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Topic: HBO's Carnival (your thoughts)
Message: Posted by: zeroG (Sep 15, 2003 08:55AM)
Did anyone see this last night? Just wanted to start a thread and get your feelings about the series.

I enjoyed it. I especially liked the opening title sequence. Very Terry Gilliam with a modern touch.
I don't know if the series is going to be another Sopranos but I'll give it a few weeks.
Message: Posted by: Payne (Sep 15, 2003 10:11AM)
I too enjoyed it and have high hopes for it. Very nice setup with great possibilities. I will be watching it again next week.
Message: Posted by: daminfell (Sep 16, 2003 06:24PM)
I'm not familiar with Carnival but it sounds pretty interesting. Can you elaborate on it?
Message: Posted by: zeroG (Sep 17, 2003 08:02AM)
Here is a link for more info:

http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/?ntrack_para1=feat_main_image

They even have custom Tarot Cards! Talk about ca$hing in!
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Sep 17, 2003 10:17AM)
Man, I wish I had HBO. I'll have to wait a year or so before they release the whole season on DVD.

*sigh*
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 17, 2003 04:43PM)
I liked it a lot. The set up was interesting with the minister and jack and the dreams...like what is to come? or was?
Also--what do you think was when he healed the girl, all that browness the earth and plants became?
Weird.
Anyway--anything carnival/sideshow-like--I'm there!

Ellen
Message: Posted by: daminfell (Sep 17, 2003 07:40PM)
Thanks zeroG
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Sep 18, 2003 12:44PM)
I thought this was a GREAT show! Although it won't have mass appeal like the Supranos. People can only handle so much odd or bizzarre things. I pray it gets a 'cult' following so it doesn't get cancelled.

Chad
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 20, 2003 05:28PM)
That's the whole point though--no matter who people are--many have a curiosity for the weird, bizarre and unknown. It's TABOO--but people WANT to know.
Look at 6 feet under--VERY popular--and it's about a funeral home--not many people like seeing them or hearing stories about them. Freaks and human oddities are another. Let's see how this one goes!

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Mina (Sep 20, 2003 10:47PM)
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On 2003-09-17 11:17, Firedice27 wrote:
Man, I wish I had HBO. I'll have to wait a year or so before they release the whole season on DVD.

*sigh*
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Firedice27...I have some good news! If you are like me and you do not get HBO... Carnivale can be viewed on TMN (The Movie Network) On Tuesday nights... I m not sure of the time though...I ll check it out and get back to you if you are intersted :)
[quote]
On 2003-09-18 13:44, Chad Sanborn wrote:
I thought this was a GREAT show! Although it won't have mass appeal like the Supranos. People can only handle so much odd or bizzarre things. I pray it gets a 'cult' following so it doesn't get cancelled.

Chad
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Well speak for yourself Mr ;) I can handle a whole lotta freakyness and bizarre! But maybe that's just me :bg:

Speaking of things freaky and bizzare...If you are lucky enough to live in Toronto On Oct 22 Carnival Diablo will be perfoming. For those of you who enjoy The strange and wonderful like I do...It is a must see. For more Info check out http://www.carnivaldiablo.com

I hope everyone enjoys The Carnivale

Mina
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Sep 21, 2003 12:28AM)
Hereís my first impression of ďCarnivale.Ē I am probably the least qualified person to be a critic, but I think, if they keep it at the same level, itís a winner! I was surprised at the intensity, and the feeling of reality at the beginning, and was led into the story almost hypnotically. The period was close enough to my own to let me relate to it. When a story grows slowly, usually it loses me, but the underplayed events kept me hooked. The old carnivals always seemed to have a dark underside, real or imagined, and the story uses that to itís best advantage. I had the advantage of having a perfectly edited copy, sent to me by a friend, (I donít have HBO) and I am grateful.
Message: Posted by: Reis O'Brien (Sep 21, 2003 10:49AM)
Well I just can't win! I don't have TMN either!

But thanks for the link to Carnival Diablo, Mina. This looks incredible! We need something like this in Chicago.
Message: Posted by: Anabelle (Sep 22, 2003 09:03AM)
I watched this show last night at a friend's house (I don't have HBO either) and I thought it was very interesting and weird. I would love to see more and I agree I don't think it'll be super famous. I hope to watch it again soon.

