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Topic: Brand New Billet Box Design: "THE WHITE BOX"
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 27, 2013 01:13PM)
As a few Café members know, I have been working on this design for the past year, and after numerous production prototypes and performance testing, I have finally come up with a result that I am ecstatic about (thanks to feedback from several Café members)!

This is a Billet Box that is designed for stage. It can accommodate from a small number of billets to literally hundreds.
Its main purpose is to fo**e one or more billets. However, with some simple staging, it may also be used for a Q&A.
The design is based on the OM box, but with a far more modern design that looks like something you would see in the 'real world.'
In fact, to provide context, I refer to it as an "Entry Box." That's exactly what it looks like - the kind you would see for a contest or draw. It can also be referred to as a "Ballot Box" for voting, etc. The key is that it isn't made of cardboard (which screams 'home-made' and doesn't aesthetically match the look of my stage set) nor wood (which seems like a magic prop, despite some very clever solutions having been marketed in recent years).

The method is dumb-easy and 100% reliable.

I have 4 of these available in advance of their becoming widely available at an increased price.
This is not a pre-release offer, as I have them in my possession.
The only thing not available at this time, is the instruction booklet, which will be sent when completed. It will contain performance tips and a few routine suggestions.

I am selling these advanced units for $249 + shipping.

I am available to Skype, if you would like to know more about the box and its workings.
I will also post some more detailed photos in Inner Thoughts.

[IMG]http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o573/Stan_Corrected/Box2_zpsc6c5c1dd.jpg[/IMG]



Cheers,

Eric
Message: Posted by: dmoses (Jan 27, 2013 07:25PM)
Caveat: Eric is a friend.

I've been following Eric's product development on this (and several other products) for months and years.
Eric has been buying and trying other people's billet boxes for as long as I've known him...
I think, he's been on the search for something dependable, innocent-looking and congruent with his style.
He's found it.

I think I've seen or discussed at least half a dozen other proto-types for this box.
It's a locked ballot box, exactly as you would see for sale in an office store or in use in a supermarket or office.
It's practical. Portable. Versatile.

If you're buying this you going to use it for stage or parlour. You're not buying the secret. You already know what it is and does. You already have an idea how you're going to use this (Direct Mind Reading or Q&A or something else). I won't bother with the "this is an investment" talk. If you've looked at what else is out there you already know this is a deal.

and if you've bought anything from Eric before you know he's great to do business with.

d
Message: Posted by: Looch (Jan 28, 2013 07:07AM)
Eric showed me this on Skype about 6 weeks ago, it's a lovely piece of design that works beautifully.
Message: Posted by: voh002 (Jan 28, 2013 07:38AM)
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On 2013-01-28 08:07, looch wrote:
Eric showed me this on Skype about 6 weeks ago, it's a lovely piece of design that works beautifully.
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Eric showed it to me too, on Skype. I bought one at once. It will arrive in a couple of days. I see endless possibilities. For me it will be a great opener with the hole audience involved.

The box can be used for both predictions and mind reading. I think it dose not look like a magic prop. I have seen other billet boxes, and they have been made of wood and looks suspicious. Eric has thought of everything, and the routines that will follow (when they are finnish), are mind-blowing and entertaining.

Actually Derren Brown has a routine in one of his stage shows, based on the same principle, and you can do the exact routine with this box. But please, do not copy the master ;)

I can`t wait to use it.
Message: Posted by: Dr Spektor (Jan 28, 2013 08:07AM)
It does look nice!
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Jan 28, 2013 11:22AM)
What are the dimensions?
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 28, 2013 11:37AM)
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On 2013-01-28 12:22, DrTodd wrote:
What are the dimensions?
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I'm glad you asked because in Inner Thoughts I erroneously indicated that the box is 10" square. It is, in fact 9" square.
The reason for my brain fart is that last version/prototype was a little larger on the outside, but for the final box, we managed to shrink the outside without losing space 'where it counts.' (open forum, so I'll be somewhat cryptic).

e
Message: Posted by: IAIN (Jan 28, 2013 11:40AM)
Stupid question from a non-stage worker, do the materials cause any glare when on stage? would you offer any other finishes?
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 28, 2013 12:40PM)
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On 2013-01-28 12:40, IAIN wrote:
Stupid question from a non-stage worker, do the materials cause any glare when on stage? would you offer any other finishes?
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No such thing as a stupid question, Iain.....oh wait....is that how that saying goes??? ;)

Stage glare has never really been an issue. To begin with, my suggested approach is to have the box set-up at the front of the stage before the show begins, so that people can drop their 'slip of paper' in the box, before the show begins. In this circumstance, if stage lighting glare is an issue, you can easily adjust/move the box to a position where it does not reflect the lighting (at least not into the audience).
When you 'use' the box during the show, it's literally less than a minute when the box is moving and in play. Conceivably, there could be a moment or two of glare (particularly if you have a follow-spot on you), but this won't blind anyone (much of the reflected light will be diminished by the material). Most importantly, any possible glare won't impede functionality (like not being able to read writing on a white board because of glare).

