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Topic: Jeff Dunham--Controlled Chaos
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 18, 2011 07:23PM)
Jeff's next special airs a week from today, 9/25. Here's a link to his YouTube channel with a trailer and clips from the show.

http://www.youtube.com/jeffdunham#p/u/0/hvaPfsmaRi4

Are we getting excited?

Bob

P.S. Yes.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 18, 2011 07:41PM)
Thanks for the heads up, I don't ever watch Comedy Central so I would have missed it.
(Now if I can just keep from forgetting about it between now and then.)
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Sep 18, 2011 08:31PM)
David, this is a reminder, don't forget to watch
Message: Posted by: Ken Dumm (Sep 18, 2011 09:19PM)
Already ordered it on Amazon...$11.99...looking forward to it...

Ken
Message: Posted by: MT (Sep 18, 2011 09:58PM)
Yup. you can order it on amazon. I did.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 19, 2011 02:51AM)
Thank you for the reminder Buzz.
Message: Posted by: CaptKirk (Sep 20, 2011 06:33AM)
THANKS, Bob! I'll set my DVR so I won't miss it:o)
Message: Posted by: Regan (Sep 20, 2011 08:26AM)
Thanks for the reminder!
Message: Posted by: manal (Sep 22, 2011 11:18AM)
2 New Figures,YEA.
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 22, 2011 12:43PM)
Here's a clip of a promo Jeff did on Fox & Friends:

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-friends/index.html#/v/1173214620001/jeff-dunham-still-pushing-the-envelope/?playlist_id=86912

B
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 24, 2011 09:45AM)
Those who want to preorder the DVD on Amazon, they have a limited time offer of free shipping on it, so it would be only 9.99 - (and no, this isn't one of those free shipping offers they have where you have to sign up for their "Amazon Prime").
http://www.amazon.com/Jeff-Dunham-Controlled-Chaos/dp/B005CRMXKQ/ref=lh_ni_t
Message: Posted by: Mr. Pitts (Sep 25, 2011 10:01AM)
I ordered one just now. I also got Terry Fator's book while I was shopping. I'll be watching tonight.
Message: Posted by: CaptKirk (Sep 25, 2011 10:05AM)
Been seeing the comercials advertising Jeff's new show tonight!! Can't wait to see it!! Achmed is FUNNY as usual in the adds!!
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 25, 2011 04:27PM)
Well I know I've got it covered, I plan on watching, but have the DVR set to record it just in case, and I had ordered the DVD from Amazon before I posted about it earlier.
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 26, 2011 08:55AM)
Well, I enjoyed the parts with Peanut and José and with Little Jeff. And I was very impressed by the laughs-per-minute in his routines.

I just don't think any comedy--vent or stand-up--works as well on TV as live. Saw Jeff live earlier this year and laughed much more than I did last night. I was glad to see that some of the somewhat racist, xenophobic jokes were gone from the act. The audience was obviously charged up and ready to laugh at anything, but, as in previous specials, I thought that the degree of laughter was excessive for the jokes.

Don't get me wrong. I think Jeff is an extraordinarily talented vent and comic and obviously GREAT for our field. For some reason, it doesn't come across on TV.

Bob
Message: Posted by: tacrowl (Sep 26, 2011 11:48AM)
Bob,
You laughed much more live, but thought on TV the laughter was excessive for the jokes? The theatre audience had the same live experience you did. (Many of the same jokes probably.) That is what creates those laughs. Having been there on the Spark of Insanity taping - I can guarantee the laughs are real.

