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Topic: Me performing sub trunk
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 8, 2012 06:17PM)
Heres my performance of the subtrunk. Please feel free to criticize me, it helps greatly, thank you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p1nU-MjAiI
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Jan 8, 2012 07:42PM)
Very, Very Nice! You and Olivia are doing a very good job and performing very smoothly. I especially liked the transition at the climatic moment of your re-appearance when the curtain drops...very smooth, very natural.

OK..now for the criticism that you want! Because I understand you are to be performing this in competition and you would like to be very professional and to shine!!

--Luke, it's not just you performing! You are in the sub-trunk and "off stage" in about 18 seconds. You are out of sight of the audience for a major portion of the routine and you do not reappear until a minute later. The performance lasts only about two minutes. So, remember...It is "Our" performance...not "My" performance...<wink!> Your assistant is playing a major role here and she is on-stage nearly as long as you are. (Go Olivia!)

--That being said, try to match the energy that you provide and the energy that Olivia provides to the show so that the pace and feel of the performance remains consistent throughout. One of you should not out shine the other...you should totally complement each other.

--Luke, you have time at the beginning of the Illusion to really make a big entrance and open the act. Introduce your assistant, point out all of the props to the audience, etc. Build major drama before you actually begin performing the illusion. Not sure if you will be performing silent or using patter. If you will be performing silent, it would be nice to see you pantomine a "patter" to show the trunk is solid, the rope is real, the hasps are secure, there are three (count 'em, 3!) serious locks and one very special key! Before you enter the trunk, you could gesture to Olivia, thump your chest once, gesture a pointed finger to the air, gesture to the inside of the cabinet, return your hand to your chest and bow head momentarily....and then ... go! (meaning: And now My Assistant Olivia will place Me, The Great Luke!, inside this cabinet..at great personal peril!)

--Put the key away somewhere...tied up in a velvet bag perhaps and hang it off to the side on a stand or hand it to an audience member to hold.

--Olivia, take some time at each of the locks to stop, pose, smile at the audience, and with a big gesture show the lock up high, pause, place the lock, pose again and then move onto the next lock. After all three locks are secure, jump on the trunk, stand tall and strike a pose, THEN...reach down grab the curtain and bring it up.

--Luke, make sure the curtain is pre-set well ahead of time for Olivia and will not be dificult for her to bring up onto the trunk. She had to struggle with it a bit. You may want to provide her a step to get up on the trunk easier.

--After your reveal, you do a nice job of acknowledging the audience and allowing them time to appreciate the magic moment and for applause...very good! Make it just a little bigger and stretch it a little longer! SMILE! Once the applause is coming down, gesture to them "But Wait!" and then procede to reveal the substitution of your Assistant!

--I like your routine as you go through the unlocking of the trunk...However, return to the same spot on center after each and every lock. Show it forward..then as you maintain eye contact with the audience move the lock to your side...then drop it. You are dropping the lock in front of your body and the audience cannot see it fall clearly. Move more quickly through the three hasps after the locks are removed to keep the pace up--you lost a little momentum there.

--Nice moves on the reveal of Olivia! But once she appears...give a second "Tada!" to the audience. Then help your assistant out of the box...take bows together in front... and then make sure to thank her for her performance before taking a final bow...(Mime: Ladies and Gentlemen...a big hand for my assistant Olivia! [you face front... extend left hand, look left..extend right hand, look right...and gesture to your assistant! you could even applaud a second or too) Then take her hand...and together..step front..both arms up! bow! both arms up! bow!

You have a very nice sub-trunk routine! I hope you find my little fine points helpful...Best of Luck in your competition and Thank you for sharing.

Warmest Regards...
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 8, 2012 07:54PM)
Thanks very much, I'm glad for the thoughts. I do have a four minute time limit and I'm doing a candle act before so time is limited. But your suggestions will be used in a normal show. I will make sure to show this to Olivia. Thanks again.
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Jan 8, 2012 09:16PM)
Luke- I too will say nice job so far!

might I make a few suggestions. especially as you need to move faster.

there are several things you can do to gain more time and allow yow to show case you and your assitant.

lets start with what you can do to shave some time off and allow you to focus on more important things

first - hang the locks on the clasp prior to starting the routine this way she does not have to keep walking over and bending down to pick up a lock- this alone will shave off 7-9 seconds! it will also make it more smooth. (dont have the clasp under the locks) so that she can just open the trunk and then after she puts you in and lowers the lid the locks are right there in position. hope you understand

second- after the switch and you are unlocking the trunk as you unlock each lock flip the clasp at that point instead of walking back around lifting each one after you unlock them all. this again will save you several seconds.

as for the performance it self good job and here are a few tips to work on
one-you getting in try to get in by lifing your left leg forward and up and over (verses leaning over and showing your butt to every one) in other words satand sideways lift your left leg in to the box and then your right leg it will look a lot more professional and should be easier for you as well.

two- I really think you assitant is cute and plays well and she needs to play up that cuteness and look at the audience more.

three- get her a stool to stand on so that she can easily get on the trunk.

