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Topic: Body Language
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Oct 14, 2003 11:27AM)
Body Language-Charles Gauci. Does anyone use this in your act and does it play big?
Message: Posted by: owenscott (Oct 14, 2003 11:34AM)
I came across this today for the first time. Looks interesting.
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 14, 2003 11:47AM)
Is odds 1:2 convincing enough?
Message: Posted by: rowdymagi5 (Oct 14, 2003 11:51AM)
Are you saying that the odds are not 100 percent as advertised?
Message: Posted by: copterchris (Oct 14, 2003 11:56AM)
I started a thread about Body Language in Secret Sessions :

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=44524&forum=37

The odds *are* 100%

Thanks,

Chris
Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 14, 2003 12:11PM)
Ooopps, uh oh, sorry guys,
I mixed this up with the other Gauci effect, Silver Medallion where you tell what hand the spectactor hides a medallion in.

I was a little too fast on that one.

When it comes to Body Language, I have never seen it. However, it builds on MM's Kurotsuke which is very good.

I have done Kurotsuke and left my audience stunned about this effect. Mr Gauci has apparently made this effect even more safe.
My only objection is, that it might not look innocent enough.

The props needed for Kurotsuke is a paper bag and some marbles or whatever you can find - typically everyday stuff.

Mr Gauci's improvement comes with gold balls, a bag etc, and a suspicious audience might smell "magic store"

It would be interesting with a review when any of you get it.
Sven
Message: Posted by: Brandon (Oct 14, 2003 01:01PM)
I agree--for a mentalist, I wouldn't recommend this effect. But that all depends upon your presentational style. I wouldn't think for most magician's that it would fit in. It's a little "showy".

Brandon
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Oct 14, 2003 03:41PM)
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On 2003-10-14 14:01, Brandon wrote:
I agree--for a mentalist, I wouldn't recommend this effect. But that all depends upon your presentational style. I wouldn't think for most magician's that it would fit in. It's a little "showy".

Brandon
[/quote]Brandon,

I have substituted clear (quartz) stones, and a black stone. I have increased the number of stones to 11. I use a brushed cotton sack that Crown Royale whiskey comes in. I use the effect in the classroom (adult students) where I tell a story about the "black stone of death--" a lottery method used by pirates to decide whom to throw overboard when food supplies were too scarce to feed the entire crew. The students love it.

I prefer it to Kurotsuke since the students can count and place the stones in the bag without my having to touch them. Also, at one point in the presentation, you can just let the students pass the bag around for the draw... you don't have to touch it. It might be (unlike in Kurotsuke) any one of the students at any position who draws the black stone. The memory that is left is that you never handled the bag.

Like many of Charles' effects, [i]Body Language[/i] lends itself to different presentational angles. The props can be changed to eliminate the glitz.

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On 2003-10-14 13:11, Sven wrote:
Ooopps, uh oh, sorry guys,
I mixed this up with the other Gauci effect, Silver Medallion where you tell what hand the spectactor hides a medallion in.

I was a little too fast on that one. [i][by asking "Is odds 1:2 convincing enough?" -- Note for clarity by Clarkson][/i] [/quote]
Sven, it is true that if you do the [i]Eye to Eye[/i] only once, the probability of a correct guess is 1/2. The probability of two successful guesses in a row is 1/4; of three successful guesses in row, 1/8 and so on. The impact of [i]Eye to Eye[/i] is cumulative; moreovever, Charles' routine wagers high stakes ($100.00 per guess) to heighten interest. It plays well, especially if you use more than 1 spectator. Three successful guesses with each of two spectators only has a probability of 1/64 -- pretty impressive.

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[quote]Mr Gauci's improvement comes with gold balls, a bag etc, and a suspicious audience might smell "magic store"

It would be interesting with a review when any of you get it.
Sven
[/quote]As to [i]Body Language[/i], see my post, above. I've been using it for over a year. I have modified the props, but the effect is the same. I use it in my classroom and almost always at the end of the semester, several students mention the effect. It is one they remember vividly.

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Message: Posted by: Sven Rygh (Oct 15, 2003 12:51AM)
John,
I buy what you say about Silver Medallion, more guesses - better results :)

When it comes to Body Language, your clarifying of it makes it far more interesting.

I was not aware of that you could change the props (I read :change them completely?) and if the spectators can handle the bag and stones as freely as you describe, this starts to look pretty amazing!

