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Topic: Chaos Theory - A new ACAAN
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 20, 2012 05:18PM)
My new ebook is available 'Chaos Theory' which is another take on the ACAAN plot, framed as a mentalism routine.

* No memorisation or calculations

* Minimal set-up between performances

* Only one deck used, visible at all times

* The performer never touches the deck

* The ungaffed deck can be left with the audience

* The whole audience are involved in choosing the cards

Comes with the main stage version, and a close up / casual performance variation.

Full patter included - this routine is full of theme and if you've given up on pointless feeling ACAANs this might change your mind!

http://tinyurl.com/88sozgc
Message: Posted by: Suffolk (Mar 20, 2012 07:37PM)
This is so brilliant it's going straight in my 2013 show.
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 20, 2012 08:41PM)
I'll have to say I loved the alternate handling better than the main routine. So you have both.

Good job Julian.
Message: Posted by: Balaram (Mar 20, 2012 10:44PM)
I was one of the lucky 5 who received a free copy to evaluate.
I like this so much, I just paid him for it anyway.
In these bitter economic times, let that stand as my review and recommendation!
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 21, 2012 04:38AM)
I am pretty chuffed with the reaction this has been getting. The idea has been stewing for at least a couple of years until I got it simple enough to be happy with it.

I have some other ideas for ACAAN and if I can get them into shape I'll include them into this same ebook as an update.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 21, 2012 06:02AM)
Now this sounds promising...
Any word on the patter that is used to make this convincing?
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 22, 2012 10:07AM)
It would most definitely give the game away if you knew the patter.

However the routine starts thusly:

‘I’ve always been interested in randomness. If you’ve seen any documentaries attempting to explain chaos theory, you’ll know that even in randomness you can find patterns. Because of this, over the last few months I’ve been doing a bit of research of my own using nothing but numbers and playing cards.'

To be honest that's all that can be divulged! But at least you get more of an idea as to the theme.
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 22, 2012 11:57AM)
There's patter Nicolino
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 22, 2012 01:01PM)
Thanks Julian, thanks perfect information and I like the premise.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 26, 2012 10:29AM)
I should add that this is more a mentalism effect than a 'card trick' challenge. You'll know what I mean if you have it. The whole premise means you have to be able to speak casually to the audience and not just go straight in to the whole 'give me a number count down blah blah'.

It's presented as a curiosity, which turns into an effect. The fact that the chosen card comes at the chosen number at the end of the routine isn't really expected but noticed as an afterthought (even though the deck is never touched, or switched).

Really hard to talk about this one without spilling the beans! It won't be for everybody, but as some other mentalists have said, if you've got half a brain on you you'll find many more uses for the subtle ruse used in this effect.

It's also probably one of the few acaans you can perform drunk, and it's possibly the least mechanical acaan to perform (well, that I've ever seen myself, but I have seen quite a few).

But I would say that wouln't I :)

I'll shut up now.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 27, 2012 02:47AM)
Hoping for a few more honest reviews... :no:
Message: Posted by: Myke Phillips (Mar 27, 2012 03:55AM)
It would be nice to read full honest review of this. At the moment it's not enough to push some of us to want to buy this.

Need more in depth reviews.

Regards
Myke
Message: Posted by: Rus ANDREWS (Mar 27, 2012 07:39AM)
I may take a look at this and post a full review.

I'm currently working on a new method for this so I am interested to see what this is all about.

Sounds good tho!

R
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Mar 27, 2012 10:11AM)
Yeah, let us know, Rus!! :)
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 27, 2012 04:59PM)
I bought this because I own most Of Julian's stuff.

At first glance I knew it wasn't for me. Good, different but not what I would perform.

But I went on to read the alternative method and found a really cool routine I knew I would perform.

I don't have time to submit an in depth review. And even after that we would see a post that says

"anyone else?"

So there you have it. I bought this because of my past dealings with Julian and his products.

J
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Apr 2, 2012 07:40AM)
Thanks John. Nice to have someone who likes my stuff but is still able to remain truthful. Glad you like the alternative.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Apr 11, 2012 04:28AM)
Jheff has just given this a review - thanks Jheff! I only found out because Bill Cushman tipped me off!

http://www.marketplaceofthemind.com/chaotheo.html
Message: Posted by: nathanernest (Apr 11, 2012 09:20PM)
Just purchased and this will work well given the correct presentation. Nice ideas and patter will work very well. Well worth the $.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 12, 2012 04:40AM)
What confuses me is that statement from the previous review...

"The price, or trade-off, is that there is a deck set-up and
there also is a spiral notebook involved. The notebook
(which is not mentioned in the blurb and is an ordinary one
which is easily obtainable) is used to write down the freely
chosen number (and it is indeed a free choice). There is
some preparation to this notebook but it's a one-time set-up
and is not difficult."

