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Topic: Cigar Magic
Message: Posted by: lperna (Sep 13, 2003 02:02PM)
Has anybody ever run across any sources for doing close-up magic using lit, real, cigars?
Message: Posted by: Bill Citino (Sep 13, 2003 05:12PM)
Haven't really run across anyone who does cigar magic, however you could probably modify some cigarette moves and apply them to cigars. I'd imagine that they all would work. Hope this helps.

-Bill
Message: Posted by: Darrin Cook (Sep 13, 2003 11:17PM)
Carney does a routine with dummy cigars in his [i]Book of Secrets[/i]. Maybe that would give you ideas.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Sep 14, 2003 12:17AM)
Yeah, the routine that Carney and a few other guys do is one of my favorites. It uses wooden cigars instead of real ones. John Rogers at http://www.woodencigars.com makes them in "lit" and "unlit" versions. I have both types. I think that you'd be hard pressed to find a finer set of wooden cigars (most routines of the Leipzig-Hunter variety use two cigars). You can find more information in [i]Dai Vernon's Tribute to Leipzig[/i] book from L&L Publishing. :)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Sep 14, 2003 12:22AM)
It would be very cool to do the Leipzig routine with lit cigars... maybe do something with the smoke like Peter Samulson did too.
Message: Posted by: lperna (Sep 14, 2003 07:45AM)
Thanks guys, I'll look into the cigarette routines, as well as the Leipzig stuff. Maybe I can work in a switch from a real cigar to one of those wooden ones.
Message: Posted by: Justin R (Sep 15, 2003 01:08AM)
I hear former President Clinton used to do a pretty good cigar trick.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Sep 16, 2003 12:48AM)
Yeah, but it wasn't lit...
Message: Posted by: Paul Chosse (Sep 19, 2003 11:03AM)
Jack Chanin wrote a whole book on Cigar magic and manipulations. I think it was cleverly titled something like "Cigar Magic".

Most of the information in Kieth Clarks "Cigarette Magic" is applicable to cigars. Also, consider any of the CC Knife material. It is surprising how much of that material is also applicable to manipulation of like-sized objects...

The GW Hunter Multiplying Cigars is good, The Liepzig Routine has already been mentioned, and there are many versions of it. Carl Sten had a wonderful method of doing the Multiplying Cigars that appeared in a Genii, either on its own or in a Magicana, I can't recall at this point, but I do have the article.

I think there is some material in "The Magic of The Hands" series, by Edward Victor, can anyone confirm my failing memory?

I'm sure I'll remember other sources as I think about it, and I'll post them as they occur to me...

Best, PSC
Message: Posted by: cubreporter (Sep 22, 2003 02:43AM)
Yes Paul, there is a bit about cigar manip in the Edward Victor books, all three. I just looked them up in the E.V. books that I received from you, long ago!
Warmly,
Tim
Message: Posted by: shane_delon (Sep 24, 2003 04:13PM)
I second the http://www.woodencigars.com reply. John not only makes great wooden cigars, but also has a set of lecture notes with most of his cigar magic in it with clear demonstrations, etc. Great stuff...
Message: Posted by: Ricahato (Oct 3, 2003 11:14PM)
I saw teller do a routine on one of the B.S. shows and it was pretty cool. check it out!
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Oct 4, 2003 03:27AM)
John Rogers' wooden cigars are so realistic, it's scary. The lit ones really look lit, closeup.
Message: Posted by: David Le (Oct 12, 2003 04:30AM)
I'm about to receive the book NOW YOU SEE IT NOW YOU DON'T... it's a book for beginners. but from what I already know about it, it has cigar manipulations ;)

and my friend, from far away who already had the book for a long time says the cigar sleights can be applied for golf pencils ;)
Message: Posted by: Hernan (Oct 18, 2003 03:10AM)
I may be wrong but, In order to multiply the cigar you would have to touch the 'cherry'.

I also recommend checking out woodencigars.com.

If you email him directly he may tell you why you wooden smoke (his joke).

I think you might begin to accept that wood is good.
(wood with a magnet is better)

He believe his own act is better than John Carneys.

John Carney is about to go on tour. You may get to talk to him yourself.
Message: Posted by: Mitch Schneiter (Oct 21, 2003 01:43AM)
The new issue of Genii, November 2003, contains a cigar effect by Jim Steinmeyer titled "Smoke and Fire". A borrowed signed bill is accidentally burned, but ends up rolled in the middle of the tobacco in the center of a cigar which has been smoked throughout the routine.

Gary Kurtz has a bill in cigar routine titled "Cigar" in his book "Unexplainable Acts".

Chris Kenner's "Totally Out of Control" contains the effect "Into the Woods", Chris's version of Nate Leipzig's classic cigars and purse routine.

Takeshi Nemoto also has a version of Leipzig's
cigar and purse routine in Nemoto's book "Tokyo Trickery".

