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Topic: A LOT of mousetraps.
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 14, 2012 01:34PM)
I have a gig coming up where I am supposed to set off a LOT of mouse traps off on my tongue in a short period of time. Over 40 in a minute to be exact. I've never done this many or this fast. Any tips on how to be this fast and how to take that much abuse? I'm practicing, but it is proving to be more painful that I thought. Much appreciated!
Message: Posted by: sleightly (Jun 14, 2012 02:19PM)
Novacaine?

(Cheatah...)

ajp
Message: Posted by: Eric the Excellent (Jun 14, 2012 05:51PM)
Oh... boy. That does not sound like a lot of fun.

Have a snow-cone or a slushie handy afterwards, for sure... maybe numb your tongue up beforehand with some ice, too.

Good luck!
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jun 15, 2012 12:49AM)
Being a Blockhead has nothing to do w/ being a Carny...With that said...Now that you do the Blockhead, can you hang Sidewall??..
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jun 15, 2012 12:50AM)
Oops, sorry Kameron ...wrong thread...Sorry!..
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jun 15, 2012 07:26AM)
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On 2012-06-15 01:49, The Curator of the Unusual wrote:
Being a Blockhead has nothing to do w/ being a Carny...With that said...Now that you do the Blockhead, can you hang Sidewall??..
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No, but I can hang drywall...
Message: Posted by: Tom Jorgenson (Jun 15, 2012 02:34PM)
If you blow-torched the springs a tad, would they weaken enough to help, to make it more tolerable? I'd sure try the full 40 once, first, before the show to see what happens to your tongue.

If your tongue swells up enough, you croak. Just sayin'.
Message: Posted by: Eric the Excellent (Jun 16, 2012 01:24PM)
I know that a similar gaffing is done with bear-trap styled tricks. It'd probably work with mouse traps.

Or... if they are not going to be inspected, you could remove one of the springs from them. They still snap shut satisfyingly quick but it lessens the force.
Message: Posted by: Zagam (Jun 17, 2012 12:31PM)
According to this, 40 is the current record. Why not go for 41? As for getting ready, theres a thread in here somewhere about Gwad doing it. He had some words that may help iirc.
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records-7000/most-mouse-traps-released-on-the-tongue-in-one-minute/
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 17, 2012 01:26PM)
They do inspect them. I cant gaff. Normally during a show I will do half springs... I don't think it will work this time.. this is legitimate Guinness records people watching me set these. Sweet Pepper Klopek has the record at 40, I guess I mean I have to do at least 40. I will try for 41 but the way practicing has been going, I will be lucky to do half...
Message: Posted by: Eric the Excellent (Jun 17, 2012 02:13PM)
Ahh, so they are probably going to be the ones providing the traps, huh?

As a medical professional (all three years of school so far), I'd recommend pre-medicating with some anti-inflammatory medicines. Find ones that normally work well for you, look up their onset time and their peak, and take them that far ahead of time. It's not cheating, because they are not analgesia; they're just to keep your tongue from turning into a grapefruit. Also... I'd probably keep them around after the event, too.

Ice is still the most important factor, but that will help as well.

Edit: a compression bandage afterward will help too, but I am not sure they make such things for tongues... You could always ask your dr. for advice about this.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jun 17, 2012 04:06PM)
I know aspirin is a blood-thinner; aren't most OTC anti-inflammatories, too? That would lead to some nasty bruising and possible bleeding.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jun 17, 2012 04:22PM)
How much money is involved in this?, I hope this isn't Free Lunch and we bestow on you lots of applause...
Message: Posted by: Eric the Excellent (Jun 17, 2012 05:39PM)
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On 2012-06-17 17:06, Stephon wrote:
I know aspirin is a blood-thinner; aren't most OTC anti-inflammatories, too? That would lead to some nasty bruising and possible bleeding.
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Aspirin /is/ a blood thinner. However, others are not.

Anti-inflammatories, like Ibuprophin, /reduce/ bruising rather than contributing to it. They do increase the risk of bleeding, but not to the point of worry unless you already have a bleed or are planning invasive surgery.
Message: Posted by: Stephon (Jun 18, 2012 10:22AM)
[quote]
Aspirin /is/ a blood thinner. However, others are not.

Anti-inflammatories, like Ibuprophin, /reduce/ bruising rather than contributing to it. They do increase the risk of bleeding, but not to the point of worry unless you already have a bleed or are planning invasive surgery.
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Thanks!
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jun 18, 2012 02:30PM)
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On 2012-06-17 17:22, The Curator of the Unusual wrote:
How much money is involved in this?, I hope this isn't Free Lunch and we bestow on you lots of applause...
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Gooooooood question!
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 18, 2012 02:42PM)
This is for a new show on TRU tv called "Guinness World Records Gone Wild". They will fly me out to LA. As far as I know It is an all expense paid trip. I may get a little money for appearing (I've read participants get $100... Woopty do...). And I will be on TV... HOPEFULLY good (free) publicity.

Im wondering IF/WHEN I lose, is there a good way to spin this?

Can I say "AS SEEN ON TRU TV" On my website? Is it worth it to just get a free trip to LA if I look bad on cable tv?
Message: Posted by: Zagam (Jun 18, 2012 04:10PM)
Seems like a bad deal to me unless you think you can win. Win or lose your tongue will be messed up for a few days and eating high on the hog on their dime will have to be done before hand. Having said that, I'd probably do it. If nothing else it'll make a great bar story. You only live once and all that.
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 18, 2012 06:29PM)
I would be there for 2 or 3 days and leave very soon after the attempt. I will try to win, but if nothing else, like you say, cool story...
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Jun 18, 2012 09:40PM)
The Guinness shows I've been on have paid ALOT more than that. This new tru tv show is nothing more than a reality show just slightly above the level of America's got talent. My Two Cents.
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 18, 2012 10:07PM)
I havent asked. Maybe ill get more. Its my first tv show, so I'm happy to just be there. Going from a childrens magician in the middle of montana to a natinal tv show? Ill take it...
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Jun 18, 2012 10:45PM)
I've talked to them... good luck getting anything.
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jun 18, 2012 11:03PM)
Free is a Bad precedence to start, on any level...applause without financial backing is just applause...
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 18, 2012 11:50PM)
But what about free publicity? Being on national tv is a big deal in little mt...
Message: Posted by: Eric the Excellent (Jun 19, 2012 12:53AM)
Oh yeah, it is. Heck, if I could get in on this I would do it in a heartbeat.

However, I'm still a young up and coming and I lack the experience and knowledge of some of those posting.

(Also, Stephon: You are most welcome. However, if you were asking about anti-inflammatory drugs and blood thinning because of an underlying condition or malady of yours, it would be best to check with your healthcare provider before beginning dosing with them. You know, just for safety and all.)
Message: Posted by: The Curator of the Unusual (Jun 19, 2012 01:28AM)
I have never performed any intentional injurious act...much less for Free, Although I have broken limbs performing... How many folks in Montana watch Tru?, How many folks in Montana that will watch will Hire you because of it? Bottom line is if you feel it is worth it, Go for it...Free became just another four letter word early on in my Career...
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jun 19, 2012 06:59AM)
The one time I had a horrible rip on stage was during a free show for "publicity". I have heard of Tru, never watched it. Kameron, you need an agent. The Guinness Show you're referring to contacted me about a year ago, their offer was paltry. My agent got them to a bid of $3,000 + expenses. I turned it down as I was already booked for Italy. The GWR company is owned by HIT entertainment (think Muppets). They have LOTS of money. The way they keep having lots of money is by not spending it. It is standard practice for them to NOT pay anyone who appears in their books. I am one of the few people who Guinness ACTUALLY paid to be in the book. They sent out a camera crew to my house and pulled a full out [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk?bcpid=18731164001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAPudZCE~,XX4gHkw25zFiuQUSLkikqQTj_Xskce7I&bclid=0&bctid=609877797001]photo shoot[/url] with a famous British photographer and I got a nice check to boot. I won't disclose HOW much, but I will tell you that had I not had my agent involved, I would have gotten the "free publicity" everyone here seems to love talking about so much.

