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Topic: Manipulation Box
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Oct 20, 2012 07:33PM)
Does anyone think this would be a good Manipulation Box to set on a table base? I sometimes question the hinged lid sticking up, but for the New Hand Fan DVD it would be an advantage. Being it has feet, a flange could be attached to the bottom of a table base, and when off it will still set level because of the feet. A cloth cover could be used as well. Also do to the hanging file holder rails, a half board can set on the rails in either direction, or a box for props.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vaultz-Locking-File-Chest-Storage-Box-Letter-Legal-Black/14915243
Message: Posted by: Harry Murphy (Oct 21, 2012 07:13AM)
If this the the look that you are going for this box will work well. You could do the Jeff McBride thing and simply sit it on a table or stool. Or you could put a flange on the bottom and add a base (Eureka or the Viking or whatever). You will probably want to reinforce the bottom if you go with the flange-stand.

The hinged lid is no real worry, again McBride exploits a hinged lid on one of his videos. You can build a number of holders for steals and prop organization in it.

I think that this is a nice start point that has some features (rails, lid, etc) that will allow you to customize it to exactly fit the need of your manipulation act.

Nice find Bill.
Message: Posted by: Derfomiundz Ivy (Oct 21, 2012 08:45AM)
I was thinking of getting something similar. I have one of the same brand but for cameras, it fits 2 bicycle decks perfectly, just a fancy way to carry decks. . I'm actually looking for something of the same size but cabinet size. Any of you know where I can find something similar but of cabinet size with wheels and good price? It would be great for keeping and perform with my juggling stuff and other magic props.
Message: Posted by: Michael Baker (Oct 21, 2012 09:47AM)
Maybe you'll find something on their website.

http://www.vaultz.net/products
Message: Posted by: Regan (Nov 14, 2012 09:22AM)
Bill, I use a Vaultz Box so I think it is a good choice! As someone mentioned, it's all about the look of your stage, props, etc.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Nov 17, 2012 08:12PM)
Since you asked for opinions...

If as Regan quotes "It's all about the look of your stage, props, etc"--I would think that--even with some kind of drape over the box--the box under discussion would look a little tacky. In contrast, think about how classy the box on Richard Ross's table looks in his FISM act:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Vk0mX2zgk
That box looks like a family heirloom.

A table made from a file chest storage box might be fine for a magician who does birthday party shows, a talk act, or a comedy act--but I think in a manipulation act it looks rather unwieldy and... well, non-magical.

But again, in a comedy act... I could see a magician coming out in a business suit wearing a name tag--and he pulls the name tag off and suddenly it becomes a fan of name tags that he tosses into the file box. Or his assistant could come out holding a legal-sized manila file folder and the magician tosses name tags into it a la Cardini and Swan. Then he segues into giant linking paper clips.

Please understand, I'm not trying to be facetious. This is my honest opinion.

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Nov 17, 2012 08:19PM)
As Tony Marks and others like Mr. Electric used square box tables, I thought getting something from the common market would be a good substitute for the box table. As far as looking like a file box, well without file folders, I don't think it makes the connection with a little added decoration, like the performer's name.

This of course would be on a 3 leg single support table legs.
Message: Posted by: Anatole (Nov 20, 2012 01:31PM)
In regard to the file box table, Bill comments: "...without file folders, I don't think it makes the connection with a little added decoration, like the performer's name."
Good point. Adding the performer's name or advertising logo to the front of the box dresses the box up a little. Note Levent's table in this videoclip from "Masters of Illusion":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1CuB5B8eZ8
Many exponents of promotion/advertising in magic suggest keeping your name foremost in the audience's mind, and having it visible during the entire act is an excellent way to do that.

On a file cabinet, maybe a fan of jumbo cards could cover the small frame where a label card is usually inserted--or an advertising cut as used often on magicians' business cards and brochures. The logo I designed for my own business card is attached here. The wand and the fan of cards help identify me as a card manipulator.

(I later simplified the spelling of my name to "NARVEZ" because the second "A" confused people into pronouncing my name as "Navarez." "Narvez" I felt was more in line with familiar Hispanic names ending in "-ez" like "Chavez" and "Gomez" and "Alvarez." I'm not sure my Dad was happy about the change, though he never said anything about it..)

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez