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Topic: Do we have judicial problems?
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 20, 2011 06:27AM)
[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/280604]Conrad Black thinks so.[/url] Of course, he does have a personal beef . . .

[quote]The larger point is that the entire American justice system is crumbling. The country has nearly 48 million people with a criminal record; it has half the lawyers and a quarter of the incarcerated people in the world, and annual legal costs almost as large as the GDP of India. Congress is stuffed with second-rate lawyers who pass grandstanding laws that clutter the courts with what other serious jurisdictions would consider frivolous and vexatious litigation, and the benches are infested with unregenerate ex-prosecutors.

The executive is led about in these matters by an out-of-control prosecutocracy that is an unaccountable state within a state. I had hoped that when the prosecutors wrongly took down the vice presidentís chief of staff and then destroyed the career of a long-serving senator (Ted Stevens) on the basis of what was soon admitted to be sleazy evidentiary practices, and was reversed, the Congress, the judiciary, and even the more sensible elements of the administration would apply some checks and balances. It hasnít happened; the prosecutors win over 90 percent of their cases, almost 90 percent of the time by negotiation, because of the fascistic permutation of the plea bargain into the extortion or subornation of incriminating perjury, and the threat of a much heavier sentence if the constitutionally guaranteed right to a trial is exercised.

All legally informed persons in this country, including Shannen Coffin and the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, know all this. If a brilliant, righteous, and fearless justice like Antonin Scalia is going to rail against co-educational college dormitories while lawless prosecutors are running amok throughout the land, it is indeed, time to pray, and not just for the coeds, the unborn, and the denizens of death row.

The antics of spear-carrying cheerleaders of the foundering system, like Shannen Coffin, will count for little in this reckoning. But the Supreme Court is constantly petitioned to restore the Bill of Rights, which is almost the entire basis of the (now rather ragged) claim of America to be the land of the free. The Supreme Court is the guardian, interpreter, and ultimate imposing authority of the Constitution. The whole country has a right to know where the Court has been while the Bill of Rights has been put to the shredder. The future of the United States as a center of the rule of law depends on its restoration.[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Al Angello (Oct 20, 2011 09:10AM)
There is no legal backlog in the Saudi criminal system, because they execute criminals.

If we legalized victim less crimes the prisons population would rapidly shrink, and the legal backlog would disappear. We are shooting ourselves in the foot repeatedly.
Message: Posted by: critter (Oct 20, 2011 09:20AM)
Which comedian said that you can't say "judicial system" without sounding drunk?
Message: Posted by: rockwall (Oct 20, 2011 10:57AM)
I don't know who it was but I'll bet he sounded drunk at the time!
Message: Posted by: Magnus Eisengrim (Oct 20, 2011 11:26AM)
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On 2011-10-20 07:27, Woland wrote:
[url=http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/280604]Conrad Black thinks so.[/url] Of course, he does have a personal beef . . .

[quote]The larger point is that the entire American justice system is crumbling. The country has nearly 48 million people with a criminal record; it has half the lawyers and a quarter of the incarcerated people in the world, and annual legal costs almost as large as the GDP of India. Congress is stuffed with second-rate lawyers who pass grandstanding laws that clutter the courts with what other serious jurisdictions would consider frivolous and vexatious litigation, and the benches are infested with unregenerate ex-prosecutors.

The executive is led about in these matters by an out-of-control prosecutocracy that is an unaccountable state within a state. I had hoped that when the prosecutors wrongly took down the vice presidentís chief of staff and then destroyed the career of a long-serving senator (Ted Stevens) on the basis of what was soon admitted to be sleazy evidentiary practices, and was reversed, the Congress, the judiciary, and even the more sensible elements of the administration would apply some checks and balances. It hasnít happened; the prosecutors win over 90 percent of their cases, almost 90 percent of the time by negotiation, because of the fascistic permutation of the plea bargain into the extortion or subornation of incriminating perjury, and the threat of a much heavier sentence if the constitutionally guaranteed right to a trial is exercised.

All legally informed persons in this country, including Shannen Coffin and the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court, know all this. If a brilliant, righteous, and fearless justice like Antonin Scalia is going to rail against co-educational college dormitories while lawless prosecutors are running amok throughout the land, it is indeed, time to pray, and not just for the coeds, the unborn, and the denizens of death row.

The antics of spear-carrying cheerleaders of the foundering system, like Shannen Coffin, will count for little in this reckoning. But the Supreme Court is constantly petitioned to restore the Bill of Rights, which is almost the entire basis of the (now rather ragged) claim of America to be the land of the free. The Supreme Court is the guardian, interpreter, and ultimate imposing authority of the Constitution. The whole country has a right to know where the Court has been while the Bill of Rights has been put to the shredder. The future of the United States as a center of the rule of law depends on its restoration.[/quote]
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Did he write that from his prison cell?
Message: Posted by: Woland (Oct 20, 2011 11:55AM)
Not sure if he is back behind bars yet. But at least if the other thread is to be believed, white collar convicts don't have it that bad.
Message: Posted by: Kevin Ridgeway (Oct 20, 2011 12:01PM)
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On 2011-10-20 10:20, critter wrote:
Which comedian said that you can't say "judicial system" without sounding drunk?
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It was Dana Carvey. Hilarious routine about the O.J. trial.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Oct 20, 2011 12:42PM)
Not many will be going to prison soon as there will be soon nothing left to steal.