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Topic: Most expensive set of cups?
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Aug 27, 2011 12:08AM)
This is the most expensive set of cups I come across, starting bid is 9000 pds.

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/9726031

Francis
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 27, 2011 04:02AM)
The provenance of these cups is impressive. If I recall correctly, these cups were featured in one of the Bob Read inserts in the Michael Ammar C&B video set (the one in which he explains the evolution of cup design). Would be the crown jewel in your burgeoning collection, Francis!
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Aug 27, 2011 06:36AM)
Hi Fortasse,

This is way out of my affordability range!
Francis
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 27, 2011 11:09AM)
So you get two partners and each gets one cup... Or you rotated the set monthly. :kermit:
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 27, 2011 11:43AM)
This is just one item in a arge and EXTREMELY important magic auction that is to take place in London on the 8th September. It looks as if the estate of Bob Read is selling off a substantial part of his massive C&B print collection. I just checked out the catalogue on the auction website. Incidentally, buyers will have to pay a whopping 22% premium on top of the hammer price....definitely not for the faint of heart!
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 27, 2011 01:23PM)
I hope the Read Collection of prints has been or is about to be published.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 27, 2011 04:37PM)
Good question, Pete. After this auction and the likely dispersion of so many prints among so many different people, it will be difficult to put together a compendium of prints for publication if it hasn't been prepped already. I'm sure the estate must still have a great many prints left (unless they were sold off privately already) but the particular prints (and some C&B themed oil paintings) that have been selected for auction on the 8th September represent the best of the best of the Read collection. Indeed, I was struck by how many of these prints and paintings are the same ones that were personally selected by Bob Read for inclusion in the Miracle Factory's 2001 reprint of Clarke's Annals of Conjuring.
Message: Posted by: lint (Aug 27, 2011 05:40PM)
Fortasse, can you post a link to the auction catalog?

It will be truly sad if Bob's collection is dispersed without a publication on his collection in the works.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 27, 2011 07:24PM)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/26133

Todd: Here you go.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 27, 2011 08:16PM)
Although the provenance of these cups is impressive, much of it is based on supposition. There are unmentioned links in the provenance.

According to one Hofzinser expert, these cups do not match the sketches Hofzinser made in the margin of his notes. Having seen a photocopy of these notes, I can attest to his assertion.

One of the key phrases here is "The cups were apparently comissioned by Hofzinser and made from a special alloy in the 1860's."

The special alloy is nickel silver. It was commonly used for cane and umbrella handles. The cups are probably not plated, as claimed in the listing. According to Fischer, he got them from Georg Heubeck who was a student of Hofzinser. But the connection is quite tenuous. The style of manufacture is not contemporaneous with the 1860's, but probably closer to the 1880's, which was after the death of Hofzinser.

However, Bob thought they belonged to Hofzinser. In any case, they probably belonged to Fischer for a while, probably belonged to Keith Clark for a while, and definitely belonged to Bob Read.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 28, 2011 01:46AM)
AS far as I know all of Read's images have been digitized and are in the hands of the publisher.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 28, 2011 08:02PM)
I e-mailed the publisher to let him know that I would not be at Eurocol 4. He says the images are all digitized.
Message: Posted by: lint (Aug 28, 2011 10:01PM)
Any additional news on the publication?
Message: Posted by: D_avid (Aug 28, 2011 10:19PM)
So Francis, are you bidding? Wow, it amazes me how the history behind an item raises (or potentially lowers) the price.
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 28, 2011 11:51PM)
Thanks for the heads-up, Bill....sobering indeed. Pretty much kills my interest in them.

Sean
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Aug 29, 2011 02:08AM)
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On 2011-08-28 23:19, Hassidic Top Hat wrote:
So Francis, are you bidding? Wow, it amazes me how the history behind an item raises (or potentially lowers) the price.
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Most certainly not!

Hi Bill and Pete,

What does it mean when we say it's digitalized? Does it mean that they are going to print the images and sell them individually or compile into the book we are waiting for? Thanks

Francis
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 29, 2011 10:07AM)
Bill can give you details, but my info says a book.
Message: Posted by: pepka (Aug 30, 2011 01:09AM)
Book, please!
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 30, 2011 01:12PM)
Nowadays when a book goes to press, it's different than it was about 25 or 30 years ago. In the old days, it was all done with letterpress. This produced really clean images, but was terribly expensive. These days, almost every book you find is created digitally, submitted as a PDF file, which is read by Quark, Adobe Pagemaker or CS-5 or whatever the press uses. So the photos are ready to be inserted into the text pages.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Aug 30, 2011 02:00PM)
Bill: Any idea of the status of the Read book?
Message: Posted by: fortasse (Aug 30, 2011 07:20PM)
Would love to know that too.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Aug 30, 2011 08:05PM)
No. I wish I could tell you something, but I know it isn't ready to print yet. They are working on it. It's a big project!
Message: Posted by: francisngkl (Sep 3, 2011 09:26PM)
Apparently, there is a bid for the cups now, wow! I am really curiously how high the price will go.

Francis
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 8, 2011 09:18AM)
The cups sold for 10,000 GBP.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 8, 2011 11:35AM)
Any idea who got 'em? If all the stuff sells, Pauline should be able to retire in comfort.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 8, 2011 09:49PM)
I have a feeling that he changed his last name from Kotkin to the name of a famous Dickens character.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 9, 2011 12:33AM)
Sounds right.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Sep 26, 2011 01:14AM)
According to Twitter Teller bought them.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 27, 2011 02:00AM)
Could be.
Message: Posted by: Pete Biro (Sep 27, 2011 11:57AM)
Who has the Vernon engraved that Jennings' widow sold? (I know Persi has a set).
Message: Posted by: RevJohn (Sep 28, 2011 08:25AM)
As an on-looker, this conversation is fascinating.

I am continually amazed by the amount of knowledge that is located on this board. Or perhaps better put, I am amazed by the generosity of folks sharing their knowledge.

Good stuff.

RevJohn
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Sep 28, 2011 10:43PM)
Just gossiping!