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Topic: Element 80 by Precept magic review
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 8, 2012 09:36PM)
Element 80 by Precept magic

The description-
Element 80 gives you the ability to manipulate metal instantly. You can mangle a fork, twist a key, or bend a quarter with spectators watching closely as you perform this amazing feat of strength! If that isnít unbelievable enough, Element 80 allows you to do this cleanly and within seconds with virtually no effort and can be reset and done over and over again. The magician uses regular objects that can be given to the spectator to take home after the effect has been performed.

The gimmick is a single gimmick that is very user friendly & sturdy, it should last you a long time.

I bend keys every time I perform, the idea of being able to twist a key sounded like a good addition to my existing routine.
I bought an Element 80 second hand, the post office made sure I did not get the DVD or the hold out, just the gimmick.
I contacted the folks at Precept magic & they took care of me to make sure I had what I needed at a fair price.
Thank you for providing customer service to a second hand buyer(most dealers flat out refuse to)

While this is being sold as an all-purpose bender, there are a few things that need to be gone over.
The main focus of the DVD is fork bending, I think those who already do fork bending will like this. It makes doing the bends fairly easy. I know one of the common problems that many people have with fork bending is building up the hand strength to do some of the tine bends.
I would definitely recommend this for fork bending enthusiasts.

Key twisting is briefly covered on the DVD, I feel there should have been much more detail about this, it is discussed for less than 2 minutes.
I went through about 70 keys learning the inside out of using this device for twisting keys & this is what I learned-
*Not all keys will fit in the gimmick
*Some keys, the teeth will break off before you can get the twist in the key
*Some keys will actually tear during the twisting process
I would suggest testing all the keys you are going to use & get used to how they work with the device (brass keys work really well).
If you bend keys & want to add a nice twist (sorry, couldnít resist), I highly recommend this. Please do test out the keys you are going to use & get used to them.

When I first heard about this device, I was very excited for the key twist. When I read you could also bend coins, I was pretty excited!

Unfortunately, I cannot really recommend it for a real time coin bend.
It really comes down to a matter of hand strength; the creator Jason Reed has some mighty powerful hands & has little difficulty putting bends in coins. I have good hand strength, I use what is basically the same technique with another gimmick to bend keys & I had great difficulty bending even a dime. Jason does say on the DVD that you will not be able to bend coins right out of the box & it will take time to build up the hand strength.

Many people will simply not be able to use this as a coin bender; others will have to devote the time to practicing to get the strength built up in your hands.

For keys & forks, this thing is great!


There is an optional hold out you can get for $29.95, WAY overpriced for what it is. All I will say is it is a type of static hold out, not much to it.


I do recommend this for keys & forks, but coins will take some work.

Thanks,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 12, 2012 12:01AM)
No one else has this?

I'm curious to hear someone else's opinion on this item.

Mike
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Sep 12, 2012 10:45AM)
Good review Mike, thanks. Link below for website and demo.

http://www.preceptmagic.com/product/element-80
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 12, 2012 11:09AM)
Michael looks cool - great review.

I didn't see however in your review as to whether there was anything to ditch.... and how well the gimmick is hidden as part of the routine.

Most of us know how well a QB2 hides in plain sight - how is this gimmick in terms of being hidden in plain sight and then is the ditch natural in your view?

Thanks in advance.

BRETT
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 12, 2012 01:51PM)
Hi Brett,
I was trying to not be too obvious about the gimmick,it is very easy to handle.

It is pretty much invisible when handled properly.

Ditching the gimmick is no problem,with or without the holdout.

It's a very simple little device.

I hope this helps,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Romano911 (Sep 13, 2012 01:48PM)
Thanks for the review, Mike.
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 13, 2012 05:22PM)
You are most welcome!

Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 14, 2012 02:23PM)
I took this out for a spin the other night,I do a 2 key bending routine with Flexion(which is a KILLER!).
I added Element 80 to put a twist in the second key & it got some fantastic reactions,people really freaked out.


Mike
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Sep 18, 2012 03:09AM)
Just wanted to let everyone know that the hold out comes with the system for no addiditonal charge
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 18, 2012 11:22AM)
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On 2012-09-18 04:09, REColeman wrote:
Just wanted to let everyone know that the hold out comes with the system for no addiditonal charge
[/quote]

I did not know that it came with the gimmick,I saw it advertised separately on the website.

