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Topic: Handling Telemarketers
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 12, 2012 11:57AM)
I've learned how to turn the annoying telemarketer calls into a rather fun thing. I'm curious to hear if any of you have similar fun ways to get back at them.

Here's ONE of mine.....

Caller asks for Bob so and so.....you respond by saying, "Just a minute" Then you holler, "HEY Bob, someone wants to talk to you...." You tell the caller to wait a minute. Then you go about your business, talking to your wife, watching TV, eating your dinner, listening to the radio, whatever. Just so the caller can hear it in the background on his end. About every half minute or so, you holler , "Hey Bob! This guy's still waiting to talk to you!" You keep up the play even get back on the phone and tell the caller, just a minute, he's in the basement and he's coming right up. Make it up as you go.

I actually had a guy on for about ten minutes one time before he finally hung up.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 12, 2012 12:00PM)
I don't 'get back at' telemarketers because they are just trying to work and maybe feed their families.
I ask them to remove me from their call lists and any lists they share.
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Feb 12, 2012 12:02PM)
Thank you critter. I just say "no thanks" and let them get about their business...without me!
(It was funny though!)
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 12, 2012 12:36PM)
At a very low period in my life I worked as a telemarketer for Dial Amercia selling magazine subscriptions. It was the only job I could get at the time. While your little prank might have been funny to you, most of the people who work telemarketing are usually pretty poor and rely on commissions to make money. When you pull such a trick, you are not hurting the company who does these things but the poor schnook who is trying to make money for his family and put food on the table. The guy calling probably wishes he was working somewhere else, but this is probably the best he could do in a down economy.

The best way to handle telemarkers is to just ask to be taken off their list, and put yourself on the Do Not Call list.

Or do what I did: get rid of your land line.
Message: Posted by: gdw (Feb 12, 2012 01:06PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-12 13:00, critter wrote:
I don't 'get back at' telemarketers because they are just trying to work and maybe feed their families.
I ask them to remove me from their call lists and any lists they share.
[/quote]

I've had quite a few now hang up on me when I ask to be removed, acting as if they didn't even hear my request. Not suprisingly, I still get calls from the same companies.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 12, 2012 02:14PM)
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On 2012-02-12 14:06, gdw wrote:
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On 2012-02-12 13:00, critter wrote:
I don't 'get back at' telemarketers because they are just trying to work and maybe feed their families.
I ask them to remove me from their call lists and any lists they share.
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I've had quite a few now hang up on me when I ask to be removed, acting as if they didn't even hear my request. Not suprisingly, I still get calls from the same companies.
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Don't know how it is in Canada, but we have laws against that here.
There are specific telemarketing laws that must be adhered to both Federally and within the state that the callee resides in to protect us from harrassment.
If you have such laws there you could just report those places to the proper authorities.
Message: Posted by: LobowolfXXX (Feb 12, 2012 02:23PM)
I [b]know[/b] you didn't just refer GDW to "the proper authorities"!!! This ought to be good.
Message: Posted by: jerome96114 (Feb 12, 2012 03:33PM)
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On 2012-02-12 15:14, critter wrote:
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On 2012-02-12 14:06, gdw wrote:
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On 2012-02-12 13:00, critter wrote:
I don't 'get back at' telemarketers because they are just trying to work and maybe feed their families.
I ask them to remove me from their call lists and any lists they share.
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I've had quite a few now hang up on me when I ask to be removed, acting as if they didn't even hear my request. Not suprisingly, I still get calls from the same companies.
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Don't know how it is in Canada, but we have laws against that here.
There are specific telemarketing laws that must be adhered to both Federally and within the state that the callee resides in to protect us from harrassment.
If you have such laws there you could just report those places to the proper authorities.
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Well, here in germany we have laws against it; But still most companies ignore that.
How do you want to proove to a court that they actually did not only not hear your request to be removed from the list,
and that you actually requested it ?
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 12, 2012 03:43PM)
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On 2012-02-12 13:36, Slide wrote:
At a very low period in my life I worked as a telemarketer for Dial Amercia selling magazine subscriptions. It was the only job I could get at the time. While your little prank might have been funny to you, most of the people who work telemarketing are usually pretty poor and rely on commissions to make money. When you pull such a trick, you are not hurting the company who does these things but the poor schnook who is trying to make money for his family and put food on the table. The guy calling probably wishes he was working somewhere else, but this is probably the best he could do in a down economy.