I don't think she had trouble with the curtain however it did appear that you have it made from PVC pipe and it can change sizes. just make sure it is all the way open on the floor prior to doing the illusion so that she can lift it easier.

I whole heartily agree that you need to help her out of the box - untie her first and then help her out. either help lift her out or put the stool there and help her or kneel down and let her get out and use your bended kneed to stand on as she exist the box.

take the bow together as this is some thing "WE" did not just you.

again good job and you will do great.

that's all I have for now and I don't want to over load you. keep practicing that is the best advice I can give you - as the more you do it the better you will get and the more things you will discover on your own.

magically yours

Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 9, 2012 07:26AM)
Thanks Sam I like your ideas, I am working on the curtain though it was sewn too short for the pipe to extend to full length. Thank you. =)
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Jan 9, 2012 10:01AM)
Your welcome luke,

feel free to search my website or youtube for my presentation of the subtrunk to get some ideas and it will help you understand some of what I said as this is info right from my routine too.

good luck
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 9, 2012 04:03PM)
I watched your performance I got a better idea of what you meant with the locks. Thanks.
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Jan 9, 2012 07:28PM)

Love it! I made and performed the subtrunk when I was about 16. Haven't done it since...but you have inspired me (now that I am 47!) do do it again!

THANKS to you and Olivia!
Message: Posted by: magicelam (Jan 9, 2012 08:19PM)
I thought it was awesome. I was afraid you were gonna bump your head on that ceiling ;)
I think if you're closing a four minute comp. with it, you've got it about right.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 9, 2012 08:31PM)
Glad to hear it! I have been working on illusions and I love it. I hope to make it big sometime. Thank you!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 9, 2012 08:39PM)
Yeah the trunk is larger than most and my head hits the roof a lot but its made of sponge like material so I'm ok. The competition is for all talents but I had to win a county fair contest to get to the state one so I'm excited for it. Thank you! =)
Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 10, 2012 12:19PM)
On 2012-01-09 20:28, Mike Maturen wrote:
Love it! I made and performed the subtrunk when I was about 16. Haven't done it since...but you have inspired me (now that I am 47!) do do it again!

Wow, Mike, we're the same age and did the sub trunk at the same time! 30 years of cheesecake and pizza takes the trunk off the propgram unless folks want to see the world's slowest metamorphisis accompanied by the less than musical crackling of joints, grunts and huffing and puffing. It's a younger man's game and Luke can have it. Great video, Luke, and great advice all!
Message: Posted by: Mike Maturen (Jan 10, 2012 12:42PM)

On 2012-01-10 13:19, that'sJustWrong! wrote:
On 2012-01-09 20:28, Mike Maturen wrote:
Love it! I made and performed the subtrunk when I was about 16. Haven't done it since...but you have inspired me (now that I am 47!) do do it again!

Wow, Mike, we're the same age and did the sub trunk at the same time! 30 years of cheesecake and pizza takes the trunk off the propgram unless folks want to see the world's slowest metamorphisis accompanied by the less than musical crackling of joints, grunts and huffing and puffing. It's a younger man's game and Luke can have it. Great video, Luke, and great advice all!
Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Jan 10, 2012 01:39PM)
I am 42 as of January 7th and I still perform the sub trunk 100 times or more a year! I don't plan to stop any time soon.

Luke glad you watched my video to get a better idea of the locks I really think it will shave off some time and clean it up a bit.

let us know how you do in the compitition!!!

Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 10, 2012 02:40PM)
Well, Sam, I suppose I could build a new one. It would need to be 3" plywood to support my weight, of course, and a chair lift or cattle hoist of some sort to get in and out of it would be helpful. We can add some othhopaedic cushions to lay on inside and the handcuffs can't be as hard to open as child-proof pill bottles. Sigh. Good luck, Luke, I still have my money on ya!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 10, 2012 04:01PM)
Thanks everyone, I will let you know how I do in the competition. I will probably put my candle act on youtube sometime. Thanks again. =)
Message: Posted by: tropicalillusions (Jan 10, 2012 05:19PM)
That's just wrong........ I like your attitude, do what you gotta do so you can do it...LOL. I totally understand. My poor wife is the one with the scraped shins from trying to be fast, and me always getting in the way to give her what we call a clear shot...LOl.
Message: Posted by: Falconer (Jan 11, 2012 01:19PM)
Is beautiful to see youngs magicians that will be the future of Magic one day!

Message: Posted by: Sam Sandler (Jan 11, 2012 01:43PM)
That'sjustwrong--- YOU KNOW- this could be a very funny routine...hmmmm

sorry to hear that it is not in your plans to do so but keep up thet good work and have fun what ever you do,.

yes my assitant has banged up her shins, elbows, however there was that one day while putting the lid on that she nearly knocked me out! LOL

Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 11, 2012 04:09PM)
Thank you. =) I've never seen a comedy sub trunk performance, that could be a good idea. =)
Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 11, 2012 06:59PM)
Yeah, now you guys have got me thinking and that's NEVER a good thing. Introduce Houdini's original assistant... trying to get the walker to fit into the trunk... putting him in a giant pill bottle cause everyone knows they're impossible for us old folks to open... threatening to do the Chinese Prune Juice Torture Cell... or a sub-coffin... going on with the show as he does a 30 minute escape...

Sorry, Luke, looks like we hijacked your thread!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 11, 2012 07:24PM)
I love the ideas! =) This could be really funny especially because there aren't that many comedy illusions. You could use an assistants revenge type curtain with a hospital curtain design. =) So many ideas. It would be nice to make a change from a normal sub trunk routine. Keep the idea alive! =)
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Pendragon (Jan 12, 2012 05:15AM)
Dear Luke
You did a wonderful job. At your age I couldn't have done better.

Don't worry about the speed of the switch, that will come with time. At this point smooth and focused movement is more important. Work with your assistant to try and establish a proximity awareness, in other words learn how each other moves so that you can anticipate each others movement.

Consider your choreography carefully, you are telling a story to the audience with the language of movement and not words. You could also smile a little more. I have that problem too.

With Respect
Jonathan Pendragon
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 12, 2012 07:19AM)
WOW! Thanks! I Love your performance of it, I actually showed olivia a video of you performance so she could get an idea of what we were doing!.=) Thanks for the advice I will use it for sure. Would your dvd help me with some of the things mentioned above? Thanks again! =)
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Jan 12, 2012 08:09AM)

The Pendragons DVD's are highly recommended! (you will learn a lot from the Maestro)
Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 12, 2012 10:17AM)
I'm impressed, Luke, your mind is already churning out good ideas for other projects. Look at everything you see with a "How would I put my own stamp on that?" eye and you're going to give Jonathan a run for his money some day! As for myself, well, look for people complaining about a comedy sub trunk show soon! I wrote a first draft last night that's going to make magic purists come after me with torches and pitchforks :)
Message: Posted by: KungFuMagic (Jan 12, 2012 11:45AM)
Well, I cannot compete with thye sage advice so far.

I can offer a simple, basic consideration. Be cautious with your lighting and position of trunk. At time marker :14 and again around :16 I got a brief flash of something that made me think about it. I don't know if it's because I know how the effect goes . . . but something to be mindful of since you don't have ultra tight carpentry. The black curtain will be great camoflage . . . just might be worth paying attention to the light positions and moving the parts quickly so it flows right past anything the audience might notice.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 12, 2012 03:59PM)
Thank you, I will buy the pendragon dvd for sure. I like the idea of a comedy illusion too. (I was pretty excited when I saw Jonathan Pendragon) =)
Message: Posted by: PaxMentis (Jan 13, 2012 09:13AM)
Hi Luke,
There's sooooo much info on the internet in re to the Pendragons, that sometimes a researcher might miss this. In the 50th edition of the Guinness Book of World Records the Pendragons were named the fastest transformation illusionists in the world. And somewhere I read that their switch was so fast that it couldn't be captured on a 35mm camera. WOW! Bottom line, you're off to a great start and the advice you received should be taken very literally.
God Bless,
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 13, 2012 04:10PM)
:wow: that's cool! I'm working on the routine but I don't see any major changes by the time of the competition (next week) but I will for sure put the advice to use. :)
Message: Posted by: M&M Magic (Jan 13, 2012 05:13PM)
Hey Luke! Great job dude! I am fifteen and my brother is fourteen! We have been performing for over 5 years and we also do the sub trunk! Yours is very nice keep up the good work! Practice everyday and you will gradually get quicker with the transition! Best of luck!