Unfortunately, I also felt it didn't carry across the screen on this one. No knock on Jeff - he did a great job.
Tom
Message: Posted by: Mr. Pitts (Sep 26, 2011 11:55AM)
I dunno guys, I thought it came across great. I have to admit, I don't love AJ (or Achmed so much, for that matter) but Jeff's a brilliant performer. I felt the special was as good at the first one, which I though was great. I do think comedy is best live and in person, but I felt the special conveyed the experience reasonably well. I especially liked the opening bit with the family photos, and the brilliant finale with the four characters and five voices (including Jeff's). It was a rare display of virtuosity that was actually very, very funny.
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 26, 2011 12:38PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-26 12:48, tacrowl wrote:
Bob,
You laughed much more live, but thought on TV the laughter was excessive for the jokes? The theatre audience had the same live experience you did. (Many of the same jokes probably.)
Tom
[/quote]

I don't think I expressed myself well. What I meant was that I think the TV taping audience is primed and ready to laugh at anything, delivering guffaws even for modest jokes. I didn't get that impression live; maybe the jokes were better (and they were different from the special's jokes.)

I've noticed this a lot on TV. Watch any number of comics on Comedy Central, and the audience is laughing like crazy at jokes which strike me, at least, as not very funny. But when I watch someone like Chris Rock on TV, I laugh as much as the theater audience.

I agree that the multi-voice bit (which Jeff did regularly many years ago) was great and extremely well done.

B
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Sep 26, 2011 12:49PM)
Well, I'll add my 2 cents, which is what it's worth (probably less). It seems we all agree that Jeff is a brilliant vent, and his success is just awesome and certainly well-deserved. I've also seen him live at a few comedy clubs, and of course at the conVENTions and have loved him every time I have seen him. Plus, I discovered a new-found respect for him after reading his book. However, last night just didn't do it for me at all. Didn't like AJ, nor the way he ended his show. In fact, I much prefer earlier Jeff, before he became SO famous. I am happy for him, and I realize that it is great for vent, but I just prefer his earlier stuff. Again, just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Sep 26, 2011 12:59PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-26 09:55, Bob Baker wrote:
I was glad to see that some of the somewhat racist, xenophobic jokes were gone from the act.
[/quote]

I agree, Bob.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 26, 2011 02:43PM)
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Well, I enjoyed the parts with Peanut and José and with Little Jeff.
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As always, I loved Walter, but I dozed off when Achmed was on. I woke momentarily and got a glimpse of his son and that was it, didn't even get to see the parts with Peanut and Jose. For me, the Achmed segment was too long, he may be a popular character, but I'm not a big fan of that character. So that part was a dozer for me, not just literally, but figuratively (while I was still awake for it).
Which makes me question the wisdom of having already ordered the CD before seeing the show, I'm hoping it has extras on it that will make it worthwhile for me otherwise - and plus, I still have part of it to see.
Message: Posted by: randirain (Sep 26, 2011 03:54PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-26 13:49, KeithS wrote:
Well, I'll add my 2 cents, which is what it's worth (probably less). It seems we all agree that Jeff is a brilliant vent, and his success is just awesome and certainly well-deserved. I've also seen him live at a few comedy clubs, and of course at the conVENTions and have loved him every time I have seen him. Plus, I discovered a new-found respect for him after reading his book. However, last night just didn't do it for me at all. Didn't like AJ, nor the way he ended his show. In fact, I much prefer earlier Jeff, before he became SO famous. I am happy for him, and I realize that it is great for vent, but I just prefer his earlier stuff. Again, just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.
[/quote]
I have to agree.
I want to like Jeff so bad. I think he is extremely talented, but it's just not funny.
Didn't even finish watching it... but that's because Breaking Bad was on... and you just can't compete with that.

Randi
Message: Posted by: tacrowl (Sep 26, 2011 04:20PM)
Bob - thanks for the clarification. One point I forgot to make actually stresses your point - watch the audience shots. I saw rows of people just sitting there when the applause was going and laughs were supposed to be rolling. I'm not thinking "sweetened", but they could have found more suitable audience shots.

The commercial interruptions messed with the pacing of the show for me. Hoping the DVD is easier to watch. Also looking forward to the out-takes, some of which I've heard about.
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Sep 26, 2011 05:54PM)
Well, I must say that I am happy to be able to express my views here without any condemnation, unlike what's going on in that "other" board. Man, they're going for the jugular over there!

