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Topic: O'Connell or Vernet Himber?
Message: Posted by: zipper (Jan 23, 2013 01:07PM)
Magical folks:

I want a Himber to switch one bill for another or to remove a bill and have it magically return. I have an inexpensive one I got long ago but want to move up to a more attractive, better operating one (mine sticks occasionally when the wallet is opened). I've got it narrowed to Vernet or O'Connell (large) from MJM magic. Any advice from you fellow magicians about which is best in terms of quality and operation would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for any help/advice.

Magical things,
Zipper
Message: Posted by: Michael J (Jan 24, 2013 10:14AM)
Hi zipper
I don't know the Vernet wallet but have and use quite often the O'Connell large Himber wallet which I think is excellent and good quality.

Also for your information if you haven't already got it, there is a Himber Wallet Book by Harry Lorayne published by L & L Publishing with loads of routines for the Himber wallet.

Hope this helps

All the best

Michael
Message: Posted by: Leo H (Mar 9, 2013 09:47PM)
Zipper--I would caution you about utilizing the Himber wallet to make the magic happen. If you remove money from the Himber wallet, vanish the money and re-open the wallet to reveal the money again, audiences will suspect the wallet. How else?

The Himber wallet should be incidental to the magic. It should be a device to hold your money, paper or cards--and perceived as that by your audience--nothing more than that!
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Mar 12, 2013 01:26PM)
The problem with most Himber wallets is that they just don't look normal. They look exactly what they are - namely, a magicians prop.

However, if you want the most realistic looking billfold wallet (that doubles up as a Himber) then check out Jerry O'Connell's Shogun Wallet. It was originally created by Elbert Garner, and first released around 1982.

I'm not an admirer of JOL wallets these days - they appear to be mass-produced in awful, chintzy leather. However, the ShoGun is beautiful - and can actually be given to the spectator to hold and open up themselves.

This advert gives more details - but I'm sure that they are available via a number of magic suppliers Worldwide.

http://www.topsecretmagic.co.uk/JerryOConnell.html
Message: Posted by: zipper (Mar 12, 2013 06:58PM)
Merc Man,

Thank you so much for the advice. I will check out Sho-Gun and hope that it will do what I want it to do.

Zipper
Message: Posted by: zipper (Mar 12, 2013 07:02PM)
Leo H.

Thank you for your observations on Himber, which seem right on the money. However, I'm using--or planning to--the Himber in the context of Wonder's Ring, Watch, & Wallet routine, so I really--maybe my lack of imagination--can't think of a better way to do what must be done (i.e., remove money, put the wallet in a pocket where the wallet can be seen, and have the money return at the correct time).

Magical things,
Zipper
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 12, 2013 07:34PM)
Isn't a Shogun along the line of a Pimpernal wallet?
Message: Posted by: Merc Man (Mar 17, 2013 05:16AM)
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On 2013-03-12 20:34, motown wrote:
Isn't a Shogun along the line of a Pimpernal wallet?
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Not sure how a Pimpernel works mate to be honest.

The Sho-Gun is simplicity itself but, because it's so natural, it's anything other than obvious.

PM me if you need the modus operandi as this is an open part of the forum.
Message: Posted by: Wizzard (Mar 17, 2013 03:45PM)
Here is JOL's web address:http: http://www.leatherjerry.com/index.html
JMN
Message: Posted by: J-Mac (Mar 17, 2013 10:51PM)
I am looking for a Himber wallet also. One effect I want it for is Ron Bauer's Xerox Money. The book calls for a Himber wallet - a standard one that takes full-size currency. I am guessing that he added that note because there have been a number of smaller "hip pocket" size Himber wallets on the market of late and that apparently will not work with this routine.

The JOL Himber looks significantly different than what I think the "standard" Himber looks like; the Vernet seems to fit that description better.

Is anyone here using a JOL Himber for Ron Bauer's Xerox Money? If so, how does it handle the routine?

Thank you.

Jim
Message: Posted by: jlibby (Mar 24, 2013 07:32PM)
I've heard the criticism that a lot of Himbers look like props. Maybe I got lucky; I purchased one from Stevens Magic that I think is manufactured by Magic, Inc. To my eyes, it looks very nice indeed and not like a prop.

Of course, these days you can find lots of somewhat unusual-looking leather accessories at men's clothing stores, so perhaps the appearance of a Himber wallet just comes down to a matter of personal preference.

Joe Libby
San Antonio, TX
Message: Posted by: taller8 (Apr 14, 2013 08:30PM)
These do look nice.


http://www.stevensmagic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=112462
Message: Posted by: Bill Hegbli (Apr 18, 2013 08:17AM)
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On 2013-03-12 20:02, zipper wrote:
Leo H.

Thank you for your observations on Himber, which seem right on the money. However, I'm using--or planning to--the Himber in the context of Wonder's Ring, Watch, & Wallet routine, so I really--maybe my lack of imagination--can't think of a better way to do what must be done (i.e., remove money, put the wallet in a pocket where the wallet can be seen, and have the money return at the correct time).

Magical things,
Zipper
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If you are looking to do the Oswald Rae "Bandit" routine, then a better reference then Tommy Wonder would be the Alan Shaxon video tape and/or Jim Steinmeyer version in his book Conjuring Anthology. Some versions use the Himber, but Alan Shaxon used the Devil's Hank, only in a large scarf version. The idea of the large scarf, was to represent the Bandit scarf. Many of the younger people on the Café will not know, that when Cowboy shows were on television, the bandits would use a neckerchief to cover their nose and mouth, masking their faces, and black hats. The good guy always wore a white hat and no mask, except of course for the Lone Ranger. Thus the Bandit idea for the trick. There may be a patter routing in one of the late Sid Lorraine patter books that Abbott's Magic sells. Sid was known for his genius magic patter creations.

Actually any Himber will do, I would go for the Vernet, as they look very well made, and Steven's Magic as also sold them in the past. Or, one of the inexpensive India models would work as well, that only costs $20.00 retail.

This trick is really meant to be presented as a stand up effect, not a close up trick.
Message: Posted by: mercedesrules (Jun 27, 2013 10:20AM)
......FWIW, I recently purchased a Vernet Magic Himber wallet to get started learning about wallet use. I thought I would start with the most commonly mentioned brand. I am a little disappointed, though, because (US) dollars, which are mentioned in the instructions for the included trick, don't fit comfortably into the wallet. One has to scrunch them up to fit. Is this common or should I maybe return it for a different type?