I did Element 80 table hopping this past weekend & their were a couple times that people focused on their twisted,bent keys so much,they hardly paid attention to the rest of my set.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Xpilot (Sep 18, 2012 11:54AM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-18 12:22, Michael Peterson wrote:
I did Element 80 table hopping this past weekend & their were a couple times that people focused on their twisted,bent keys so much,they hardly paid attention to the rest of my set.[/quote]

They were probably were too busy trying to figure out how they were going to unlock the front door when they got home :)
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Sep 18, 2012 12:11PM)
[quote]
On 2012-09-12 14:51, Michael Peterson wrote:
Hi Brett,
I was trying to not be too obvious about the gimmick,it is very easy to handle.

It is pretty much invisible when handled properly.

Ditching the gimmick is no problem,with or without the holdout.

It's a very simple little device.

I hope this helps,
Mike
[/quote]

Thanks so much Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Sep 18, 2012 02:08PM)
You are most welcome Brett!

Mike
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Oct 2, 2012 06:11PM)
We are proud to announce that Element 80 has officially been released. Check you local or online shops
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 8, 2012 07:41PM)
Michael Peterson, thanks for such a detailed review!
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 8, 2012 09:15PM)
You are most welcome,I just hope others read it before buying.


Mike
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 8, 2012 11:13PM)
I have to agree with most points that Michael has brought up. I did receive this at no charge in exchange for an honest review. I did not receive the dvd, but I don't think there would be much to help with the coin bend as I will soon discuss.

For coin bends, it's just not something that most people will be able to use if they do not have really really great hand strength, as the leverage just isn't there. If you do have the hand strength, this may work well for you. As for key bending, I didn't have much luck at all. I have a big zip lock back 1/2 full of various styles of keys and only found about 2 that worked. For me, that just doesn't work and is too much trouble to go and find those exact keys to perform it. As for design of the bender? hmmmmm, it's unique, but just won't fit my style to cover angles as it's a bit long to comfortably conceal without too much attention put on concealing it. I didn't recieve the hold out, but knowing that it normally comes with it is a plus. This is my .02 but your mileage may vary.
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Oct 9, 2012 10:35PM)
I would like to know who sent you our device with out any of the other items that it comes with? I think having the video would have changed some of your opinion
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 10, 2012 04:52PM)
I personally don't feel the video would have changed his opinion much since it focuses mainly on the fork bending.

The key twisting is good,with the proper keys.Not enough detail was gone in to about this.

The coin bending is not something your average person will be able to do.
I'm 6'4" 240 lbs. & I do a lot of key bending,I can't get much of a bend in a coin without really straining myself.

It's great for keys & forks,not so much for coins in my opinion.

Element 80 is now a part of my working repertoire,the key twist gets fantastic reactions.


Mike
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 12, 2012 09:02AM)
I got this last week and just LOVE it! This is very good. I think the gimmick works great and with what comes with it can be easily dichted or retrieved. There is so much you can do for misdirection with metal bending that obtaining and ditching the gimmick is super easy. Now, the coin is a little more difficult but still works good. After bending the coin for a week or so you will be fine. The instructions on the DVD are pretty good. Not great or very good, but Jason does an OK job in describing everything. If your into metal bending then I feel E80 is super- easily portable, concealed until you need it and can make it look like you can do miracles in bending!

RNK
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 12, 2012 10:34AM)
I was thinking about getting this just for the fork bending. Is it worth it just for that? Waitng to hit the buy it now.
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Oct 12, 2012 02:14PM)
MR Efecto. You can see the reviews for Fork and Key Bending are great. I think you will like it...

For the Record, I am one of the owners of Precept Magic. Just wanted to be upfront..
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 12, 2012 05:46PM)
I am sold on this. I will be buying this soon. Hopefully by next week. Looks to good to pass up.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Oct 12, 2012 08:51PM)
Michael.
Being big has nothing to do with hand strength. Strength is specific. It's actually very easy to get your hands and fingers super strong.
James


[quote]
On 2012-10-10 17:52, Michael Peterson wrote:
I personally don't feel the video would have changed his opinion much since it focuses mainly on the fork bending.

