Topic: Memorized deck mastery
 Message: Posted by: pnielan (Jan 14, 2013 10:23AM)
Once you know your stack of choice, drilling by mentally going from number to card or card to number is of course useful. But it gets stale.

Recently I've done this. Divide a deck into two face down piles: 1-26 and 27-52. Randomly take a few cards from the 27-52 half and place them in the 1-26 half. Shuffle. Now try to find the "stranger" cards by looking at the faces of shuffled half. Repeat until the 27-52 pile is gone.

If you are relatively new to your stack, you can get quick reinforcement by having the 1-26 cards red and the 27-52 cards blue. The faces should be identical in design and age of course.

You can repeat this a level lower with 1-13 and 14-26 for example.
 Message: Posted by: pnielan (Jan 14, 2013 10:24AM)
One omitted step: After finding the "stranger cards", remove them and place them in a discard pile.
 Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (Jan 14, 2013 10:50AM)
Yep. That works!
 Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (Jan 14, 2013 12:01PM)
Other ideas that have worked for me:

-Name number locations of any Four-Of-A-Kind

-Name number locations of Straights (A-K) and Royal Flush's in CHaSeD order

-Name the the cards in numerical DESCENDING order, from 52 to 1

-Name the cards starting from a different beginning point, such as the 26th card, center of deck; 26 to 25; or start at 10, 20, 30; or 13, 26, 36, etc.

-Name the Odd cards; name the Even cards

Some ideas I've enjoyed using.
 Message: Posted by: Demitri (Jan 16, 2013 08:28PM)
Some really great tips there, atom. I am going to use these as refreshers!
 Message: Posted by: iasoncl (Feb 5, 2013 06:59AM)
Good stuff.
A couple of other ideas I use:

I have an old deck on which I have written the stack number on the back of each card. Shuffle the deck, cut about half the deck and turn one half face up. Shuffle the face-up and face-down halves together well. So now you have a completely random sequence of face-up and face-down cards. Go through the deck, starting from the top, determining the stack number if you have a face-up card, or the card value if you see a stack number. Once done, turn the deck over (so that the cards that were face up are now face down, and the cards that were face down are now face up), shuffle well, and repeat.

The second method I use is the following: all cards are face down and the deck is well shuffled. I take the first card and look at the stack number on the back. I have to get the card value right, and also the card before and after it. So if I am looking at a card with stack number 15 on the back, I have to determine that card's value, as well as the values of cards at stack numbers 14 and 16.
 Message: Posted by: Martin Joyal (Feb 5, 2013 08:39PM)
If you are using the Joyal Stack, you might find the following useful.

http://www.joyalstack.com/index.php?p=mdpj

Martin
 Message: Posted by: pnielan (Feb 5, 2013 10:50PM)
The JoyalStack web site is a resource no matter what stack you use. Good ideas abound.

Also, the Six-Hour Memorized Deck is an excellent and beautiful book, no matter what stack you use. The introduction/history to types of stacks (card systems and memorized stacks) is a very clear explanation. And there are some excellent routines in the book.

Highly recommended.
 Message: Posted by: Steff (Feb 7, 2013 11:26AM)
I have bought a "normal face/blank back" deck.
On each back I have written the number location of the card.
With this tool, there are lots of ways to exercize yourself.

My favorite :
- shuffle the deck ;
- cut in half. Reverse one of the halves.
- Shuffle again.
By now, you have a mix of face-up face-down cards.
I go through the whole deck and - of course - if it is a number, I name the card, it is the face, I give the number.

I like this exercise as it forces you to... well... how can it be explained... it forces you to "switch" your thinking mode (number->card vs card->number) frequently.
 Message: Posted by: Steff (Feb 7, 2013 11:27AM)
Oh... I forgot... Another beautiful tool is an invisible deck. Set it up with your mem deck and just train yourself with your favorite invisible deck routine.

Pretty useful as it is a "find the previous/find the next card" exercise.
 Message: Posted by: Waterloophai (Feb 7, 2013 02:33PM)
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On 2013-02-07 12:27, Steff wrote:
Oh... I forgot... Another beautiful tool is an invisible deck. Set it up with your mem deck and just train yourself with your favorite invisible deck routine.
Pretty useful as it is a "find the previous/find the next card" exercise.
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I don't do the invisible deck anymore. But when I did, my deck was in MD-order and not just to excercise.
It has the advantage that there is realy no visible order in the cards for the spectator.
Every deck that I use (even when I don't need the specific order) is in MD-order.
 Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (Mar 18, 2013 12:10PM)
I've been holding back but wanted to share what has proven to be a VERY powerful helpful technique for me. We'll call it Animate The Suits; used with visualising the cards. Here's how it works:

Each suit has it's own specific action associated with it. I'll explain it in CHaSeD order:

Club: PIcture the clover moving in a hitting action from foreground to background; as if using a wooden club to smack something.

