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Topic: Cocktail Shaker Cups & Balls
Message: Posted by: motown (Jun 29, 2011 11:47PM)
The other day I saw a picture in a book of 3 or 4 cocktail shakers lined up together.
It got me wondering if anyone had ever designed cups that for instance looked like the top
of a cocktail shaker. Something people might recognize. The balls could look like olives.
Any one ever seen anything like that?

Craig
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 30, 2011 12:41AM)
Tim Ellis uses milk shake metal cups, Joe Porper sells "Cocktail Surprise" and I've seen Shoot Ogawa do a routine with cocktail shaker.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 30, 2011 12:52AM)
Larry Grey had a routine called "Cup and a Half" that used two different-sized cocktail shakers. Only a few of these were made.

Yendor's World of Magic sold a chopped cocktail shaker outfit that used olives instead of balls. It was called "Shaken, Not Stirred."
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Jun 30, 2011 06:57AM)
Shaken, Not Stirred is a really nice little routine and I used to use it quite a bit in conjunction with Jiggernaut from Mark Jenest.

Cocktail Surprise from Joe Porper, as mentioned above by Pete Biro, is a really, really nice routine with great props. I personally do not own it but I have played around with a set owned by a friend of mine.

While it is not a cups and balls set but rather a chop cup, it does fit your cocktail shaker category: Roger Nicot has an item called The Bar Cup which I do own and use. There is the possibility of buying three of these to make a set of cups and balls though...
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Jun 30, 2011 09:42AM)
I've been experimenting with cocktail shakers in mini size for a couple of years. I have one right next to me on my desk as I write this that contains a load ball and a couple of Chopped Olives.
I have this idea in my head that there is unexplored territory here.
Porper's Cocktail Surprise left me wanting more...
A fellow out of Argentina put out a great brass cocktail shaker that did a Blendo with silks and then a liquid load that I found very interesting.
I been able to work out a unique way of doing a liquid load at the end of a chop cup routine, but I'm still not really happy with it.

If you want to do a cups and balls routine (instead of a chop cup routine) using a single cocktail shaker - you have 3 pieces to one unit: the shaker, the lid with the strainer, and the cap. It's probably best approached as a two cup routine using the shaker and capped lid. The cap can include a surprise, but IMO, any cocktail shaker routine needs a liquid load.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 30, 2011 09:52AM)
Mini shakers would work well as you say.
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Jun 30, 2011 10:02AM)
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On 2011-06-30 10:42, Donnie Buckley wrote:

If you want to do a cups and balls routine (instead of a chop cup routine) using a single cocktail shaker - you have 3 pieces to one unit: the shaker, the lid with the strainer, and the cap. It's probably best approached as a two cup routine using the shaker and capped lid. The cap can include a surprise, but IMO, any cocktail shaker routine needs a liquid load.
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That was my line of thinking - use the entire shaker. I also happen to agree with Donnie in the fact that when most people see a cocktail shaker, they immediately think of using it to mix a drink, whether it is alcoholic or not. How great would it be to be able to do a two-cup style routine with the shaker, perform some sort of Tea Kettle effect and at the end, pour off a cocktail for a spectator? Even without the Tea Kettle effect, that would be awesome.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Jun 30, 2011 10:10AM)
What will really drive you crazy is reading Alan Wakeling's routine for The Bar Act in his book "The Magic of Alan Wakeling". He does a sequence where any drink called for is poured from the cocktail shaker in the Drinks For The Audience sequence of the routine. It's not a close up routine and his handling requires a stage and an assistant, but it's brilliant.
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Jun 30, 2011 11:07AM)
Donnie, I agree. I also seem to remember Tom Mullica doing a version of that at a convention one year, where he also performed an entire evening show, complete with a Red Skelton tribute set. He was absolutely hilarious!
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Jun 30, 2011 11:53AM)
Ah... the Cocktail Generation. They really had it going on. I'd love to have seen that routine performed in its heyday.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jun 30, 2011 12:32PM)
A friend of mine is reviving the old "Think A Drink Hoffman Act."
Message: Posted by: Domino Magic (Jun 30, 2011 12:55PM)
The cocktail generation is still around. Young people today (anyone under 30) are embracing classic cocktails. I think much of this has to do with the popularity of AMC's Mad Men. The mid-century style is popular again.

Cups & Balls with cocktail shakers and a Think A Drink act (with booze) would be contemporary today.
Message: Posted by: Dougini (Jun 30, 2011 01:12PM)
You guys are making me think about Jim Steinmeyer's "Hospitality". Without the assistant...I know there is a way to do that. I used to have his book. Think-A-Drink falls along the same lines does it not?

Doug
Message: Posted by: motown (Jun 30, 2011 03:05PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-30 13:55, Domino Magic wrote:
The cocktail generation is still around. Young people today (anyone under 30) are embracing classic cocktails. I think much of this has to do with the popularity of AMC's Mad Men. The mid-century style is popular again.

Cups & Balls with cocktail shakers and a Think A Drink act (with booze) would be contemporary today.
[/quote]That is true. Spirit sales are up.

Well I'm not surprised to read that the cocktail idea has been done with both cups & chop cup.
As well as the olive ball.

Thanks for your reponses.
Message: Posted by: The Burnaby Kid (Jun 30, 2011 03:24PM)
I had a one-cup routine that used a metal cup that looked like a mini cocktail shaker. Whether or not it actually was, I've got no idea, it was from a Dollar Store. The presentation was essentially a sobriety test, inspired in no small part by Mark Jenest's Jiggernaut.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jun 30, 2011 06:28PM)
There is some information about the Think-a-Drink act in the historical section of the Café.

