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Topic: Shoot's Ninja Rings
Message: Posted by: ade (May 23, 2011 10:37AM)
Does anyone know where to get Ninja Rings that Shoot Ogawa used to carry? Now Shoot's rings are the Fantasma ones, but nowhere near the quality of the past ones... I haven't found any that seem to match. Matthew Garrett's ones are just a little too thin for me. Anyone knows?
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (May 23, 2011 10:52AM)
They are sold out, no announcement as to future plans. Shoot has them on his web site as sold out, but has not removed the listing in over a year, so we can only hope one day.

Message: Posted by: ade (May 23, 2011 11:51AM)
Sigh :( I was hoping that there might be somewhere with stock left! I know the last I spoke to Shoot that the factory for chroming the rings closed, so he doesn't know if he will carry it again. But just hoping that someone might know any shop which still has leftovers!
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (May 24, 2011 09:02AM)
They pop up for sale here at the forum once in a while, but I doubt you'll find any shops that have sets available.

I purchased a few sets of each (gold and silver) back in the day since I figured that they weren't going to be available forever. This is usually the case for quality magic apparatus. By the way, if one has a few minutes, I'd recommend heading over to James Riser's website to see how much time, energy, and money is required to construct a quality prop. He has a step-by-step analysis of constructing a set of linking rings (in this case Martin Lewis' McAbee Rings).
Message: Posted by: Xcath1 (May 24, 2011 08:27PM)
I am at IMX now, Shoot has many sets of the Gold rings available with him (no silver) I assume they can be purchased at his Web site as well
Message: Posted by: ade (May 24, 2011 11:17PM)
@ Xcath1: It still shows up as sold out on his site though. I guess I'll try PM-ing him.

@ MJ Marrs: I realised my mistake of not buying one more set (at least). I was still a student when I bought the first set and by the time I realised, no more stock!

Posted: May 25, 2011 6:24am
Thanks to Bill, I found the Ninja Rings still available at Hank Lee! You won't believe how happy I am!

If you're still looking for it, grab them before they're gone!
Message: Posted by: BobMc (May 26, 2011 11:01AM)
I hope I am wrong about this, but in my experiences with them their website does not really reflect what they have in stock. Every other online magic store I have used seems to be able to pull that off relatively well. Like I said, I hope I am wrong so please let us know. Good Luck!
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (May 26, 2011 12:13PM)
On 2011-05-26 12:01, BobMc wrote:
I hope I am wrong about this, but in my experiences with them their website does not really reflect what they have in stock. Every other online magic store I have used seems to be able to pull that off relatively well. Like I said, I hope I am wrong so please let us know. Good Luck!

You are correct, sir. I just called and it appears that the Ninja Rings which are for sale are not the high quality ones that Shoot was selling six or seven years ago. The ones they have on display at the website shows the Wizards Inn product that was made in Japan (the originals), but the ones for sale are from a different manufacturer that have the weld marks.

Message: Posted by: ade (May 27, 2011 01:54AM)
I sure hope not! They told me that the rings were in-stock. If it really turns out to be the Fantasma ones, I'd really complain, since I was looking only for the original. I'll keep everyone updated when they arrive as to which one exactly it is.

PS. I also run an online magic shop, but in no way do we purposely mislead our customers with the wrong pictures!
Message: Posted by: Matthew Jones (May 31, 2011 09:47PM)
I actually found a website and I thought that they were the real Ninja Rings and they even told me that they were the real Ninja Rings only in Silver not Gold, at the time I didn't care at all, when I ordered them and got them they weren't even the Ninja Rings, they were made specifically for the Ninja+ effect, not the Ninja Rings, and here's the kicker, these people haven't even contacted me in 2 years since I bought them, they are better than the rings I got when I first bought the Ninja Rings DVD but to do the 1 handed link is still nearly impossible to do with them, the website in question is Magic Whiz, never get those one's, even though they say Silver Ninja Rings they're not the Ninja Rings. http://www.magicwhiz.com/ninja-rings-45-magic-trick.html they do look like them but they're really in fact these one's:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S11480 they are completely different from the Ninja Rings, and I've talked to Fantasma and those aren't the real Shoot Ogawa Ninja Rings, they're either the knock-off version they came out with recently or the one's in my 2nd link.
Message: Posted by: MortenN (Jun 5, 2011 06:46PM)
How can one know that it is the real Shoot Ogawa gold rings?
My gold ring is set in a bag as it is written "2004, NINJA, Sp" on. The bag is not made ​​of velvet, but a kind of striped cotton fabric. The quality is very good on the rings, but I can not know without having seen the "real" rings.
The rings also have a "belt" as they are fastened together with a push button. Is it a real thing?
Does anyone know anything about this?
Has Shoot Ogawa sold Gold rings in such a bag?
Message: Posted by: Fábio DeRose (Jun 5, 2011 06:51PM)
Shoot's golden rings came with avelvet bag. The carton packaging, if I recall well, even had Soot's picture.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Jun 5, 2011 07:09PM)
My gold rings came with a striped bag, my silver rings came with no bag. Both were packaged in the official Ninja ring box.
Message: Posted by: ade (Jun 6, 2011 12:10AM)
MortenN: Yours should probably be the real thing. As I recall, Gold Rings come with the "belt" as you call it. The silver one does not have that nor the bag.