The key twisting is good,with the proper keys.Not enough detail was gone in to about this.

The coin bending is not something your average person will be able to do.
I'm 6'4" 240 lbs. & I do a lot of key bending,I can't get much of a bend in a coin without really straining myself.

It's great for keys & forks,not so much for coins in my opinion.

Element 80 is now a part of my working repertoire,the key twist gets fantastic reactions.


Mike
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Message: Posted by: MagoStevo (Oct 13, 2012 12:11PM)
Dear Michael & lunatik

That was a great review, may I ask what's the angle like? Is it as "hidden" / clean as quantum? Because so far I have kept my bending fairly clean and I don't wanna waste money on something that I can't perform up close. Thanks for your insight!
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 13, 2012 03:44PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-12 21:51, Xiqual wrote:
Michael.
Being big has nothing to do with hand strength. Strength is specific. It's actually very easy to get your hands and fingers super strong.
James


[quote]
On 2012-10-10 17:52, Michael Peterson wrote:
I personally don't feel the video would have changed his opinion much since it focuses mainly on the fork bending.

The key twisting is good,with the proper keys.Not enough detail was gone in to about this.

The coin bending is not something your average person will be able to do.
I'm 6'4" 240 lbs. & I do a lot of key bending,I can't get much of a bend in a coin without really straining myself.

It's great for keys & forks,not so much for coins in my opinion.

Element 80 is now a part of my working repertoire,the key twist gets fantastic reactions.


Mike
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I guess I should have said I'm a big strong man with strong hands & someone with weak hands will not be able to do this.


Mike
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 13, 2012 03:45PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-13 13:11, MagoStevo wrote:
Dear Michael & lunatik

That was a great review, may I ask what's the angle like? Is it as "hidden" / clean as quantum? Because so far I have kept my bending fairly clean and I don't wanna waste money on something that I can't perform up close. Thanks for your insight!
[/quote]

Are you asking about keys or coins?


Mike
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 16, 2012 07:31AM)
The angles are great. I am thinking that you could get away with this when people are standing behind you. You would just have to be a little more careful. As Mike said, I did this at a living room gig, first I did Flexion by Jon Allen then this. Let me tell you, what a reaction! I really love this. HIGHLY recommended!!
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 16, 2012 02:03PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-16 08:31, RNK wrote:
The angles are great. I am thinking that you could get away with this when people are standing behind you. You would just have to be a little more careful. As Mike said, I did this at a living room gig, first I did Flexion by Jon Allen then this. Let me tell you, what a reaction! I really love this. HIGHLY recommended!!
[/quote]

Flexion & Element 80 KILLS!
Mike
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 19, 2012 10:41AM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-13 13:11, MagoStevo wrote:
Dear Michael & lunatik

That was a great review, may I ask what's the angle like? Is it as "hidden" / clean as quantum? Because so far I have kept my bending fairly clean and I don't wanna waste money on something that I can't perform up close. Thanks for your insight!
[/quote]

If your afraid or have trouble with little misdirection that is required after the bend then don't buy it. As for keys- Michael says he doesn't go into enough detail about bending them, but there is not much to say about it. Basically you position the key and make the turn, that's it.

RNK
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 19, 2012 10:44AM)
Almost forgot- if you are looking to save a few bucks and purchase this (An Original, not knockoff) madhhater magic shop online has them for around $54.00!!
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 19, 2012 12:18PM)
I wasn't as lucky ad you, the majority of keys that I have don't fit :(
Message: Posted by: reedentertainment (Oct 19, 2012 10:17PM)
Hey guys!
Thanks for all of your comments on Element 80. This is Jason Reed from Precept Magic. I would just like to say a few things about some of the comments that I have read. I have been bending metal for many years now and I have used many different benders out on the market. What makes Element 80 stand out is the QUALITY of the devise and that it will last. I have noticed that most benders will fall apart over time and it can cause items to slip out in a performance. Element 80 is designed to lock in items better so that they will not slip out.
As far as the angles, I have performed it fully surrounded. Although I find it works best when you can manage your crowd in front. When the devise is in your hand it is virtually invisible and with practice you will find that it is very easy to manage.
I am surprised to hear that many of your keys are not working. I would encourage you to try the twisting method and make sure you are working with the teeth of the key. I have not found that many keys that don't work with the E80.
As far as the E80 as a coin bender... I remember when I first started out bending forks and I was not able to do all of the bends. If you have ever tried Liquid Metal then you will realize that the moves will take you a little bit because you have to build your hand strength. E80 is the same concept. Once you have built up your strength you will be fine. This effect DOES require practice.