Can somebody elaborate a bit more on this? A spiral notebook?
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 12, 2012 02:37PM)
Any other review?
Message: Posted by: Balaram (Apr 12, 2012 08:54PM)
Dorian, it is a small pocket notebook, any sort will do.
It is the specific presentation that makes this work. It is probably not appropriate to reveal anything further.
I continue to use and enjoy this. Take the leap!
Message: Posted by: Mentalism (Apr 15, 2012 06:09AM)
Can the spactator freely think of any card?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 15, 2012 02:20PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-12 05:40, doriancaudal wrote:
What confuses me is that statement from the previous review...

"The price, or trade-off, is that there is a deck set-up and
there also is a spiral notebook involved. The notebook
(which is not mentioned in the blurb and is an ordinary one
which is easily obtainable) is used to write down the freely
chosen number (and it is indeed a free choice). There is
some preparation to this notebook but it's a one-time set-up
and is not difficult."

Can somebody elaborate a bit more on this? A spiral notebook?
[/quote]

Dorian, my personal assumption is this fact has to be taken in regards to this key point:
[quote]
On 2012-03-20 18:18, bevbevvybev wrote:
* No memorisation or calculations
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: nathanernest (Apr 15, 2012 11:31PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-15 07:09, Mentalism wrote:
Can the spactator freely think of any card?
[/quote]

No they can't. On further reading of this I think its very unfair to market this as a ACAAN effect. Its more, any number and my volunteer knows the card. Its good for the $$ but if you know any other ACAAN with one deck. Its probably better.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 18, 2012 04:22AM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-16 00:31, nathanernest wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-04-15 07:09, Mentalism wrote:
Can the spactator freely think of any card?
[/quote]

No they can't. On further reading of this I think its very unfair to market this as a ACAAN effect. Its more, any number and my volunteer knows the card. Its good for the $$ but if you know any other ACAAN with one deck. Its probably better.
[/quote]

So it is not an ACAAN in the strict sense. Thanks for this piece of information. I'll stick on Born's version.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Apr 18, 2012 01:36PM)
I think I should chime in here, not to defend my work (I wouldn't release it if I didn't like it) but to just to clear a few things up.


This is how Chaos Theory APPEARS to the audience:

- A spectator is freely chosen and handed a boxed deck of cards by the performer.

- (THE PERFORMER NEVER TOUCHES THE CARDS OR BOX AGAIN)

- The audience as a whole / an audience member calls out a number from 1 to 52.

- The spectator thinks of two cards and calls them out loud to the audience.

- The audience help choose a final card by helping the spectator choose just ONE of the cards he called out.

- The spectator deals down to the number the audience called out and there is the card he not only thought of, but that the audience helped him pick.


Just to recap:

- ONE DECK
- NO memorised stack
- NO maths / cribs / calculations
- The performer NEVER touches the cards - the cards can be sealed in an envelope and left on stage prior to the performance
- It's EASY to perform, and pretty good fun too

And above all, and one of my favourite things about this routine is it involves everyone in the audience, and has a good plot that makes sense and is entertaining.

BUT IS IT A 'REAL' ACAAN?

Now you could argue that this method vs that method is 'purer' than another, and fair enough, we're not just mentalists around here but also magicians and thinkers who like to think what they're doing is 'the real thing'.

But personally I only care what the audience believe to be true, and as what I've written above is exactly what the audience thinks has happened, then in my opinion, it has.

I wanted to create an easy to perform, hands-off, no sleight / no memorisation ACAAN.

And I believe that this is what the audience sees. They witness an ACAAN, and everyone gets to help the spectator choose his card too, which creates even more involvement.

Appearances are everything. 'It looked like an ACAAN' and 'It was an ACAAN' are the same thing. The only people who can tell the difference are magicians and mentalists, but as we don't talk to real people then that's largely irrelevant.

HOWEVER

I will clear some things up. My Chaos Theory routine is for stage / platform / parlour, or larger audience.

It uses dual reality, but is well scripted to cover for this, so no one feels duped - everyone feels something cool happened. This is NOT instant stooge. Far from it.

There IS a version which isn't really ACAAN in the ebook (and I readily admit this) which is better for walkaround / smaller groups. But this version is included because I quite like it, and thought it should be included, even though it's not strictly ACAAN. Quite a few people are quite enjoying performing this version however.

WHY USE MY VERSION?

Because you never want to touch the cards, and you want to be able to perform an ACAAN at your next show without having to remember a stacked deck or do any calculations, leaving you more space to perform and have some fun without all the brainache and perspiration.

As far as I'm concerned, if you ever go near the cards in an ACAAN then people can always say 'but he fiddled the cards', thus negating your ACAAN no matter how good you think it is.

I believe that the trade offs in Chaos Theory are more than made up for in the fact that you never have to touch the cards.