In "Simply Harkey" David Harkey has an effect titled "Havana Gold" in which he slides a cigar band off a cigar and it changes into a borrowed finger ring.

Just a note about the above post: Only Steinmeyer's effect actually uses a lit cigar. The rest of the listed routines use unlit cigars.
Message: Posted by: Carron (Oct 29, 2003 10:17AM)
Would it be possible to get John Rogers to make up a s***l cigar for multiplying cigars???

Tom McCarron
Message: Posted by: Alan Munro (Nov 5, 2003 01:11AM)
[quote]
On 2003-10-29 11:17, Tom McCarron wrote:
Would it be possible to get John Rogers to make up a s***l cigar for multiplying cigars???
[/quote]
I guess you'd have to email him to find out.
Message: Posted by: mecki (Nov 10, 2003 02:41PM)
Has anybody found a source for the tiny purses John Carney uses in his routine?

I've been checking flea-markets all over without much success. I made up the cigars by myself and they look quite good. I especially like the idea of using a little circle of black sandpaper to get a better grip on the end.
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Nov 10, 2003 08:01PM)
Dr. Rubinstein (the coin expert from New York who is a member on TMC) had some nice purses similar to the ones that Carney uses. I bought a couple of sets from him not too long ago. They are made of quality leather from Italy. He may still have a few sets left. A search should turn up the thread with his contact info.
Message: Posted by: mecki (Nov 12, 2003 03:40PM)
Thank you, MJ Marrs!
I will check it out.
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 14, 2003 03:31AM)
[quote]
On 2003-10-12 05:30, David Le wrote:
I'm about to receive the book NOW YOU SEE IT NOW YOU DON'T... it's a book for beginners. but from what I already know about it, it has cigar manipulations ;)

and my friend, from far away who already had the book for a long time says the cigar sleights can be applied for golf pencils ;)
[/quote]

Dave,

The book really has routines you use for cigarettes, not cigars. A good place to get wooden cigarettes is Rogers (mentioned above).
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Nov 25, 2003 07:59PM)
Didn't John Racherbaumer have a book out just a few years ago on cigars?

I have found a source for the tiny purses. I hope to have a site up and going soon, and hopefully have some for sale soon.

I have a very small one that's just right for the wooden cigar routine. And one just a little bit bigger.

Anyone interested in seeing a pic of them PM me or email me at mystre71@aol.com with your email and I'll send out the pic.

Best
Joe
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Nov 26, 2003 03:02PM)
There's a chapter on cigarette & cigar manipulation in [i]Greater Magic[/i]. Almost all cigarettes actually, but many moves can be adapted for cigars.
Message: Posted by: jasonchr (Nov 26, 2003 08:15PM)
Eric DeCamps has a very nice routine with unlit cigars in his lecture notes, "Compositions of Conjuring"...

Jason
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Nov 26, 2003 09:19PM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-25 20:59, mystre71 wrote:
Did't John Racherbaumer have a book out just a few years ago on cigars?
[/quote]

You're probably thinking of the "Amazing Cigar Book" by Giovanni Livera and Jon Racherbaumer.

Larry
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Nov 26, 2003 09:43PM)
Larry, jasonchr, thanks for the info.

Do either of you know where I can get the book and notes?

Thanks again
Joe
Message: Posted by: Larry Davidson (Nov 27, 2003 05:38AM)
The book by Livera and Racherbaumer is available at http://www.magiclegends.com and I'm not sure where you can find the lecture notes but you might try Denny & Lee's Magic Studio (call 1-888-207-8374).

Larry
Message: Posted by: cheesewrestler (Nov 29, 2003 04:16PM)
Stevens has "The Amazing Cigar Book" too.
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Dec 4, 2003 10:48PM)
Anyone looking for the small coin purse like John Carney and Chris Kenner use for their wooden cigar routine? You know, The ones really hard to find.

Joe
Message: Posted by: shane_delon (Dec 17, 2003 02:56PM)
I'll second a vote for John Rogers' Cigars as well as his lecture notes on Cigar magic. All can be attained from his web site:

http://www.woodencigars.com

His cigars and cigarettes look unbelievably real!

sd
Message: Posted by: mystre71 (Jul 13, 2005 05:00PM)
I just finsihed the work on "MicroEconomices (A small Collection of BIG Routines and Ideas for a Tiny Purse)". It has a chapter on wooden cigars, as well as some on coins,bills,fingers and even live mice.Included with the book is two velveteen Micro Purses. Leather ones coming soon. If you're interested click the link below.

Thanks,
Joe
Message: Posted by: Danny Archer (Aug 18, 2005 04:48PM)
... no one mentioned Caveney's Bill in Cigar routine from Magicomedy .. so I will ...
Message: Posted by: Big Daddy Cool (Oct 8, 2008 10:01AM)
I love Rogers' cigars, although I currently use Alren Studio's Multiplying Cigars set. It a great set, and really versitle. It comes with a full close-up routine.