Kam, if you do end up doing this attempt, make sure you bring a hat to pass around.... you'll need it for the doctor visit bill, lost wages, food, etc. This trip may cost you more than you stand to earn. That's my two bucks.
Message: Posted by: gsidhe (Jun 19, 2012 10:57AM)
As far as I know, there is little you can do to "prepare" for the act beyond figuring out the layout of the traps and how you are going to grab them. There is really nothing you can do to lessen the damage to your tongue.
I did 19 in one minute setting the initial record. I actually did 26 quickly because I did not hear the timer end the session.
My tongue swelled up to about an inch an a half thick and turned black.
Sweet Pepper started bleeding at 27 the first time he tried it.
It was two days before I could talk normally, a week before the bruising went from purple to a normal tongue color and I have a scar across my tongue from the impacts of that day. The edge of my tongue has a slightly scalloped edge.
I still do a lot with mousetraps but will no longer do more then 6 tongue snaps a day. I try to keep it at three or less.
Be careful, watch your teeth and be prepared for some real pain. It is hard to describe a fully bruised tongue. It is quite unique.
Oh...and until the swelling goes down, everything will taste like blood. This is because of all the broken vessels in the tongue...Tastebuds taste things inside your tongue as well.
Best of luck.
Gwyd
Message: Posted by: erikkloeker (Jun 19, 2012 01:01PM)
These Guinness Shows typically aren't funded by the Guinness World Records company itself. In fact it is quite the opposite. A network or TV entity decides they want to have a Guinness show and then they pay GWR for licensing rights as well as the costs of the adjudicators. Having said that, trutv has the money but good luck getting them to fork it out. Gwyd was the first person to hold/break the record as far as I know, his insight should be like gold for you.
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jun 19, 2012 01:54PM)
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On 2012-06-19 14:01, erikkloeker wrote:
trutv has the money but good luck getting them to fork it out.[/quote]

This is where having a manager and an agent come into play. This separates the boys from the men so-to-speak. A performer has NO leverage whatsoever when it comes to compensatory negotiations. I have no skill in that field, my agent DOES however. He also has, lemme see.... 5 decades in the biz with LOTS of leverage. I never worry about having a vendor fork out the money, that's HIS job. MY job is my act, and that's all I need to focus on. That's what makes you a professional.
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 19, 2012 02:39PM)
Gwyds words have been going through my head as soon as I read them.

The way I see it, last year I was wanting to go full time magic/side show. I was working a part time job and hating it. Now I am doing ONLY magic/side show, just got an offer to appear on TV, and just last night got found on a radio show in Boston and they are calling me for an interview tomorrow. I am in talks to fly to Ohio for the highest paying job I have ever got. What I'm saying is, I was expecting to just do kids shows my whole life. To go from working at a subway part time to being on TV and radio is amazing to me. Once this is done and if all goes better, THEN I'll get an agent. Im not expecting the world from this appearance, I want a cool story and a free trip. This is my first huge deal kinda thing for me. It's a step towards something. I'll worry about agents and stuff later. This doesn't seem like the type of thing where I negotiate for thousands. It's the type of thing where if I start to barter, they will just say "never mind"...
Message: Posted by: Harley Newman (Jun 19, 2012 03:22PM)
Agents only want you, when yo don't need them.

Congratulations! You're never done paying your dues, but you'll get to go some interesting places along the road!
Message: Posted by: Kameron Messmer (Jun 20, 2012 11:33PM)
If anyone is still reading this thread, the mouse trap gig fell through. I got the biggest gig I have ever had so far and I had to take it... SO there you go... money won over free publicity...
Message: Posted by: thegreatnippulini (Jun 21, 2012 08:57AM)
Now THAT'S the best decision you've made so far. kudos to you, man! That higher paying gig just gave you a pay raise, keep it up and you will succeed beyond your imagination.
Message: Posted by: Zagam (Jun 21, 2012 04:09PM)
Sounds like a winner. Do the mousetraps on your terms sometime later. Promote it yourself and get all the money. Fortune and glory kid, fortune and glory.