If you do not currently perform any metal bending then it is worth learning. I have performed all over and I can say without a doubt that Element 80 is the one trick in my routine that leaves the strongest impression. What is great about Element 80 is that in the end, you are able to give away the physical proof of the miracle that your audience witnessed. Please feel free to ask any questions and I will do my best to check these posts on a regular basis. Thanks!

-Jason Reed
Element 80 Creator
Precept Magic
Message: Posted by: mentalran (Oct 24, 2012 07:34AM)
Just got my element 80! cant wait to open it :)
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Oct 24, 2012 10:17AM)
Well Open it!!! LOL.......... What you think?
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 24, 2012 12:14PM)
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=486532&forum=289&1
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 25, 2012 07:37AM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-24 13:14, lunatik wrote:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=486532&forum=289&1
[/quote]

All I can say is that there is enough misdirection built in so the gimmick comes in and out of play totally undetected. Yes, coins are harder to do but I was able to bend a quarter as soon as I got the gimmick. My thoughts are how the audience reacts and in all the times I've used this the reactions have been incredible and I have never been caught with the gimmick. Different strokes for different folks.

RNK
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 25, 2012 11:16AM)
I've always respected your opinions RNK. I think the majority of people who pick this up will not be able to do the coin bend. If a person is as strong as yourself, it might fit. But I'd sure hate for you to shake my hand, I'd get a stump back!
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Oct 25, 2012 11:57AM)
I dunno..."Element 80" got hammered in it's review in this months (Nov. 2012) MAGIC magazine.

Just sayin'.

FWIW
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 25, 2012 12:38PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-25 12:16, lunatik wrote:
I've always respected your opinions RNK. I think the majority of people who pick this up will not be able to do the coin bend. If a person is as strong as yourself, it might fit. But I'd sure hate for you to shake my hand, I'd get a stump back!
[/quote]

Thanks Lunatik, I appreciate that! While I would say I am not "The Hulk" I used to work out alot. So, I can see your point. Maybe, I just can't tell how hard it would be. But in all honesty, The key and fork bend are superb. Well, the key may be a little difficult too. But I truly love the gimmick and when performing this- it just seems that misdirection is totally built in because the specs examine the fork/coin/key before and after leaving ample time to ditch. And, especially with the key, the specs have "freaked out" after I used my SMSTPT--->"Special Mental Super Twisting Power Thoughts" to forever alter their signed key! To give credit to Jason - he does mention in the DVD that the coin bends will take a little practice and in time you will get better at it. I just can't believe Craig Petty gave it a 65% or low 60's%! Dave on the other hand gave it an 80% which is where I would be, actually probably more like 85%.


RNK
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 25, 2012 08:50PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-19 23:17, reedentertainment wrote:

[b]* Element 80 is designed to lock in items better so that they will not slip out.[/b]
[/quote]

[b]How - If may I ask please?[/b]

:xmas:
P.S. I have said it elsewhere on this forum and I will say it here:

Design wise Element is 80 is exactly same as Roy Kueppers' "Superman Coin Bender" but with a very slight modification.

Others may hype the product as much as they want but [b]IMO[/b], mechanical advantage wise, Element 80 is not a very friendly tool. This is just my personal opinion.

One might like to checkout 'Twisting Spoon by Kikuchi'. This little tool is much more mechanically friendly.

Continue please . . . :)
Message: Posted by: RNK (Oct 26, 2012 01:06PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-25 21:50, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-10-19 23:17, reedentertainment wrote:

[b]* Element 80 is designed to lock in items better so that they will not slip out.[/b]
[/quote]

[b]How - If may I ask please?[/b]

:xmas:
P.S. I have said it elsewhere on this forum and I will say it here:

Design wise Element is 80 is exactly same as Roy Kueppers' "Superman Coin Bender" but with a very slight modification.

Others may hype the product as much as they want but [b]IMO[/b], mechanical advantage wise, Element 80 is not a very friendly tool. This is just my personal opinion.

