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Topic: The Perfect World (DVD and Deck) Mago Migue and Luis De Matos
Message: Posted by: DaveS (Aug 2, 2012 07:03PM)
Tannen's latest email includes the following descrption:

Mago Migue's rendition of the Paul Curry classic takes it into new territory. Four spectators shuffle a deck of cards and without looking at the faces try to guess which are the black cards and which are the red. It sounds impossible but when the packets of cards are turned over the incredible has happened. The spectators have separated all the red cards from all the black cards. This is a brand new approach to a sensational effect. The deck is genuinely shuffled by the spectators. No sleight of hand. None of the usual switching of packets or marker cards. The handling is super clean and the routine plays big. Use it in close up or for a larger audience. Comes complete with a special deck of cards that the audience can freely handle and yet makes the trick possible. You can even use it for other card tricks. $35

Anyone familiar with this handling?
DaveS
Message: Posted by: DaveS (Aug 6, 2012 09:46AM)
Anyone familiar with this handling of Out of This World?
Dave
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 10, 2012 01:04AM)
I'm also interested in this if anyone has any more info or a review?
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 10, 2012 11:19AM)
I have it and like it very much. The spectators can shuffle the deck, in Miguel's presentation he let every spectator shuffle each one a packet, and they give him the cards in any order they want.
You get a special deck to accomplish the effect (but in reality it opens much more possibilities to other effects), which you can even give to the spectator to take home and they won't find anything.
I love OOTW, I like his presentation and I love his method.

P.D: you can use the deck for any other effect in your repertoire.

Two thumbs up!

Nico.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 10, 2012 02:08PM)
Shame you need 4 specs for this effect.
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 10, 2012 03:28PM)
You don't need four spectators to perform the effect successfully.
I performed it with two today, didn't need any readjustments.
Cheers,
Nico.
Message: Posted by: baobow (Aug 10, 2012 06:11PM)
Isn't mago migue aka miguel puga the 2003 fism card magic champion? he hasn't released many effects (not that I know of) so would be very interested in what he has created
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 10, 2012 08:18PM)
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On 2012-08-10 19:11, baobow wrote:
Isn't mago migue aka miguel puga the 2003 fism card magic champion? he hasn't released many effects (not that I know of) so would be very interested in what he has created
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Yes, Mago Migue is Miguel Puga. He Really is a genius.
He has a nice download on here:
http://store.enfilo.com/MagoMigue-Face-Up-Faces-Face-Down-Faces-Caras-para-Arriba-Cartas-para-Abajo.html

I still prefer "The Perfect World" (althought very different effects).

Nico.
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 11, 2012 01:28AM)
Thanks for the info Nico, I love OOTW effects, they always seem to get great reactions. I've been looking for a demo but had no luck......any idea's where I can find one?

Thanks in advance.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 11, 2012 06:40AM)
I just ordered this. Hope to post my thoughts after I receive and watched.
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 12, 2012 05:57AM)
I just can't find the trailer.
Anyway, it is not a walk round piece (like any other version of this effect); on the other hand if you really like OOTW, and like to study it's variations, like me, I don't see what you have to loose by getting this DVD. The production is top notch, it's in english, there is a section called TICSIE (Things I can't say in english), where he gives some insight on the story and how he came up with his version, all with subtitles.
Nico.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 17, 2012 09:50AM)
I have now received this and played with it. Quite frankly, I am not sure why this is not getting more comments. This is REALLY good. It is a OOTW where the spectators can look at the cards, shuffle them and then the magic happens. No sleights are needed. The special deck is perfect. This is a version of OOTW I will use. My highest recommendation.
Message: Posted by: doriancaudal (Aug 17, 2012 09:56AM)
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On 2012-08-11 02:28, Pompey2L.A. wrote:
Thanks for the info Nico, I love OOTW effects, they always seem to get great reactions. I've been looking for a demo but had no luck......any idea's where I can find one?

Thanks in advance.
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I would also be interested to find a trailer!
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 17, 2012 11:19AM)
I understand that generally we need a trailer to guide us, or to convince us, even if in some cases they only misguide us...
Well, here, everything happens as in the presentation described, an it is a version of OOTW. I mean, even if you see the trailer I don't think it will convince you. The important factor is the freedom that the method permits you; and it's simplicity.
And if you like Out Of This World.

