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Topic: Do I need to be a genius.
Message: Posted by: Gypsyprince12 (Nov 24, 2011 02:45PM)
I have an IQ test score of 89. I was coming off of large doeses of anti-depressants at the time of the test.If I took it now it might be a tad bit higher,. :)

Will my IQ get in the way of performing for people with very high IQ scores?
Message: Posted by: Deadsets (Nov 24, 2011 03:57PM)
Are you serious? This is a very odd question. IQ has very little to do with entertainment, although you need a level of intellegnce to enable you to be entertaining.

Your audiences IQ should have nothing to do with it.

Your not serious are you??

DS
Message: Posted by: SmithMagicMan (Nov 24, 2011 05:12PM)
I'm not dumb, but I'm not supremely clever, and I've got a few friends with extremely high IQ's, and they're often the most stumped by my tricks, as they often are too logical and can't find an explanation for these wonderful events, so IQ doesn't have a massive impact on anything(:
Message: Posted by: Kozzi (Nov 24, 2011 05:27PM)
I have a formula that I was taught in uni and like to teach to my high school students...

IQ < CQ + PQ

In short, Intelligence Quotient is never more beneficial than the combination of Curiosity Quotient + Passion Quotient.

Take your maths genius for example: they have an amazingly high intelligence but ask them to analyse a film and they'll falter. Why? Because they are neither interested, nor passionate, about film.

The same logic can be extended to your circumstance in magic. You say you're not a genius... no worries. If you are curious to learn as much as you can, and passionate enough to practice and dedicate yourself to this art, then you'll be fine.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Nov 24, 2011 05:54PM)
I've performed for groups of doctors many times. I assume that they have high IQ's, but there's no way of knowing. They are totally fooled and very entertained by my magic.

If you're smart enough to learn a trick and practice it until you're proficient, you'll be fine. Go for it!

PS: How do you know your IQ? This is usually confidential information, not even known by the individuals taking the tests.

JIM
Message: Posted by: Gypsyprince12 (Nov 24, 2011 08:27PM)
Thanks for the replies.I just had this small thought in my mind for awhile. I'm on a streak of thinking I'm a failer at life. I'll get over it some day.

I had a psychological test done to see if I was "bipolar".
I found out about my IQ from my Doctor . It's the internet, so I'm just trying vent all of my stupid worries. I already know they are stupid and not provding me with anything good. Thank you all.

peace.
Message: Posted by: Bob Sanders (Nov 24, 2011 08:28PM)
Do I need to be a genius?

Let's hope not! It disqualifies many of us if that is true.

Jim above will tell you that if something is foolproof, I'm here to prove it!

And guess what? For the first fifty years it has worked fine for me.

Never turn a handicap into a disability. It is not required! (Read about Thomas Edison.)

Enjoy your magic.

Bob Sanders
Magic By Sander
Message: Posted by: Deadsets (Nov 24, 2011 08:54PM)
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On 2011-11-24 21:27, Gypsyprince12 wrote:
Thanks for the replies.I just had this small thought in my mind for awhile. I'm on a streak of thinking I'm a failer at life. I'll get over it some day.

I had a psychological test done to see if I was "bipolar".
I found out about my IQ from my Doctor . It's the internet, so I'm just trying vent all of my stupid worries. I already know they are stupid and not provding me with anything good. Thank you all.

peace.

[/quote]

Hey mate, I didn't mean to take the mickey out of you. You can do anything in your life if your apply yourself, but you must have some self belief. Remember you will have many failures on your way to success, its how you ride these waves that will difine you. Just keep at it.

DS
Message: Posted by: Roland Choo (Nov 24, 2011 09:05PM)
Although certain level of IQ is needed, I will agree that PQ & CQ have a greater weightage than IQ. In addition, I will think that EQ is more important as well. To achieve higher EQ, one has to be someone who loves & has interest on people.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Nov 25, 2011 12:55AM)
Common sense goes a lot farther than
being a genius my friend.
todd
Message: Posted by: djurmann (Nov 25, 2011 01:01AM)
[quote]
On 2011-11-24 21:27, Gypsyprince12 wrote:
Thanks for the replies.I just had this small thought in my mind for awhile. I'm on a streak of thinking I'm a failer at life. I'll get over it some day.