Kudos to you all here for being civil once again!
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Sep 26, 2011 05:54PM)
Double post.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 26, 2011 07:25PM)
I agree with Tom, the commercials kind of muck up the flow, I'm glad I missed a big part of it, maybe without the commercials, I'll enjoy it more on the DVD.

Keith - I get daily digests from the "other" board, so I won't see what's going on until tomorrow. You are right though, one of the reasons I enjoy this forum is because we can voice our opinions and have discussions without anyone getting mean.
Message: Posted by: CaptKirk (Sep 26, 2011 07:51PM)
Well I watched it taped on my DVR last night and fast forwarded through those pesky commercials. I enjoyed Walter and Peanut BUT thought the Achmed segment was WAY too long and I did NOT like AJ at all. Just too gross looking of a character to suit my tastes. I did enjoy the ending and the banter between Jose, Peanut, Little Jeff, and Jeff himself. Good display of Jeff's abilities! Jeff is a fabulously gifted comedian but last night's show could have been 30 minutes vice an hour and I would have still been satisfied. Really liked the BLONDE that Achmed didn't pick up when he stopped and picked up the goat! She WAS a real babe, IMHO!!:o)
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 26, 2011 07:59PM)
So I'm not the only one that thought the Achmed part was too long.
Everyone keeps mentioning AJ - I'm guessing that's the part I missed, he's Achmed's son?

Just got an early digest from the "other" board, that happens when there's a lot of posts, so didn't have to wait until tomorrow to see what was going on. They're all getting their panties in a twist over whether or not Jeff used a teleprompter. Okay.......
Message: Posted by: tacrowl (Sep 26, 2011 08:20PM)
He used one for Spark of Insanity. It sat in the middle of the audience. It wasn't like he read from it though. The video shoots of that scale are expensive and the prompter was used to keep things on track. Not sure why it should matter.

Tom
Message: Posted by: Steve at The Dummy Shoppe (Sep 26, 2011 09:37PM)
All the back and forth aside, I think we are all much more civil here for a couple of reasons. Avatars. How can you get bent out of shape when you look at the pictures others are using for Avatars? I think they help to humanize each of us and we all realize that the other guys (and girls) are just like us with a different perspective. Nothing to get bent out of shape in that one.

Steve

http://www.thedummyshoppe.com
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 26, 2011 09:52PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-26 22:37, Steve at The Dummy Shoppe wrote:
I think we are all much more civil here for a couple of reasons. Avatars. How can you get bent out of shape when you look at the pictures others are using for Avatars?
Steve
[/quote]

Maybe, but go over to some of the magic forums on the Café, and you'll see that avatars don't prevent a lot of nastiness over there. Honestly, having met several of the people on this board, I think that it's simply that over here we are well brought up, respectful, caring human beings. And modest, too.

On the prompter discussion, when I saw Jeff live last January, he was clearly using a floor-prompter with a key fob device to advance it. After the formal show, he brought out AJ to try him out on the audience, and he made no pretense about advancing the prompter till he got to the AJ material.

The prompter during the regular show didn't bother me at all. He did nearly a 3 hour show! He was working on new material. Who could begrudge him???

Bob
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 26, 2011 10:01PM)
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Not sure why it should matter.
[/quote]
That makes two of us, I have no idea why it should matter.
Message: Posted by: Steve at The Dummy Shoppe (Sep 27, 2011 09:30AM)
It seems to me that whatever Jeff uses or does not use is of little to no consequence. Anything that anyone uses is just a tool. A puppet is a tool. A script is a tool. A microphone is a tool. Which of us would be concerned if Frank Marshall had an electric saw versus a hand powered saw?

The only thing that really matters is, Was his audience entertained? I think the answer to that is obvious.

Steve

http://www.thedummyshoppe.com
Message: Posted by: MT (Sep 28, 2011 02:45PM)
I liked the original Achmed routine. This new one isn't as funny. Gotta give credit to Jeff though. It's not easy writing A material all the time. AJ was ok. Looks a bit grotesque. I'm sure some people like it though.