Maybe I should take a closer look into this anyway, and concider whether to get this.

Regards,
Sven :coffee:


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I just had a look on the video clip of Body Language, and I have to admit that it loks pretty convincing. That is, except for the props which might be associated with magic tricks.

However, if the golden bag and balls can be substituted with something else, it wouldn't be any problem

Maybe this question belongs more in the secret sessions in the forum but I'll give it a try. I don't want anyone to give me the secret/method, but is it possible to use a paper bag for this routine?
Sven
Message: Posted by: roman59 (Oct 15, 2003 04:45AM)
Yes Sven you can use an ordinary brown paper bag, it will work just as well as the bag supplied.

I have actually changed mine for a small hessian sack that you get bath cubes in.

Hope this helps

Cheers
Mark
Message: Posted by: mrfluffy (Oct 15, 2003 08:33AM)
You wouldn't have to use the props that Gaucci uses.

I perform a similar effect with 5 jokers, a king and 6 ungimmicked envelopes and the obvious gimmick on my outer thigh.

I can tell you it plays very big !

PM if you want.
Message: Posted by: fleischer (Oct 17, 2003 09:13AM)
Friends,

I have used Karutsuke, but it has some weak points. Where can I find the effect as described above? It seems to suit my personal performing style. And the presentation with the pirates are great!
Message: Posted by: John Clarkson (Oct 17, 2003 09:43AM)
Hocus Pocus Magic is the exclusive U.S. distributor. http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/ You may need to do a search. Use "Gauci". I'm glad you like the pirate presentation I use. Please note, though, that I have modified the props somewhat. I think the originals are cool, but pirates would never use such fancy-looking balls!

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Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 12, 2010 09:20PM)
I have posed a question related to this discussion on a "fresh" thread with a more specific title to the post.

I picked up on John Clarkson's earlier post (Oct. 14, 2003) that suggests the viability of performing Body Language using 11 marbles instead of the traditional 3 marbles. I am even wondering if a total of an "unlucky" 13 might be effectively used in a modified presentation of BL or of Kurotsuke.

Please visit my new thread at:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=351799&forum=15#0

I look forward to reading your thoughts, insights, suggestions, comments.

many thanks in advance!

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: dr z (Feb 12, 2010 09:42PM)
Jlevey your math friend might not know math so good.....???? the odds of 5 "guesses" in a row is not 50%..... maybe I don't understand what you mean????
Message: Posted by: Mr. Mindbender (Feb 12, 2010 09:44PM)
Leave it to a math guy to spoil all the fun!

I'm not a big math guy myself, but I do know that you can make numbers tell many different stories. For example, although he's right that your last choice is 50/50 -- what are the odds of you getting the entire sequence correct. On the first marble it is 20%, the next is 25%, the third is 33%, and the fourth is 50%. Again, not a number cruncher, but isn't the odds of getting all four perfectly correct a 1 in 120? (5x4x3x2)

I could be wrong, but think that's about right.

But as you pointed out, it's not as much about the numbers as it is the presentation. In fact, you could talk about the odds getting easier as you go along, but at the same time, getting harder to be right every single step of the way -- but the bottom line is, right now, at this moment, the odds are actually 100% because you just saw spectator #1 exhibit the tell tale sign of lying, he licked his lips (or whatever you want to say) and now you're absolutely, 100% positive that he's the one holding the black marble!

Take your bow (and your marble back).
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 12, 2010 09:45PM)
Dear Dr. Z... first of all, I apologize, I had a typo in the second paragraph... instead of suggesting that the traditional method used "3" marbles, of course, I meant to say it uses "5" marbles... and you are right, my math is terrible, so I welcome those who have a good grasp of the math to enlighten me and teach me the proper odds and percentages of hits and misses for this great effect.

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 12, 2010 09:57PM)
Mr. Mindbender thoguhtfully wrote...

"...But as you pointed out, it's not as much about the numbers as it is the presentation. In fact, you could talk about the odds getting easier as you go along, but at the same time, getting harder to be right every single step of the way -- but the bottom line is, right now, at this moment, the odds are actually 100% because you just saw spectator #1 exhibit the tell tale sign of lying, he licked his lips (or whatever you want to say) and now you're absolutely, 100% positive that he's the one holding the black marble!

Take your bow (and your marble back)."
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Jonathan responded by saying...

"...All great points, Mr. Mindbender.

