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Topic: Tenyo: old and improved
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (Apr 2, 2011 11:09PM)
As we all know, Tenyo tricks come with instructions describing how the trick is done - at least, how the Tenyo creators intended them to be done. Some are terrible (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=307462&forum=258&66), some are excellent (http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=295628&forum=258&73).
And some have been improved upon (IMO) by practitioners. For instance:

Burglar Ball
The instructions call for the box to be covered by a cloth. But 'playwithsand' uses a variation where the box is always visible - much more impressive. I use this version and it blows people away (it's not hard to figure out if you know how the trick is done).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeGRZLAhm8w

Ribbon Forever
Here the instructions call for the ribbon to be pulled from the plastic wallet to show the restoration. But 'cormatches' (our own Magic Patagonia) keeps the ribbon in place and reveals the transformation within the window - as close to perfect magic as you can get.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6IHiW7UfpU

Dynamic coins
Usually performed with a bang ring, this is a great trick. But 'boldmereR' does it WITHOUT the ring, making it much more magical (and confounding everyone in this Café as to how he does it: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=392364&forum=258&8 ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La-cmq3Ahh0

Here is also a tip site for a number of Tenyo tricks, many offered by non-Tenyo employees:
http://www.tenyo.co.jp/magic_en/tips/

Anyone else have examples?
Message: Posted by: DLF (Apr 3, 2011 12:04AM)
These are really great examples, particularly the Dynamic Coins being done without the ring.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 3, 2011 05:13AM)
On their website Tenyo offers some "Hot Tips" as well. I like quite a few of them....

http://www.tenyo.co.jp/magic_en/tips/right.html
Message: Posted by: xl18 (Apr 3, 2011 11:08PM)
I usually just follow the instructions when doing these tricks but my son likes to innovate and come up with his own way of doing them.
Here are a couple of them that he came up with that I found to be interesting:

Floating Card
He puts the deck in the spectator's hand and then holds the spectator's hand from below "to keep it steady". He then makes the card float while the spectator is holding the deck.
What I like about doing it this way is that it appears the the magician is not touching the deck at all when the card starts floating. Also since the spectators hand is being held in front of them it is very difficult for them to bend down and peek under the floating card which was to me always the biggest problem with the trick.

Menta Marvel
In this routine the covers are not written on at all. Instead he writes his prediction on the right side of the slate. Then he covers up the right part of slate and has the spectator write his answer on the left part of the slate. At the end when the covers are removed the prediction and the item the spectator wrote are on the same slate one next to the other. This to me seemed more impressive then having them on two separate slates.

Billscape/Mystery Poodle
Not really a different way of doing the tricks but a cute routine done by combining 2 Tenyo tricks.
A $100 dollar bill is put into the Billscape case. A guard dog(poodle) is put on top of the wallet to guard the money. Suddenly the dog starts barking! The case is quickly opened to find that indeed the $100 bill was stolen as it has vanished from the wallet.
You could probably follow this up with Unusual Suspects to find out who did it.

Feel free to let me know what you think of these or offer your own improvements.
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 4, 2011 05:10AM)
Maybe you will allow me to publish these tips on my blog? they are very good.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 4, 2011 07:21AM)
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On 2011-04-04 00:08, xl18 wrote:
Billscape/Mystery Poodle
Not really a different way of doing the tricks but a cute routine done by combining 2 Tenyo tricks.
A $100 dollar bill is put into the Billscape case. A guard dog(poodle) is put on top of the wallet to guard the money. Suddenly the dog starts barking! The case is quickly opened to find that indeed the $100 bill was stolen as it has vanished from the wallet.
You could probably follow this up with Unusual Suspects to find out who did it.
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Fantastic idea! Looking forward to using that routine, thanks :)
Message: Posted by: magic patagonia (Apr 4, 2011 10:48AM)
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Floating Card
He puts the deck in the spectator's hand and then holds the spectator's hand from below "to keep it steady". He then makes the card float while the spectator is holding the deck.
What I like about doing it this way is that it appears the the magician is not touching the deck at all when the card starts floating. Also since the spectators hand is being held in front of them it is very difficult for them to bend down and peek under the floating card which was to me always the biggest problem with the trick.

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great idea to avoid the spectator to peek under...also he gets more involved with the levitation.
Message: Posted by: xl18 (Apr 4, 2011 04:32PM)
You can also involve the spectator more by having him wiggle his fingers over the deck to make the card float and sink :)

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On 2011-04-04 06:10, stereo wrote:
Maybe you will allow me to publish these tips on my blog? they are very good.
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Sure Stereo, be my guest.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 5, 2011 03:02AM)
Stereo, not sure if you already included the tips from Angelo's site in your blog....?
For anyone interested, here's the link http://www.tenyoworld.co.uk/tipsandroutines.htm
Message: Posted by: stereo (Apr 5, 2011 09:16AM)
I've seen these tricks, but I do not want to loot the tips of his site... If one day Angelo decides to close its site for one reason or another so I ask him if he do not mind if I use his info before they disappear. For the moment this is not the case and people who want to see these tips can simply go to the Angleo website.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 5, 2011 12:49PM)
Great attitude, stereo! However, simply going to Angelo's site does not seem that easy - yesterday I could not access http://www.tenyoworld.co.uk directly, only the subpages were accesible, that's why I asked.
But maybe it was only temporary?

PS Of course did I assume you would have aked for his permission...!
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Apr 6, 2011 09:19AM)
Talking about old and improved, I remembered I once bought a second hand Future Clock and when I got it I noticed thet seller made it look more 'old'. I looked it up for you guys and took a picture:

[img]http://www.tenyo.be/images/futureclocknew.jpg[/img]

As you can see the clock itself has been covered with gold paint (needs some repaint in some areas) and the cover/shell has been modified with leather-looking pieces. There was also a nice box where the clock fits in. Very nice if you ask me.

