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Topic: Have seance will travel...
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Nov 1, 2012 10:31AM)
I know some of you were looking for that book by brother shadow. if your still looking for it go to the big auction site its there for the next 4 days and very low price for now.
Message: Posted by: Allan Kardek (Nov 1, 2012 11:17AM)
Weird... couldn't find it. Could you send me a link?

Message: Posted by: necroloid (Nov 1, 2012 11:22AM)
I checked it out allan. They wont ship to Canada :(
Message: Posted by: Allan Kardek (Nov 1, 2012 11:23AM)
Boooo on them.... (pun intended) :)
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Nov 1, 2012 11:26AM)
I'm sorry allan that really sucks bro. if you want I can watch it and see if I can snatch it reasonable and we can work it out later?
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Nov 1, 2012 11:28AM)
I'm finding a lot of oop books there today,
singed The Book of Forgotten Secrets - Stephen Minch
mind myth and magic - ta waters....
Message: Posted by: Allan Kardek (Nov 1, 2012 11:33AM)
Thanks for the offer Michael, but don't worry about it. I'm sure there will be another copy that shows up in the near future.

Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Nov 1, 2012 11:42AM)
No prob Allan

try this one

"Final Curtain"- Borodin- its there as well
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Nov 1, 2012 11:45AM)

wow talk about out of print!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message: Posted by: Experimentalist (Feb 18, 2013 02:30AM)
I noticed there's one for sale now. Only 20 hours left on the auction though.

Message: Posted by: lucavolpe (Feb 18, 2013 05:29AM)
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Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 18, 2013 05:54AM)
Stupid question - what makes that particular book valuable?
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Feb 18, 2013 06:36AM)
Btw my fellow Canucks here is what you do:

Always use ebay.com or ebay.uk etc and contact seller and ask when ish upping to camada is not listed if they would ship - 90% of the time they say sure

Also, tho pricey - you can get a us mail drop on line where you use that service as a us physical site who will send it on to you for a price

You see why my wife rolls her eyes due the number of packages I get a week :)
Message: Posted by: espkeith (Feb 18, 2013 07:31AM)
Would love to grab "Have Seance..." although not at the prices I've been seeing. Nice find on the Fortune Teller book, Michael. I believe Final Curtain is still in print(or at least available), as is Mind, Myth, & Magick
Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 19, 2013 06:31AM)
I have now read "Have Seance". I am missing something hugely in the presentation or somewhere else. Could any of you familiar with the performance of this piece please PM me? I must be very flat-footed and ignorant indeed, but I have questions.
Message: Posted by: JonWhite (Feb 19, 2013 07:47AM)
On 2013-02-19 07:31, HeatherV wrote:
I have now read "Have Seance". I am missing something hugely in the presentation or somewhere else. Could any of you familiar with the performance of this piece please PM me? I must be very flat-footed and ignorant indeed, but I have questions.

I felt much the same when I first got it. In itself it felt lacking, the seance as given mostly just being the initial stone ritual (lifted directly from another's book) before letting the specs get on with it plus a few ambience tips.

However, it's true value is in the central idea of conducting a seance in the form of subjective creative visualisations. Use "Have Seance.." as a starting point and embelish it with other ideas and visualisation type scripts to suit and it really can be very powerful indeed.
Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 19, 2013 07:51AM)
Yes, that's what I'm missing - what exactly is a 'subjective creative visualisation'? I feel like a moron for not 'getting it'.
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Feb 19, 2013 08:12AM)
What the book is designed to do is take you Away from the spook show type of sťance and give you the seeds to using a prop less sťance. you are creating a reality in the minds of the participants using suggestion and guided group visualization. doing it this way leaves the group with a positive experience and can be very therapeutic.
Message: Posted by: sgrossberg (Feb 19, 2013 09:01AM)
You may also find much of what you're looking for within the pages of this book:

Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 19, 2013 05:29PM)
Unfortunately, no matter how long I stare at a rock by candlelight, it's still a rock....?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Feb 19, 2013 07:33PM)
If you stare at a rock in total darkness,does it stay a rock ?
Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 19, 2013 08:40PM)
@Godzilla If I can't see it, I suppose the rock could be all sorts of weird and wonderful things I would have no way to visually verify, however, I'm pretty certain that when the lights go on, it'll go back to being a rock. This is linking, in my own personal mental train of thought to a reference in the Carny Tarot book where a fortune teller reminds her chair to be a chair before she sits down. I didn't get that either, in that the chair was a chair when she told it to stay a chair. I'm sure there's all sorts of philosophical mental calisthenics to be had here, but maybe you can elaborate or specify a bit more?
Message: Posted by: Godzilla (Feb 19, 2013 09:55PM)
Without knowing where or what you want to take your audience to.
You are a tour guide. On your journey with the sitters,you have to fill their senses,if it be with sounds,sights,feelings,smells etc. You have to be ,believable.If you can use some of your past,in presentation,you will be more convincing,and you will be sharing truths of such.
You need to provide some effects for them to experience. If they are there,they want to see something!
You want to create,impressions in your audiences,minds!
Simply put,if you believe in yourself,others will believe in you as well!
Add subtle little things,that may be noticed by only one or two. Less is more!
It does not happen overnight. The more you study others works,the better off,you will be!
Message: Posted by: Sidney (Feb 19, 2013 10:06PM)
I think someone here would be better served learning some card tricks.
Message: Posted by: HeatherV (Feb 19, 2013 11:02PM)
Wow did you mean that to sound as condescending, dismissive, and insulting as it read? If so, sorry I provoked such a strong reaction, which wasn't my intent.
Message: Posted by: JonWhite (Feb 20, 2013 08:18AM)
Heather, don't worry about the rock (or unhelpful replies). It's just a device/ritual to facilitate getting the spec's heads in the right place...

I actually didn't like it much anyway (it comes from the book sgrossberg links to above, which has plenty of other ideas you could adapt) and never used it. I can't find my complete original scripts, but used a candle in the centre and in part used the candle script below to lead into the spec's inner seance of creative imagination instead (leave lots of long pauses etc):

Focus on the candle in front of you. It's a long, white, perfectly straight candlestick, with a bright flame on top of it. Look at the flame with a comfortable gaze. See if you can find the brightest spot within the flame, the brilliant light at the centre, right at the tip of the wick. Focus your attention on that bright spot and keep your attention right there. Look more deeply into the light with each breath ... See if you can find the centre of the flame that does not flicker ... If your mind wanders to something else, gently bring it back to that bright, calm centre. Keep looking into the centre of the flame ...

(ample pause)

Now as you next exhale, gently allow your eyes to close, keeping the candle in your mind in the way most powerful to you...

Good. Now mentally bring that flame into the centre of your forehead, right above your nose. See if you can locate it perfectly in the middle of your forehead and look up at it. Now place that light in the very centre of your head. As you locate it there, feel waves and rays of light emanating from the centre, filling your entire head with a peaceful warmth. Feel how the energy from this light has a soothing and healing effect on you whole head ...

When your head is completely filled with light, bring this beautiful flame down into your chest, and place it in the centre of your heart. Let the light expand, pouring through your entire torso, completely filling all of your organs with brilliant energy. Let the light go into every space. Feel the warmth and completeness of this lovely light...

Now let the light continue to pour through your arms, radiating all the way to your hands and your fingertips. It's as if the light just wants to expand and to make everything it touches feel good ...

In the same way, let this beautiful light pour down through your legs and your feet, making them feel new and alive. It's a wonderful, wonderful feeling for you to enjoy.

When you entire body is filled with light, see how this light wants to continue to expand, even beyond the limits of your skin. And you can let it. Imagine the light pouring out to the left of you, first a few inches, now a few feet, and now let it stream out as far as you can imagine. Forget about my voice, forget about any other people in the room, forget about everything. Just feel the brilliance of this wondrous light. Imagine there are no walls, and see how far you can see this sparkling light streaming out to the left of you.

Now let the light pour out to the right of you in the same way. It's so easy. Just let it flow ... Feel it radiate a few inches, then a few feet, then many, many feet, until the light is so brilliant that you can't even see the right side of your body. Now let it go beyond where the walls were, and watch it keep going as far as your mind can imagine.

Now let the light pour out in front of you, too, way, way out. Make it brighter with your mind. Enjoy the energy of it. All you can see in front of you is wondrous light, as all thing have been replaced by light.
Now let the light pour out behind you, as far as you can think. That's very, very far. This light is shining from the centre of your self, a centre that becomes only stronger and brighter as you think of it.

Now pour the light below you, as if the floor has disappeared ... and above you, as if there is no ceiling, until everywhere you look you see only radiant splendour. It is as if you are sitting in the middle of the sun, and everywhere is only peaceful light.

Now enjoy this clear space. This is a safe, free space, in which all things are quiet and free and at peace. Here is a resting place for you, a tranquil retreat into open space. And as you experience this space, invite and allow any spirit you wish to contact or who wishes to contact you to join you in this space...

And after a suitable time, to close the experience:

Good. Now, as you are ready, begin to be aware of your physical body again. You do not have to let go of the light to be aware of your body; you can actually draw the light into your body and take the light with you. Gradually notice your head, your torso, arms, and legs. Notice the position of your fingers and toes, and feel the texture of the chair or floor. Slowly, now, open your eyes and readjust yourself to this room.

Hope that's of some help. But remember that for those who emotionally invest this can be a very powerful experience, so treat your specs with care...
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Feb 20, 2013 10:32AM)
Well done jon, thank your for sharing