As for alternate colors; I played with a few ideas (including black), but this style and color most closely resembled the utilitarian model upon which it was based - a white plastic ballot box. Everything else looked like a prop. Besides, I like the name "The White Box!"

e
Message: Posted by: David Thiel (Jan 28, 2013 01:01PM)
It's a lovely prop, Eric!

David
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Jan 28, 2013 01:03PM)
Really lovely...I would need a natural finish, or dark mahogany...possble?
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 28, 2013 01:28PM)
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On 2013-01-28 14:03, DrTodd wrote:
Really lovely...I would need a natural finish, or dark mahogany...possble?
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Let me get back to you on that.

e
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Jan 28, 2013 02:10PM)
Maybe I'm wrong but the feeling I got was the purpose was to get away from a "wood" looking finish?
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 28, 2013 03:03PM)
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On 2013-01-28 15:10, Mindpro wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong but the feeling I got was the purpose was to get away from a "wood" looking finish?
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Yes, it was certainly a motivation for me, as I wanted to create something that accomplished two things:

a) Looked like a utilitarian box (and as I may have mentioned, the overall look was somewhat based on an actual white plastic ballot box that I bought on eBay some years ago).
b) I wanted a box that was consistent with the overall look of my stage set-up. My tables, for instance, are also custom made, and the look is similar (although they have a smoked black finish).
My stage look is contemporary with clean lines. But I can understand how someone else might, for instance, want this to blend in with a wood-grain MPS, etc.

e
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Jan 28, 2013 03:21PM)
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On 2013-01-28 15:10, Mindpro wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong but the feeling I got was the purpose was to get away from a "wood" looking finish?
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For him, yes, for me, no...I think there is a market for different exterior finishes....

Cheers
Todd
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jan 28, 2013 03:23PM)
I am happy to note that all but one box (at the intro price) has been spoken for.
Thanks to everyone who weighed in with positive feedback, comments, questions and suggestions!

There will be a release discounted price in a few weeks ($299), at which time I hope to have video of a presentation using the box.
For those who have asked, the eventual selling price (this Spring) will be $349 + shipping.

e
Message: Posted by: jlevey (Feb 4, 2013 10:26PM)
Congratulations on this new and ingenious release Eric.

It looks fantastic!

Jonathan
Message: Posted by: Hugo (Mar 15, 2013 05:33AM)
Any update on this?
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Mar 15, 2013 10:23AM)
Yes, I've just received the new production run and have a limited number of The White Box available now.
My video production guy (who is not great with deadlines) is way behind on the demo, which I had hoped to have available along with the new run of boxes so that you can see the box in action.

In the meantime, if anyone would like a closer look via Skype, I'm happy to oblige!
Just PM me and we'll set something up.

Eric
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Mar 15, 2013 11:37AM)
Eric has been very helpful with me with this. I have been looking for something like this for awhile. Looking forward to receiving it!
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Apr 4, 2013 11:07AM)
I received this and it completely lives up to expectations. First it very well made and seems incredibly fair. The box is awesome---it does not look "magicy". Allows you to really do some amazing things and focus on presentation. Eric, thank you!
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Jun 15, 2013 10:56PM)
Well, I just picked this up and I have to say that I could not be any happier! Not only was Eric a great guy to deal with (when shipping was less than he expected, he refunded the difference - on his own, nothing was asked - he is just that honest!), but the box itself far surpassed my expectations.

The thing is functional art.

It is easy to use, deceptive (I must have spent five minutes peering down into the box through the slit at the top and the white on white really interferes with your depth perception), and thoroughly professional. This thing is truly beautiful.

I've since read the manual that Eric created and sent along with it - and that made me frown. Why? Because it is packed with so much good information, that I now am in doubt as to whether I will use it as I had planned. His routining with this is so far ahead of what I had intended (my ideas were humdrum in comparison), that I realized that I am really going to have to sit back and give this some serious thought before using it.

He has an idea regarding using this as part of a book test that really appealed to me, but it was his Q and A approach with this set me to thinking about the way that I will now probably use this and - let me tell you - there will be NO doubts that I can read minds.

There was nothing about this transaction that made me wish that something was slightly different. There was no minor detail that I decided that I'd just have to live with, there was no issue with service or any of those millions of little things that can go wrong. This thing was just perfect!

I can't recommend it enough - especially if you work on stage. Top marks!

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Christopher Taylor (Jun 15, 2013 11:44PM)
I had the opportunity to examine this and was amazed at how simple and practical it is. Eric has done something really impressive with this release and I have a suspicion we will see more like it from him in the future.

Christopher
Message: Posted by: Mikael (Jun 16, 2013 05:26AM)
I received this a few months ago, and after trying it out in a couple of performances I have to say it is probably the best billet box I've seen. First of all, it doesn't look like a typical magicians prop, which I think is importert to the contemporary mentalist. Secondly it is not only easy to use, but also 100% fail safe. I've tried boxes where you can't be completely sure that it will actually work. With the White Box however, you are always safe and sure it will do the work for you. Thanks, Eric!
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jun 16, 2013 09:47AM)
Thanks, Guys....appreciate all the feedback!

I've continued to play with minor design tweaks to The White Box over the past couple of months and now have a few options available:

1. A non-glare finish. This box has a textured material that is actually a little stronger, yet lighter. I now make all of the 'special parts' out of this material, regardless of the outside finish.
It is not dry-erase marker friendly, as the standard finish is, but if that's not a feature that you care about, this is a really nice alternative that will not reflect stage lighting.

2. I am now using earth magnets in place of velcro for far quieter access. 'Nuff said.

3. I actually went ahead and produced 1 Black Box, after it was suggested. It is available at a slightly higher cost (The WHite Box is still holding at the $299 + shipping price).

4. I also have two larger White Boxes available for anyone who is planning on working a really big venue. Contact me if you're interested in one of these.

Finally, a note that I will be gone for the better part of the month of July, so if you would like a White Box, the last opportunity to ship (until August) will be July 2.

Cheers!

e
Message: Posted by: Jared (Jun 17, 2013 04:42PM)
I echo the sentiments of others...a useful and well designed utility prop. I'd be interested in a smaller version for parlor shows.
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Jun 22, 2013 09:49PM)
I've had quite a few inquiries about the non-glare version.
Here are some photos.
It is actually slightly lighter, yet made of a stronger ABS plastic construction.

FYI, the combination lock in the images isn't included (it comes with a standard small padlock w/keys) - the combo lock pictured is actually a 'special' lock, as a few people have expressed interest in developing this aspect of the box (the lock) into another phase of their routine and I was playing with some possibilities.

I have 4 of these new versions (non-glare) remaining before I produce another lot.
Because of an increased production cost, the new production run will see an increase to $349 (which I had indicated would occur in a previous post).
However, the remaining few White Boxes will remain at the $299 + shipping price, while they last.

If you're interested, just send me a PM or an email at eric@EricSamuels.com

Here's the new look box:
http://postimg.cc/image/9rbatfcm1/

and a close-up view of the finish
http://postimg.cc/image/eehcv6zyx/

Cheers!

e
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Aug 3, 2013 10:47AM)
Had a special request for a Black Box version, so I produced two of them.
The handle has yet to be installed on the Black Box.

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Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Aug 3, 2013 12:47PM)
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On 2013-06-16 10:47, eSamuels wrote:
Thanks, Guys....appreciate all the feedback!

I've continued to play with minor design tweaks to The White Box over the past couple of months and now have a few options available:

1. A non-glare finish. This box has a textured material that is actually a little stronger, yet lighter. I now make all of the 'special parts' out of this material, regardless of the outside finish.
It is not dry-erase marker friendly, as the standard finish is, but if that's not a feature that you care about, this is a really nice alternative that will not reflect stage lighting.

2. I am now using earth magnets in place of velcro for far quieter access. 'Nuff said.

3. I actually went ahead and produced 1 Black Box, after it was suggested. It is available at a slightly higher cost (The WHite Box is still holding at the $299 + shipping price).

4. I also have two larger White Boxes available for anyone who is planning on working a really big venue. Contact me if you're interested in one of these.

Finally, a note that I will be gone for the better part of the month of July, so if you would like a White Box, the last opportunity to ship (until August) will be July 2.

Cheers!

e
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How difficult would it be to retro my existing velcro unit and replace with neo please? Gracias - PM please. Love this baby and WILL use it...
Message: Posted by: DrTodd (Oct 23, 2013 03:19AM)
Turns out I have the perfect occasion for using the white box....

Hope it is still available.

Cheers

Todd
Message: Posted by: oly92 (Oct 26, 2013 04:26PM)
Sent you a pm Eric. Beautiful box!

Olivier
Message: Posted by: illusions & reality (Oct 26, 2013 04:56PM)
I own the slightly larger version that Eric produced for larger audiences. This is beautifully made, simple to use and holds unlimited possibilities for different mentalism routines. Eric's routining suggestions are brilliant. His customer service can't be beat and it has always been a pleasure communicating with him. Eric is definitely one of the good guys!

Lou
Message: Posted by: eSamuels (Oct 26, 2013 06:39PM)
Thanks Lou!
So happy to hear that you are happy with that beast!

And I really do appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and great comments.

After toying with various design tweaks and modifications, I am only producing one 'model' now - the 9" square lucite White Box (smooth exterior finish) with the neo-magnet door.
The price is $349 + shipping.

The White Box has now been run through it's paces by performers all over the world and I've heard some great stories from small rooms to cruise ships and large theatres.


Another routine that's been a cornerstone of my corporate shows has also been getting the run-through by a handful of other performers this past year......
and I'm excited to finally announce that "Thought-Slicing" will be officially released at Mindvention! :)
Thought-Slicing is a two-phase puzzle routine for stage, that uses no change bags, switches, etc. and is built upon a legitimate demonstration of Intuition.
Thought-Slicing offers the added feature of displaying your personal logo on stage (on the backside of the 3' X 2' oval puzzle), adding a marketing/branding element to your show.

More info to come!

And thanks again for all the wonderful support!


e
Message: Posted by: Some_Magical_Idiot (Jul 19, 2019 10:37PM)
I know this is an old thread, but I have one of these boxes that is not being used. If anyone has any desire to own one please PM me. Thx!