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Topic: American War of Independence resulted in establishment of Australia
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Jul 21, 2012 11:54PM)
I've been reading a lot of early Australian history.

After the American War of Independence, England could no longer ship her prisoners there. The disease ridden, filthy prisons and the prison hulks rotting on the Thames were a drain on the public purse and not nice for the amenity of surrounding districts. As people were locked up for years for stealing as little as a handkerchief or loaf of bread, something had to be done and the idea of exporting the problem to New Holland (now Australia) was hit upon.

This was after the Government entertained some rather more hideous ideas like putting them on an island up a river in Africa to fend for themselves, knowing they would die.

A fleet was assembled and after a couple of years planning it set sail to the ends of the world to a place only one ship was known to have visited before - Captain Cook's Endeavour - and while quite a few people died on the 8 month trip, they eventually reached Sydney Harbour and built a settlement.

On another note, I had not ever considered that there were Americans who supported the British during the War of Independence. The wealthy of these made their way to England where they believed there would be some reward for their support, their property having been confiscated in the US. There was initially talk of setting them up in a new colony somewhere but in the end they were left to fend for themselves and no compensation was forthcoming.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 22, 2012 12:32AM)
Yup, loyalist or Tories headed to Canada in a lot of cases. Benjamin Franklin, the first hippy, had a son who was a loyalist yet his son, Bens grandson, was a patriot. I think only about half the population was into independence but the Brits did things that made folks change their mind. Ben Franklin getting the French to supposedly help out is the key to our victory. Glad we did our part in sending rotting ships full of convicts to Australia....that is why we love Aussies so much, that and croc rastlin.
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 22, 2012 12:58AM)
I've been reading a lot of early Australian history. :) The whole page?
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 22, 2012 01:33AM)
Hey at least you guys shot down the Red Baron even though Canada trie to steal your glory
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Jul 22, 2012 01:36AM)
Message: Posted by: motown (Jul 22, 2012 03:00PM)
On 2012-07-22 02:33, MagicSanta wrote:
Hey at least you guys shot down the Red Baron even though Canada trie to steal your glory
[/quote]The History of the Red Baron's death is quite interesting and it's believed that he was shot by someone on the ground, not a pilot.

Fasinating character.
Message: Posted by: S2000magician (Jul 22, 2012 06:40PM)
Dear Destiny:

You're welcome.

Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 22, 2012 06:52PM)
My favorite Oz is Evonne Goolagong since I just knew she was going to win and had a good bet on her.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 22, 2012 06:59PM)
The revolution motivated the French revoluion. Historically France found a way to win by beating themselves.
Message: Posted by: landmark (Jul 22, 2012 07:11PM)
On 2012-07-22 19:52, tommy wrote:
My favorite Oz is Evonne Goolagong since I just knew she was going to win and had a good bet on her.
Mine is Mrs. Landmark. :)
Message: Posted by: tommy (Jul 22, 2012 07:26PM)

Also Crisp. Great horse!
Message: Posted by: Payne (Jul 22, 2012 08:59PM)
On 2012-07-22 19:59, MagicSanta wrote:
The revolution motivated the French revolution. Historically France found a way to win by beating themselves.

The monetary support for the American revolution from the French government also helped to further destabilize their economy which lead to further civil unrest amongst their citizenry.

Who knows? If they had left well enough alone we still might be a British holding and the French monarchy might not have ever fallen.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Jul 22, 2012 09:12PM)
Speaking of history, I just learned that Canada defeated the USA in the USA's attempt to take over Canada, and that the USA didn't show up for WWII until the war was pretty much over. I'm wondering who has spread more propaganda into the world than the USA? No offense to my good USA neighbours. Just found this stuff out after realizing the schools don't always teach the truth when it comes to history. You should see how our education treats native people of our country when educating others about them.