The best way to handle telemarkers is to just ask to be taken off their list, and put yourself on the Do Not Call list.

Or do what I did: get rid of your land line.
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I've been through the removal process and it hasn't worked for me.

Sorry Sunshine, but I don't like getting phone calls from telemarketers when I'm in the middle of my dinner. They should have more sense than to call at dinner or anytime after 6 PM. It's just plain rude and presumptious of them to interfere with my privacy so I don't give a rat's *** if I've made their day a little more difficult. Get over it and bother someone else. Besides, if you're in sales and can't handle rejection, you need to refocus your inner energy and karma.
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 12, 2012 04:26PM)
I try to be nice to telemarkers I was one for a while in college. If they are polite to me, I will be nice to them.
I don't like someone who starts out with a lie. This is all the new thing for construction companies... "Hello sir, we spoke a few months ago about your home improvement projects..." No, we did not. I have no problem with a contractor looking for business, but treat me a little better than that would you.

When I was on the phone selling auto insurance was the first time I heard an expression that sounded like "muck you and the horse you rode in on" I'd have never heard that before, and an Iowa farmer was the first to say that to me.

If a telemarkerter is rude or overly pushy, the gloves come off and I will play with them unmercifully. if they are nice, I can be too.

Do keep in mind though, if I want a product, I have probably researched it and purchased it on my own. Rare does someone actually call with something I want.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 12, 2012 05:21PM)
For one thing- telemarketers don't have a choice when to call you. Not if they want to keep their jobs.
For another- Many call centers rate job performance on call volume and call times. And in the ones I've worked at you only get three warnings for an off metric before you lose your job.
Also, most people that work at call centers weren't able to find a different job and that's why they have to get yelled at all day for poverty wages. But if enough people drag out the call for their own amusement then they may not even have that terrible job, and aren't likely to be qualified to do anything else.
I don't see any reason to punish someone for taking a crap job in a crap economy. The job itself is punishment enough.

As for the lying bit, one call center I worked at had a verbatim script. Missing even one word was grounds for a written warning.

Instead of adding to the unemployment lines one could also terminate the call or get caller i.d. and not answer it to begin with. I'd rather go with one of those than to contribute to the unemployment problem.
Message: Posted by: JoeJoe (Feb 12, 2012 05:21PM)
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On 2012-02-12 13:36, Slide wrote:
At a very low period in my life I worked as a telemarketer for Dial Amercia selling magazine subscriptions. It was the only job I could get at the time. While your little prank might have been funny to you, most of the people who work telemarketing are usually pretty poor and rely on commissions to make money. When you pull such a trick, you are not hurting the company who does these things but the poor schnook who is trying to make money for his family and put food on the table. The guy calling probably wishes he was working somewhere else, but this is probably the best he could do in a down economy.
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I had a lady call the other day wanting to know if I needed a mobility device ... I was like "no, but I'd sure like to get one cause I'm tired of walking around the mall all the time" ... she starts laughing and gives me the "test" to see if I qualify and we both knew I did not, but we sure had a good time laughing and joking about the prospect. :)

Was a fun call for both of us. :)

-JoeJoe
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 12, 2012 07:43PM)
<YAWN>
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 12, 2012 07:58PM)
And you're entitled to that opinion.
Message: Posted by: Frank Douglas (Feb 12, 2012 08:09PM)
I don't get the calls... National Do Not Call List does wonders.

Here's something I hope gives a few giggles... heard this last year.....

