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Topic: Is it true?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 10:06AM)
I heard but have not actually seen that the "Occupy Wall Street" group has some of the "protesters" being paid? If you are being paid, are you actually "protesting" anything, much less capitalism?

I can't BELIEVE that! I mean were they not the same group who claimed the Tea Party was "astro turf"? Said they were bought and paid for?

I can't believe that they have to pay people to protest capitalism. Is that not just so ironic you can't believe it?

Forget for a second if you agree or disagree with them. (Although with no agenda supposedly what is there to disagree with?) Is this true and if it is true is it the best way to get a message across? People scream about get the money out of politics (Redshirt.) yet they put together a fake protest in order to put forth an agenda. What is the difference in this and campaign donations?

I just really do not understand the ideas here. Usually I can see the underlying ideas contained in an opinion even if I disagree with it. I do not want to demonise these people as I am sure some of them are genuine and actually are angry. But I would think if they are bought and paid for they would have a much better message. The whole thing is just odd.
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2011 10:45AM)
No
Message: Posted by: irossall (Oct 12, 2011 11:31AM)
People have been payed to get petitions signed. Are they sincere about their cause?

I believe in Peace very sincerely but if someone is willing to pay me to advertise for Peace, I would take the money and advertise. Doesn't make me any more or less sincere. Just makes me a little wealthier.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 11:42AM)
Perhaps not in your particular case no. But there are those who it would make less sincere.

It also brings us to the never ending question why does it make those you oppose less sincere?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 11:42AM)
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On 2011-10-12 11:45, Al Angello wrote:
No
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So obviously you have bad information.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 12, 2011 12:39PM)
Why did you ask the question if you already had a pre-conceived answer? I thought you were more independent minded than that.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 12:59PM)
Oh now wait a second. I asked if they were paid. I said I had no proof they were paid. Ian TOLD ME THEY WERE PAID. How is this not independent minded landmark?

Don't hand me that crap. Now that they are paid, is it really people looking to protest or is it people looking to make money? If it is the second, which some of them MUST be, then is it really the voice of the people is what I am asking.

I am also asking how this is not money in politics?

Why is that not fair minded? Because it goes agianst what you would like the protests to be?

Certainly nobody paid anyone for the Civil Rights protests did they? The anti-war protests didn't have people being paid in the 60's did it? Probably not and that is what made them so powerful!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2011 01:22PM)
We are only looking at the tip of the iceburg soon the ocupiers will greatly outnumber the tea party. Reguardless of the ugly rumors spread by IAN.
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Oct 12, 2011 01:27PM)
Who's Ian?

And is the relevant question: Has anyone been paid by anyone to be there?

Or is it: Are significant numbers of the protesters being paid by anyone to be there?

And my follow-up question is: Since this does not appear to be a unified, centrally organized group, what is the point of the question?

John
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 01:39PM)
John I am simply curious as to if they are being paid, and if so by whom and why? Is that such a stupid thing to want to know?

Notice all the times they say alledged here? http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/228475/20111010/occupy-wall-street-protests-protestors-paid-hired-jobs-volunteer-chicago-hispanic.htm

I keep hearing they are paid by some group, but not that anyone has seen a check stub.
Message: Posted by: critter (Oct 12, 2011 01:50PM)
If there is payment involved then I'd like to know how much. Maybe I could supplement my student loans here...
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Oct 12, 2011 02:57PM)
Is there a market for busking at this event?
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2011 02:58PM)
John
IAN told me that all the tea party members are paid by the Koch brothers, and we all know that IAN doesn't lie.
Message: Posted by: EsnRedshirt (Oct 12, 2011 03:32PM)
I've watched the #OWS protests from day one, and have seen no evidence of astro-turfing. In fact, the disorganized nature- lack of press releases, lack of coordination, etc.- they had when they started might seem indicative of a lack of funding or sponsorship.