Heart: Picture the Valentine's Day symbol pulsating like a beating heart.

Spade: A spade comes to a sharp point at the top. See the picture of pricking your index finger off that point.

Diamonds: Picture the light emanating from this brilliant gem. To add to it, see yourself holding the symbolic diamond between your fingers and slightly rotating it as if to show more shine.

NOTE: Each of these four animations have their own unique action. The Club using your hand to "hit" from back to front. The Heart opening and closing your hand simulating a beating heart. The Spade mimicking pricking your finger from the point. The Diamond displayed with your fingers and a small twirl.

This technique still works if you want to picture multiples. For example, 4C. Just pretend you see or use the action four times, hitting the air.

I'm sure many of you can see other possibilities with this idea in addition to memory deck work. I've never seen this idea in our literature. If you read it before and have historical references, that would be GREAT! IF you would like to publish this idea, either via your Website or any other means, including but not limited to books, periodicals and video, I give you my permission respectfully asking you to please credit Tom Hall (the man behind the curtain of Atom3339).

I hope you find this helpful!
 Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Mar 18, 2013 01:37PM)
I think that Tom's "Animate the Suits" idea is wonderful. If you are using mnemonics to initially learn a mem-deck it would fit right in and be most helpful. It is more dramatic and thus more memorable than the standard of using words which start with the first letter of the suit, like the Ace of Clubs represented by the word Cat or the Seven of Hearts represented by the word Hog.

Remember, however, that in mastering a mem-deck these associations should fall away and you know, for example, that the Seven of Clubs in number 28 in the Aronson Stack without have to picture the mnemonic associations you used in learning.

But Tom's idea would also be very helpful when you are performing and you have to remember the name of a card which you have just glimpsed.

Thanks for sharing this "Atom3339."

Dennis "Denny" Loomis
 Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 18, 2013 03:14PM)
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On 2013-03-18 14:37, Dennis Loomis wrote:
Remember, however, that in mastering a mem-deck these associations should fall away and you know, for example, that the Seven of Clubs in number 28 in the Aronson Stack without have to picture the mnemonic associations you used in learning.
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That's so true and can't be repeated often enough... Whatever method you decide to use your goal is always to learn a secret second identity for every card which is simply a number and nothing more. Otherwise you will never reach speed and the ability to perform more complex routines using a MD. Jan
 Message: Posted by: yankay37 (Mar 21, 2013 04:23PM)
CHaSeD is such a great stack.. but I havn't been able to find a presentation for it... once I mastered the classic fo**e.... I don't really need the CHaSeD stack...
 Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (Mar 21, 2013 10:40PM)
Yankay37, CHaSeD helps you stay in a specific order for many tricks, including automatic tricks and multiple suit revelations.
 Message: Posted by: JanForster (Mar 22, 2013 05:57AM)
... and is a complete different story, it doesn't concern the theme of a MD at all ... Jan
 Message: Posted by: ddyment (Mar 22, 2013 10:34AM)
In addition, the CHaSeD sequence is hardly [url=http://www.deceptionary.com/aboutsuits.html]the best suit order[/url] for the card worker.
 Message: Posted by: Dennis Loomis (Mar 22, 2013 03:52PM)
Yankay37 suggests that CHaSeD is a stack. It's not a stack because it only relates to the order of the suits, but not the values. He also suggests that once you master the classic F***e that you don't need CHaSeD any more. These are apples and oranges. I know several good forces, but I also use a suit order for many things.

Dennis "Denny" Loomis
 Message: Posted by: duanebarry (Mar 26, 2013 03:11PM)
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On 2013-03-22 11:34, ddyment wrote:
In addition, the CHaSeD sequence is hardly [url=http://www.deceptionary.com/aboutsuits.html]the best suit order[/url] for the card worker.
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I found this a very useful article from Doug. It maps the suits to numbers in a meaningful way, very like the convention by which ESP symbols are mapped to numbers. I've found CHaSeD a clumsy mnemonic in the past. My brain much prefers this visually based 1-2-3-4 mapping.

Thanks for this!
 Message: Posted by: glowball (Mar 27, 2013 12:32PM)
I like the SHaCeD order over the CHaSeD because with SHaCeD I can visualize one gold ball on the Spade point, two gold balls on the Heart lobes, three gold balls on the Club lobes, and four gold balls on the Diamond points. I came up with this on my own about 6 years ago and like many things found that others beat me to the punch many, many years before.
 Message: Posted by: Atom3339 (Mar 27, 2013 01:12PM)
^ Thank you, Doug.