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvJQxgtJW94]Pranking A Telemarketer[/url]

Cheers
Frank
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 12, 2012 09:09PM)
Frank, that's a great one! I'm familiar with it and was going to share it until the bleeding hearts showed up. Didn't think they'd find the humor in it; such a humorless bunch. Thanks for posting it. Makes ME laugh! :)
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 12, 2012 09:13PM)
Yeah, that's what everyone says about me. No sense of humor.

See, here we come to another limitation of internet communication, the assumptions.
Fact is, I have played around with telemarketers for fun, but never in a way that jeopardized their job. Fake accents, one-liners, that kind of stuff. Not dragging out the call or anything.
Unemployment just isn't funny to me.

I'm not calling anyone here a bad person. Not my place.
I reckon some folk maybe haven't thought about the very real consequences on real people. Just pointing out that they are there. What you choose to do with that information is your own deal, and you can deal with your own karma either way.

It doesn't matter to me whether you change anything because of it. Just sharing why I choose to do what I do.
Not at all telling you what to do or insulting you in any way.
Information is all I offer, not judgement.
Message: Posted by: diehards2080 (Feb 13, 2012 06:47AM)
Just say New York City Sperm Bank. They never call back. Its funny when you get a woman too
Message: Posted by: Dr. Delusion (Feb 13, 2012 09:28AM)
About 25 years ago I had to take work as a telemarketer. Even though I hated the job, calling folks at dinner time or getting someone on the phone that was having a tough time getting to the phone, I made pretty good money at it. We sold tickets to fund raisers that were bringing Stan Kramiens Magic show to town. One other bad thing about it was that we told folks that we were calling on behalf of the Lane County Peace Officers Association. So naturally everyone thought it was a fund raisers for the local Sheriffs or Police. Later on I found out that only about 2% of the money actually went to law enforcement. I'm glad I only had to do this for about 2 weeks, then the City of Eugene called and offered me a job, Now I've got less than 5 years to go to retire.
So yes I do hate to get calls from thses outfits, but I'm always polite in telling them "No Thanks "
Bob.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 13, 2012 09:42AM)
I turned down one of those pseudo-police charity jobs when I had the luxury of other options. I also quit a job doing phone surveys after a day and a half when I was 17 because I hated lying to keep people on the phone. I swore for years that I would never work at a call center.
But when I could no longer do my previous job due to an injury, rather than leech of the tax-payers by claiming disability, I buckled and took the only job I could get at the time- which happened to be a call center. Just so I could work instead of being a burden on my family or society.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 13, 2012 09:51AM)
<YAWN>
Message: Posted by: Dr. Delusion (Feb 13, 2012 10:13AM)
Hey Critter, yep, sometimes you really don't have any options, you have to take any job you can get. I'm just glad I only had to work at the job for a short time. The fols that have to take that kind of a job are just trying to make a living. All you need need to do is say " No Thanks".
Bob.
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Feb 13, 2012 10:29AM)
Bob-

You worked for Kramien? He was a bit of a legend back when I was regularly touring the Northwest with the Belante show.

Best-

Bob
Message: Posted by: gdw (Feb 13, 2012 10:46AM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-12 16:33, jerome96114 wrote:
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On 2012-02-12 15:14, critter wrote:
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On 2012-02-12 14:06, gdw wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-02-12 13:00, critter wrote:
I don't 'get back at' telemarketers because they are just trying to work and maybe feed their families.
I ask them to remove me from their call lists and any lists they share.
[/quote]

I've had quite a few now hang up on me when I ask to be removed, acting as if they didn't even hear my request. Not suprisingly, I still get calls from the same companies.
[/quote]

Don't know how it is in Canada, but we have laws against that here.
There are specific telemarketing laws that must be adhered to both Federally and within the state that the callee resides in to protect us from harrassment.
If you have such laws there you could just report those places to the proper authorities.
[/quote]

Well, here in germany we have laws against it; But still most companies ignore that.
How do you want to proove to a court that they actually did not only not hear your request to be removed from the list,
and that you actually requested it ?
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This. More the "didn't hear you" angle. At least that seems to be the motivation behind their actions. Plausible deniability perhaps. As for the "do not call" lists, there are so many exceptions, at least here in canada, that they don't exactly do much.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, which I very well could be, one could ask not to be called, and seek compensation if ever called again, prior to do not call lists.