Anabelle :giving:
Message: Posted by: ELS (Sep 22, 2003 09:57AM)
I have not missed a broadcast yet. My dad who I never met (divorced before I was born), was a lifetime Carny
and my mom, well she had to move on to a normal life.

So what I'm picking up or figuring out is, the young guy they picked up has good powers (healing) and the Rev, is the evil one? But the show is doing a good job of taking you along for the ride and slowly showing you what is going on.

I believe the young guy's dad, is the management the
midget talks about, and originally had the powers that were passed on to his son, if you caught the part where the son was told his mother was dead (as far as the Carnies knew).

Ed
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Sep 22, 2003 02:43PM)
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On 2003-09-22 10:57, ELS wrote:
So what I'm picking up or figuring out is, the young guy they picked up has good powers (healing) and the Rev, is the evil one?

I believe the young guy's dad, is the management the
midget talks about, and originally had the powers that were passed on to his son, if you caught the part where the son was told his mother was dead (as far as the Carnies knew).
Ed
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They said his dad was the "gentleman geek" so I do not believe he is management. I do think the two soldiers are the previous generation's "light" and "dark."

As for who is "good" and who isn't, it is interesting to see (and see more later) the "price" of Ben's gift.

s
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 22, 2003 03:54PM)
Let's get philosophical!
Actually I thought he buried his mom at the beginning. Do you mean that new pic was his mom before she died? Also--how did Appolonia get up and walk without him touching her?
Where did that mysterious trailor come from (baggage car?)
And--the boss (does he live in samson's trailer?)
Also "he's a roux?" What's a roux?

I love this show--but it's so deeply woven. It will be great (it is now!)

I agree about the 2 soldiers--light and dark.

Also--here's a question for carny folk who know or have an opinion. Aren't these actors a little too "hollywood" for hard-workin distraught carnies and "freaks"?
http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/cast/index.shtml

Ellen
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Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Sep 22, 2003 07:49PM)
I don't see the actors as being too hollywood. They (mostly) look as we did in the forties and fifties. That's one of the things I like about the show.
Slim
Message: Posted by: Bill (Sep 22, 2003 09:09PM)
I watched it last night. Ahhhhhhh I don't know. I think when a series has that many things that don't make sense, then you're going to loose your audience. It's like nothing makes sense so far. There's nothing big to focus on, just a lot of little stupid things that make you say "huh"? Try to describe what happened to a friend who hasn't seen it. You can't because nothing's logical. I think I've probably watched my last show. :confused: :confused: :confused:
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Sep 22, 2003 11:11PM)
HAve you ever read Catch 22? Literally nothing comes together until the last page! It was a classic! You have a right to demand simplicity, but I think life is more..
Slim
Message: Posted by: MisterE21 (Sep 23, 2003 03:08AM)
See, and me, I prefer all the dark undertones, the layered story and the confusing twists. It's what will keep me tuning in. I think enough information has been given to begin forming beliefs (although I don't necessarily believe those beliefs will be proven accurate...)

I, actually, didn't think that Apollonia's walking was a result of his healing powers...I don't really know how to explain how I percieve that particular incident. I am expecting, however, that at some point he does try and use those powers with her (I mean, why else is she dogging her daughter about getting him back in the trailer?)
Message: Posted by: Mina (Sep 23, 2003 05:13PM)
All I can say is I cant wait to see the next episode!!!!

Mina
Message: Posted by: Bill (Sep 23, 2003 07:54PM)
[quote]
On 2003-09-23 00:11, sanscan wrote:
HAve you ever read Catch 22? Literally nothing comes together until the last page! It was a classic! You have a right to demand simplicity, but I think life is more..
Slim
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Not simplicity, just something that's sensible! :rotf:
Message: Posted by: ELS (Sep 23, 2003 09:07PM)
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On 2003-09-22 16:54, Ellen wrote:
Let's get philosophical!
Actually I thought he buried his mom at the beginning. Do you mean that new pic was his mom before she died? Also--how did Appolonia get up and walk without him touching her?
Where did that mysterious trailor come from (baggage car?)
And--the boss (does he live in samson's trailer?)
Also "he's a roux?" What's a roux?

I love this show--but it's so deeply woven. It will be great (it is now!)

I agree about the 2 soldiers--light and dark.