Whatever the audience thinks, they won't for even a second be able to think that you switched decks, changed card orders or even touched or went anywhere near the cards.

Because you didn't.

ARE YOU FINISHED?

Yes, thanks for listening. ACAAN is one of those things that none of us can leave alone, and I hope my version has helped get the number of available ACAANs out there at least in to the low 100s. If my version isn't for you I wish you luck finding the 'real' one. If you do, please let me know.

Bev
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 19, 2012 07:31AM)
Thanks for your detailed answer! But...

[quote]
On 2012-04-18 14:36, bevbevvybev wrote:
- The spectator thinks of two cards and calls them out loud to the audience.
[/quote]

... Can you elaborate a bit more on this, please?
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Apr 19, 2012 11:22AM)
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.
Message: Posted by: John C (Apr 19, 2012 03:22PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.
[/quote]

no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

J
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Apr 19, 2012 03:34PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 16:22, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.
[/quote]

no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

J
[/quote]

Not true at all. I bought the pdf, so s**t up :) You don't know what you are talking about.
Message: Posted by: John C (Apr 19, 2012 04:56PM)
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 16:34, doriancaudal wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 16:22, johncesta wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-04-19 12:22, bevbevvybev wrote:
I have elaborated enough. Any more info and I'd be giving away the whole method.

I wrote my last rather long post in an attempt to stop this thread becoming the endless fishing for the method.

I guess that didn't work then.
[/quote]

no, Julian, it won't work. You should have predicted that. Always leave them wanting more. It's like a spam phone call, once you engage them in conversation they know they got ya. It's better to just to hang up.

J
[/quote]

Not true at all. I bought the pdf, so s**t up :) You don't know what you are talking about.
[/quote]

No actually I do think once you engage a spam phone caller in conversation you will lose. They want you to engage them in conversation. That's the trick in that game. They could then say something that will get your interest.

J
Message: Posted by: nathanernest (Apr 19, 2012 09:45PM)
I'm sorry Julian but the spectator will feel liked they have been duped using this method. They will return to their seat and immediately tell their friends that their choice of card/s was not so fair. I honestly don't think the patter justifies holding the pad up to them almost straight after you have the number chosen.

Can I ask, what do you do with the pad after the performance? Do you have any suggestion to recycle the pad for something else?
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Apr 21, 2012 02:32AM)
Barrie Richardson, who has an entire chapter devoted to his own approach to ACAAN in his book 'Theatre Of The Mind' had this to say about Chaos Theory:

'Great thinking. Bravo!'
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 22, 2012 08:02AM)
Julian, I appreciate how frankly you've replied so far to questions regarding your ACAAN, and I absolutely do understand that you don't want to give away even more information in order to protect your secret.

However, the way you are offhand about Nathan's definite objection (simply not addressing it) just doesn't look professional to me. [i]Chaos Theory[/i] is surely a great effect and it doesn't have to please everyone but hedging a question like this just seems not that convincing to me.
Maybe you both can resolve this by PM?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 24, 2012 02:02PM)
Alright, I took the plunge to know for myself what we're actually talking about here. 

And I was pleasantly surprised!

The 23 page ebook is clearly written and the instructions are laid out for the reader to easily understand, pictures help where necessary. 
The method is clever (in a way that [i]TresLibre[/i] was clever, too) and perfectly woven into the premise. No doubt this is not a straight-to-the-point card trick where one can show off his finest sleights... it's rather a story about an experiment... 

[i]Chaos Theory[/i] employs a powerful tool in mentalism, but to whoever is afraid to use it (or when the performance settings don't suit), a great variation is offered (which I heard some readers like even more. Not sure for myself, though - I think both have their justification).

As an additional great touch, Julian not only delivers an example for the patter, he also dedicates the last chapter of the book to some hints and tips, to ensure a hassle-free experience.

This gets my full recommendation as a new, unusual approach to ACAAN - and what else would this age old problem more benefit from than a new approach...? :)
Message: Posted by: edh (Apr 24, 2012 08:22PM)
Nicolino, could you comment on Nathans post?
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 25, 2012 01:15AM)
That would be hard a task publicly...!
I'll shoot you a PM!
Message: Posted by: nathanernest (Apr 25, 2012 10:27AM)
I'm curious to know what your thoughts on my post were. Can you forward me the PM please, provided there is nothing too personal in there. Thanks! :)
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Apr 25, 2012 10:48AM)
Sure, PM sent.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (May 9, 2012 11:53AM)
Thanks for keeping the bigger discussion about this private.
Message: Posted by: mikefallen (Feb 28, 2013 10:24AM)
Seems a nice version of it. Anyway, I think it is an effect that magicians apreciate more than lay people! Acaan, I think, is a litlle different from the berglas effect anyway...