Personally, I just try and see how long I can keep telemarketers on the line before they hang up on me. Not to hold against those just doing their jobs, but if I'm gonna be bugged at home, I'm gonna get as much out of it as I can.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Feb 13, 2012 11:47AM)
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On 2012-02-13 10:51, Bob1Dog wrote:
<YAWN>
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<BELCH>

:)
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 13, 2012 01:14PM)
<FART> Oopsie! Excuse me a minute...
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 13, 2012 01:34PM)
Looks like somebody might need this:
[img]http://www.bestmedicine.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/BigCoffee.jpg[/img]
Message: Posted by: Chance (Feb 13, 2012 01:48PM)
One year I worked as the sole delivery driver for a 6-person call center. Since I was the public face of the local room, I got to hear first hand any feedback from the customers. I have to say, a well-run room with a fair manager and an honest and courteous staff can make all the difference in the world. I must have made 3000 deliveries for that room, and I can only recall fielding 3 or 4 general complaints, and not a single delivery refusal.

FYI, the whole list removal thing doesn't work with a room that's just going down a list of ordered numbers. They just start at 0001 and work their way through. It takes about 6 months for a small room to work all the way through all the local area codes, which is why you get called maybe twice a year by the same room.
Message: Posted by: Dennis Michael (Feb 13, 2012 01:51PM)
The should not be a "Do Not Call List." Instead a "CALL ME LIST".

Now it is automated machines at Diner time and they know you are home having diner and it is the best time to catch you at home.

The worst are the ones are on Cell Phones, political messages, and send me money messages.

Do Not Call list expire after a year and you have to do it again.

For those who choose this type of money making opportunity, well pranks are part of the job from persons who are trying to tell the telemarketers a message they appear not to hear.

Send me a message by snail mail and make it cost them 50 cents per message. They will be more selective on who they contact, this way.

Leave my cell phone and home phone alone.

I try to help the telemarketers by asking them to give me their home number so I can give it to help other telemarketers. To date none of them have given me their numbers.

Take me of their list doesn't work. For some odd reason "no" doesn't work either.

There is a reason the government made laws to telemarketers who appear to ignore. I guess the fines are not high enough.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Delusion (Feb 13, 2012 02:51PM)
Hi Bob, Nope, I never really did work for Stan, Just sold tickets for the outfit that was bringing him to town. I have got to know him somewhat through his Jamborees. I hear this years Jamboree will be the last one, so I'm for sure going to be there.
Bob.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 13, 2012 04:05PM)
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On 2012-02-13 14:51, Dennis Michael wrote:
The should not be a "Do Not Call List." Instead a "CALL ME LIST".

Now it is automated machines at Diner time and they know you are home having diner and it is the best time to catch you at home.

The worst are the ones are on Cell Phones, political messages, and send me money messages.

Do Not Call list expire after a year and you have to do it again.

For those who choose this type of money making opportunity, well pranks are part of the job from persons who are trying to tell the telemarketers a message they appear not to hear.

Send me a message by snail mail and make it cost them 50 cents per message. They will be more selective on who they contact, this way.

Leave my cell phone and home phone alone.

I try to help the telemarketers by asking them to give me their home number so I can give it to help other telemarketers. To date none of them have given me their numbers.

Take me of their list doesn't work. For some odd reason "no" doesn't work either.

