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Topic: French Kiss -Wayne Houchin Question
Message: Posted by: magicman491 (Feb 21, 2013 02:05AM)
So, I really love french kiss by wyne houchin it gets the best reaction but I don't like the fact that it pretty much ruins three cards. does anybody know a solution to this? otherwise I cant do it more than once table hopping, and if you do do it more than once, how do you load in the d********s?

Any help much appreciated.
Thanks
Sam
Message: Posted by: Gleemax17 (Feb 21, 2013 02:28AM)
One way forcing deck or you can use a blank deck and do a transportation with the signatures like I did in the past.
Message: Posted by: slyhand (Feb 21, 2013 05:45AM)
Use business cards.
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Feb 21, 2013 09:07AM)
I just go to my "junk box" of busted up decks to grab a few extras for the night. As for loading them in, I just throw them on top before approaching the group or table.
Message: Posted by: magicman491 (Feb 21, 2013 11:35PM)
M Sini, do you have them ready to go in your pocket?
Message: Posted by: Sepharoth (Feb 22, 2013 03:30PM)
It is very possible to do this multiple times in a night. As gleemax17 rightly said, one way is to get a forcing deck - this is the way I do it. I have a forcing deck full of 2 of spades, and keep about 10 of those cards in my inside pocket. When you've performed french kiss once, you're left with your signed card on top. All you now have to do is turn around for a brief moment, grab one of the spares from your pocket and put that second from top. That leaves you ready to perform it again :)
Message: Posted by: M Sini (Feb 22, 2013 07:02PM)
Yes. I keep a small packet of them in my pocket and normally have one set loaded if I know I'm going to perform it at the next table. I just toss the unused one after each performance or hang out to it for a T&R routine.
Message: Posted by: jimvines (Feb 24, 2013 01:06PM)
FK by WH is such an amazing trick. Mindblowing. But... to me it's really more of a bar trick where people are drinking (but not so much eating). I feel like when people are sitting at a dining table, it's kind of weird to fold up a card with your hands and ask them to put it in their mouth... After all, they've just seen you pull these cards out of your pocket, probably have also seen other people at other tables handling the cards with their fingers, etc. I'm not a germophobe at all; but I know that some of the guests in my restaurant are, and I would be highly reluctant to do this trick tablehopping for that reason.
Message: Posted by: Christopher Lyle (Feb 24, 2013 09:08PM)
I agree with Jim on this, but then again, if the moment feels right, who are we to tell you otherwise, right? :) Personally, I would never do this in a restaurant b/c it could easily spoil the guests appetite. In a strolling environment or stage show, yes...your mileage may vary...

Anyhow, when I do this strolling (not in a restaurant), I will have about 10 cards pre-made in my pocket. I have 5 of one card, and 5 of another card. That way if someone should happen to see this twice, I make sure it's a different card. It's simple enough to ring in the pre-signed card at the appropriate moment.

Buy yourself 2 or 3 forcing decks and you're all set for moments like this... :)
Message: Posted by: 1031ent (Sep 15, 2014 11:46PM)
Or you could use a hold out device like the UCCU. I love leaving my gaffed cards in the UCCU and just pulling one out whenever I need it. Nobody even realizes I am setting up for the next trick.
Message: Posted by: JeffreyMichael1127 (Sep 25, 2014 08:19PM)
I recently saw Wayne Houchin speak on this at a lecture. He now does it with the use of a notepad instead of playing cards. He has the spectator autograph a page in his notepad. Then he tears it out and folds it up to give to them to hold in their mouth. He then signs his name in the notepad, tears it out, folds it up, and puts it in his mouth. A bit of build up and presto...the signatures have changed places.
Message: Posted by: twistedace (Sep 26, 2014 05:03AM)
I saw him lecture as well. The notepad idea is a great alternative.
Message: Posted by: frankie5aces (Sep 28, 2014 05:22PM)
I have discovered another way of doing this trick where you only destroy 2 cards..
It requires acting and can be attributed to a hugard trick called relativity and cards.
Maybe you can use that same principle and rip the card in half. Using a dupe and a force. That might be a stronger trick since you can show that they are halves of the same card...
Actually..I like that. I'm going to work in that idea now and get back to you.
Message: Posted by: Stratton Magic (Oct 25, 2014 05:43PM)
I don't own FK, but in lieu of a forcing deck you could do what David Williamson does for T&R Transpo - get two decks and faro them together. That gives you pairs of duplicates for about half of what a forcing deck would cost.
Message: Posted by: dman11 (Oct 26, 2014 10:49AM)
[quote]On Sep 26, 2014, twistedace wrote:
I saw him lecture as well. The notepad idea is a great alternative. [/quote]

