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Topic: Why "Greater Magic"?
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Sep 25, 2011 04:44PM)
Hi.

This book is concidered by many, one of the greatest book in magic. Why is that - enlighten me:)
No really. I know nothing about this book. But of course always interested in the classic books in magic.

Can you tell me more about this book?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 25, 2011 09:30PM)
Hi Magic-Daniel,

There are a number of reasons why Greater Magic is considered a landmark book in magic. First off, until its publication in the late 30's there had not been a book of this magnitude published in the wider magic community. When you read the original ad copy for this for 1938 you read that magicians were already predicting this to be a classic which of course it is.

Consider as well that Greater Magic contains everything from close up to illusions. It is the third largest monograph printed in magic to this day - the second largest being Stewart James in Print and the largest being The James File. Greater Magic contains effects from the greatest contemporaries of the time and the effects hold up VERY well to this day. Furthermore, a HUGE amount of the effects in Greater Magic spawned many further classics in later books.

In a sense, Greater Magic was and IS truly a one volume mammoth course in magic. This is more than a mere classic my friend; Greater Magic is a FOUNDATIONAL text.

Ironically, first editions of this book are actually cheaper than the Richard Kaufman reprint. Somebody on the Café is selling both a first edition AND a Kaufman reprint. The Kaufman reprint has additional material from Hilliard's notebooks; these notes became the basis for the later Hilliard book published by Kaufman.

I really cannot stress enough how important this book is Magic-Daniel. Before the Kaufman reprint this book was VERY hard to find. Somehow, Richard Kaufman was able to secure permission to do a reprint and that was published in 1994. It is now OOP and from my understanding it will never be reprinted again. Greater Magic BTW is the sequel to T. Nelson Downs book The Art of Magic which was actually written by John Northern Hilliard. Hilliard wrote a large portion of Greater Magic and legendary magician and author Jean Hugard finished the mammoth work after Hilliard's death. Hilliard was the advance man for Howard Thurston and was VERY well connected and respected in the magic community hence his ability to procure effects for this magnum opus.

If you have the money, I would strongly advise you to pick it up.

If you have more questions please feel free to PM me. Even better you might want to PM our book guru Peo Olsson, and in addition you could PM Lawrence O, Richard Kaufman, Rennie, motown, and magicfish to name but a few.

GET THE BOOK MAN!! :)

Ahimsa,
Vlad

PS: Here is the link where it is being sold. Scroll down a bit!

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=434736&forum=78&5
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Sep 28, 2011 02:29PM)
I have become a lot more critical about the books I buy. And concering some of the classic books in Magic, I do feel that some of the books have become a bit outdated. At least for me...

Would you say that Greater Magic still has a lot to offer for the magicians of 2011? Do you use any of the effects from the book today?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Sep 28, 2011 08:35PM)
Daniel,

Please re-read my post and you will get answers to your questions. Not to sound brusque my friend but how can a classic - a seminal text - become outdated? Yes, I do quite a few effects from Greater Magic.

But let me ask you Daniel: would you argue that Linking Rings and Cups and Balls are outdated? What about the Hofzinser ace effect which predates Greater Magic by decades?

But, if some of the classic books are out of date for you that is a valid statement for YOU. The writing style is not flashy, there are no clear photographs, but the illustrations are good. This book is so widely referenced in the literature to this day that there must be a reason why. If you are used to Card College then you may not like Greater Magic. I love BOTH works and I have learned so much from every book and journal I read. But, I do not read magic books just for effects so perhaps our approach to study is different and that too is valid for BOTH of us.

Your question was about Greater Magic and I was happy to answer it. That said, only YOU can judge whether it is worth your effort to study it. There is certainly no shortage of books to read in the art. :)

I WOULD however be curious to know what classic books you consider "outdated."

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: gostone23 (Sep 29, 2011 10:01AM)
WOW Vlad, Now I am really wanting a copy of this book. Bad too! Having never seen it I wasn't aware of what all it covered. Your review is great.(Ever consider sales?)

Any chance Richard Kaufman will do a reprint anytime soon? I imagine with his version fetching the prices it does, that the demand is there. Not to search for a decently priced used one...

-Robert
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Sep 29, 2011 01:15PM)
@Vlad.

I'm actually looking more for books on the theory on magic than actual effects, as I want to be the best performer possibly. But I'm always very curious about the classic books in magic - Just for the fact that they are concidered a classic. Also if it only contains effects.

Let me be a little more clear on what I meant about being outdated. I could have been a little more specific.
I'm actually talking more about certain effects than books itself. For ME, I feel like some of the original effects has been outdated. IMO, I feel there are better/more streamlined handlings today of some of the very classic's effects in magic.
That of course could lead to another debate, whether a book only good, if you're going to do effects from it?. My answer to that is no.
But I still would prefer a book, where I could use as many effects as possible or learn better handlings on certain moves.

But thank you Vlad, for writing an indepth and honest review on this book. I will definately concider fiding a kaufman edition
Message: Posted by: krazykat (Dec 13, 2011 06:43AM)
If you know how to read it, there is plenty of theory in Greater Magic. There is even an entire on stage magic written by David Bamberg!

Also - it is true that many of the effects have been "streamlined" over the years. However, if you go back and learn the original, you may find that it plays better FOR YOU than a more modern version. If it does not, understand why it does not and then making changes will give a strong trick that no one else can do, because it was designed FOR YOU BY YOU.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Dec 16, 2011 09:45PM)
Greater Magic is a truly wonderful book: like taking a college course in advance magic theory through the application of magic. I don't stand to make a penny if you buy it or not, because my reprint is long gone and probably will never happen again until the book becomes public domain. I added 400 pages, however the material I added is a combination of history about how the book came to be, as well as some items that were slated to appear in the book and either removed at the last minute or simply never included by Jean Hugard, who took over long after Hilliard died. However, the material is not the same as in The Lost Notebooks of John Northern Hilliard.

There's a reason Greater Magic is famous--read it from cover to cover and you'll see why.
Message: Posted by: boinko (Dec 17, 2011 09:27AM)
When is it slated to go into the public domain?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Dec 18, 2011 07:29AM)
[quote]
On 2011-12-17 10:27, boinko wrote:
When is it slated to go into the public domain?
[/quote]

Boinko,

Normally, books go into the public domain 67 years after the death of the copyright holder IF the copyright was not renewed. However, given the fact that it took a minor miracle for Mr. Kaufman to reprint this seems to imply that the copyright has been well protected. So we will be old if not dead when Greater Magic goes PD.

