too serious, why are you wasting our time?
Message: Posted by: FatherWilliam57 (Nov 19, 2014 04:33PM)
Might help with arthritis. On the other hand, it might suck the iron out of your blood. Or demagnetize your wristwatch. If you wear braces, flossing your teeth could become disastrous. Of course, if you got one in each hand, you could still clap. Once. Oh, decisions, decisions... :whatthe:
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Feb 17, 2018 12:55PM)
Reviving an old thread here, but I've just reached the 6-month milestone with my implant and I thought I'd throw my two cents in for anyone researching getting one of their own.

Mostly, I think magicians need to understand straight away that you aren't putting an m5 in your finger. The magnets used for these implants are powerful, but very small. The procedure was invented with the goal of sensing alternating EMF fields; they are not optimal for controlling permanent magnets. Many magicians may be disappointed that they don't have more "power" from their implant. Don't get me wrong, you can do *amazing* PK work with these and they can often operate at a significant distance, it's just that the forces are smaller. Do not expect things to fly across the table when you wave your hand, but rather expect to see subtler and slower movements.

If you do get one, know that both the sensory experience *and* your ability to move and lift objects will increase over time. The first is obvious as your nerves heal, but the second less so. Human tissue is a very effective blocker of magnetic fields. Because the implants are so small, and magnetic power is exponential with distance like gravity, even a few millimeters can make a big difference. As the wound heals and the swelling goes down, your magnet gets closer to the surface of your skin. You get more power out of it, and objects are easier to lift because a balancing point between the poles becomes more accessible.

Do your research about the different options for coating and magnet size, and make sure you know the details of the magnet that is implanted. Smaller magnets provide more sensitivity in the fingertips, larger magnets provide more movement and lifting power. Do not implant anything less than N52 grade, as it's simply not worth the effort. As for the actual procedure, I highly recommend finding a professional trained by Steve Haworth, or going to Steve himself if you are able. I think it's worth having this done by someone with experience and knowledge. That said, a professional body-mod artist (in the US at least) cannot use anesthetics. The pain is very intense. If you know someone with medical training who could do this for you at home with some internet-purchased lidocaine, consider that option.

Pros:
The magnet is right out in front, directly next to the props, and nobody will ever see it.
The sensory experience of alternating EMF fields is very strong.
Just right for activating magnetic switches like hall-effect sensors and reed switches.
PK objects respond directly to your hand, allowing complete freedom to focus on performance.
Ultimate reliability and consistency. Never get caught without it. Always active. Position and polar orientation in your finger is fixed, so the *sweet spots* become very easy to find.
Perfect example of Teller's axiom. If they begin to suspect the truth, they will dismiss the idea as ridiculous. Even if you tell them directly, they think it's part of the show and they won't believe you.

Cons:
No kidding, it's *extremely painful*. *EXTREMELY PAINFUL*. :arg: Do not ignore this warning.
It takes months for your nerves to heal fully.
Scar is still visible after 6 months. (That said, I'm not deformed, and it's nothing that would raise suspicion or distract an audience.)
Mileage may vary with your ability to sense and control permanent magnets from a distance. It will all depend on how your magnet finally chooses to settle under your skin.
Risk of rejection or infection like any piercing. Pay close attention and be disciplined about the after-care routines until you are fully healed.

I got this knowing that I had a particular use for it as a magician, but the main reason was that I wanted to explore body-tech modification, and this was an easy entry-level procedure to try. Overall, it's one of the coolest things I've ever done for myself and I am very glad I went through with it. I'm hooked and ready to join the grindr cult. In 6 more months I plan to get an RFID chip implanted. But if you don't have that extra interest, I am not sure this is worth the surgery just for PK magic.
Message: Posted by: Signet (Feb 18, 2018 09:33AM)
I happen to be a licensed nurse. What you are describing is very a very dangerous thing. Any doctor or nurse that performed such a procedure would no doubt face disciplinary action. You are having a foreign body placed directly into your finger. You run a high risk of infection as well as an autoimmune response. What ever metal the magnet is made from can also leach out into your blood and poison you. Neodymium magnets are made from rare earth materials. Where I live they are attempting to extract these materials from coal waste. I sure would not want to put that in my body.
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Feb 18, 2018 12:39PM)
You need the back that up with some science, because I think youíre just giving your knee jerk opinion and have not actually researched this matter. Thousands of people around the world have these implants. Can you supply some statistics on how many have had serious negative reactions, or cite studies on the specific risks that make this more dangerous than other bio- implants?