Nico.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 17, 2012 11:57AM)
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On 2012-08-17 12:19, dunlop wrote:
I understand that generally we need a trailer to guide us, or to convince us, even if in some cases they only misguide us...
Well, here, everything happens as in the presentation described, an it is a version of OOTW. I mean, even if you see the trailer I don't think it will convince you. The important factor is the freedom that the method permits you; and it's simplicity.
And if you like Out Of This World.

Nico.
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Agree with you Dunlop. I have no interest in this product whatsoever--I just purchased it and gave my honest views.
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 17, 2012 02:18PM)
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On 2012-08-17 10:50, brehaut wrote:
I have now received this and played with it. Quite frankly, I am not sure why this is not getting more comments. This is REALLY good. It is a OOTW where the spectators can look at the cards, shuffle them and then the magic happens. No sleights are needed. The special deck is perfect. This is a version of OOTW I will use. My highest recommendation.
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I'm also with you, I don't understand why there isn't buzz around this.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Aug 17, 2012 03:37PM)
Lack of buzz could be:

1) There is no trailer.
2) It's OOTW which can be done with a normal/borrowed deck.
3) The ad doesn't say what brand/color back deck you receive.

Hobbyists buy most of all the new magic and the ad leaves them cold.
Message: Posted by: professorwhut (Aug 17, 2012 05:05PM)
There seems to be several new items out by these very same folks. They all look interesting.
However, there are no trailers, for any of them that I can find, only an old (long) You Tube video of one of the effects, can't recall which one.

So, I too will hang on to my money for now.
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 17, 2012 05:16PM)
Just a couple of questions if someone would be so kind to answer them ....

Can the special deck be examined?

Can this be done 1-1 or do you need a minimum of two spectators?

Thanks in advance.....
Message: Posted by: rjs (Aug 17, 2012 05:26PM)
You get Bicycles.

There's something special about the deck you receive , even though you can't see anything!

Clever!
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 17, 2012 05:46PM)
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On 2012-08-17 18:16, Pompey2L.A. wrote:
Just a couple of questions if someone would be so kind to answer them ....

Can the special deck be examined?

Can this be done 1-1 or do you need a minimum of two spectators?

Thanks in advance.....
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It can be examined, and you can even give as a souvenir to one of your spectators, they won't find anything! (in fact they do almost all the handling through the effect).

Nico.
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 17, 2012 05:48PM)
It can be done 1 on 1, but I think it's better with two spectators.
Message: Posted by: Billybonkers (Aug 17, 2012 05:55PM)
Thank you dunlop, I think I'll take the plunge.......
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Aug 17, 2012 06:19PM)
Maybe the Wizard Product Review will look at this. I don't always agree with the reviews, but you get to see them perform the trick.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 17, 2012 07:06PM)
Honestly, there isn't much to see---its OOTW. If someone has any interest in OOTW and they don't get this I believe it is their loss.
Message: Posted by: dunlop (Aug 17, 2012 08:15PM)
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On 2012-08-17 20:06, brehaut wrote:
Honestly, there isn't much to see---its OOTW. If someone has any interest in OOTW and they don't get this I believe it is their loss.
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Exactly.
Message: Posted by: korttihai_82 (Aug 18, 2012 09:04PM)
This has its strenghts over common versions but also the weaknesses.

Pros:
Biggest plus is that the deck is really shuffles by the spectator and if they chose to do so, they can even check the cards. No common "Hey, why do I have only red cards" sneaky business going on. They really do have all different cards.

There is a way to clean up the normal OOTW "mark card" switch that is seen in many versions with gaffs or nice way to cover it also with attitude.

Although the deck is gaffed it can be used to pretty much any other normal deck card effect as well. Not sure if you like to do so cos the deck isn't really cheap but you could. Very few laymen would find out what is going on with it. Magicians might rather easily after seeing the routine performed.

Cons:
Even though the spectators can choose if the card is red or black, it is the magician who must deal the card into the pile. Also you cant do this with just 2 piles as in many other versions. You must have four. Two to black cards and two to red ones. While wathing the performance I immediately questioned the reasoning for this? There seemed to be no reason why magician was tossing some red cards to other red pile and some others to other... This comes up even harder to motivate with just one spectator.

It is still gaffed deck as is Dill/Weber new world that is still the cleanest possible OOTW but requires more spectator management than this one. And of course Dill/Weber one cant be examined but why anyone would want to anyway?