There is a reason the government made laws to telemarketers who appear to ignore. I guess the fines are not high enough.
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Amen Dennis!
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 13, 2012 04:17PM)
<YAWN>
Message: Posted by: edh (Feb 13, 2012 07:36PM)
@Dennis, actually the do not call lists last 5 years before you have to renew them. It works for me. The telemarket calls dropped drastically. However the telemarketers caught on and now just make robo-calls.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 13, 2012 10:51PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-13 17:17, critter wrote:
<YAWN>
[/quote]

Can't you be more original?
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 13, 2012 11:27PM)
"Can't?" or "won't?"
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 14, 2012 12:45AM)
Your call! :)
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 14, 2012 09:27AM)
Touché
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 14, 2012 09:42AM)
Critter, you have a good sense of humor and you're a gentleman. Anyone who doesn't get riled at my acerbic style deserves kudos. That goes for some of the rest of the folks here as well. :)
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 14, 2012 11:31AM)
Thanks. You're alright too.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Feb 14, 2012 02:53PM)
Back in the day, I'd answer the phone and after the first few seconds, I'd simply hang up. This was before Cell Phones were the norm. Telemarketers don't call cell phones (to my knowledge) so they don't call. We still have a land line, but it's for faxing only. So that solves the problem. The ringer is turned off on the fax machine so we never even hear it ring...

Christopher
Message: Posted by: Cliffg37 (Feb 14, 2012 04:54PM)
I once saw on my caller ID that the incoming call was from a construction company. I amswered the phone, "A and D construction, may I help you?" they hung up. that hurt no one, and they were probably off the phone faster then if they ahd started thier script and I had to cut them off.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 14, 2012 04:59PM)
It got to the point that the only calls I got on my land line were telemarketing, political, or charity calls. Cancelled the land line and never looked back. haven't had a call from a telemarketer since. Do people still use land lines? I don't think I know anyone these days who has a land line, everyone lives by their cell phones and I use a scanner and the internet to send faxes.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 14, 2012 05:45PM)
One thing that does **** me off is this automated dialing device for a collections agency that keeps calling my cell phone. Some chick named Tina gave them the wrong number and I haven't found any way to get back in touch with them to tell them this is the wrong number.
Which begs the question, how would they expect Tina to call and pay her bill?
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 14, 2012 08:49PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-14 17:59, Slide wrote:
It got to the point that the only calls I got on my land line were telemarketing, political, or charity calls. Cancelled the land line and never looked back. haven't had a call from a telemarketer since. Do people still use land lines? I don't think I know anyone these days who has a land line, everyone lives by their cell phones and I use a scanner and the internet to send faxes.
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Yup, some of us do actually use land lines. And we DO despise telemarketers interrupting our lives, as you indicated you did when you had YOUR land line. Hence the reason for my original post.

Some of us are actually very fulfilled retirees who aren't on the high wire like some of you younger folks and we still keep our land lines. It's called cheap. And yes, we have cell phones too by golly! But mostly for casual calls while traveling, etc, and with minimal costs and limited minutes of use per month; more than we'll ever use. We don't need to be connected to the world 24/7 and we don't need high cost data charges on special devices that you can phone and text with while you're driving, endangering my life and yours, take pictures with, connect to the Internet, download APPS and any number of things that y'alls do with these things. Don't get me wrong, technology is great and you busy folks need these things; but I don't. Simple as that.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 14, 2012 09:28PM)
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=9N2E93VzQSA
Message: Posted by: Cabrera (Feb 15, 2012 11:03AM)
I simply say: Thank God you're sellinging something! I thought you were another bill collecter!
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 15, 2012 01:34PM)
"Some of us are actually very fulfilled retirees who aren't on the high wire like some of you younger folks and we still keep our land lines. It's called cheap. And yes, we have cell phones too by golly! But mostly for casual calls while traveling, etc, and with minimal costs and limited minutes of use per month; more than we'll ever use. We don't need to be connected to the world 24/7 and we don't need high cost data charges on special devices that you can phone and text with while you're driving, endangering my life and yours, take pictures with, connect to the Internet, download APPS and any number of things that y'alls do with these things. Don't get me wrong, technology is great and you busy folks need these things; but I don't. Simple as that."