There is a reason why Bobo is incomplete in the Dover edition and that is because certain sections had the copyright renewed and others didn't. So the complete Bobo can only be had in the Magic,Inc. hard back.

Interesting weird trivia for you: The Bible is still under copyright! I should modify that: the Bible used by protestants is still protected by copyright. The protestant bible has 66 books. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox bibles have 73 and 74 books respectively: the Deuterocanonical books (referred to as Apocrypha by protestants) and in the case of the Orthodox Christian Church one addition book beyond 1st and 2nd Maccabees.

Strange that the word of God is under copyright. Lawyers!! Grrr

Dracula however IS public domain which is why you see a plethora of editions and printing. Not that you would make much money, but, you can legally do an edition of Stoker's classic.

Ahimsa,
Vlad

PS: Copyright laws are fairly complex though not as complex as Trademark laws. The information In have provided is not from a legal expertise but rather conventions in the laws as they were 10 years ago when I worked as a cartographic specialist and archiver.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Dec 18, 2011 10:21AM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 14:15, Magic-Daniel wrote:
@Vlad.

I'm actually looking more for books on the theory on magic than actual effects, as I want to be the best performer possibly. But I'm always very curious about the classic books in magic - Just for the fact that they are concidered a classic. Also if it only contains effects.

Let me be a little more clear on what I meant about being outdated. I could have been a little more specific.
I'm actually talking more about certain effects than books itself. For ME, I feel like some of the original effects has been outdated. IMO, I feel there are better/more streamlined handlings today of some of the very classic's effects in magic.
That of course could lead to another debate, whether a book only good, if you're going to do effects from it?. My answer to that is no.
But I still would prefer a book, where I could use as many effects as possible or learn better handlings on certain moves.

But thank you Vlad, for writing an indepth and honest review on this book. I will definately concider fiding a kaufman edition
[/quote]

Do you have "Our Magic"?
Message: Posted by: Jim Sparx (Dec 19, 2011 10:27PM)
When I was a kid in 1949 the book was selling for $10. I bought a copy a month ago for $125, the Kaufman edition. I saved my dollars for the Tarbell & Rice books instead of GM.

I think the real bargains for magic books is the complete editions of The Sphinx and Hugard material, now available on DVDs. The classic how to in presentation was the Fitzkee triolgy. Maybe there is something newer I don't know about
Message: Posted by: jnrussell (Feb 23, 2012 04:58PM)
Vlad, actually the King James Version of the Bible (protestant) IS in the public domain. More recent translations are copyrighted, but the KJV is 400 years old and very much available for open public use.
Message: Posted by: Magic-Daniel (Feb 25, 2012 01:34PM)
[quote]
On 2011-12-18 11:21, LobowolfXXX wrote:
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 14:15, Magic-Daniel wrote:
@Vlad.

I'm actually looking more for books on the theory on magic than actual effects, as I want to be the best performer possibly. But I'm always very curious about the classic books in magic - Just for the fact that they are concidered a classic. Also if it only contains effects.

Let me be a little more clear on what I meant about being outdated. I could have been a little more specific.
I'm actually talking more about certain effects than books itself. For ME, I feel like some of the original effects has been outdated. IMO, I feel there are better/more streamlined handlings today of some of the very classic's effects in magic.
That of course could lead to another debate, whether a book only good, if you're going to do effects from it?. My answer to that is no.
But I still would prefer a book, where I could use as many effects as possible or learn better handlings on certain moves.

But thank you Vlad, for writing an indepth and honest review on this book. I will definately concider fiding a kaufman edition
[/quote]

Do you have "Our Magic"?
[/quote]

Yes, I do. I love this book. And in general I try to read as much about magic theory as possible
Message: Posted by: Michael Landes (Feb 28, 2012 05:03PM)
Hi,

My two cents: the card portions of Greater Magic, about 60% of the whole, is essential. Period. I consider the remainder of the book to be not very valuable.
There are a few other chapters I like, but not many. On the whole I think the rest of the book is a wash. I would say to get a used copy of the card portion, entitled
Card Magic, except that there are a couple of card chapters missing from that. Sorry. Understand that I'm not referring to the quality of the material that is being described,
rather I'm referring to the descriptions. It reads as essentially just Hilliard's notes. And without Hilliard there to flesh them out they are simply insufficient.

Why the difference? Well, I seem to recollect that Hugard did not do the card portion. Rather, I seem to recollect that the card portion of the manuscript was given over to
Horowitz to "edit". It is likely that this resulted in substantive additions and revisions of the text that might have made all the difference.

But, for non card magic I can easily list 100 books I would recommend before Greater Magic. In fact, for non card magic, I would not recommend it AT ALL, (although as I say, there are a few nice portions.
Message: Posted by: Michael Landes (Feb 28, 2012 05:07PM)
If you seriously are looking for cheap, available texts that will help you become better. I can do no better than to recommend a tiny book available on Dover,
called something like The Magic Of Alkazar. Does anyone know this book? It is ostensibly for children, but it is as good a master class in magic as I know of.
Simple, straightforeward object lessons on every aspect of performing magic. And for once the advice is on the money.
Message: Posted by: PapaG (Mar 2, 2012 07:53PM)
For those interested, I am selling a mint copy of the Kaufman edition of Greater Magic. PM me for details.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Mar 4, 2012 01:35PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-28 18:07, Michael Landes wrote:
If you seriously are looking for cheap, available texts that will help you become better. I can do no better than to recommend a tiny book available on Dover,
called something like The Magic Of Alkazar. Does anyone know this book? It is ostensibly for children, but it is as good a master class in magic as I know of.
Simple, straightforeward object lessons on every aspect of performing magic. And for once the advice is on the money.
[/quote]

To each his or her own but to place this book you mention ABOVE Greater Magic and The Tarbell Course in Magic (and I would add even The Mark Wilson Course) is rather interesting. I would love to get your thoughts on how Greater Magic and the hard back Tarbell volumes seem to be "less" for you than The Magic of Alkazar.