Or if someone wants to do this at platform where this seems to be well suited then Robert Mansila's routine is better and ends up totally examinable.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Aug 22, 2012 02:14PM)
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On 2012-08-17 20:06, brehaut wrote:
Honestly, there isn't much to see---its OOTW. If someone has any interest in OOTW and they don't get this I believe it is their loss.
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I disagree with this. I have a version of OOTW & T&R, that I have kept close to me for years. They both looks way different than any OOTW or T&R out there. If I were to sell them, I most definitely would have a demo, so everyone would see that there IS a difference. If it's not different and it's just OOTW, than I guess you are right...no need for a demo. And if that's the case, why bother buying it?

Also, I am not saying that this is the case with this effect, but typically, now-a-days if there isn't a demo, it typically means that the method is evident to those with a bit of knowledge.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 22, 2012 02:55PM)
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On 2012-08-22 15:14, tmoca wrote:
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On 2012-08-17 20:06, brehaut wrote:
Honestly, there isn't much to see---its OOTW. If someone has any interest in OOTW and they don't get this I believe it is their loss.
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I disagree with this. I have a version of OOTW & T&R, that I have kept close to me for years. They both looks way different than any OOTW or T&R out there. If I were to sell them, I most definitely would have a demo, so everyone would see that there IS a difference. If it's not different and it's just OOTW, than I guess you are right...no need for a demo. And if that's the case, why bother buying it?

Also, I am not saying that this is the case with this effect, but typically, now-a-days if there isn't a demo, it typically means that the method is evident to those with a bit of knowledge.
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I understand your statement but I just disagree with your conclusion---I really don't know why there isn't a demo but I can say that the method would not be "evident" from a demo.
Message: Posted by: paperinick (Aug 22, 2012 03:04PM)
I found a demo on youtube and I have to say that I like this version.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Aug 22, 2012 04:19PM)
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On 2012-08-22 15:55, brehaut wrote:
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On 2012-08-22 15:14, tmoca wrote:
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On 2012-08-17 20:06, brehaut wrote:
Honestly, there isn't much to see---its OOTW. If someone has any interest in OOTW and they don't get this I believe it is their loss.
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I disagree with this. I have a version of OOTW & T&R, that I have kept close to me for years. They both looks way different than any OOTW or T&R out there. If I were to sell them, I most definitely would have a demo, so everyone would see that there IS a difference. If it's not different and it's just OOTW, than I guess you are right...no need for a demo. And if that's the case, why bother buying it?

Also, I am not saying that this is the case with this effect, but typically, now-a-days if there isn't a demo, it typically means that the method is evident to those with a bit of knowledge.
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I understand your statement but I just disagree with your conclusion---I really don't know why there isn't a demo but I can say that the method would not be "evident" from a demo.
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Fair enough...but you can note as I originally said, I wasn't saying this was the case here. I just made a general statement.

Regardless if it IS an improvement, why not promote it? And what better way to promote it than to see it?

If you were to walk into a brick and mortar shop (man do I miss those) and ask to see it demoed, providing the dealer knew how to do it, if he refused to show you wouldn't that make you hesitate a bit on the purchase? I think the same thing holds true now with online demos.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Aug 22, 2012 04:34PM)
Demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r6ZjsSgKpE
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Aug 22, 2012 04:56PM)
Looks very similar in method to Cosmos by Greg Rostami.
Message: Posted by: tmoca (Aug 22, 2012 05:33PM)
Yikes....the demo DOES in deed tip a vital move....not good.
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 22, 2012 06:41PM)
I thought the review in marketplace of the mind was fair
Message: Posted by: baobow (Aug 23, 2012 02:36AM)
Great performance and demo, based on the demo, I'll be getting both this and Dill/Weber New World to see the comparisons between both routines. I am sure the way the deck is gimmicked that it doesn't just limit it to a OOTW presentation and that there are many other effects possible
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 23, 2012 07:36AM)
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On 2012-08-23 03:36, baobow wrote:
Great performance and demo, based on the demo, I'll be getting both this and Dill/Weber New World to see the comparisons between both routines. I am sure the way the deck is gimmicked that it doesn't just limit it to a OOTW presentation and that there are many other effects possible
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Very true statement Baobow
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 24, 2012 08:03AM)
The Dill/Webber deck is a one deck trick and can't be used for other effects . The perfect world deck can be used as a normal deck but then if you wear it out, you have to buy another expensive deck to use instead of the $2 bike deck .

Looking at the demo, there is a way of perform the effect using a normal bike deck , having a reason for 4 not 2 markers, reduce the effect time and to play 1 on 1 ..

I have sent the idea to a few knowledge guys to look at , to be sure not re-inventing the wheel.

