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Topic: They just want to look
Message: Posted by: big k (Aug 9, 2003 11:35PM)
What do I do if this happens? Lets say I have a gimmick, and when I'm done, they want to look at it. What do I do? Just flat out say no? But then they think something is up. I would say the best possibility is saying no.

Thanks,

big k
Message: Posted by: Scott Xavier (Aug 10, 2003 07:53AM)
Or say, later, I'm going to perform this next trick. Improvise, when you fail at amazing and in the end are exposed you cease to be seen as a magician. You become a con man or trickster at best. The magic is happening in your audience. This means management is key!
Message: Posted by: Monte (Aug 11, 2003 03:22PM)
Learn how to manage an audience and this will very very rarely be a problem. Read up on Mike Close's material as he talks quite a bit about audience management. :where:
Message: Posted by: imagealter (Aug 12, 2003 10:42PM)
I usually feed them my hands and say, "Here, check out the gimmick but be careful, I need these for my next trick"
Message: Posted by: Mark Martinez (Aug 16, 2003 08:06PM)
Big K,

Changing the effect isn't a bad idea, but I don’t think you have to change the way you do the effect, change the way you end the effect...

By giving it an ending that goes right into another effect, you help take the heat off the first effect. Cups and balls is an example of this you make a small ball disappear, and then reappear under a cup, the appearance takes the heat off of any "funny" business that you as a magician have to do!

Yes audience management is a “must learn” skill, but routineing can also help this problem.
:goodluck:
Message: Posted by: Maestro (Aug 23, 2003 12:31AM)
Sometimes you can switch out a gimmicked object for a non-gimicked object. So then if they ask to examine the object it's not a big deal. This isn't always possible though.
Message: Posted by: eeesp (Aug 23, 2003 01:24AM)
I agree with both, remove the effect and if you want it in the show, wait untill you have the problem worked out. Then add it back.

Oh how many tricks I have in my magic drawer and in my head that I can not show because there is a risk I will get busted.
:idea:
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Oct 8, 2003 01:55PM)
It all depends what it is. Sometimes I do the retention pass as I am handing it to them. And I look suprised it vanished.
Message: Posted by: ManfredJack (Feb 11, 2016 03:13PM)
:)
Message: Posted by: Mr. Danny (Feb 14, 2016 07:43PM)
Say: Ok, BUT, there is a $40 examination fee! :)
Message: Posted by: Ado (Feb 14, 2016 10:50PM)
[quote]On Aug 10, 2003, big k wrote:
What do I do if this happens? Lets say I have a gimmick, and when I'm done, they want to look at it.[/quote]

Several possible outs:
1) Get rid of the trick. The gimmick is suspicious, thus no matter what, people WILL think it's a gimmick. And they'll be right. And the impact of your trick is lessened.
2) before the end of the trick, start another one. When you're done with the gimmick, put it in your pocket, and continue the other trick. May or may not work depending on the effect/gimmick
3) Give it to them, and hope they don't find how it works.
4) Improve your magic so that they don't feel the need to see the gimmick.

Simply put, I personally think that in close up settings, if a gimmick is seen (so, not a TT) but can't be examined, then it's a waste of money.

P!
Message: Posted by: funsway (Feb 15, 2016 12:52PM)
In my Medieval camp wandering days I would have pouch full of small objects and dump them out into an availabel plate or basket.

Spectators would then hand me an object and I would perform with it, or ask for an object and they would hand it over.

"How many silver coin sin there? Any about the size of a walnut? Could I borrow it please.

I never mention "examine" "look at," etc. There is no suspicion since I am using "their" object.

There is a special thrill in being able to apparently do a magic effect with any object(s!

All you need is several methods for switch an object during the hand off and back to the basket.

CSB, C/S transo, 2 in hand, etc. all with no problem or suspicion.
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Feb 20, 2016 12:25AM)
[Pause] "I said 'tah-dah.' Show's over." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5WajC-U2SM&t=0m18s
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 20, 2016 08:34AM)
[quote]On Feb 15, 2016, funsway wrote:
In my Medieval camp wandering days I would have pouch full of small objects and dump them out into an available plate or basket.

Spectators would then hand me an object and I would perform with it, or ask for an object and they would hand it over.

"How many silver coin sin there? Any about the size of a walnut? Could I borrow it please.