Please understand that I ask out of curiosity.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 4, 2012 02:14PM)
... And it is a superb bookend ;) Jan
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Mar 4, 2012 09:37PM)
[quote]
On 2012-03-04 14:35, Vlad_77 wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-02-28 18:07, Michael Landes wrote:
If you seriously are looking for cheap, available texts that will help you become better. I can do no better than to recommend a tiny book available on Dover,
called something like The Magic Of Alkazar. Does anyone know this book? It is ostensibly for children, but it is as good a master class in magic as I know of.
Simple, straightforeward object lessons on every aspect of performing magic. And for once the advice is on the money.
[/quote]

To each his or her own but to place this book you mention ABOVE Greater Magic and The Tarbell Course in Magic (and I would add even The Mark Wilson Course) is rather interesting. I would love to get your thoughts on how Greater Magic and the hard back Tarbell volumes seem to be "less" for you than The Magic of Alkazar.

Please understand that I ask out of curiosity.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
[/quote]

Reading closely, he differentiated Alcazar from the $100+ Greater Magic/Tarbell Course it by its virtues of being:

- cheap
- available

I think it's pretty useful to know about surprisingly good $5 books that I can put into people's hands.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Mar 5, 2012 05:18AM)
Duaneberry,

I agree in terms of your assertion that there are GREAT 5.00 USD booklets that are must haves. Some of the best magic I have ever learned came from these small booklets. But I am curious as to how the booklet Michael mentions is more complete in terms of a complete magic course. In his words, "it is as good a master class in magic as I know of."

Perhaps it IS a wonderful book, but I would offer that the fact that it is "cheap" and "available" are not compelling arguments in terms of it being a master class. While there are some magicians that argue that Greater Magic is over rated and that Tarbell is irrelevant, I have not found a compelling argument stating why.

As far as cheap and available, I would add that the original Stars of Magic - arguably one of the greatest bargains in close up magic comes close to the status of master course although there are no explicit articles on theory.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: Woland (Mar 24, 2012 08:35AM)
I spent many hours in my late childhood reading and re-reading "Greater Magic," that I repeatedly checked out of my local public library. I would be delighted to find a reprint available.
Message: Posted by: Michael Landes (Mar 28, 2012 08:50PM)
[quote]
On 2012-03-04 14:35, Vlad_77 wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-02-28 18:07, Michael Landes wrote:
If you seriously are looking for cheap, available texts that will help you become better. I can do no better than to recommend a tiny book available on Dover,
called something like The Magic Of Alkazar. Does anyone know this book? It is ostensibly for children, but it is as good a master class in magic as I know of.
Simple, straightforeward object lessons on every aspect of performing magic. And for once the advice is on the money.
[/quote]

To each his or her own but to place this book you mention ABOVE Greater Magic and The Tarbell Course in Magic (and I would add even The Mark Wilson Course) is rather interesting. I would love to get your thoughts on how Greater Magic and the hard back Tarbell volumes seem to be "less" for you than The Magic of Alkazar.

Please understand that I ask out of curiosity.

Ahimsa,
Vlad
[/quote]

Hi Vlad, If you will re-read my short recommendation you will find that I don't place the Alkazar book above or below anything,
I simply recommend it. the other two books are icons, while the Alkazar book is relatively unknown so I thought I mention it.

Nonetheless, you will also note that I recommend it as among other things, cheap, which Greater Magic and Tarbell are not.
Even used copies of those are quite expensice, while Alkazar is a couple of bucks.

I will say this with regards to comparisons of the three however:
apples oranges and pears. The three of them are so different as to not be comparable in any meaningful way.
I do hold the Alkazar dearer to my heart than the other two, but that is a personal matter and hardly even worth noting. I'm glad I own and have
studied all three.

I'm mentioned my caveats to Greater Magic already. As to Tarbell, it's greatest virtue is also it's greatest weakness, it's size. It's not a book
to read so much as an invaluable reference encyclopedia. It's easy to find people who've owned the lot for decades without reading a quarter of it,
and why should they? One of the great virtues of Alkazar is it's extreme brevity. Anyone who starts it will read it through. Anyone serious who starts
it will actually work it through like a course and that's exactly what it is, a short course in how to do good magic. And anyone who does will come out
a better magician. Pretty good.


'
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Mar 29, 2012 10:17PM)
[quote]
On 2011-09-29 14:15, Magic-Daniel wrote:
@Vlad.

For ME, I feel like some of the original effects has been outdated. IMO, I feel there are better/more streamlined handlings today of some of the very classic's effects in magic.

[/quote]

Those better or more streamlined handling would not be available without the book being published, now would they. Old books are exciting to some as it give a 'foundation' to create magic, whither it be considered new and improved or not.

You can stop looking for books on theory, as there is not much published on theory as they do not sell. Tommy Wonder came the closest in his books.

Practical application is better then theory when it comes to magic.
Message: Posted by: Rennie (Mar 31, 2012 10:20AM)
My two cents, Greater Magic and Tarbell are a must have if you are at all into magic. Enough said!!
Rennie
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (Sep 18, 2012 12:49AM)
I understand that an item is worth what you're willing to pay for it, but what's a fair purchase price for the fancy Kaufman and Greenberg edition? I see it currently sells on Amazon for almost $500.
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Sep 18, 2012 07:58AM)
Probably $250 - $350.

It regularly sold for $400 a few years ago, but I don't think it ever reached $500.
Message: Posted by: Mike Ince (Sep 18, 2012 08:36PM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-18 08:58, duanebarry wrote:
Probably $250 - $350.
[/quote]

Thanks, Duane.
Message: Posted by: Mr Timothy Gray (Apr 6, 2013 05:30PM)
So, what's the legal issue with 'Greater Magic' and why did it take a miracle for Kaufman to have it published?
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Apr 6, 2013 06:57PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-06 18:30, Mr Timothy Gray wrote:
So, what's the legal issue with 'Greater Magic' and why did it take a miracle for Kaufman to have it published?
[/quote]

That is a question that you might want to ask Mr. Kaufman directly. That said, it is my understanding - and Mr. Kaufman will certainly correct me if I am mistaken - the publisher of Greater Magic,Carl Waring Jones, had specified that he did not want Greater Magic to be reprinted anymore. Better informed scholars will be able to tell you how many editions and printings of the Jones original were released. I do know from older magician friends that Greater Magic was unavailable for a very long time and that later editions were selling for rather handsome sums. When the Kaufman edition hit, it was a major event. I literally snagged the last copy a dealer in Virginia had on his shelf. The customer right before me was holding the book and I was terrified he would buy it. Man I prayed to every deity I believe in and even those I don't for him to put it on the shelf. The deities heard me. The dealer had informed me that any copies out there still on dealer's shelves were "it", i.e, that the Kaufman edition was officially - and he said forever - out of print. I was VERY lucky that this copy stayed on that dealer's shelf.