Andy
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Aug 24, 2012 06:51PM)
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On 2012-08-24 09:03, a brown 1968 wrote:
The Dill/Webber deck is a one deck trick and can't be used for other effects . The perfect world deck can be used as a normal deck but then if you wear it out, you have to buy another expensive deck to use instead of the $2 bike deck .

Looking at the demo, there is a way of perform the effect using a normal bike deck , having a reason for 4 not 2 markers, reduce the effect time and to play 1 on 1 ..

I have sent the idea to a few knowledge guys to look at , to be sure not re-inventing the wheel.

Andy
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Andy, keep in mind with the perfect world deck the performer does not even have to look down at the cards
Message: Posted by: a brown 1968 (Aug 25, 2012 07:44AM)
Brehaut,

Not having to look down can aid in the process but not essential.. when a person hands you a card it is natural to look at what you are taking..and less natural not to..

If you tell spectators to focus on red or black , you only need two piles and not 4 . This is a weakness... other versions do not have...effects are about compromises and which ones you prefer to accept
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Aug 27, 2012 03:21AM)
This is like Cosmos that I released several years ago.

In my opinion there are two weaknesses to this presentation (even though I think it's kinda clever)

I like the tactile feature of determining the colors, but using four piles seems unmotivated.
The magician places the cards on the correct pile wihtout any explanation as to why he sometimes chooses one red pile over another.

When I released Cosmos, my motivation of four piles was two spectators in a race. Or if you perform for one spec, the spec is in a race with you.

Greg Rostami
Message: Posted by: Markymark (Aug 27, 2012 07:38AM)
Thank's Greg,that is actually right on the button!
Did I imagine it or are you bringing out a new version?
Thank's,Mark
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Aug 27, 2012 03:45PM)
Hi Mark,

Yes, I am going to release a new version of Cosmos.

It's called Cosmos 2. It's very different from the first Cosmos. I'm still trying to decide who I should release it with.

I hope It'll be released before the end of the year.
Greg Rostami
Message: Posted by: insight (Nov 13, 2012 07:12AM)
Can every single card be examined by the spectator, even the first 4 cards that are used to create the piles?

Regards,
Mike

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On 2012-08-17 18:46, dunlop wrote:
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On 2012-08-17 18:16, Pompey2L.A. wrote:
Just a couple of questions if someone would be so kind to answer them ....

Can the special deck be examined?

Can this be done 1-1 or do you need a minimum of two spectators?

Thanks in advance.....
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It can be examined, and you can even give as a souvenir to one of your spectators, they won't find anything! (in fact they do almost all the handling through the effect).

Nico.
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Message: Posted by: sthielman (Feb 2, 2013 10:21AM)
Just got this effect after positive review in Genii, but I have to say, the deck that I received does not allow for a 100% sure fire result. This is not a matter of practice. To say more would expose too much, but this deck has not been perfected.
Message: Posted by: mossymanmo (Feb 16, 2013 04:13PM)
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On 2013-02-02 11:21, sthielman wrote:
Just got this effect after positive review in Genii, but I have to say, the deck that I received does not allow for a 100% sure fire result. This is not a matter of practice. To say more would expose too much, but this deck has not been perfected.
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I'm having the same problem and I can't imagine anyone doing this smoothly enough for it to be effective. Is it possible there is a quality control issue with the decks?
Message: Posted by: mossymanmo (Feb 20, 2013 12:46PM)
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On 2013-02-16 17:13, mossymanmo wrote:

I'm having the same problem and I can't imagine anyone doing this smoothly enough for it to be effective. Is it possible there is a quality control issue with the decks?
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I think I was hasty in my previous criticism of the deck. The method is very clever and works fine given enough practice. The fact that you won't have 100% accuracy without considerable pactice also means that the spectator will never discover the secret. There is no quality control issue with the decks.
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Feb 20, 2013 03:28PM)
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On 2012-08-27 16:45, Greg Rostami wrote:
Hi Mark,

Yes, I am going to release a new version of Cosmos.

It's called Cosmos 2. It's very different from the first Cosmos. I'm still trying to decide who I should release it with.

I hope It'll be released before the end of the year.
Greg Rostami
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So Gregg what's the hold up my friend?
Message: Posted by: Mokeymag (Nov 11, 2013 01:00AM)
I am thinking about purchasing this effect, however I am concerned about the fact that you must use 4 indicator cards (2 black and 2 red) Has anyone who has performed this trick had any spectators question the fact that you have 2 red cards and 2 black cards and why you just wouldn't have one pile for reds and one pile for blacks.