Bobby :)
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 14, 2012 10:54AM)
Thanks, our switch has gotten faster since the video and as I rewatch it I think it looks slow but that's because I wanted to drop the curtain at the transition in the music. What do you think is more important to the audience if I cant have both, the curtain dropping at the transition of the music or the switch a second faster? I would think the transition because in the eyes of an audience member they would like it just the same if the switch was a second faster or slower. By comparing videos it seems its only the magician who cares if the speed is slower than normal by a second. I'm not saying you should wait ten seconds if that's how far away the transition is, just that if it's close enough should you wait. I'd love to hear your opinion on which is more important. :) Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Jan 14, 2012 12:31PM)
It would be nice to see another rehearshal video so we could see the changes you made and comment again...can you post?

I say go with the music and match the climatic drop to the transition in your music. Sure, make the switch a second faster if you can...but work on the overall timing so that the drop still comes at the right place in the music. If you study the Pendragon's video, you will see how their routine is so very carefully choreographed. They obviously know where and when they are supposed to be for each and every beat of their music!

So...that being said...If you have shaved off a second in your switch...Then you now have a second to use in the lead up to the transition and drop. Make wise use of the second to increase the drama or showmanship of the preparations. Reinforce your story ... make sure the audience really understands that the red ribbon thingey is the key to the locks that have you secured in the trunk for instance. Or, emphasize some other important lead up moment.

Make the whole routine dance!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 14, 2012 12:53PM)
Thanks, I was unclear with my question. I could have dropped the curtain a second earlier but I didn't so that when I did drop it, it would happen at the transition of the music. Was that a good choice or not? :)
Message: Posted by: Drosselmeyer (Jan 14, 2012 03:23PM)
Hi Luke,
No...I got your question...Sorry, I probably could have been more clear with my feedback!!!

My original vote was for going with the music. However, I went back and viewed your video again (with the sound turned up). The music is nice, but the "cue" at that point of the performance is not that big...so I would go with dropping the curtain just as fast as you can to get the most of your effect. Show all the speed you have...its very impressive.

If your music transition or cue happens to come a second later, you can make use of that by timing your jump off the trunk lid to the music or by doing some other kind of "Tada!" to evoke applause.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 14, 2012 03:40PM)
I completely agree! As I was think I obviously did not have an audience in the video and in a real performance the clapping and cheering would be the change when I drop the curtain. I never really thought of that because I have not performed it live yet and that's the only way to gain the knowledge you need to become a better performer. Thank you. :)
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 14, 2012 05:49PM)
Here is my candle act, it is a little bit dark but you can still see the candles. Let me know what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3bS3M3g1lo&context=C3e8ff68ADOEgsToPDskKnHFSlVrK5CWkC3ntRPGyk
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 21, 2012 08:57AM)
Im going to my competition in about an hour! :)
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Jan 21, 2012 09:45AM)
I would put some foam in your prop box so you don't hear anything when you put the silk in at the end - your silk makes a sound lol

And look a bit more to the audience during the act & smile. (tease them with your magic)

Another little detail, you put the silk on your shoulder only to take it back to produce the 3th candle. better is to put the silk over the edge of your prop box, show both candles each in one hand (giving a reason to put the silk there) take both candles back in one hand, take the silk from the box & produce the 3th candle or find a reason to put it on your shoulders.maybe if you do the same but turn first to your left, then to your wring to show the 2 candles it would make it more interesting and less suspicious.

Keep up the good work and good luck with your competition!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 22, 2012 08:46AM)
I won a county competition to compete in the state one, but there was no catergory for magicians so I performed and they gave me an ‚ÄĚHonorary Mention" certificate. I geuss I'm going to some magic competitions now. :)
Message: Posted by: ThatsJustWrong! (Jan 23, 2012 10:18AM)
I think many of us are thrilled with how hard you worked for this, Luke. Most importantly, did you have fun?
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 23, 2012 04:02PM)
Of course. :) I love performing and I enjoyed seeing other acts. Working on the cane cabinet too now. :)
Message: Posted by: PaulPacific (Jan 28, 2012 10:25AM)
Looked great, Luke! Nicely done!
Message: Posted by: TheMagicOfLuke (Jan 28, 2012 03:33PM)
Thank you! :)