I am unaware of any plans for a reprint. Yes there have been rumors, but nothing more.

Interestingly, this edition has commanded higher prices in general than a Jones first edition in general.

I believe that there is a demand for this landmark volume but, from what I understand, the Jones family holds the reigns. I am hopeful they will consider allowing maybe a smaller second print run. But then we get back to Mr. Kaufman and whether he would be willing to republish it. Only the Jones family and Mr. Kaufman can truly answer the question.

I will reiterate that if you have a chance at snagging Greater Magic - either the Jones original or the Kaufman reprint - do what you can to get it. Though some have argued that some of the effects are "out of date" I disagree. But even if some were - to play Devil's advocate here - this book is the third largest monograph ever written in magic behind The James File and Stewart James in Print and Greater Magic is in many ways a self-contained course in magic. Rennie said it best when he stated that if you are into magic at all, Greater Magic and Tarbell are musts. I couldn't agree more and I am so fortunate to own them.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: rklew64 (Apr 6, 2013 10:34PM)
Hi Magic Daniel,
This Book is so overrated. I would stay clear of owning it altogether and seek out some other title more current.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 7, 2013 09:43AM)
???
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Apr 7, 2013 09:51AM)
You had me goin there for a minute, rklew. Good one!
Message: Posted by: robinr (Apr 7, 2013 07:00PM)
I can remember Greater Magic, Royal Road to Card Magic, and Expert Card Technique were my bibles in my early years. If you add Bobo's Coin Magic, and the two Henry Hays books, you have enough sleight-of-hand to probably still make a career on. My first performance on stage (9th grade) was one of the 5 cards taken, controlled and revealed in different ways from Greater Magic. Even in these faster paced days, I think that could knock out audiences.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Apr 10, 2013 07:37AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-07 20:00, robinr wrote:
I can remember Greater Magic, Royal Road to Card Magic, and Expert Card Technique were my bibles in my early years. If you add Bobo's Coin Magic, and the two Henry Hays books, you have enough sleight-of-hand to probably still make a career on. My first performance on stage (9th grade) was one of the 5 cards taken, controlled and revealed in different ways from Greater Magic. Even in these faster paced days, I think that could knock out audiences.
[/quote]

Absolutely! Paul Cummins' Fusillade and Aldo Colombini's Fireworks routine are but two of the many great examples that support your claim.

To rklew, you had me going too man! I literally had to read your post three times because I thought my eyes had gone all wonky. :) You really musn't write such things where Magicfish and I can read them. I know that for me at least, the malicious humours excited in my body cause my galvanic belt to short out to disastrous consequences. Being a victim of various and sundry maladies as a result of my not inconsiderable travels across the globe as an accomplished anthroplogist has made my constitution delicate and my chirurgeon has cautioned me that the excitation of these malicious homours could spell my demise.

Oh, but I do have to say that I recall so very vividly those wild nights in Samoa with Margaret Mead - we called her Maggie. There was this one night when we were [ed. note: take your snake oil Vlad, Maggie never fancied you. Please also remember that Saturday next you are due for leeching.].

:)

Vlad
Message: Posted by: Glenn Watson (Apr 17, 2013 10:52PM)
I found a set of several volums that made up greater magic and the bobo book ina used book store. The greater magic set cost me $40.
Message: Posted by: Mr Timothy Gray (May 4, 2013 04:42AM)
So, then, am I correct in thinking that GREATER MAGIC was published in a single volume edition and a multi-volume set?
Message: Posted by: vampiro (May 4, 2013 07:33PM)
Yes, Greater Magic is in two styles: single and multi-volume.
By the way, we all need to show our appreciation to Vlad. First of all, he brings an almost unprecedented love and passion
to the older books and magazines. Because of his focus, I found and posted a free PDF of Downs' Modern Coin Manipulation
today, under the sleight of hand section in coins.

I never realized that Downs' book, from 1900, has some things that are more advanced and beyond Bobo's. So there are some treasures
in old gems.

Also, Vlad, you must be Vlad the vampire, since you and Margaret Mead had a thing going. How long have you been around?
I am about 400, from an older competing clan of vamps.

Vampiro
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (May 4, 2013 09:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-04 20:33, vampiro wrote:
Yes, Greater Magic is in two styles: single and multi-volume.
By the way, we all need to show our appreciation to Vlad. First of all, he brings an almost unprecedented love and passion
to the older books and magazines. Because of his focus, I found and posted a free PDF of Downs' Modern Coin Manipulation
today, under the sleight of hand section in coins.

I never realized that Downs' book, from 1900, has some things that are more advanced and beyond Bobo's. So there are some treasures
in old gems.

Also, Vlad, you must be Vlad the vampire, since you and Margaret Mead had a thing going. How long have you been around?
I am about 400, from an older competing clan of vamps.

Vampiro
[/quote]

Thank you for the kind words Brother ;)

As you know we have allowed those mortals at White Wolf to create The Masquerade. So, at least in their reckoning which of course consists of what we "tell" them, I am of The Sabbat rather than The Camarilla. Margaret had good "taste" but Samoa was a tad too sunny. ;)

As to Greater Magic, there was also a volume published by Lee Jacob's Productions that was the card magic section of Greater Magic. I am currently 7000+ km from my books so I cannot recall the title. But, it is, word for word, the card section of Greater Magic with is roughly 500+ pages.
Message: Posted by: duanebarry (May 4, 2013 11:04PM)
[i]Hilliard's Card Magic[/i], published by Carl W Jones, 1945, 586 pp.
Message: Posted by: Mr Timothy Gray (May 5, 2013 10:03AM)
For those of us who perform on the mental side of magic, is the section on mental magic conprised of entries found in other publications of the time, or were they published solely for GREATER MAGIC?

This is mere curiosity, and does not deter my quest to find an afforadable copy of the book.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (May 5, 2013 01:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-05 11:03, Mr Timothy Gray wrote:
For those of us who perform on the mental side of magic, is the section on mental magic conprised of entries found in other publications of the time, or were they published solely for GREATER MAGIC?