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1st IQ tests are somewhat over-rated. The test needs to be matched to the culture of the person for example. Second, intelligence is only of any use when it is applied. Third, good people skills are way more important....and can be learned. Fourth, you had the IQ enough to follow the lesson that enabled you to write the email, you'll be fine. Last..to quote the successful magicians Brynolf and Ljung "talent is over rated, hard word work is what you need".

Yours,

Danny Jurmann (PhD...blah blah blah...also over rated)
Message: Posted by: DWRackley (Nov 25, 2011 10:20AM)
Gypsypirnce, I am a genius. And it doesn’t help as much as you’d think. I was a national SIG coordinator for American Mensa a few years back, and one of the comments heard OFTEN when we were meeting new members is “Oh, another under-employed Mensan!”

What matters MUCH more is your ability to connect with people, either individually or audience wide. How are your communication skills? Can you describe what you mean in a way that is both simple and engaging?

While it’s true that some effects require mental effort (I often relate the mind to a muscle, in that it can be strengthened through exercise, OR become atrophied through disuse!) you are the one who’s in charge of what effects you perform. If something isn’t working for you, drop it and work on something that does work. (Just like anything else in Magic :) )

If you snoop around a bit you’ll find numerous threads about both professionals and amateurs who are or aren’t “good” at a certain effects. We all have our strong and our weak points. Nobody ever said you have to do it all!

As far as your audience is concerned, they just want to be entertained, and most couldn’t care less whether the “secret” is hard or easy. They’re simply looking for a bright spot in their day. Provide that, and you’re Golden!
Message: Posted by: AGMagic (Nov 25, 2011 12:36PM)
I sent a friend of mine a set of custom "Hot Rods" that I made as a thank you for buying some other items that my wife and I created. I knew that he was interested in learning some magic to show his grandchildren and that he would take the time to learn the effect properly. His grand daughters were amazed so he took the "Hot Rods" to work to show some friends. They were astounded, and being engineers, "borrowed" the "Hot Rod" to go analyze it. They couldn’t figure out how it worked, but came up with an engineer's solution to the problem that included moving magnets, a coil of wire and color changing, light emitting diodes.

Brilliant people will attempt to solve the mysteries based on their experiences and expertise. That generally makes them easier to fool. Then too, they are often just looking to be entertained and don't care how you accomplish your miracles. Children are the tough audience. Misdirection with them is more difficult. They tend to see what they see, not what they think they see.

Relax, enjoy the magic and don't over think it.
Message: Posted by: metaljohn (Nov 28, 2011 09:09AM)
I know someone who has an extremely high intelligence come up with the most ridiculous theories on how some of my tricks work. The latest being that my hot rod must work with the heat from my hands. LOL that's classic!
Message: Posted by: terrillific (Nov 28, 2011 01:42PM)
One of the easiest audiences I performed for was a group of Nuclear scientists. They were mystified at all the tricks and could not figure out how to do any of them. Even the simple tricks. The Crazy Man Handcuffs blew their circuitry.
Message: Posted by: DWRackley (Nov 28, 2011 02:46PM)
I remember an early Magic Magazine article about a young Uri Gellar, who was baffling scientists (but not magicians!) :)
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 29, 2011 07:12PM)
Magic goes by creativeness, not intelligence.
Message: Posted by: smileymcsmiley (Nov 29, 2011 07:56PM)
Just to chime in I have to agree with what everyone is saying. One of my friends is mathmatics proffessor and a has an FMAS (i think its called) in music so all round talented guy and very intelligent, however showing him triumph completely threw him and he proceeded to tell me how I did it with a really convoluted explaination which was not even close.

As long as you come across confident and have your patter and your technique down very few people are going to figure it out. THe only person who catches me out now is my wife, but then again she watched Derren Brown's 3 card routine on the Devils Picture Book and figured out almost everything he did :S
Message: Posted by: StJohn (Nov 30, 2011 08:40AM)
Most very clever people I know are not very good socially. Your charisma is far more important. Only other people can tell you if you have it so just try and see what happens!
Message: Posted by: DPWO (Dec 3, 2011 08:40PM)
Unless you are into mathemagic then it probably won't matter haha.
Message: Posted by: jasonmcconnie (Dec 6, 2011 10:15PM)
You don't need to be smart as long as you can speak well.