Also--here's a question for carny folk who know or have an opinion. Aren't these actors a little too "hollywood" for hard-workin distraught carnies and "freaks"?
http://www.hbo.com/carnivale/cast/index.shtml

Ellen
:clown:
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Hi Ellen,
If I'm guessing right (as I spent 10 yrs pro-wrestling with it's own way of lingo), I see a roux as being someone not knowing the business or is new. We'd say or yell Ka-Feh when someone walked in the dressing room that was a mark. Ka-Feh meaning careful / shut up.

The kid did bury his mother, but how did the management know to show up when the kid was digging the hole? The photo was an old photo of the mother that the kid found in the baggage car, the baggage car was like 'a ghost' type of thing that only the kid, was ment to see, it used to be his fathers (the clothing, the photo etc..).

Appolonia knows of this kids powers, if you remember she walked toward him all crippled up (if she could make or will things to fly in the trailer, willing her self to walk, to be cured by him shold be easy), once she touched him, she fell limp in his arms (no longer stiff and crippled).

I still say we will find the boss being the kids father, and the father had the powers also and that's why the kids mother was still alive (remember the kid was told that the woman died and was the geeks wife). More then likely the father healed her but put her were no one would know or find out.

Also I feel that's why the kid is allowed to stay on and management wants him to, for the fact management is his father (who was the geek and dissapeared, and yet it seems only a select few know who management / boss is or seen him).

But it would not surprise me if it's (the boos), a head in a bottle. As we did see the baby in the bottle 'open it's eyes', as the kid walked out the door. :wow:

And in reality - carnival people enjoy the life, to them it's enjoyable (facts from my mother), for you and me we would be hard-workin distraught carnies. Plus freaks were taken pretty good care of back then and respected by management who gave them respect, it was society that treated them as freaks, so the freaks cashed in on it.

Ed :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 23, 2003 10:50PM)
I'll take your word Slim, about them looking genuine since you know. Maybe I mean not what they are wearing--and the set-(being period 30's)-I guess they didn't seem "worn" enough maybe for traveling and just doing what they do. Even the dirt on them looks clean.

So--Ed, you mean the pickled punk might be the "boss"?

I really enjoy this show.

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Sep 24, 2003 01:57AM)
Ellen, 1934 was a bit early for me, I started with the shows about 1949, but I can tell you that then, a place to do laundry and take some sort of a bath was the first priority on a lot. (It might just be a spigot in some places) While the life was rough, it was a life where no one really thought we were working, it was just life. You might like to read the stories here...
http://www.knddesign.com/sc/home.html
Message: Posted by: jennieprice (Sep 24, 2003 12:19PM)
From what I've read, for the 'freaks' it was really the only way to make money. Either that or be hidden away.
Anyhow, I personaly like a story to be layered with twists. The little things will add up and in the end, may well surprise us. If it was spelled out, like to many stories are, it would lose a lot. Do people really want the story dumbed down so you don't have to think about it? :worry:

Jennieprice
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 24, 2003 03:01PM)
Thanks for the link slim--I will read your stories--I see you have quite a few under the good old days...

Can't wait!

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Slim Price (Sep 24, 2003 07:56PM)
I'm not the only one with stories there, either... I just wish more of the old stories would come to light. There are several there, written better than mine... Just for data, my mother was a palm-reader in the days of "Carnivale.
Slim :readingbook:
Message: Posted by: James Harrison (Sep 29, 2003 08:16AM)
I still have to see the first one. (no HBO :bawl: )


Hey Mina, can I come over and watch it at your house? (I get none of the good channels)
Message: Posted by: boblinds (Sep 29, 2003 12:39PM)
A small correction. The term isn't roux, it's "rube."

http://myweb.ecomplanet.com/WYAN4220/mycustompage0003.htm#P-S

A disrepectful term for townies, the locals.

I'm also enjoying the show and particularly for the presence of Michael Anderson who brings a great "center" to the show.
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Sep 29, 2003 05:04PM)
It's getting good!!! Anybody see last night's?
I knew it was his dad--or so we think. Also--that explains with the wheat turning brown after he healed the girl.

Can't wait for the next.

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Mina (Sep 30, 2003 02:34PM)
Hey James!!

You wanna come over at watch Carnivale at my place....Hummm I don t know....Let me think about it a second...................................
Ahh what the heck, sure come over, You bring the corn dogs and candy apples and I'll make sure we have the channel in clear and the Cotton Candy!!!! Bring on The Carnivale

The Countessa

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