This is mere curiosity, and does not deter my quest to find an afforadable copy of the book.
[/quote]

From my studying of the history of this book, some of the effects may indeed have appeared in some of the journals and smaller booklets at the time, but, what made Greater Magic so revolutionary is that it was at the time the largest collection of magic in a single volume ever available to magicians and mentalists. Even now, it is the third largest magic monograph ever printed:

1. The James File
2. Stewart James in Print: The First Fifty Years
3. Greater Magic

Reading copy and reviews of the time (1938) this book was hailed even at publication as one of the essential books for any working library. The fact that this book has stood the test of time certainly proves how prophetic the statements were.

The book is worth the search whether it's the Jones original or the expanded Richard Kaufman edition. It is, as many have stated, a complete course in magic in one volume.

Duaneberry, thanks for providing the citation to the Lee Jacobs published book! ( The version I have was published by Lee Jacobs so I need to research the reason why Carl Jones allowed Hilliard's book to be published simultaneously.

Namaste,
Vlad
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 3, 2015 01:43PM)
"Greater Magic", probably the most comprehensive and best single book ever written on magic as a whole. Hardbound, 1330 pages! One of my favorites EVER and I recently acquired a copy in new condition for a great price! Greater Magic: A Practical Treatise On Modern Magic by John Northern Hilliard. His manuscripts and notes were edited by Carl W. Jones and Jean Hugard. Dedicated to Angelo Lewis (Professor Hoffmann), author of Modern Magic, it was illustrated by Harlan Tarbell.

Greater Magic was released in 1938 as an encyclopedia of magic intended specifically for magicians, not the general public. It was only distributed and advertised within the conjuring world. It covers magic with cards, silks, billiard balls, sponge balls, cups & balls, coins, cigarettes and cigars, bills, ropes, the linking rings, mentalism, magic squares, apparatus magic, stage illusions, and more.

It contains 715 effects, contributed by over 100 magicians, including some of the greatest names of the day: Max Holden, Percy Abbott, J. N. Hofzinser, Theodore Annemann, Horace Goldin, Al Baker, Ade Duval, Karl Germain, David and Theo Bamberg, Dr. James Elliott, Joe Berg, Jardine Ellis, Sam Berland, T. Nelson Downs, Harry Blackstone (Sr.), David Devant, Floyd Thayer, Carl Brema, Cardini, Buatier DeKolta, Milbourne Christopher, Chung Ling Soo, S.H. Sharpe, Dr. Jack Daley, Paul Curry, Stanley Collins, Harlan Tarbell, S. Leo Horowitz, Houdini, Selbit, Edwin Sachs, Jean Hugard, John Scarne, Burling Hull, Stewart James, Paul Rosini, Joseffy, Stewart Judah, John Ramsay, Billy O'Connor, Harry Kellar, Lester Lake, Mora, Jack Merlin, William W. Larsen (Sr.), Paul LePaul, John Nevil Maskelyne, Max Malini, Nate Leizig, Eugene Laurant, Sid Lorraine, Audley Walsh, Robert Stull, Howard Thurston, William H. McCaffery and Dai Vernon.
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jun 7, 2015 06:08AM)
[quote]On Jun 3, 2015, sirbrad wrote:
"Greater Magic", probably the most comprehensive and best single book ever written on magic as a whole. Hardbound, 1330 pages! One of my favorites EVER and I recently acquired a copy in new condition for a great price! Greater Magic: A Practical Treatise On Modern Magic by John Northern Hilliard. His manuscripts and notes were edited by Carl W. Jones and Jean Hugard. Dedicated to Angelo Lewis (Professor Hoffmann), author of Modern Magic, it was illustrated by Harlan Tarbell.

Greater Magic was released in 1938 as an encyclopedia of magic intended specifically for magicians, not the general public. It was only distributed and advertised within the conjuring world. It covers magic with cards, silks, billiard balls, sponge balls, cups & balls, coins, cigarettes and cigars, bills, ropes, the linking rings, mentalism, magic squares, apparatus magic, stage illusions, and more.

It contains 715 effects, contributed by over 100 magicians, including some of the greatest names of the day: Max Holden, Percy Abbott, J. N. Hofzinser, Theodore Annemann, Horace Goldin, Al Baker, Ade Duval, Karl Germain, David and Theo Bamberg, Dr. James Elliott, Joe Berg, Jardine Ellis, Sam Berland, T. Nelson Downs, Harry Blackstone (Sr.), David Devant, Floyd Thayer, Carl Brema, Cardini, Buatier DeKolta, Milbourne Christopher, Chung Ling Soo, S.H. Sharpe, Dr. Jack Daley, Paul Curry, Stanley Collins, Harlan Tarbell, S. Leo Horowitz, Houdini, Selbit, Edwin Sachs, Jean Hugard, John Scarne, Burling Hull, Stewart James, Paul Rosini, Joseffy, Stewart Judah, John Ramsay, Billy O'Connor, Harry Kellar, Lester Lake, Mora, Jack Merlin, William W. Larsen (Sr.), Paul LePaul, John Nevil Maskelyne, Max Malini, Nate Leizig, Eugene Laurant, Sid Lorraine, Audley Walsh, Robert Stull, Howard Thurston, William H. McCaffery and Dai Vernon. [/quote]

I couldn't agree more sirbrad! I realize that newcomers to the art are chomping at the bit for the "latest and greatest" and pour bucket loads of money into DVD sets by today's stars like DaOrtiz, Gladwin, Jay, Wind, et. al, but, Greater Magic, now 77 years old STILL contains MUCH that is latest and greatest while also remaining an ESSENTIAL addition to the library of ANY magician.

I realize that such a claim would seem both pompous and preposterous to many but I stand by it as staunchly I do when I say that Tarbell is ALSO essential. Every once in a while, Greater Magic comes up for sale here on The Café. I would STRONGLY urge newcomers to get this profoundly important book that Richard Kaufman called a complete course in magic in one volume. The cost might mean that you have to forego the latest release from [insert latest and greatest online retailer here] but what you get in Greater Magic FAR outweighs what ANY DVD set could give you.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 7, 2015 11:10AM)
Yeah today's generation wants everything "instantly" and most are too lazy to read books, especially huge ones. But us old-school guys had to read these massive tomes back in the day and it was harder to gain entry into the art back then, and we did not have the internet. We had old black and white catalogs with vague product descriptions and line drawings, and a magician in a top hat and tails with lightning bolts coming out of his fingers; and a promise to make you "the life of the party". I still buy, collect and read those old catalogs. I love DVDS as they are a great learning source, and allows you to see others perform and be able to see the timing and angles of moves a lot better. But I don't think they replace great books. They are great companion though, especially encyclopedia types which are great for referencing.