I'm not sure if sharing about the divorce was a good idea. It didn't seem to add much to the show except give Walter something to comment on.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 28, 2011 03:06PM)
I think doing the divorce jokes is just to easy to resist, especially with a character like Walter to put in his two cents, and they were general jokes, nothing mean towards his ex, so I don't think they are a bad thing.
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 28, 2011 11:39PM)
I just watched the Blu-Ray DVD of the special. There is a lot of extra footage from the show itself. Unfortunately, the racist material not shown on Comedy Central is there. I could not care less about political correctness, but some of the stuff made me and my adult kids cringe. I suppose those jokes appeal to a certain section of Jeff's demographic.

The DVD extras includes videos that were shown as intros to the live shows, outtakes, a tour of a winery called Dunham Cellars [no relation, I believe, but they're bottling a wine for Jeff to sell], and a very cool segment about the making of the Achmedmobile.

I'm glad I have the disc. I'm sorry about the parts that do not elevate the art.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 29, 2011 05:27AM)
I received the notice a day or two ago that my DVD shipped, I'm still looking forward to seeing it since I dozed off on part of the show, and without the commercial interruptions, or editing for television, I'm hoping to enjoy it more than I did what I saw of the the show on TV.
It's kind of funny to see people claim not to be part of the PC crowd, and then call something "racist", that's more likely "ethnic".
Being "racist", by definition and behavior, usually refers to someone having a problem with, and saying things about groups of people, that are designed to be mean and demean, and anger, etc. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that would have been Jeff's goal.
That's how insidious the whole PC thing has become, people can no longer differentiate between "ethnic" and "racist".
Different strokes for different folks I guess. There was a period when I stopped watching Jeff, when profanity, up to and including the f-bomb, starting appearing fairly regular. But that's me, for many people, especially these days, the more they hear that f-bomb, the funnier they think it is.
But what do I know, I didn't think he used a teleprompter either, or care....
Message: Posted by: Bob Baker (Sep 29, 2011 05:53AM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 06:27, blueshawk1 wrote:
It's kind of funny to see people claim not to be part of the PC crowd, and then call something "racist", that's more likely "ethnic".
Being "racist", by definition and behavior, usually refers to someone having a problem with, and saying things about groups of people, that are designed to be mean and demean,
[/quote]

I'm glad my comments amused you. Please watch the DVD first, and then tell me if you think the bits about impoverished South Africans and Chinese people are not demeaning.

Bob
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 29, 2011 05:55AM)
I will make a point of watching it the night I get it and will let you know.
Message: Posted by: Joseph_Then (Sep 29, 2011 07:40AM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 06:53, Bob Baker wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 06:27, blueshawk1 wrote:
It's kind of funny to see people claim not to be part of the PC crowd, and then call something "racist", that's more likely "ethnic".
Being "racist", by definition and behavior, usually refers to someone having a problem with, and saying things about groups of people, that are designed to be mean and demean,
[/quote]

I'm glad my comments amused you. Please watch the DVD first, and then tell me if you think the bits about impoverished South Africans and Chinese people are not demeaning.

Bob
[/quote]
I'll get the DVD and watch it. Let's see if the Chinese jokes would offend me or not. :)
Message: Posted by: Howie Diddot (Sep 29, 2011 08:05AM)
I bet we can find a few South Africans and Chinese people are would laugh and not consider it demeaning.
Message: Posted by: Servante (Sep 29, 2011 09:37AM)
I'd have to see it first. I figure "ethnic" is a window through which the human condition is seen and commented upon in a humorous manner, whereas "racist" makes fun of the window.

-Philip
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 29, 2011 09:43AM)
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whereas "racist" makes fun of the window.
[/quote]
Or throws rocks through it.
Message: Posted by: Servante (Sep 29, 2011 09:57AM)
Even better.


Strengthens the metaphor.


I'd like to think that, if I'd proofed the post, I'd've changed it to that.