This guy on Youtube seems to have done a similar thing with Angelo Carbone's Squeeze thru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdbE419FfI and Tenyo's Ultra Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xg33eUSDVo ... or did he just make his own version of the tricks from scratch ... or is it a cheap ripoff? I don't know.

Perhaps some ideas for those using Tenyo in actual performances :)
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 6, 2011 09:51AM)
Awesome modifications, looks stunning! I really wish Tenyo would have had a 'vintage line' with all the props looking like that...
Message: Posted by: DLF (Apr 6, 2011 02:06PM)
Somewhat recently there were a couple of pieces in the Martinka auctions that had been covered with wood veneers. They were stunning. They looked like stage props.
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (Apr 19, 2011 12:54PM)
Illusion Truck
The usual presentation is with a folded up kerchief with the lion inserted to make it disappear (once again, something covered up):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSb6XgyiBjM

But these two presenters forgo the "cover up" to make the vanish happen in plain sight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VunUNT08lHA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMnXjU4bjg4
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (May 11, 2011 06:47AM)
[quote]
On 2011-04-06 10:19, Killertweety wrote:

This guy on Youtube seems to have done a similar thing with Angelo Carbone's Squeeze thru: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdbE419FfI and Tenyo's Ultra Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xg33eUSDVo ... or did he just make his own version of the tricks from scratch ... or is it a cheap ripoff? I don't know.

Perhaps some ideas for those using Tenyo in actual performances :)
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Wow never saw that video. It certainly looks like a knock off. That sucks!
Message: Posted by: Angelo Carbone (May 11, 2011 07:11AM)
BTW, http://www.tenyoworld.co.uk working ok now.
Message: Posted by: stereo (May 11, 2011 08:32AM)
Lol Killertweety the spammer !!! you are unmasked !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdbE419FfI
Message: Posted by: superpixel (May 11, 2011 11:18PM)
I'm going to buy another Blue Crystal and give it a steampunk look :)

Great idea on Floating Card, now I wish I'd kept it :O
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (May 13, 2011 02:26PM)
[quote]
On 2011-05-11 09:32, stereo wrote:
Lol Killertweety the spammer !!! you are unmasked !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LdbE419FfI
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LOL! Wtf? What did I say wrong?! Who marked me as spam grrrr ... was it you J M Talbot lol ;) I think he stole Angelo's version of Squeze thru and perhaps said I was spamming?
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (May 14, 2011 03:09PM)
Wow, and to think I thought you were an honorable guy Killertweety... or should I say Killerthiefy <g>

John
Message: Posted by: mikedobias (Dec 17, 2011 02:27AM)
When performing Blue Crystal (great effect!), I don't use the plastic covered playing card that came with the trick. While it looks cool for the card to penetrate the surface, the plastic card looks too suspicious. In fact, I don't call attention to the box being a blue crystal at all. I find that borrowing a spectator's ring and having it slowly sink into the box is much more impactful.

I weave in a story about magicians always being on the cutting edge of new technology, which can be magical until it becomes commonplace, like electricity, magnets. etc. I borrow a ring and allow the spectator to tap on the plastic surface of the box, then place the ring on the surface. I talk about a new type of plastic that can allow objects to penetrate it by simply waving another special piece of plastic over it (the blue plastic sheet), which I then do. After having the ring penetrate the surface I move the blue plastic sheet away and slide the ring around in the box, all the way to the corners, so they can really tell it's inside. Since I'm showing it at that point without the blue plastic, the ring isn't going to look blue, which is another reason not to use the playing card--why would the card turn blue, but not the ring? I tell them I have to simply flip the blue plastic over to reverse the process. Once it's risen back to the top, I then offer the ring back to them and allow them to touch the surface of the box.
Message: Posted by: John Mazza (Jan 11, 2012 05:52AM)
For Mystery China Box.
I like to perform it with young males who are into sports (no shortage of them).
What I do is say "would you like to play a game of Chinese basketball? The closer tube is 2 points and the further tube is a 3 pointer."
It drives them crazy when I continue to beat them.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jan 11, 2012 02:32PM)
Great idea, great avatar....
Nuff said.
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Jan 11, 2012 02:49PM)
That's indeed a great patter Azza!

But unless you in reality indeed are a white talking Tenyo collecting rabbit I'm afraid your avatar will be deleted ... . You have to post a picture of yourself (tweaked as much as you want, but is has to be you) ... not exactly a rule I like here at The Café to be honest :(
Message: Posted by: cyberdave03 (Jan 11, 2012 05:36PM)
[quote]You have to post a picture of yourself[/quote]

Then that means Nicolino is... THE SHADOW!!!
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jan 12, 2012 06:20AM)
The little picture of me was taken on a trip to Vienna (thus the Prater Riesenrad in the backgorund) when visiting my old friend Lubor.... :D
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Jan 12, 2012 11:11AM)
When David Roth used to run the magic counter at FAO Schwartz, decades ago, they carried many Tenyo tricks. He came up with his own handlings for about half a dozen, all of which involved sleight of hand (some quite difficult). He would demo the tricks with his own handlings.
Message: Posted by: J M Talbot (Jan 12, 2012 02:02PM)
Wonder if Roth could be convinced to film some of his old Tenyo presentations/handlings... would love to see that! Could be a nice addition to the Tenyo portion of the Genii Bash!<g>...
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Jan 13, 2012 04:26AM)
Like! :D
Message: Posted by: towledge (Jan 13, 2012 08:11AM)
I second that (or third).