I think my link wasn't right. Here is the link I meant to post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N2E93VzQSA
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 15, 2012 11:45PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-15 14:34, Slide wrote:
"Some of us are actually very fulfilled retirees who aren't on the high wire like some of you younger folks and we still keep our land lines. It's called cheap. And yes, we have cell phones too by golly! But mostly for casual calls while traveling, etc, and with minimal costs and limited minutes of use per month; more than we'll ever use. We don't need to be connected to the world 24/7 and we don't need high cost data charges on special devices that you can phone and text with while you're driving, endangering my life and yours, take pictures with, connect to the Internet, download APPS and any number of things that y'alls do with these things. Don't get me wrong, technology is great and you busy folks need these things; but I don't. Simple as that."

I think my link wasn't right. Here is the link I meant to post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N2E93VzQSA
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You'll get there one day sonny. I hope you're fortunate enough to be able to retire at fifty-nine like I did.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 16, 2012 11:56AM)
Well I'm 58, and an entrepreneur and I never plan on retiring. I'm having too much fun starting businesses. Every day I get up and have an impact on the world. Next week I'm being honored with an industry award and my industry is getting together to throw a birthday bash for me (turn 58 next tuesday).

Never understood the idea of retiring. Retire from what? Having the time of my life?

I actually do feel for people that have worked a job all their life that they hate so much they can't wait to retire. I've always done exactly what I wanted and what I loved. I'll retire when they throw the first spade of dirt on me.
Message: Posted by: Jon_Thompson (Feb 16, 2012 01:01PM)
I deal with telemarketers by pretending that I can't hear them. Every time they try to speak I ask "Hello?", "Anyone there?", "Is this a dirty call?", "At least say something, even if it's filthy!".

They get the message soon enough.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 16, 2012 01:17PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-16 12:56, Slide wrote:
Well I'm 58, and an entrepreneur and I never plan on retiring. I'm having too much fun starting businesses. Every day I get up and have an impact on the world. Next week I'm being honored with an industry award and my industry is getting together to throw a birthday bash for me (turn 58 next tuesday).

Never understood the idea of retiring. Retire from what? Having the time of my life?

I actually do feel for people that have worked a job all their life that they hate so much they can't wait to retire. I've always done exactly what I wanted and what I loved. I'll retire when they throw the first spade of dirt on me.
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Touchy touchy! Must have struck a nerve. Don't feel sorry for me Sonny. I loved my work but after thirty very successful years in management and reaching the executive ranks for a major, major corporation, I decided it was time to enjoy my freedom and wanderlust while I was still young enough to do it. I sincerely I hope you're having as much fun enjoying your passions (I know, I know, your work is your passion) as I am with mine (too varied and probably boring to you), living a life of leisure and not having anyone to answer to. Ahhh, life is good.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 16, 2012 03:34PM)
We agree there. I've been my own boss since August of 2000. Nothing like it. I also play music live a couple of nights a week, so work is not the only passion. And for course card magic is its own passion.

I was never one for the corporate life. I only worked at one large corporation and never loved the bureaucracy.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 16, 2012 04:47PM)
Corporate life is about competence and politics. Unfortunately sometimes incompetents get promoted for political reasons but competent folks also get promoted for the right reasons as well. Just like in real politics. I was in the latter. I was able to adapt, play the game and I was very good at what I did. Still, at 59, having lived in Europe, Asia and much of the US and having a very good run, I had a wonderful opportunity to retire with full benefits for life (because I WAS good at what I did). I seized the moment. Never looked back and wouldn't change a thing.