I do want my posts to be useful and accurate info for people researching the procedure, so letís talk about the serious risks you are concerned about. As a licensed nurse Iím sure youíre familiar with the advancements in bio-coating that have allowed implants to become a reality. My magnet is coated in titanium to keep it from chipping and then coated in bio-grade silicon. Itís a foreign body, but so is a pacemaker, the nails they put it a broken leg, or the ID chip in my catís neck. The risks of infection are no greater than any other small piercing. Itís fairly large and itís in a sensitive spot, so the basic risks of a piercing are more likely to occur than with an ear piercing, but no more severe. The magnet is very close to my skin and if my body rejected it, it would literally just push itís way out like a splinter. This is not an assumption, it happened to an acquaintance. He waited a month and had the magnet re-implanted and now itís been in there for years.

Really I think your ideas come from a lack of understanding magnets. Are you against medical implants in general? Probably not, but something about the mystery of magnets makes people nervous. Iíve been told I canít have an MRI by people who operate the machines every day but donít understand the actual physics that they employ. Thatís absurd. I havenít needed one, but plenty of other people with the implants have had them without consequence, and with some study of magnetism you can understand why. Your fear of ďrare earth materialĒ gives you away. Youíre scared of things you donít understand. Heavy metal poisoning is a risk, but the rare earth mineral in my magnet is Neodymium, and itís not a heavy metal. The other main component in the alloy is Nickel, which is of course a heavy metal. But you are talking about an object that is millimeters in size and ~10% Nickel corroding at a very slow rate. Even if the coating was dissolved and the titanium got badly chipped, it would take a year or more before I risked even losing my finger, and thereís just not enough Nickel in there to cause anything more serious. If your math and medical expertise suggests that it *is* enough Nickel, please show your work.

Just because itís in coal doesnít make it dangerous. Coal is primarily carbon. You donít want that in your body either?

Let me be very clear: Your medical expertise puts you in a good position to talk about the general risks of bio-implants. Your dismal understanding of the physical properties of magnets and your general chemo-phobia should preclude you from commenting on the specific risks of this procedure. As I said before if you have some studies or even anecdotal evidence you can cite to back up your claims, please feel free to share.

The one thing you said that is true is the one thing I already addressed: For legal reasons, in the US at least, this cannot be done by a medical professional. You must find a body-mod artist trained in the procedure or someone willing to do it at home who isnít risking their career.
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Feb 18, 2018 01:51PM)
In the interest of science and accuracy:

Reading over my post I see a mistake. I said Nickel is part of the magnetic alloy, and itís not really. It is used in many neodymium magnets as a surface to protect the actual alloy, which is mostly iron. A little iron in my blood wonít hurt me, but to be honest once I started thinking about it, I realized I am not sure if my magnet was coated in titanium *instead of* nickel, or just as an extra layer of protection.

Itís an academic point though. None of these metals are poisonous enough in these quantities to cause a sudden emergency.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD (Feb 18, 2018 02:33PM)
Sounds sort of like a bodybuilder injecting Synthol into his biceps. He thinks he looks good. Everyone else thinks he's an idiot.
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Feb 18, 2018 02:46PM)
I think I look entirely unenhanced. Itís kind of the point.

When the silverware on the table spins and laptops shut down with a wave of my hand, my audiences are stunned and many of them want to launch long conversations about the *true* possibility of psychic ohenomena, They donít know how I did it, so they canít judge my allegedly egotistical methods. I didnít post here for the judgment of other magicians, I posted to provide the info, and the report of a successful and satisfying experience. Do with it as you will.

Iím a psychic you know, so hereís a prediction. Someoneís about to complain that itís a bad idea to shut down laptops using a magnet...
Message: Posted by: Larry Barnowsky (May 12, 2018 06:36PM)
Check out this NY Times article
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/12/us/grindfest-magnet-implants-biohacking.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Mar 17, 2021 10:03AM)
I will celebrate 4 years with my implant this summer. Still no complications, and the ways Iíve found to utilize it for magic have only grown. Since then Iíve also had two NFC chips implanted, which I use to help control phones during Inject routines and other digital magic. Implants are a real option.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD25 (Mar 17, 2021 01:44PM)
[quote]On Mar 17, 2021, CR_Shelton wrote:
I will celebrate 4 years with my implant this summer. Still no complications, and the ways Iíve found to utilize it for magic have only grown. Since then Iíve also had two NFC chips implanted, which I use to help control phones during Inject routines and other digital magic. Implants are a real option. [/quote]
The so-called bodybuilders who injected synthol into their arms thought that was a real option. Now, some of them are risking amputation. Makes you wonder what the long term effects of this idiocy might be.
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Mar 17, 2021 04:26PM)
If youíve got any idea what youíre actually afraid of, Iím interested to hear it. So far in 4 years all Iíve heard is vague admonitions like this. My advice to those considering it, which is all Iím here to provide, is listen to others whoíve had it done and those who perform the implantation, as you would with any tattoo, piercing, or similar procedure. There are good reasons someone might choose to keep strapping the magnet to their knee and buy an NFC ring instead, but these unfounded medical fears shouldnít be one of them.
Message: Posted by: inigmntoya (Mar 18, 2021 12:12AM)
Do you have a medic alert bracelet or something else to let people know before they put you in an MRI machine if you're unable to communicate?
That could go badly otherwise.
Message: Posted by: Jeff Haas (Mar 18, 2021 12:38AM)
Did you guys ever check out the Silent Assistant? It does what you want without surgery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4twPl64tc
Message: Posted by: CR_Shelton (Apr 2, 2021 05:14PM)
[quote]On Mar 18, 2021, inigmntoya wrote:
Do you have a medic alert bracelet or something else to let people know before they put you in an MRI machine if you're unable to communicate?
That could go badly otherwise. [/quote]