I got some inside information on it from Burling Hull.

BTW, one of the things that made it popular was Prohibition.
Message: Posted by: Mitch Schneiter (Jun 30, 2011 07:32PM)
Bar magician Jerry Camaro also had a chop cup for sale made from a real cocktail shaker. His routine using an olive and the shaker and ending with a lemon and a giant olive for final loads is written up in an issue of Magic Menu.
Message: Posted by: motown (Jun 30, 2011 07:48PM)
That's a cool idea. I'll have to check it out.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Jun 30, 2011 10:53PM)
[quote]
On 2011-06-30 13:55, Domino Magic wrote:
The cocktail generation is still around. Young people today (anyone under 30) are embracing classic cocktails. I think much of this has to do with the popularity of AMC's Mad Men. The mid-century style is popular again.
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The resurgence in the cocktail lifestyle seems to have its peaks and troughs.
About 15 years ago the Lounge Music scene was pretty swanky but kitchy with new musical acts like Combustible Edison actually playing live music that sounded like Esquivel and Martin Denny. The Ultra-Lounge music collection was assembled and hours and hours of vintage lounge music was re-released.
In Cleveland we have The Velvet Tango Room (www.velvettangoroom.com) - an original speakeasy, with bullet holes to prove it, that serves $15 cocktails. It's very busy and you can hardly get into the private room, thru the one way mirror on a Saturday night, but they squeeze their own fresh fruit juices and make their own bitters and sodas, they take mixology very seriously. Best ginger ale I've ever had. Terrific jazz combo featuring Jess Dandy who played bass with Cab Calloway and a lot of greats - if you talk to him, do not ask him about Elvis.
There is also the pretty long running success of the painter Shag, who I would call a "cocktail oriented" artist.
Where's my fez?
Message: Posted by: Dr_J_Ayala (Jul 1, 2011 07:53AM)
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On 2011-06-30 23:53, Donnie Buckley wrote:
The resurgence in the cocktail lifestyle seems to have its peaks and troughs.
About 15 years ago the Lounge Music scene was pretty swanky but kitchy with new musical acts like Combustible Edison actually playing live music that sounded like Esquivel and Martin Denny. The Ultra-Lounge music collection was assembled and hours and hours of vintage lounge music was re-released.
In Cleveland we have The Velvet Tango Room (www.velvettangoroom.com) - an original speakeasy, with bullet holes to prove it, that serves $15 cocktails. It's very busy and you can hardly get into the private room, thru the one way mirror on a Saturday night, but they squeeze their own fresh fruit juices and make their own bitters and sodas, they take mixology very seriously. Best ginger ale I've ever had. Terrific jazz combo featuring Jess Dandy who played bass with Cab Calloway and a lot of greats - if you talk to him, do not ask him about Elvis.
There is also the pretty long running success of the painter Shag, who I would call a "cocktail oriented" artist.
Where's my fez?
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The Velvet Tango Room is an absolutely wonderful place to go if you can get in!
Message: Posted by: panlives (Jul 1, 2011 10:18AM)
The Tim Ellis routine mentioned by Mr. Biro earlier in this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV30vPxEhZo
Message: Posted by: Slide (Jul 1, 2011 10:33AM)
There is a big resurgence of classic cocktail bars in manhattan. Places like Death & Company in the east village is a good example: each cocktail is like watching a show as they put it together. Expensive, but worth it for the show.
Message: Posted by: Donnie Buckley (Jul 1, 2011 10:36AM)
I'm always willing to pay more for just about anything if the presentation is entertaining! Except dentistry.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Jul 1, 2011 10:48AM)
TIM lectured at IMX and tipped every move and more on his Run Around Sue routine. So well thought out, executed and entertaining.
Message: Posted by: conjurormatt (Jul 2, 2011 02:51PM)
I agree with Pete. There is more to the routine then initially meets the eye.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Jul 12, 2014 01:36PM)
Just revisiting an old thread. I'm looking for a small shaker that will let me rest small balls on top. I got a Boston Shaker as a gift from a friend but the top was rounded..

Any tips?
Message: Posted by: conjurormatt (Jul 12, 2014 08:15PM)
You might check out Roger Nicots "the bar cup reloaded" and see it that fits what your wanting. You can get it from card shark by going to: http://www.vintage-series.com/iphone/showitem.cfm?page=79&lang=en&detail=true&Category=13&ArtID=191

cheers!
Matt M.
Message: Posted by: puggo (Jul 13, 2014 04:25AM)
I think Montana is looking for a normal cup (might be wrong).
Have you looked for bar supply stores online? e.g.
http://www.drinkstuff.com/products/product.asp?ID=1570&catID=110&name=Professional+Boston+Cocktail+Shaker
try to work out cup size in oz/ml to see if you are looking at the right stuff.
Message: Posted by: Montana76 (Jul 13, 2014 04:52AM)
Thanks Puggo! You are correct. Looking for a ungimmicked cup. A normal small boston shaker. Thanks for the link! I'll check it out:)
Message: Posted by: conjurormatt (Jul 13, 2014 10:36AM)
Check the yellowpages (or google) for restaurant supply stores in your area, even if you don't purchase there it will give you a chance to try out a couple of styles of cocktail shaker and see what you like best.
Message: Posted by: malaki (Aug 7, 2017 06:05PM)
Actually, my first set of cups were small, aluminum shakers with stepped sides. The only alteration needed was to use a golf ball and hammer to concave the bottoms to use standard balls. Worked a charm for many years at a small percentage of the cheapest set available. Finally replaced them when I had earned enough from shows to warrant them.

If you cannot afford what you want, see what you can make or alter.