If you have handled the original, you can tell usually, straight off, if others are original or not. The quality simply differs. Thus far I've tried many. Garett's rings are okay, but I still prefer Shoot's. They are slightly thicker (and if I didn't remember wrongly, smaller).
Message: Posted by: atinczor (Jun 7, 2011 08:25AM)
I remember that I had really hard time finding the official Ninja Rings 3 years ago.. I kept following the online magic shops and once I found them in stock, ordered 2 gold and 1 silver set.. And I am glad I did..
Message: Posted by: ade (Jun 9, 2011 01:24AM)
Atinczor, great for you!

A quick update for everyone: the Hank Lee's "Ninja Rings" are NOT the original Ninja Rings. They are the Fantasma Rings which features Shoot Ogawa but are NOT Shoot's Rings. Please note that the picture online is a total mislead! I will be writing in to ask about this... Especially since I checked via email for "Shoot's Ninja Rings".

Posted: Jun 10, 2011 2:17am
Just an update that Hank has offered to rectify this the rings not being the ones that I'm looking for. Hank has mentioned that they thought the fantasma ones had the actual ninja rings.
Message: Posted by: halejs (Sep 30, 2011 11:35PM)
I've looked for several years for extra sets (I've got two) and even sent emails to Mr. Ogawa with no reply. Strange situation. There is a market for them, so you'd think somebody would come up with a high-quality version even if he won't. With all due respect to his performing talent.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Oct 1, 2011 12:05AM)
I spoke with Shoot the other day and he DOES HAVE THEM IN STOCK NOW. He had to re-negotiate with the manufacturer to get re-supplied.
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 1, 2011 01:19AM)
Shoot Ogawa has them on his site.


Gold $65.00
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Oct 3, 2011 06:40PM)
Thanks for the info. Better stock up on them now in case you gotta wait another decade.

Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Oct 7, 2011 08:45AM)
Thanks! Ordered a set!

Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 18, 2011 10:06AM)
Too bad the Nickle plated ones weren't re-ordered. I preferred them. Half the price and just as well made.
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Oct 18, 2011 10:12AM)
Got the Gold set to go along with my Nickle.

Nice, and like them both. Would be nice to have the Nickle ones re-ordered for sure.

What I really liked was some of the moves that come in the printed routine. They were not in the Nickle Plated set I got years ago, and they make for some great additions to my routine.

Haven't had a chance to watch the DVD, but it comes with the Ninja Rings DVD.

Message: Posted by: TheAmbitiousCard (Oct 21, 2011 03:05AM)
Got the new DVD by shoot on the rings.
There are a few new tidbits but not a whole lot.

1. a new opening which I do like. ( I never liked the spin link opener, esp. since I don't do it seated at all )
2. new tidbits on the spin link
3. a crash link variant.
4. further study on a couple existing moves.

He explains differences in different "small" rings that are available.

He even shows off one of my red ninja ring bags in explaining how to make the opening of the routine "elegant" and important to the spectators.
Message: Posted by: MagicallyMe (Nov 1, 2011 11:49PM)
Worth getting for sure. Shoot's handling of this really brought new life into the linking rings effect. I saw him perform this at the magic Castle and it was brillant!
Message: Posted by: gphrenol (Nov 20, 2011 04:47AM)
I have seen and like the nickel plated rings also. The well made ones are more classy for sure.
Message: Posted by: eddie2m (Nov 26, 2011 03:52PM)
I saw Shoot perform at a lecture and it was great. I got the wizards inn rings and I like them.
Message: Posted by: ade (Dec 4, 2011 11:21PM)
I've been waiting for MONTHS for Hank to send me the new rings... Apparently they are still not in. I think I might just go ahead and order those gold ones already..
Message: Posted by: MysticJohn (Dec 9, 2011 03:34PM)
Yes this is a great routine, I have a set I bought when they first came out , I'm glad I got em when I did.
Message: Posted by: Kane Mouri (Jun 28, 2012 10:22PM)
From my experience, I actually prefer Tenyo's china rings to Ogawa's ninja rings for several reasons.

1. The certain gimmicked portion slants in with the ninja rings, causing several moves (such as swinging the key ring with two fingers) to be unrealistic.
2. The ninja rings are pretty much inflexible, making adjustment of the gimmick fairly difficult.
3. The ninja rings are about twice the price if I recall correctly.
Message: Posted by: wally (Jul 17, 2015 01:59PM)
The rings you sold, Were they the Shoot ogawa ninja rings, I have just bought his dvd, Now require the best rings, I live in UK, He sells his for about $75 includes postage. are they worth that price, or should I try another source.Tenyo sound OK. please contact magicwalsh@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: wally (Aug 7, 2015 06:12AM)
Still looking for a set of shoots rings.
Message: Posted by: wally (Aug 8, 2015 03:00AM)
Well I give up looking for Shoot Ogawas rings, So has anyone got a long for the Empire rings or is the Tenyo China rings any good. Thank you. magicwalsh@gmail.com
Message: Posted by: wally (Aug 8, 2015 03:00AM)
I meant link
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Aug 8, 2015 11:06PM)
I have posted this previously, I have a set of Gold Shoot's Ninja Rings with 2 DVDs, instructional and the 50th Anniversary DVD. I purchased them from Shoot when he was here doing a lecture a couple years ago. Will sell for $130.00 plus postage to wherever. Still in the box, and never used. PM me if interested.