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Topic: Wizard Product Review does Card Surgery
Message: Posted by: edshern (Nov 21, 2012 09:55AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9nvkg3PuJQ

starts at 6:40 on the video

Ed
Message: Posted by: Killertweety (Nov 21, 2012 11:58AM)
Hmmm ... they say it's soooo easy to do/self working and only takes 2 minutes to set up ... I actually don't agree 100 %. You also have to ditch something (a lot actually) which can cause a problem in certain situations and they don't mention that.
Message: Posted by: John Mazza (Nov 21, 2012 04:15PM)
That was a great review. I am looking forward to next weeks Tenyo Review as well.

The best moment for me came at the beginning when Craig says to Dave "for somebody who is a professional magician, you get too excited about Tenyo stuff." Then Dave says "Crystal Cleaver!"

Dave really gets that Tenyo is not necessarily for professional magicians, but the items are really cool and fun to play with and great to do for family and friends.

Dave and Craig have all these phrases and they call it a "pipe and slippers moment" when you have something that you can play with and admire in the comfort of your living room or den.

I think they have about 30,000 viewers a week so this can only help increase the interest in Tenyo.
Message: Posted by: Robert M (Nov 21, 2012 07:06PM)
I really like this trick. And, I think Dave did it really well.

This is one of the few Tenyo tricks I would ever consider performing for a real audience.

I can't believe they failed to mention Lubor Fiedler.

Robert
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Nov 21, 2012 08:35PM)
Duh: how many times does it have to be pointed out that Tenyo creates its tricks to be sold to laymen, not magicians?

How many times do we have to listen to uninformed people complain about Tenyo tricks in relation to magicians performing them as part of their repertoires?

Tenyo makes it tricks for laymen to buy in Japan. That's their major audience and their focus.

They are not creating tricks to be put into the repertoires of magicians who perform for laymen. The fact that many of the tricks are good enough (far more than are generally given the credit) to actually create an entire close-up repertoire is quite amazing, but it's by happenstance, not on purpose.
Message: Posted by: Kobra (Nov 27, 2012 02:03PM)
Their review sold it for me.
I remember when I was in Asia, they had loads of Tenyo or similar stuff available. I was in heaven, wish I bought more.
Message: Posted by: Nicolino (Nov 27, 2012 03:44PM)
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On 2012-11-21 20:06, Robert M wrote:
I can't believe they failed to mention Lubor Fiedler.
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Don't they have an agenda of "not mentioning" anyway?
Message: Posted by: motown (Dec 3, 2012 11:37PM)
I wish they'd just get to the point, they can be so long winded.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Dec 4, 2012 09:48AM)
They have to fill "air time" so they talk a lot. This way they have to deal with fewer tricks each episode.
Message: Posted by: Silver Glove Magic (Dec 4, 2012 10:28AM)
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On 2012-11-21 21:35, Richard Kaufman wrote:
Duh: how many times does it have to be pointed out that Tenyo creates its tricks to be sold to laymen, not magicians?

How many times do we have to listen to uninformed people complain about Tenyo tricks in relation to magicians performing them as part of their repertoires?

Tenyo makes it tricks for laymen to buy in Japan. That's their major audience and their focus.

They are not creating tricks to be put into the repertoires of magicians who perform for laymen. The fact that many of the tricks are good enough (far more than are generally given the credit) to actually create an entire close-up repertoire is quite amazing, but it's by happenstance, not on purpose.
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Well said sir--I give credit to WPR for making me hip to Tenyo and all the cool effects. I consider myself more of a 'collector' of magic. When I saw all the cool stuff Tenyo has put out, I had to buy Crystal Cleaver. Next was Card Surgery, still waiting on it from Japan.
Message: Posted by: edshern (Dec 4, 2012 11:20AM)
Silverglove, Now that you have outed yourself as a collector, we would love to see your collection.
Killertweety in fact posts many of our collections. Post a photo here &/or send him a photo and share :)