I won't deny they're affiliated with groups like the website DailyKos- it's actually through these websites and the community around them that the protests were organized in the first place. But from what I've seen, most of the initial funding (as it were) and participation was done through community outreach and hard work on the part of volunteers. In other words, you could say I've been to the meetings- and if there was astro-turfing involved, then whoever did it has done an incredible job of hiding it from the participants. When the unions finally started to put their support behind the protests, the #OWS crowd was very happy that they were being recognized- something that I don't think would have been such a big deal if it wasn't a real grass-roots effort.

I've been wrong before, but those are my impressions.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 12, 2011 06:40PM)
Is it true that some member of the Magic Café would actually post unsubstantiated rumors knowingly as a propaganda device and would then try to pretend to cover himself by saying well he didn't really have proof, but anyone who disagreed with him was wrong? Well I don't have any proof, but IAN says it's so. Just sayin.'
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 06:55PM)
I can't imagine that people are actually being paid well. I think this is sort of blown out of proportion. In the very link I posted the word alledged appears LOTS of times LOL.

I am just trying to seriously get a handle on who is protesting and what it is they seem to want.

One woman was complaining how she made 50 grand a year and pays too much in taxes. Hmmm it occurs to me she should protest, it is just that she is in the wrong place. She fits in better with the Tea Party!
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 12, 2011 08:20PM)
They would have to come up with some really deep pockets to pay thousands of people to sleep in the park in lower Manhattan. It is extremely expensive to eat, or travel in New York city. Anyone who would put up with these conditions must be very dedicated.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 08:24PM)
I have to say my tendency is to agree with the sentiment Al. It really is. I could not be paid enough to be in those conditions.
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 12, 2011 08:31PM)
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On 2011-10-12 19:40, landmark wrote:
Is it true that some member of the Magic Café would actually post unsubstantiated rumors knowingly as a propaganda device ...
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THAT one made me laugh landmark. Guess you didn't notice but it's been done by those on the left to those of us on the right for the last couple years. Thanks for the chuckle.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 12, 2011 08:32PM)
Yea lots of it about the Tea Party.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Oct 14, 2011 05:49PM)
You can hire protestors and strikers. My brother in law went on strike (Toyota sales manager, tough union) and since they didn't want to lose any sales, being greed mongers, they hired strikers to walk around outside with signs while they worked.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Oct 14, 2011 08:15PM)
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On 2011-10-12 21:31, rockwall wrote:
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On 2011-10-12 19:40, landmark wrote:
Is it true that some member of the Magic Café would actually post unsubstantiated rumors knowingly as a propaganda device ...
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THAT one made me laugh landmark. Guess you didn't notice but it's been done by those on the left to those of us on the right for the last couple years. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Do you think the OP posted a substantiated rumor? He even admits himself it was "alleged." Then in several other threads, the WFP accusation was also shown as false. And yet it's interesting that some continue the false allegations under the cover of "maybe it's not true, but." So if you get a chuckle out of my pointing out exactly what is happening I'm glad to have brightened your day.
Message: Posted by: panlives (Oct 14, 2011 08:20PM)
$$$
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Oct 14, 2011 08:36PM)
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On 2011-10-14 21:15, landmark wrote:
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On 2011-10-12 21:31, rockwall wrote:
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On 2011-10-12 19:40, landmark wrote:
Is it true that some member of the Magic Café would actually post unsubstantiated rumors knowingly as a propaganda device ...
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THAT one made me laugh landmark. Guess you didn't notice but it's been done by those on the left to those of us on the right for the last couple years. Thanks for the chuckle.
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Do you think the OP posted a substantiated rumor? He even admits himself it was "alleged." Then in several other threads, the WFP accusation was also shown as false. And yet it's interesting that some continue the false allegations under the cover of "maybe it's not true, but." So if you get a chuckle out of my pointing out exactly what is happening I'm glad to have brightened your day.
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I am afraid both sides are guilty of the "Maybe its not true but" thinking landmar. At one point when false accusations were levied against a person on the right it was the fact that the accuastion was so strong that it had to be looked into further. In reality it was a way to keep it out there.

Both sides do that crap and it is just stupid.

I have yet to see a pay stub from someone paid to protest. I know it can happen as santa points out but IS it happening is in doubt.