I also admire entrepreueurs. It takes guts and risk-taking to do what you do, especially when making the transition in midlife. I congratulate you and all the other entrepreneurs out there for becoming your own bosses. I can imigine the thrill of that. But do think of retiring one day, no matter how much you love your work. There's a whole world out there waiting for you. :)
Message: Posted by: mastermindreader (Feb 16, 2012 05:06PM)
As a performer and a writer I could never even imagine retiring. What I do I don't consider to be a job. It's who I am.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 16, 2012 06:09PM)
Thanks Bob1Dog. I got a lot of that out of my system earlier: during my 20's I played music professionally in places like Austin Tx and traveled to France just to write for 6 months (the great american novel). My 30's I came to New York to be a painter and had some one man shows in the east village. Got involved in 3d animation on the ground floor and became a well known writer on 3d especially when 3d technologies came to the web. That let me travel to Japan, Australia, Brazil, Holland, Sweden to speak around the world. For a while I designed video games for a living. My first company I started in 1993 and we put a deal together with Microsoft but it fell through and the company failed. In 1999 I tried again and was successful enough with a nonprofit that I could quit my day job. August of 2000 I started an internet company right after the internet bust but the business thrived. Next business I raised 8 million bucks (my first VC backed company) and the company is still the leader in its space. Been at it ever since. In the last year and a half I've launched 4 websites and will be launching 2 more this year. I look at business like an art project. Like Mr. Cassidy, it is who I am and the thought of retiring is not something I would entertain. I've had an amazing life, did everything I wanted, and I have no regrets. While never a star, I've had success being a musician, a writer, an artist and a business person. It has been a very well lived life.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 16, 2012 09:16PM)
Slide, you're having an impressive run as well. You the entrepreneur and me the corporate hack. Two fullfilling lives a hundred eighty degrees apart. Magic has always been an interest of mine from the time I was an adolescent. But I didn't have the time or make the time to practice at it. Now I perform magic for kids and I'm having the time of my life. The charm ia that I don't need the money and much of my work is for those who can't pay for it. At 64, it doesn't get much better than that. That's what I am. That's the beauty of life, we can be whatever we want to be, all we have to do is do it... if we really want to.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 16, 2012 11:27PM)
Nursing homes appreciate volunteer entertainment as well, FYI.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 16, 2012 11:52PM)
I know, I do them too. I performed for my 88-year-old mother and all the residents on her floor in 2010 when she was in a nursing home. She had never seen me perform before. After she passed away, I did two more shows for them and one of them combined a kid's show for the kids that were doing projects with the seniors on the same day. It was wonderful with the kids and the seniors in the same room. Like I said, it just doesn't get better than that.
Message: Posted by: critter (Feb 16, 2012 11:54PM)
Right on.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 17, 2012 06:05AM)
So Bob1, I have to ask. When you were working at that corporation, I assume it had a sales team. Did they do cold calls?
Message: Posted by: Andrew Zuber (Feb 17, 2012 09:37AM)
I still get telemarketers calling on my cell phone. They LOVE to call about my mortgage, which is awesome since I don't have one. Recently I get a lot of calls where someone says, "Is so-and-so there?" and I tell them no, they must have a wrong number. Then they launch into, "Well maybe YOU can help me then" and off we go.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 17, 2012 08:57PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-17 07:05, Slide wrote:
So Bob1, I have to ask. When you were working at that corporation, I assume it had a sales team. Did they do cold calls?
[/quote]

I wasn't aware of them, but we might have. That wouldn't have made it acceptable to me if we did.
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 17, 2012 09:05PM)
Ah...you've never carried a case then.

Did you ever wonder where the money came from to pay your salary? :)

Bob you seem like a nice guy and I'm sure we would get on if we met.

But it is the guys who get on the phone, handle the rejection day in and day out, and make the SALE that are the people that I respect and who make business happen. I've done it and I know how hard it is. As an entrepreneur, who has had his neck on the line every *** payday to make sure I had enough money in the account to pay everyone else, I blessed my salespeople every day.

You may not appreciate them. You may think they are a pain when the call you at home, but the sales guy is the guy who makes the money in this world and allows managers the comfort of retiring early.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 17, 2012 10:20PM)
[quote]
On 2012-02-17 22:05, Slide wrote:
Ah...you've never carried a case then.

Did you ever wonder where the money came from to pay your salary? :)

Bob you seem like a nice guy and I'm sure we would get on if we met.

