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Topic: Seance piece and grand illusion... Spooky effect...
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 15, 2003 10:44AM)
As you're performing a seance type of routine while summoning "the dead" as it may, do this...

Hold everyone's hands around the table... The room lights go out slowly except the one above the table, so all around the room (or stage), it's completely dark...

Invoke the "spirits"...

When the lights slowly come back on... The table is now surrounded by people... All standing still, saying nothing... (They're supposed to be the "spirits" manifested... Just in case you don't get it...)

Talk to them or what have you... (Don't let go of volunteer's hands though...)

At the end of the routine, they all vanish (or rather "went back to where they came from"...)

Whaddaya think?

Anyone ever tried something like this? :worry:

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Message: Posted by: ChrisZampese (Sep 16, 2003 11:49PM)
Hmmm, with good costumes and makeup, this could be very very effective.

How about having the lights go off, then everyone feels a hand on their shoulder, the lights flash breifly once or twice so everyone can see this mysterious circle of visitors, then when the lights come back on they are no longer there?

Something like this would give me a bit of a stir!!
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 17, 2003 07:07AM)
I know I'd like to see it performed!

Plus, the audience will have that nagging feeling after it's done of "How do we know that wasn't REAL?"

Even if you TELL them it was just an illusion, imo they will still feel this way...




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Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Sep 17, 2003 08:49AM)
Forgive me, but it sounds very stagey to me. I don't believe the audience will wonder whether it's real; they're more likely to analyze the costume and makeup.

However, I do agree that being surrounded by "ghouls" could be initimidating in the context of a Halloween Haunted House thrill event. I just don't think it has any place within the seriousness of a seance. Instead, have your seance circle feel the presence of spirits around them through the use of suggestion: the things in your sitters' minds are far scarier than anything you could fabricate.
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Sep 17, 2003 09:48AM)
I do see the point you're putting forth Necromancer however I humbly disagree...

I can only describe the effect by referring to imagery from horror movies such as "The Sixth Sense" and "The Others"... That imagery brought to life in a less dramatic way than Copperfield's "Haunted House/Spirits" Illusion would be chilling imho...

No flashy lighting, no well-timed pyro, no well-timed soundtrack... This presentation would "look" as it would "if it really happened", imho...

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Message: Posted by: Tspall (Sep 18, 2003 09:56AM)
A variation of this could be to have curtains surrounding the room, along the walls. If a person is standing in a doorway covered by the curtain and shine a small flashlight up under his face, his face willl "appear" from behind the curtain. Doing this for a brief period could startle the guests by having them see "faces" along the walls of the room, especially if it's dark.
Message: Posted by: illusioneer (Sep 18, 2003 03:26PM)
I agree...this sounds VERY "Sixth Sense". But I like it. Possibly, play with corridors or hallways. Have distant spirits approach the table. (Whilethe performer is obviously oblivious to the happenings.) You could create a PG effect colorwise with blacklights. For the vanish, this allows you to use Black Art since the corridor will be a distance away from the visitors. This way the guests cannot analyze costumes or make up.
Message: Posted by: Necromancer (Sep 18, 2003 03:59PM)
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On 2003-09-18 10:56, Tspall wrote:
A variation of this could be to have curtains surrounding the room, along the walls. If a person is standing in a doorway covered by the curtain and shine a small flashlight up under his face, his face willl "appear" from behind the curtain. Doing this for a brief period could startle the guests by having them see "faces" along the walls of the room, especially if it's dark.

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That's funny, I was just thinking how nicely one-way mirrors or semi-solid walls or other items requiring heavy construction could make the effect less obvious. Curtains are even better (and far less expensive).

But you see why Tspall's idea is working? These are flickering glimpses rather than solid humans (which, while they work in the movies, are perceived differently in real life). Again, subtlety is key.
Message: Posted by: IllusionJack (Sep 18, 2003 11:32PM)
This got me thinking - I think it's a cool idea. To have someone appear, just for a moment, then be gone again. I think a spooky one would be to have a little girl appear standing on the table in the center of the room... just for a flash or two of light, then be gone again...