So those who do not have them have no idea what great material they are missing out on. Also nothing is "dated" because if you are creative and experienced enough you can adapt anything to the current times. Sometimes you don't even have to as those "acts" are acts in themselves and I do classic acts all the time and people love them. I love books, DVDS, eBooks etc, all are great learning tools. But books are special to me as they are what started it all, once I made my journey to the local public library. I love the fact that I have walls of huge books on magic that I can read anytime and find hidden gems, and that I have so much information waiting for me within.

Today's generation do not know what it was like to wait 10-12 weeks for magic, they get mad if they do not get it in 2-3 days. But I am glad I was fortunate enough to learn the correct way, and read tons of books so I could learn as much as possible and still do. Video was a Godsend and I still love it, but you get so much more bang for your buck with books. But I think both are great and important. I think Jeff McBride said on his "essential books" video that "If you want new ideas look in old books, if you want old ideas look in new books." Eugene Burger also had Greater Magic as one of his top 3 and talked about as well which made it want it even more as I am a huge fan if his magic and work and I have most of his books and DVDS. "The Dean" knows that he is talking about! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig58bZe6c-o

Another great thing about reading those old catalogs and books is that it forced you to use your imagination. You had to imagine what everything was supposed to look like, and actually think about it which also forced you to become more creative as opposed to just copying someone else.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 7, 2015 11:27AM)
I also love Tarbell equally as well, I even printed out my own "Magic Diploma" long ago when I completed the 8 book set. I enlarged the original years ago and printed it out as if it was from Harlan Tarbell himself, and framed it and put it on my wall. :lol: Recently I made my own better quality ones that I will be awarding myself once I get through the entire original lessons book. I love doing stuff the way it was originally done, and keeps me even more motivated and is more fun as well due to the authentic, nostalgic factor. :D I am also thrilled that I was able to obtain a complete set of physical books of the "Hugard's Magic Monthly", and "Rice's Silk Magic" among many others. So I got A LOT of reading to do!
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (Jun 7, 2015 01:53PM)
Hugard's Magic Monthly is B R I L L I A N T. :)
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 7, 2015 03:59PM)
Indeed it is, 23 LBS of brilliance! :bigsmile: We share the same love for classic periodicals, and I have most of the eBooks and I am still collecting printed books as I find them and already spent thousands doing so. But the investment was WELL worth it! I also have a lot of the less known classics as well and buy tons of those still when I see them on eBay/Amazon and still got many originals from 35 years ago, and all of the ones that I first started with.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 7, 2015 07:08PM)
"And the fact really is that people who read books about magic are better magicians than people who just watch television and DVDS, that's the fact." -Eugene Burger 8:38
Message: Posted by: Shayde Phoenix (Jun 13, 2015 05:51PM)
[quote]On Jun 7, 2015, sirbrad wrote:
"And the fact really is that people who read books about magic are better magicians than people who just watch television and DVDS, that's the fact." -Eugene Burger 8:38 [/quote]

I won't argue with Eugene's statement...

;)
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jun 13, 2015 06:16PM)
Yeah because they also take in a ton of more information than DVDS. DVDS are great supplements for books but not a replacement.
Message: Posted by: pnielan (Jul 23, 2015 11:20PM)
Getting into magic in the 1970s, many of us started with the best "public" magic book ever: The Amateur Magician's Handbook. In it, Hay often refers to The Art of Magic and Greater Magic (or the subset that was published independently as Card Magic). While the Art of Magic was easily obtainable, I looked for 20 years for a copy of Greater Magic (this was pre-web mostly). Hard to come by. Never found one in a library or at a magic store. And I checked in every city my job took me to. It was only when Richard Kaufman republished it, that I was able to obtain a copy, and I'm glad I pulled the trigger right away.
Message: Posted by: Vogler (Jul 26, 2015 10:25AM)
Greater Magic is not only a priceless book, but a very enjoyable reading as well! For me it's like time travel in the past.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (May 4, 2018 11:44AM)
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time.
Message: Posted by: WitchDocChris (May 4, 2018 02:29PM)
Looking forward to it.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (May 17, 2018 01:59PM)
Vlad_77!

I was browsing in Jay Marshall's library, back in the '70s, and was surprised to see SO MANY COPIES of "Greater Magic". Then, Jay took one off the shelf, and said, with "that look" in his eyes: "THIS IS 'THE' COPY!!!" He handed it to me. It seemed quite "normal", until I opened the cover. THERE WAS ONLY THE FIRST CHAPTER! THE REMAINDER OF THE BOOK, WAS BLANK PAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay grinned, and, said, "Ya wanna know the story of the "EXPURGATED EDITION"??? I responded, "Well, if you insist, I'll listen." (hee hee)

He assumed his historian manner, and, told me.

I just thought that I would mention this, in case you know, about it, and, would like to tell the tale. (I'm just an old tired out, (reTIRED) school show magician. You are the obvious expert! I would defer to you to explain how the expurgated edition, happened to "happen".

I read the first edition of "GM', when I was about 16. It, and "Tarbell" started me on the right course! With all of the great material in "Greater Magic", I found Chapter XXXI, the most valuable! I never met David Bamberg, but, I did meet his father, Okito, when I was 18, and, it was immediately obvious from whom David had learned!

That chapter begins with a quotation from Duse. --"The secret of art is to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate." About three years later, while attending a leadership training conference, I learned an acronym, KIS - MIF, (Keep It Simple - Make It Fun"). So! Bamberg, Duse, and, KIS - MIF, became my "guides".
Message: Posted by: Vlad_77 (May 18, 2018 07:37PM)
[quote]On May 17, 2018, Dick Oslund wrote:
Vlad_77!

I was browsing in Jay Marshall's library, back in the '70s, and was surprised to see SO MANY COPIES of "Greater Magic". Then, Jay took one off the shelf, and said, with "that look" in his eyes: "THIS IS 'THE' COPY!!!" He handed it to me. It seemed quite "normal", until I opened the cover. THERE WAS ONLY THE FIRST CHAPTER! THE REMAINDER OF THE BOOK, WAS BLANK PAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay grinned, and, said, "Ya wanna know the story of the "EXPURGATED EDITION"??? I responded, "Well, if you insist, I'll listen." (hee hee)

He assumed his historian manner, and, told me.