-Philip
Message: Posted by: Matt_24 (Sep 30, 2011 05:38AM)
I'm a fan of Dunham. I was at the filming of "Spark of Insanity" here in DC and that was fun and entertaining. This one didn't do much for me. You can't knock them all out of the park.
Message: Posted by: creativemac (Sep 30, 2011 07:26AM)
I think sometimes, it's about just being in the game.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Sep 30, 2011 07:31AM)
You're right about that. Some people may worry about the material, some may worry over whether or not he uses a teleprompter, but in the end, Jeff is definitely in the game.
Message: Posted by: Matt_24 (Oct 1, 2011 09:05AM)
Ok, I watched the dvd last night. I did enjoy it much better than the televised special. The racial humor was too much for my taste. I've never seen him go so hard at that kind of humor for an entire bit. It almost seems like he was trying to be more "extreme", but that doesn't work for everyone. Louis CK can do race jokes and he's just funny...to everyone, and doesn't hint at coming across as racist. Otto and George are maybe the best at that super extreme humor. Granted, it isn't for everyone - but I think it's funny. John Pizzi is a vent who hits hard at all races w/ Andy in his adult show - and his multi-cultural audiences love it. Jeff, not so much (with that type of humor).

I loved the extra w/ Jeff building the Achmed head. I heard him talking about that 3D printer on Opie and Anthony. He's a talented craftsman. I wish we could have seen him build Achmed Jr. or Little Jeff. I just like that kind of stuff.

So, regardless of any critiques from me or anyone else, Jeff is one of the highest paid comedians out there. He's a phenomenal ventriloquist...and he's still doing his thing after a tough divorce. I'm just a nobody posting opinions on the one ventriloquist section of a freakin' magic forum...LOL.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 1, 2011 09:23AM)
Those extras are often my favorite part of the DVDs.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 1, 2011 01:52PM)
Have Mercy! I just got a digest from the other forum - they are still going on about the teleprompter.
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for my DVD, thought it would be here by now.
Message: Posted by: Servante (Oct 1, 2011 02:20PM)
I should find that other forum, I guess. If it's the one I'm thinking about, the set up was kind of off-putting. Why do they care about a teleprompter?

-Philip
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 1, 2011 02:27PM)
I don't know why they are so concerned about the teleprompter, I don't have the desire to wade through all that.
The other forum probably is the one you are thinking of, and I know what you mean about the set-up. At the time, email lists were great, it was something, but as forums developed, I found I liked them better, it's easier to follow the threads.
And I spoke too soon in my last post, just checked the mail and the DVD is here. So now I've got to watch it and listen for "racial" jokes, and look for the teleprompter. :bg:
Message: Posted by: Servante (Oct 1, 2011 02:35PM)
I have, from time to time with a new bit, pinned a small piece of paper with topics and names to Louie's back. I've used teleprompters any number of times in TV stuff...(Though I don't remember using the teleprompter specifically for the vent act). Apparently these people don't care much for Saturday Night Live, either. :)

-Philip
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 1, 2011 02:44PM)
I've done the notes on the back thing, I remember waaaaay back reading that tip somewhere and immediately adopted it.
The best "prompting" one I did was writing a script based on the night before Xmas, and I got a big format book of the story, big enough for full sheets of paper and just had the whole routine written out and fastened to the pages of the book. I didn't even have to try to memorize a word of it.
Actually, I guess that made it more of a cheat sheet than a prompter, Oh well...
Message: Posted by: Mr. Pitts (Oct 1, 2011 05:18PM)
I made a "Christmas List" for Henry. It was a funny sight gag that rolled out about 6 feet and always got a laugh. And plus, there at the top of the list, were my notes for the set.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 1, 2011 07:30PM)
There's lots of ways to hide a few notes, stuff like your list, or the book I used are great because you don't have to hide the notes, you got them right there.