Check it out here http://www.tenyo.be/collectors.html
Message: Posted by: edshern (Dec 4, 2012 11:36AM)
I agree with Richard.
This is a case that Tenyo walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, but it's not a duck.
Tenyo are magic toys. They are packaged, sold , made and priced as toys.
That was probably the whole idea behind the Elite line, which unfortunately, I thought missed the mark (Hmmm, that might get a comment or two)

I guess since by design, concept & creativity - they are magic- Magicians expect them to be for professional performance.
Message: Posted by: motown (Dec 4, 2012 12:37PM)
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On 2012-12-04 10:48, Richard Kaufman wrote:
They have to fill "air time" so they talk a lot. This way they have to deal with fewer tricks each episode.
[/quote]The problem is, they talk to much and don't really say anything. :)
Message: Posted by: doug brewer (Dec 8, 2012 12:36PM)
Card Surgery is excellent. The black art aspect of it is perfect, and I do mean perfect, from a foot away. The gimmick is a little wonky that does the "work" but I'm using it for behind the bar. For this setting it's ideal as you have to be set-up when you perform it.

Crystal Cleaver is something a buddy of mine does strolling (occassionally) and it is very strong.
Message: Posted by: samdan (Dec 29, 2012 06:53PM)
Dumb question from a hobbyist-- do you take the tiny thing out of the bigger tan thing or do you leave it in there for the trick? Thanks.
Message: Posted by: dragonash (Dec 29, 2012 07:55PM)
Leave it in place. The construct provides a larger surface to for the double-stick tape.

It would work just as well to remove the little thing and put it on with adhesive tape. But it would be more difficult to remove.
Message: Posted by: samdan (Dec 29, 2012 08:07PM)
Thanks
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Dec 29, 2012 11:04PM)
I think, just on the face of it, that you get less noise using the large "thing," and more noise if you took the little thing out of the middle and just used that.

It just occurred to me that the following might be applicable. Bill Zavis was the first person to take the magnet out of the bottom of a chop cup. He put it in the end of a magic wand that he held beside the cup. Thinking .... suppose you put the small magnet for Card Surgery in the end of a bic pen. You would have to make use of the pen in some way during the trick. However, if you had the pen clipped between your first and second fingers at the spot where the fingers meet the hand, you could do Card Surgery in this position. No need to stick anything onto your hand, and you could easily place the pen away afterward to ditch everything. Hmmm.... wondering about the space between the first and second fingers created by the pen. Someone want to try this?
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 30, 2012 07:01AM)
MMMM small magnet on end of pen, not sure you could hide everything with such a thin object? I have been using a PK ring and it is good for a routine with only one corner or ditch in some way then swipe the other corner,my rig is not powerfull enough to swipe both at the same time.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Dec 30, 2012 12:44PM)
The end of the pen is between your fingers, where the fingers meet the hand. Any large item or items picked up would be easily concealed under the hand.
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Dec 30, 2012 06:07PM)
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On 2012-12-30 13:44, Richard Kaufman wrote:
The end of the pen is between your fingers, where the fingers meet the hand. Any large item or items picked up would be easily concealed under the hand.
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Arh I see Richard ,yes may be worth a shot.
Message: Posted by: Richard Kaufman (Dec 31, 2012 09:54PM)
You would have to be doubly careful of noise if using the pen, but if you follow Tenyo's instructions about holding the pieces in place with the first finger of your other hand until the magnet has made contact, it won't be an issue. I think it's very important to be able to be "clean" with both hands immediately after the restoration. I don't know about you, but peeling that gimmick off my hand takes quite an effort!
Message: Posted by: Fire Starter (Jan 2, 2013 04:47AM)
But peeling that gimmick off my hand takes quite an effort!That's why I will not be using it as you say Richard really want to finish with clean hands so I think one corner is still very powerful visualy and maybe more beleivable?.