I just thought that I would mention this, in case you know, about it, and, would like to tell the tale. (I'm just an old tired out, (reTIRED) school show magician. You are the obvious expert! I would defer to you to explain how the expurgated edition, happened to "happen".

I read the first edition of "GM', when I was about 16. It, and "Tarbell" started me on the right course! With all of the great material in "Greater Magic", I found Chapter XXXI, the most valuable! I never met David Bamberg, but, I did meet his father, Okito, when I was 18, and, it was immediately obvious from whom David had learned!

That chapter begins with a quotation from Duse. --"The secret of art is to eliminate, eliminate, eliminate." About three years later, while attending a leadership training conference, I learned an acronym, KIS - MIF, (Keep It Simple - Make It Fun"). So! Bamberg, Duse, and, KIS - MIF, became my "guides". [/quote]


First off Mr. Oslund, it's a real treat to "talk" to you here! I'm a big fan of yours.

I find myself thinking that I'm a salty geezer who berates the young'uns to get off my lawn and read Tarbell and Greater Magic - the unexpurgated edition of course. ;) I'm preparing for a series of formal sit down close up performances - how rare are those? :) I found myself going straight to Tarbell, Greater Magic, and my other big go to source, Apocalypse. What strikes me constantly is how great these sources are. While Apocalypse is relatively "contemporary," Tarbell and Greater Magic would be considered ancient history to the kids wanting those dreadful one trick pony DVDs. I think of Tarbell and Greater Magic as essential, foundational resources that every magician should have on her/his shelf. I am hopeful that Mr. Kaufman sells boat loads of Greater Magic and More Greater Magic as I'm sure he is. I REALLY hope that newcomers to the art can make the leap to a new paradigm rather than buying every new trick that rolls out of Murphy's. The educator in me wants them to be excited. I bought my copy of Greater Magic 20 years ago Mr. Oslund and it seems like an infinite resource. I believe that Mr. Kaufman stated that it is a complete course in magic and I couldn't agree more.

You have great "guides." To have met Okito had to have been an amazing moment!

As for the expurgated edition, I will gladly tell the tale if there is interest. Thank you so very much for your post!

Best,
"Vlad"
Message: Posted by: B. Edwards (Jun 3, 2018 01:29AM)
[quote]On May 4, 2018, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time. [/quote]

Having a new original version and an updated unpublished version as separate volumes... is a fantastic idea! :bg:

I have a first edition copy and I handle it like it were a newborn baby. It would be nice just to read through a copy without worry of the spine cracking, page tears or bits of page corners breaking off.

I am most interested. :)


Brian
Message: Posted by: Mr Timothy Gray (Jun 10, 2018 08:54AM)
[quote]On May 4, 2018, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time. [/quote]

Wonderful news!
Message: Posted by: EvilClown (Jun 12, 2018 05:50PM)
[quote]On May 4, 2018, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time. [/quote]

This is great news. Andy Greget mentioned to me at MAWNY that Mr. Kaufman would be reissuing GREATER MAGIC but I had not seen an official notice. I will take this to mean that I no longer have to lurk on eBay for a copy.
Message: Posted by: mindmagic (Oct 14, 2018 03:08AM)
[quote]On May 4, 2018, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time. [/quote]

Any news on when this will be available please?

Barry
Message: Posted by: EvilClown (Oct 14, 2018 01:41PM)
[quote]On Oct 14, 2018, mindmagic wrote:
[quote]On May 4, 2018, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Good news folks, I will be printing a new edition of Greater Magic later this year. The amount of previously unpublished material from Hilliard's notes will be greatly expanded (doubled, I hope), and "More Greater Magic" will become a separate volume (so the new edition will consist of two volumes: the original "Greater Magic" and "More Greater Magic."

Details to follow in time. [/quote]

Any news on when this will be available please?

Barry [/quote]

I have been holding off buying a used copy because I knew this would be coming out. Would love an update on the timing. Same for the reissue of Cliff Green's Professional Card Magic.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Oct 15, 2018 10:09PM)
Out of curiosity, how much was the Kaufman Edition new when it came out? I know it lists for ridiculous amounts on ebay and amazon but I would like to know what it originally cost. I recently bought a mint condition copy from a friend of mine who didn't recall what he paid for it at a convention years ago, he just left it on the bookshelf with the shrink wrap intact and was going to save it to "supplement his retirement" one day. I offered him $150.00 and he was fine with that. I imagine I was not too far off original cost.

Glad to know it might get a re-print but I would love to see a new Larry Jennings book first. On the subject of re-prints, I wonder how hard it would be to convince J.K. Hartman to authorize reprints of "Card Craft", "Trickery Treats" and "Card Dupery"
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jan 26, 2019 12:02AM)
I would love to see it reprinted in a larger format with less pages so it is easier to read overall, like Apocalypse size at least. I had many copies over the years and read the 5 books more since they were easier to read one at a time, and a larger one would have bigger print and stay open better and be easier to carry than a little thick brick. But I still love it nonetheless. I need to get one back now actually, is this back in print then since Richard said "later this year" back in May? I always said it should be, as this and many other great classics need to all come back in print so that many old and new magicians can enjoy them again. They don't do anyone any good not being available.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jan 26, 2019 12:24AM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2018, Poof-Daddy wrote:
Out of curiosity, how much was the Kaufman Edition new when it came out? I know it lists for ridiculous amounts on ebay and amazon but I would like to know what it originally cost. I recently bought a mint condition copy from a friend of mine who didn't recall what he paid for it at a convention years ago, he just left it on the bookshelf with the shrink wrap intact and was going to save it to "supplement his retirement" one day. I offered him $150.00 and he was fine with that. I imagine I was not too far off original cost.