One might like to checkout 'Twisting Spoon by Kikuchi'. This little tool is much more mechanically friendly.

Continue please . . . :)
[/quote]

Understand what you are saying. IMO, this is very friendly and works great. I have had no problem with my unit. Now I do not own "Twisting Spoon by Kikuchi" so I cannot speak on it's behalf. I can only speak of my experince with Element 80 and so far it has been a great one!

RNK
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Oct 26, 2012 09:30PM)
I wish Narendra would design a bender. WHOA!!!!!! This guy is a genius.
James


[quote]
On 2012-10-25 21:50, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2012-10-19 23:17, reedentertainment wrote:

[b]* Element 80 is designed to lock in items better so that they will not slip out.[/b]
[/quote]

[b]How - If may I ask please?[/b]

:xmas:
P.S. I have said it elsewhere on this forum and I will say it here:

Design wise Element is 80 is exactly same as Roy Kueppers' "Superman Coin Bender" but with a very slight modification.

Others may hype the product as much as they want but [b]IMO[/b], mechanical advantage wise, Element 80 is not a very friendly tool. This is just my personal opinion.

One might like to checkout 'Twisting Spoon by Kikuchi'. This little tool is much more mechanically friendly.

Continue please . . . :)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 27, 2012 12:15PM)
Magic Magazine just put out a review......WOW
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Oct 27, 2012 04:06PM)
[quote]
On 2012-10-27 13:15, lunatik wrote:
Magic Magazine just put out a review......WOW
[/quote]


Care to elaborate?




Thanks,
Mike
Message: Posted by: Stanyon (Oct 27, 2012 04:22PM)
Like I originally said.


[quote]
On 2012-10-25 12:57, Stanyon wrote:
I dunno..."Element 80" got hammered in it's review in this months (Nov. 2012) MAGIC magazine.

Just sayin'.

FWIW
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: lunatik (Oct 27, 2012 04:35PM)
I've never seen them give such a scathing review in my entire life. you'll just have to read it for yourself.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 27, 2012 04:37PM)
Thanks for all that reviewed ( I mean a BIG THANKS ). I would never have bought it without a review based on the demo because the demo only showed reactions. Without seeing a an actual, un-edited performance, you'd have to take his word on how easy it is to perform.

PASS and thanks again for those that bought it and saved others from doing so.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Oct 27, 2012 08:26PM)
James, thank you so much for the kind words.

[quote]
On 2012-10-26 22:30, Xiqual wrote:

I wish Narendra would design a bender.
[/quote]

[url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=335684&forum=218&post=6429986][b]HERE[/b][/url] is one. ;) :)

The bender was primarily intended to make pre-bent coins easily and effortlessly. The beauty of the bender is that the Lip Bend could be made at any position on the coin. It takes just about 3 seconds to put a bend (Curved or Lip).

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Nov 5, 2012 07:07PM)
Stevens Magic Emporium Review - We find this item to be a very good utilty for keys and forks! We feel however, this item should be sold only for keys and forks. Using it that way, is still a great item well worth it's price. Bending quarters is "in our opinion" a little overzealous for this item. For the price - you can't beat this utility!
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Nov 5, 2012 10:35PM)
Thank for sharing that Robert :)

I use Element 80 every time I Perform,the twisted key twists their brains.


Mike
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Nov 24, 2012 08:13AM)
Sooooo I should stick with fusion and liquid metal is what I am getting.
Message: Posted by: REColeman (Dec 28, 2012 01:53AM)
Another Review

"ELEMENT 80 is a truly spectacular and "doable" system and an excellent addition to any performer's repertoire "
Paul A. Lelekis, Linking Ring Magazine 11/13/2012

We will have some perfomance video up sometime in January
Message: Posted by: ZoOpDoG (Sep 19, 2013 09:45PM)
Anyone else get the "dick in a box" song stuck in their head after opening this? I have played around with this some. I think its cool. Coins are a !@#$% but Im not exactly Capt America either. Everything else is super easy. I was able to do a dime on day 1, but not very gracefully. I laugh every time I think of someone spotting this after I ditch it (backside). I can only imagine what they would think it was. I certainly don't think they would assosiate it with the effect I just performed which is good - but I think it would dominate their later conversations about their time with me. :)