I never mention "examine" "look at," etc. There is no suspicion since I am using "their" object.

There is a special thrill in being able to apparently do a magic effect with any object(s!

All you need is several methods for switch an object during the hand off and back to the basket.

CSB, C/S transo, 2 in hand, etc. all with no problem or suspicion. [/quote]

Yes! Many years ago, the late Gen Grant published a mimeographed manuscript about this sort of thing. I think he called it the "Challenge Magic Act".

He "carried" a few "utility" props like a TT. It was a good "lesson" in knowing principles! He would do a trick with "any object" that was handed to him.

Martin Gardner's "ENCYCLOPEDIA OF IMPROMPTU MAGIC" had not been printed yet.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Feb 20, 2016 08:53AM)
This is obviously an ANCIENT thread!

See, the OP! A GIMMICK should never be seen by the audience!
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Apr 21, 2016 11:19AM)
If it's okay I will steal that idea Funsaway
Message: Posted by: obrienmagic (Jun 9, 2016 06:30PM)
The perfect example of this is the linking rings. When I first started I was asked all the time to see them. But then I changed it you and started doing this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmNjD1oRp4w

Notice how the audience touches the rings a lot during the routine. They have no reason to want to examine them afterwards because they feel as if they have already examined them.

Now in your case, I would suggest finding a way to bring the heat off of the gimmick and more onto something else (lead them down the wrong path) so that eventually they will ask to "inspect the thing you lead them too which is nothing...

For example if you are working with a svengalli (another gimmick that is constantly asked to be examined) I always end with a card to impossible location. I place the deck into my pocket and cleanly show both hands empty. Then produce the card from somewhere impossible. Hand them the card and let them try to figure out how it got there. As icing on the cake I hen remove a different deck (that matches the svengalli) and the card case, put the deck in the case and hand everything to them.

There are several ways around it. Just depends on how you perform. It is like being heckled in a way. They will only really ask if you give them a reason to.
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 12, 2016 12:17AM)
Like others have said. I never do a trick with. Gimmick unless it can be examined after or I can remove it. Such as a sh***
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 12, 2016 05:19AM)
[quote]On Feb 20, 2016, Dick Oslund wrote:
This is obviously an ANCIENT thread!

See, the OP! A GIMMICK should never be seen by the audience! [/quote]

Kindly note: A gimmick is an UNSEEN device. It is, technically, a prop, but, should never be seen by the spectator.

Linking Rings, and "Sevengallis" are visible props with which a magician PERFORMS a TRICK.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Jun 12, 2016 03:29PM)
[quote]On Jun 12, 2016, Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse wrote:
Like others have said. I never do a trick with. Gimmick unless it can be examined after or I can remove it. Such as a sh*** [/quote]


Hi! Technically speaking, a sh*** is NOT A GIMMICK. A sh*** is a feke!

PM me, and, I'll explain the difference!
Message: Posted by: Kyoki_Sanitys_Eclipse (Jun 13, 2016 02:32AM)
Wow I didn't know that there was a difference. Pm sent
Message: Posted by: JassTan (Nov 4, 2016 06:08PM)
Best situation is to have an effect that you can switch out the gimmicked for a non-gimick mention by Maestro.
if not try to quickly get into another routine where it does require a gimmick.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 4, 2016 07:41PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2016, JassTan wrote:
Best situation is to have an effect that you can switch out the gimmicked for a non-gimick mention by Maestro.
if not try to quickly get into another routine where it does require a gimmick. [/quote]

JassTann! First! You can't "have" an effect! An effect is what the spectator perceives or thinks that he perceives.

Sorry, but the rest of your statement, makes no sense whatsoever! BTW, what is a "gimmicked"?
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 4, 2016 07:55PM)
Yup! It's an ANCIENT THREAD!

I should have read the entire thread before my several comments. With the exception of Funsway, Monte and obrienmagic, the rest of the comments make little or no sense whatsoever. Except for Dynamike, Ado. and Maxfieldmagic. the others appear to have fallen into a black art well!
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Nov 4, 2016 08:02PM)
I should have read the thread from the beginning!

With the exception of Funsway and Monte, the other responders either don't know what an EFFECT IS, or their comments don't make much sense.

Well, MOST of the responders, seem to have fallen into their own black art well, anyway.

Someday, I'll publish a book with definitions of common terms.