Yes I do carry a card welcoming any medical professionals to remove it if they feel they must, but other people with the implants have had MRIs without complication. It's easier to find literature and guidelines about MRIs for people with cochlear implants, but the ideas are the same and there is precedence for all kinds of magnetic implants. It just requires some extra attention and planning. This can't be done with a simple piece of metal like an earring, which wants to stick to the sides or be ejected from the loop like a solenoid device, but when the object has its own magnetic field it simply tries to move into a compatible position with the other field, as magnets do. If you can keep your hand in that position, it will basically be invisible to the magnetic forces generated by the machine.

If I was awake and alert, I'd try to work with my doc to make it happen without removal, but he'd get the final word. I wouldn't want anyone to put me in one without knowing, mostly for the safety of their own machine and technicians, so that's why I carry the card. My primary doctor, for what it's worth, knows of my implant and just treats it as a curiousity.
Message: Posted by: gregg webb (Apr 4, 2021 07:49PM)
People used to ask David Roth if he had slits in his hands...they thought they had seen a coin there then it was gone, and vice versa. He realized this was a compliment the way Slydini did when people asked if there were slits in his table. Years later someone said that to me..."Do you have slits in your hands" after doing a coin routine and I realized I had achieved some kind of milestone. So, it is like the "How do you get to Carnegy Hall?" question, and the answer was "Practice". Here it is if you want them to think you've got slits in your hand, practice.

Seriously they insert chips into animals. In old sci-fi books people had sockets in their heads to plug computers in. Look at the Matrix and all that. Just don't forget magnets will wipe your bank cards, and MRI's as well. I stopped doing tricks with magnets because of that. Bob McAllister once gave me a very strong magnet covered in felt to deaden the sound, which you put in a back pocket, and a steel-shim half dollar.
Message: Posted by: jamieguitar (Jul 18, 2021 08:14AM)
[quote]On Apr 2, 2021, CR_Shelton wrote:
[quote]On Mar 18, 2021, inigmntoya wrote:
Do you have a medic alert bracelet or something else to let people know before they put you in an MRI machine if you're unable to communicate?
That could go badly otherwise. [/quote]

Yes I do carry a card welcoming any medical professionals to remove it if they feel they must, but other people with the implants have had MRIs without complication. It's easier to find literature and guidelines about MRIs for people with cochlear implants, but the ideas are the same and there is precedence for all kinds of magnetic implants. It just requires some extra attention and planning. This can't be done with a simple piece of metal like an earring, which wants to stick to the sides or be ejected from the loop like a solenoid device, but when the object has its own magnetic field it simply tries to move into a compatible position with the other field, as magnets do. If you can keep your hand in that position, it will basically be invisible to the magnetic forces generated by the machine.

If I was awake and alert, I'd try to work with my doc to make it happen without removal, but he'd get the final word. I wouldn't want anyone to put me in one without knowing, mostly for the safety of their own machine and technicians, so that's why I carry the card. My primary doctor, for what it's worth, knows of my implant and just treats it as a curiousity. [/quote]

This is not necessarily a response to this specific post, but to CR_Shelton and his sharing of knowledge about magnetic implants in general. I've got a lot of respect for your dedication to magic! When I read the beginning of this thread, I was sure it was a joke. However, after continuing reading, it seems quite clear that not only is this real, but you have done a lot of research into this topic.
Message: Posted by: NicholasD25 (Jul 18, 2021 11:28AM)
Still think itís an idiotic idea.
Message: Posted by: Chuck Finley (Jul 18, 2021 03:49PM)
This would be like breast implants after having them done you would just want them bigger and bigger. Pretty soon they would be so big you would have back issues and then you would have to have them removed altogether making you would feel less attractive. Then you'll turn to medication to help with the depression and then next thing you know your on talk shows wondering who the father of your children are. and then, and then, and then, and theeeennnnnnnn!
Message: Posted by: jamieguitar (Jul 21, 2021 11:27AM)
[quote]On Jul 18, 2021, NicholasD25 wrote:
Still think itís an idiotic idea. [/quote]
Yeah. I'm not saying that it's something that I would ever do, but it does demonstrate a certain level of dedication.