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Topic: Alex Elmsley's Spread Count
Message: Posted by: alexhui (Dec 9, 2011 10:52AM)
As the topic stated, could anyone kindly inform me in which page this 3-3-2-2 count is introduced in The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley? I have tried to find it but in vain...

I googled and am surprised to find that even Darwin Ortiz could not locate the exact reference...

Alex Hui
Message: Posted by: alexhui (Dec 20, 2011 12:05AM)
Anyone know the history as stated above??
Message: Posted by: Ryan Bliss (Dec 28, 2011 12:41PM)
Elmsely had many counts. Im not sure if that is his Ghost count or not.
Message: Posted by: Octopus Sun (Dec 28, 2011 01:34PM)
The Ghost Count is Elmsley's 4 card count known the Elmsley count.
Message: Posted by: Josh Chaikin (Dec 28, 2011 01:44PM)
Everchange Count? Neverchange Count? The Five-as-Five Ghost Count? All of the counts are explained within volume 1 of [i]The Collected Works of Alex Elmsley[/i], in chapter two "Spirited Counts and Relevant Tricks," pp. 19-81.

Edit:
What you're looking for may not have been originated by Elmsley, now that I think about it.
Message: Posted by: alexhui (Dec 28, 2011 07:48PM)
Thanks guys.

I am not looking for false count. Spread Count is a way to count cards quickly while the performer is spreading the cards. It is usually counted in 3-3-2-2 patterns so each count contains 10 cards.

Alex Hui
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Dec 28, 2011 09:09PM)
Alex,

Look in Volume 2, page 64.

Gary Plants
Message: Posted by: Denis Behr (Dec 29, 2011 10:51AM)
Gary, the mention there seems to be too unspecific to read out the 3-3-2-2 pattern, which is so useful. I've been looking for this as well and begin to think that it isn't in the books at all?!...

In [i]Card College 3[/i] on top of page 511 it says without further credits: "Roger Klause teaches a useful counting procedure for a long run of cards, which I believe he credits to Alex Elmsley: Counting the cards in subgroups of 3-3-3-1 will allow you to quickly trick the cards ten at a time."
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Dec 29, 2011 01:04PM)
Denis,

Alex wanted a reference to counting the cards off in clumps of 3's and 2's. This is the only place this is mentioned in the two books.

This seems pretty clear to me...

".....but if you choose to do this it is better to push the cards off in twos and threes when counting, expediting the process while disguising your precise halving of the deck."
Message: Posted by: Denis Behr (Dec 29, 2011 04:15PM)
Well, the beauty of the 3322 rhythm is that one doesn't need to think to count off 20 cards with ease while pattering. Just do two groups: 3322 3322. That's very reliable and casual.

The description that says to push off cards "in twos and threes" could also be: 2323223332332... It's not the specific decimal concept that makes 3322 work so the performer can take his mind off the counting procedure.
Message: Posted by: Gary Plants (Dec 29, 2011 05:17PM)
But the rhythm could just as easily be 2233 2233 and you still have the same rhythm. The beautiful idea is counting cards in groups...be it 2233 2233 or 3322 3322 or 2323 2323. Counting the same each time is what makes it easy to talk and count. As long as you count the same each time is what makes it work (IMHO).
Message: Posted by: Denis Behr (Dec 29, 2011 06:15PM)
What I was trying to say is that there is no mention of the number ten. But that's the main idea and can only be deduced from the sentence with quite a stretch.

(Counting in groups is published also on page 181, or earlier in Vernon Chronicles 2, page 124.)
Message: Posted by: Kingman (Dec 31, 2011 08:19AM)
Your post intrigued me so I went through both books and could not find what you described. I am familiar with it, but maybe it was in another book or on a lecture? I will have to watch my Tahoe Sessions to see if he mentions it there. I might have learned about it from Darwin.

Kingman
Message: Posted by: Ryan Bliss (Dec 31, 2011 12:19PM)
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On 2011-12-28 14:34, Duaut wrote:
The Ghost Count is Elmsley's 4 card count known the Elmsley count.
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Sorry, you are right, I was thinking of his Everchange count.