But it is the guys who get on the phone, handle the rejection day in and day out, and make the SALE that are the people that I respect and who make business happen. I've done it and I know how hard it is. As an entrepreneur, who has had his neck on the line every *** payday to make sure I had enough money in the account to pay everyone else, I blessed my salespeople every day.

You may not appreciate them. You may think they are a pain when the call you at home, but the sales guy is the guy who makes the money in this world and allows managers the comfort of retiring early.
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Oh, I carried a case but it was filled with drawings, proposals and the like. Come on Slide, get real. I worked in the publishing industry; do you know how many times in my career I heard, "Ad sales and circulation sales pay your salary!" ? It's as old as cups and balls. I got tired of hearing it for so many years because without the lubrication I gave to the machines that produced the products they were selling, they wouldn't have made their commissions. Simple as that. Our company was a four-legged stool that required news, advertising, circulation and Production. Without that production leg, you don't have a product to sell.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 17, 2012 10:23PM)
P.S.

I AM a nice guy and I have no doubt we would get along if we met. I get along with everyone! :) Some folks just don't like what I have to say, but that's their problem, not mine.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 17, 2012 10:25PM)
PPS...do you like Jack Daniels?
Message: Posted by: Slide (Feb 18, 2012 06:23AM)
Yes I do.

But I'm more a single malt scotch guy.

The publishing industry of course is one of the biggest utilizers of telemarketing sales forces. Unfortunately it is a dying industry and I can see why you opted for early retirement.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 18, 2012 02:18PM)
Absolutely correct.

In our particular organization we had a bright guy who pioneered satellite technology back in the seventies. In fact we were so good at it as I recall, we were the first company to purchase our own transponder on a satellite launched on the Shuttle in the mid eighties or so. We used satellite technology to replace the old microwave technoligy in data transfer, both for text, advertising, and whole page images for making the printing plates

The guy who lead this effort rose to the highest of executive VP ranks and ultimately vied for the CEO position. He tried for at least a decade to convince the other leaders in the company to swing from print to the digital arena. He cut deals with Steve Jobs at Apple for awhile. His vision saw the publications we produced being viewed on computers back in the eighties.

Unfortunately he was a tech guy and traditional CEOs and Chairmen came out of a different department whose leaders didn't share his opinion. Very bad management decision. Because the sales and news folks who "paid our salaries" couldn't get past their staid old ways. We were ahead of Bloomberg and he walked right by us.

PS not a single malt scotch guy here.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Feb 18, 2012 05:43PM)
[quote]On 2012-02-18 07:23, Slide wrote:
But I'm more a single malt scotch guy.[/quote]
Highland, Lowland, Island, Islay, Speyside, or Campbeltown?
Message: Posted by: MaxfieldsMagic (Feb 18, 2012 10:23PM)
Try asking them in a lecherous tone of voice, "mmmmm.... what are you wearing?" etc.

Or, if they say that the call is being recording for "quality assurance purposes," insist on obtaining a copy of the recording under the Freedom of Information Act, then argue about that until they give up and bail out of the call.

Here's the thing about telemarketers, though: they really don't care if you hang up on them at the beginning of a call - they'll just immediately call the next number that pops up on their computer screen (I did telemarketing for a few months after college). The worst thing you can do, from their perspective, is to spend ten or more minutes on the phone with them, and then pull the plug. Most telemarketers have a daily, if not hourly, quota of goals they're supposed to hit, so they don't want to waste time talking to someone who really isn't (and never will be) interested. You don't even need to say goodbye, just hist the "call end" button. Seriously, they won't care.
Message: Posted by: Bob1Dog (Feb 19, 2012 08:22PM)
Max,

Your first sentence is what I was looking for in my OP. I know, I know, some folks don't like it that I'm hurting the telemarketer by holding on to him for ten minutes. But that's not my problem. I don't like it when my privacy is messed with.

So let's hear some of those good ones that I KNOW y'all have. Glad to hear some folks still have a sense of humor. Any other discussion of the poor telemarketer's plight will go unacknowledged. By me anyway. :)