--Jack :pepsi:
Message: Posted by: the levitator (Sep 19, 2003 12:19AM)
We were practicing different configurations for a Pepper's Ghost for Halloween at our house in late Septamber of last year, and one night when it was set up in our hallway, we did an impromptu spook show for some friends of some friends. Just a simple ghost story with a Ouija Board and some Tarot Cards. Then, cue the spectre for like 5 seconds, and my friends ran out of our front door! Two of them wouldn't even come back in our house. I think the fact that it didn't look like a regular person just standing there, and it was only for like 5 seconds, contributed to the believeability of it. I think it's a good idea, but like Necromancer said, it would be hard to make it as believeable with regluar people standing there, especially for long periods of time.
Message: Posted by: ELS (Sep 22, 2003 01:07AM)
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On 2003-09-15 11:44, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
As you're performing a seance type of routine while summoning "the dead" as it may, do this...

Hold everyone's hands around the table... The room lights go out slowly except the one above the table, so all around the room (or stage), it's completely dark...

Invoke the "spirits"...

When the lights slowly come back on... The table is now surrounded by people... All standing still, saying nothing... (They're supposed to be the "spirits" manifested... Just in case you don't get it...)

Talk to them or what have you... (Don't let go of volunteer's hands though...)

At the end of the routine, they all vanish (or rather "went back to where they came from"...)

Whaddaya think?

Anyone ever tried something like this? :worry:

:online:
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Hmmm - Why turn the lights on again at all,
matter of fact shut them off totally. I'm sitting here now with just the computer on and no lights, it's 1 am in the morning, so no sun light either, and I'm looking off
into the darkness and I would think a hand placed on my shoulder right now, would stop my heart.

Keep it simple. Their mind will create the fear if you feed their minds.

Ed :wavey:
Message: Posted by: Kenn Capman (Sep 22, 2003 11:00AM)
One of the most valuable lessons I have ever learned (i.e. never dawned on me of my own volition) in doing seance work was from reading Eugene Burger's "Spirit Theater."

The same sentiment has been echoed by other respected practicioners of this dark and delicate craft.

The real secret is; less is more.

Always.

Less is more.

Don't give the audience a special effect when they've paid to see spirit manifestations and vice-versa.

Just my 'anticipating another year of halloween burnout' two cents worth.
Message: Posted by: shrink (Oct 7, 2003 07:23PM)
In "Seance" the collection of the seance publication one good idea is to set up many subtle things that happen while you tell your story. For example one of the things you can do is make holes in your candles and pour glue in them. When the candle burns down is fizzes and spurts for a few seconds when it gets to the glue then goes back to normal. Of course you pretend not to notice anything. Setting up a lot of subtle things like this leaves the rest to the imagination of the sitters.
Message: Posted by: ELS (Oct 7, 2003 09:01PM)
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On 2003-10-07 20:23, shrink wrote:
In "Seance" the collection of the seance publication one good idea is to set up many ssubtle things that happen while you tell your story. For example one of the things you can do is make holes in your candles and pour glue in them. When the candle burns down is fizzes and spurts for a few seconds when it gets to the glue then goes back to normal. Of course you pretend not to notice anything. setting up a lot of subtle things like this leaves the rest to the imagination of the sitters.
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Hi Shrink,

Neat little effect, use regular white glue?
and do you do it from the side and go all the way through the candle?

Thanks again

Ed :wavey:
Message: Posted by: ventman (Oct 7, 2003 10:40PM)
To do the candle effect, you need to use rubber cement I believe. Then you seal the hole with wax so the cement won't dry out.
Coldthorn
Message: Posted by: Pakar Ilusi (Oct 10, 2003 01:15PM)
Great replies everyone... Thanks for the thoughts! :wavey:


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