Does anyone know how close the USA is in accomplishing their 100 year old mission to take over the world? (lol) Sorry, my conspiracy humour got the best of me. ;)
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 22, 2012 10:19PM)
No, the british won victories in what is now the agreement known aas Canada. In WW2 the US was the key to victory in Europ, a theatre of war inwhich over 200000 US military personel gave their lives. Only an idiot would even imagine the US came in at the end. If you want that scenerio look at the USSR and the war against Japan. I would advise you contact your history teacher and kick their arse for lying and making you appear foolish.

Welcome by the way!
Message: Posted by: Kevin Connolly (Jul 22, 2012 10:36PM)
I have to agree that Danny should kick his history teacher or more likely, stay off the internet. :)
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 22, 2012 10:37PM)
My favorite Australians are Michael J. "Crocodile" Dundee, and Albert Einstein; the guy who put bubbles in beer. In that order.
Because Crocodile Dundee is almost exactly like my Grandpa, only with a different accent.
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Jul 22, 2012 10:53PM)

Sorry, my conspiracy humour got the best of me. ;)

Typical Americans to miss the point of my post. (lol) I'm jesting with you all, and two of you thought I was serious despite my final remarks. Even to the point of flaming me for it. Wow! Maybe next time I'll capitalize, "SORRY, MY CONSPIRACY HUMOUR GOT THE BEST OF ME".
Message: Posted by: Danny Kazam (Jul 22, 2012 11:00PM)
By the way, Canada was already established and under then British territory.

U.S. leaders were confident of easily taking over our neighbor to the north. William Eustis, the U.S. Secretary for War declared: "We can take the Canadas without soldiers, we have only to send officers into the province and the people . . . will rally round our standard." John C. Calhoun claimed that "In four weeks from the time that a declaration of war is heard on our frontier, the whole of Canada will be in our possession." James Madison similarly proclaimed that "[t]he acquisition of Canada this year will be a mere matter of marching," and Henry Clay boasted, "I trust I shall not be deemed presumptuous when I state that I verily believe that the militia of Kentucky are alone competent to place Montreal and Upper Canada at your feet."

The military history of the United States during World War II covers the World War II against Japan, Germany and Italy starting with the 7 December 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor. Until that time, the United States had maintained formal neutrality, while supplying Britain, the Soviet Union and China with war material through Lend-Lease, as well as deploying the US military to replace the British invasion forces in Iceland (for early US combat activity in the Pacific Theater, see the Flying Tigers). During the war over 16 million Americans served in the United States military, with 290,000 killed in action and 670,000 wounded.[1] Key civilian advisors to President Franklin D. Roosevelt included Secretary of War Henry Stimson, who mobilized the nation's industries and induction centers to supply the Army, commanded by Gen. George C. Marshall and the Air Force under Gen. Hap Arnold. The Navy, led by Admiral Ernest King, proved more autonomous. Overall priorities were set by Roosevelt and the Joint Chiefs, chaired by William D. Leahy. Highest priority went to the defeat of Germany in Europe, but first the war against Japan in the Pacific was more urgent after the sinking of the main battleship fleet at Pearl Harbor.

I am forever thankful to our American, Canadian and British Armies who helped establish the peace we have today!
Message: Posted by: Destiny (Jul 23, 2012 01:29AM)
It is accepted by 100% of the Australian population, even those who don't very much like the US, that they saved our arse in WW2.
Message: Posted by: MagicSanta (Jul 23, 2012 02:12PM)
We love all Australians even if all y'all don't love us.
Message: Posted by: critter (Jul 23, 2012 02:17PM)
Yeah, no worries :D
Message: Posted by: Woland (Jul 23, 2012 08:16PM)
The northernmost "battle" of the War Between the States was a bank robbery in Vermont carried out by Confederates who crossed the border from Canada and escaped the same way. But you may have been thinking of the abortive Fenian plan, a few years later, to capture Canada and trade it back to England in exchange for Irish Independence.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jul 23, 2012 10:20PM)
How horribly, funnily, beautifully wrong William Eustis was. Thank goodness for his idiocy, and thank goodness for The combined forces of the British, the canadians, and our brave indigenous peoples.
Message: Posted by: magicfish (Jul 23, 2012 10:22PM)
Or we'd all be saying "huh" instead oh "eh".