Glad to know it might get a re-print but I would love to see a new Larry Jennings book first. On the subject of re-prints, I wonder how hard it would be to convince J.K. Hartman to authorize reprints of "Card Craft", "Trickery Treats" and "Card Dupery" [/quote]

I believe they were $125, and I sold my mint ones on here several times for about that sometimes more sometimes less. Average price is about $150-$200 But I hope to get this new one back sometime soon.
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Jan 29, 2019 04:36AM)
Back in 1994 is was $85 I believe, as Richard said in a post. "When I first reprinted the book in 1994, I charged $75, which was less than the $10 retail price (adjusting for inflation) when it was originally published. And that was for one volume." Can't wait for the two new, larger 8.5 X 11 versions coming! Saw him post about it on and should be coming this year! "Coming in late 2019: an ENORMOUS new version of Greater Magic!" There will be several hundred more pages in two books!
Message: Posted by: malamoney (Feb 3, 2019 08:18PM)
Does anyone have any additional information on the reprint?
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Feb 16, 2019 03:24PM)
The new version of Greater Magic will take several years to complete.
It will be two or (more likely) three volumes rather than one.
The physical size of the volumes will be increased from 6 x 8 to 8.5 x 11.
The original text will get a general upgrade in regards to missing details or errors.
An equal amount of new material will be added throughout, along with new chapters.
(The original edition of Greater Magic is almost 400,000 words. I expect the new edition to be 800,000 words.)
I would be interested to hear any suggestions you may have regarding items (published or unpublished) which you think should be included. You can post them here.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Feb 18, 2019 07:01AM)
[quote]On Oct 15, 2018, Poof-Daddy wrote:
Out of curiosity, how much was the Kaufman Edition new when it came out? I know it lists for ridiculous amounts on ebay and amazon but I would like to know what it originally cost. I recently bought a mint condition copy from a friend of mine who didn't recall what he paid for it at a convention years ago, he just left it on the bookshelf with the shrink wrap intact and was going to save it to "supplement his retirement" one day. I offered him $150.00 and he was fine with that. I imagine I was not too far off original cost.

Glad to know it might get a re-print but I would love to see a new Larry Jennings book first. On the subject of re-prints, I wonder how hard it would be to convince J.K. Hartman to authorize reprints of "Card Craft", "Trickery Treats" and "Card Dupery" [/quote]
Trickery Treats is not hard to find.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Feb 18, 2019 11:49AM)
Several answers:
1. My reprint of Greater Magic in 1994 was $75.
2. There is not enough of a market to support reprinting J.K Hartman's wonderful books. (I wish there was!)
Message: Posted by: sirbrad (Feb 21, 2019 07:23PM)
[quote]On Feb 16, 2019, Richard Kaufman wrote:
The new version of Greater Magic will take several years to complete. [/quote]

So it won't be done by the end of the year now?
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Feb 21, 2019 07:25PM)
No. If I had followed my original idea, where was simply to expand the More Greater Magic section by adding more unpublished material that was collected by Hilliard but not included in the book, that could have been done by the end of this year.

But that's not what is happening now. It's a big undertaking and will require lots of writing and illustrating.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Feb 22, 2019 12:36AM)
[quote]On Jan 26, 2019, sirbrad wrote:
I would love to see it reprinted in a larger format with less pages so it is easier to read overall, like Apocalypse size at least. I had many copies over the years and read the 5 books more since they were easier to read one at a time, and a larger one would have bigger print and stay open better and be easier to carry than a little thick brick. But I still love it nonetheless. I need to get one back now actually, is this back in print then since Richard said "later this year" back in May? I always said it should be, as this and many other great classics need to all come back in print so that many old and new magicians can enjoy them again. They don't do anyone any good not being available. [/quote]
I disagree wholeheartedly. I am however, looking forward to this new, expanded book from Mr. Kaufman.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Feb 22, 2019 09:10PM)
That would be great. I very much look forward to this new expanded volume(s).
I purchased my cloth bound 1938 edition from the Norm Houghton collection through Tom Ransom many years ago. It is a wonderful copy of a wonderful book. I'm hesitant to handle it much however.
I missed out on your first reprint Richard.
I hope to acquire these new ones.
Thanks for all you do for our community.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Feb 22, 2019 09:14PM)
Greater Magic's binding was heavily reinforced because of the the number of pages. Carl Jones didn't skimp on any financial aspects of the production. I have several editions, and at the moment am working with the seventh printing (since it was revised twice by then to correct errors).

I don't handle the book carefully--it doesn't need it. It's better made than many of today's books!

So, enjoy it!
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Feb 22, 2019 11:02PM)
[quote]On Feb 22, 2019, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Greater Magic's binding was heavily reinforced because of the the number of pages. Carl Jones didn't skimp on any financial aspects of the production. I have several editions, and at the moment am working with the seventh printing (since it was revised twice by then to correct errors).

I don't handle the book carefully--it doesn't need it. It's better made than many of today's books!

So, enjoy it! [/quote]
Thanks Richard, I shall. And thanks for the knowledge on the physical attributes of it. The physical dimensions, weight, quality and general feel of a book are so important and add greatly to my enjoyment of a book.
The Lou Gallo book is a fine example in my opinion. One of my favourites both inside and out.
Message: Posted by: TomB (Aug 25, 2019 06:42AM)
I would hope that you re-release with corrections to errors and change size format for readability.

Then as you add new information, add new volumes. This allows people to read the updated book in a nicer format now. Then you can drip us the other volumes as they are finished. Of course, I do not know the flow of your new chapters.

Regardless, I have subscribed to this post. Vlad really sold me on wanting this book.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Aug 25, 2019 09:56AM)
TomB: If you have noted errors in the book, I'd be grateful if you alert me to them! My email is moobooks@verizon.net.
Message: Posted by: Dick Oslund (Sep 19, 2019 12:42PM)
Heqq! I've enjoyed immensely, reading this thread, since I had the opportunity to read the first edition as a teenager in the mid '40s. It was a tremendous "start" for me as a 14 year old! Years later, I had had the opportunity to read TARBELL, loaned to me by the late Vincent Malmstrom (who had a trick in Vol VI --ORGAN PIPES PRODUCTION).

I was hoping that SOMEONE would ask for the story of the EXPURGATED EDITION! Jay Marshall told me in the '70s when I was a guest in the now "lost forever" CHARLIE MILLER SUITE @ MAGIC INC. in Chicago. The expurgated edition is a "great lesson" in keeping magic secrets!
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Sep 19, 2019 01:38PM)
The Expurgated Edition was done by Jones just for bragging rights for his non-magician friends.
Message: Posted by: jerry100won (May 12, 2020 05:02AM)
Are there still plans to reprint and any update of the date?
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (May 12, 2020 11:39AM)
December 2021 is the publication date.
Message: Posted by: jerry100won (May 12, 2020 08:34PM)
Ok will be on my Christmas list for year !!!
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (May 12, 2020 08:41PM)
I'll have two large books on the magic of Larry Jennings out before that.