So I watched the Chaos video today.
I also enjoyed it better than I did watching on TV, although I still think Achmed's time was too long. The part with his ribs really cracked me up. I'm sure that was all well rehearsed, but Jeff can play the "unrehearsed" stuff real well.
Achmed Jr. - thanks, but no thanks, I could live without seeing that character again.
As for the "racial" humor, sorry, I didn't see it. I saw "ethnic" humor, and while the jokes were just so-so as far as being funny, I didn't hear anything outrageous or anything worth anyone getting bent out of shape over. I actually can't believe it was even mentioned, but I know, I know, it's the whole....never mind.
I totally screwed up though, I forgot to look for the other most important topic about the video - the teleprompter. Rats!
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Oct 2, 2011 03:43AM)
IMHO, the whole teleprompter thing is a complete non-issue. I have decided to take a hiatus from that other board. Not getting much out of it as of late.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 2, 2011 05:01AM)
I know, it is a non-issue, I didn't really forget to look for it, I just never gave it any thought.

There was one point, during the family photos, Jeff said something, talking normally, and you would have sworn he had Walter with him because it sounded like Walter, and there was another time I caught that happening in another vid, just Jeff, no Walter, and he said something that sounded totally like Walter.
Now of course, I know, Jeff is Walter's voice, but we have different voices for our figures, often different ways of speaking for them than we do ourselves, and it's funny to hear the character's voice coming out, obviously inadvertently, during normal speech.

I've experienced that myself. One of my guys is a southern gentleman, he has a very very slight southern accent, but it's more in his phrasing and manner of speaking. I have caught myself at times, saying something that sounded like it totally should have been coming from him rather than me, only in my case, not the sound of his voice, but the way I said it.
Of course, I almost hate to say that, I can see someone non-vent wandering in here and thinking it's "the crazy vent thing, losing the ability to differentiate between himself and his figure....". But it's not so crazy, we create those characters, we practice them, use them, and it can be easy enough picking up patterns of speech from other people we're around or talk to a lot, why not from ourselves?
Or maybe it's just like Tom said in another thread, I need to take my medication daily. :)
Message: Posted by: Servante (Oct 2, 2011 09:25AM)
Y'know...the characters are part of us...but they affect who we are, too. Sometimes we adopt a rhythm from a character. My best example is this: Since 1967, I've played Mark Twain in a one-man two-hour stage gig. I've studied all of his works, read about his method of reading and performance, watched the single film that exists of him walking around the grounds of his home and listened to a recording of a contemporary of his imitating his voice. After all this time of doing it, I detect Twain's rhythms and ways of putting sentences together in my own voice. My oldest figure, Louie, has been with me almost as long...and I sense myself...and Twain...in some of what he says...and I sense him in some of what Twain...and I say. :)

-Philip
Message: Posted by: KeithS (Oct 2, 2011 09:26AM)
[quote]
On 2011-10-02 06:01, blueshawk1 wrote:
I know, it is a non-issue, I didn't really forget to look for it, I just never gave it any thought.[/quote]

I actually wasn't responding particularly to what you wrote; it was sort of a general comment. However, I'm with you. It's not worth it. I made the mistake of reading all the posts and found it a waste of my time. You are wise to choose not to even bother.

[quote]There was one point, during the family photos, Jeff said something, talking normally, and you would have sworn he had Walter with him because it sounded like Walter, and there was another time I caught that happening in another vid, just Jeff, no Walter, and he said something that sounded totally like Walter. Now of course, I know, Jeff is Walter's voice, but we have different voices for our figures, often different ways of speaking for them than we do ourselves, and it's funny to hear the character's voice coming out, obviously inadvertently, during normal speech.[/quote]

Funny, I noticed this as well. You can sometimes hear Bergen do this in some of his radio shows.
Message: Posted by: Dickens & Dave (Oct 2, 2011 09:30AM)
I'm glad to see you noticed it too Keith, and to read Philip's post, so I know it's not just me.
Message: Posted by: stevezany (Oct 3, 2011 10:42PM)
All I can say is that my phone rings more than ever before, thanks to Jeff Dunham and his TV specials. The popularity of ventriloquism seems to be at an all-time high, as a result of his efforts to make vent mainstream as well as to elevate and promote the art. Thank you Jeff!