But from what I recall, you leave the black for last to uncover --well sort of simultaneously if yo take Max Maven's great (and dramatic) approach of staring at one of the last two volunteers as if you are about to accuse them of holding the black, then swinging round in a flash to face the other volunteer and confidently accuse him of having the black and back to the other who has "the white... or something like that. Or, Mr. Mind Bender, do you affirm your decision, that the person holding the black marble is that person earlier on in the sequence?

Please describe the sequence to your routine, if yo are comfortable doing so.

Many thanks."

Jonathan

PS: At this point I would like to suggest that future comments be posted at on the following thread that is more specific to the discussion at hand at:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=351799&forum=15#0
Message: Posted by: John C (Feb 13, 2010 12:14PM)
I read in a review that the outcome of body language isn't always guaranteed. Is this correct?

J
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Feb 13, 2010 03:58PM)
Why not use childs play? The routine is basically the same but is sure fire and stealthy.

Ron
Message: Posted by: Lord Of The Horses (Feb 13, 2010 04:15PM)
I guess Ron did mean you don't have two possible routes to take, but always the same.

However, being guilty myself of many modifications, I never had a single problem in performing Kurotsuke as per Max excellent instructions.
Message: Posted by: mrmagic0 (Feb 13, 2010 05:21PM)
Childs play can also be repeated plus you can also do which hand if you want all in the same performance. I would notdo it but you could.

Ron
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 13, 2010 10:29PM)
Attention John Cesta, and other fellow Café members who might be reading this thread...

After re-visiting Max Maven's wonderful performance of his Kurotsuke effect on his Videominds, Phase One, Parlor Mentalism, DVD, I must re-tract what I said about Kurotsuke not being fail-safe. I was wrong. Kurotsuke "is" 100 percent fail-safe!

If you think it isn't, like I previously did, then you do not understand the method.

My sincere apologies to Max Maven for making such an erroneous statement. I obviously did not recall the method correctly and I needed to go back and review his brilliant performance of Kurotsuke along with his very instructive explanation of the method.

And I encourage everyone not "in the know", to study and enjoy Max's ingenious Kurotsuke effect and performance which can be found on his VideoMind series (Phase One, Parlor Mentalism)at:

http://www.llpub.com/zenshop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1332

I hope this sets the record straight.

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 14, 2010 07:15PM)
...back to the specific subject at hand, started by rowdymagi5 back in 23003, The question that he kicked this thread off with in the Penny for Your Thoughts section of the Café...

"Body Language-Charles Gauci. Does anyone use this in your act and does it play big? "

is as relevant today as it was back then. Perhaps more so, in that since that time many more performers have been presenting this great effect with their own special twist and modifications. These fellow members have a great deal of additional insights and experiences to share that will help those of us that are relatively new to this effect bring their presentation up a few notches.


So, please continue to post your comments, insights and experiences here on this ongoing thread for all to see.

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: mental4u (Feb 15, 2010 04:37PM)
I have used it for years and it is outstanding. It uses 5 marbles, 1 black and 4 that are white/gray. This effect leaves nothing to be desired. It is fun and the audience can relate to a real world skill in which you have the ability to tell when the audience members are lying. This hits home like you would not believe. It is fun to do and very easy. In fact it cannot fail, if you can remember who had the black marble. And you will know.

As Chuck Hickok would say this is mentalism light. It is not a mind reading trick. I use it second in my show and I give it my highest recommendation.

Replace the ring that Charles gives you, is one additional tip.

Gregg Lancaster
Mental Masterpieces
College Station, Texas
Message: Posted by: TYMANSHINDO (Feb 17, 2010 10:09AM)
It's great! I've lectured for business managers, police, students and it fits any presentational spin you wish to give it. Body language, micro expressions, character assessment, predictions etc etc. It truly does the cliched 'packs small plays big', whether its just a handful during walkaround or a stage performance in front of hundreds, it caters for all types of presentations. And lets not forget the objects; marbles, coins, drawings on business cards! It can be an opener, a closer or a segue into something else like psychometry, again as the cliche goes "Limited only by your imagination!"

Charles Gauci's body language was virtually the first effect I ever did and over the years, in my efforts to improve, I reached the point of doing it gimmickless ala thought channel. Some day I hope to do it propless too, just all in the mind, do do do do do do.

I owe Body Language a debt of gratitude as I learned not just a great routine, but also a lot about the importance of presentation, performance, character and dare I say, successful geist, in order to make this and subsequently other effects memorable.