I recently saw the lecture as well, the notepads he uses are only about 40 cents at Walmart ! great alternative !
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Oct 30, 2014 02:23PM)
I just can't imagine ever doing this effect. Putting a playing card business card or any other card in your mouth is like putting paper money in your mouth. I'm not a germophobe, but I just don't think it is a good idea to ask someone to put a card that has been handled by a bunch of people, perhaps fallen on the floor, been spread on a table, etc., in their mouth.

KJ
Message: Posted by: BenJammin69 (Oct 31, 2014 10:20AM)
I'm not big on putting cards in my mouth either, but it is a very cool trick. I do a 2 card transposition that has the same loading issues. My favorite solution to this is to load the deck using Steve Reynolds techniques in InVestment. It can be used to add cards and ditch cards pretty easily.
Message: Posted by: tommyellison (Nov 3, 2014 12:50PM)
[quote]On Oct 30, 2014, 1KJ wrote:
I just can't imagine ever doing this effect. Putting a playing card business card or any other card in your mouth is like putting paper money in your mouth. I'm not a germophobe, but I just don't think it is a good idea to ask someone to put a card that has been handled by a bunch of people, perhaps fallen on the floor, been spread on a table, etc., in their mouth.

KJ [/quote]

What if you used a rubber band and placed it around their two hands holding them together? You let someone band your hands likewise and let the transposition begin....?
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Nov 3, 2014 03:23PM)
I too love the notepad idea- but the paper of the two notepads I've used is too thin/translucent (Cambridge and Mead) does anyone who does this with a notepad have a brand with thick enough paper? This feels like such a silly question- but I'm telling you that if I had anyone sign the pads I'm using they would see things they shouldn't. Thank you
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Nov 4, 2014 06:57PM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2014, tommyellison wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 2014, 1KJ wrote:
I just can't imagine ever doing this effect. Putting a playing card business card or any other card in your mouth is like putting paper money in your mouth. I'm not a germophobe, but I just don't think it is a good idea to ask someone to put a card that has been handled by a bunch of people, perhaps fallen on the floor, been spread on a table, etc., in their mouth.

KJ [/quote]

What if you used a rubber band and placed it around their two hands holding them together? You let someone band your hands likewise and let the transposition begin....? [/quote]

I like this idea!
Message: Posted by: tommyellison (Nov 5, 2014 02:20PM)
[quote]On Nov 4, 2014, 1KJ wrote:
[quote]On Nov 3, 2014, tommyellison wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 2014, 1KJ wrote:
I just can't imagine ever doing this effect. Putting a playing card business card or any other card in your mouth is like putting paper money in your mouth. I'm not a germophobe, but I just don't think it is a good idea to ask someone to put a card that has been handled by a bunch of people, perhaps fallen on the floor, been spread on a table, etc., in their mouth.

KJ [/quote]

What if you used a rubber band and placed it around their two hands holding them together? You let someone band your hands likewise and let the transposition begin....?

[/quote]

I like this idea! [/quote]

It will then leave you in perfect position to do "Crazyman's handcuffs"....
Message: Posted by: 1KJ (Nov 7, 2014 09:30PM)
Yes, I love CMH. I have an entire CMH routine with several different methods, some easy, some pretty noodle blowin'

Great thought, T.

KJ
Message: Posted by: Digitalyosh (Nov 9, 2014 06:58PM)
I started using pocket sketchbooks to perform the notepad version (no issues with transparency) and initiate the conversation by stating to sign your name or draw something of significance while my own "drawing" differs depending on my mood.
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Nov 9, 2014 09:16PM)
DigitalYosh- what brand?
Message: Posted by: Digitalyosh (Nov 9, 2014 10:10PM)
I use Rhodia wirebound paper. It's thick enough that there's no bleed through with fountain pens either. Takes some adjustment to work out the move, but it's achievable.
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Nov 9, 2014 10:16PM)
Thanks Yosh!
Message: Posted by: MichaelDouglas (Nov 11, 2014 01:54PM)
[quote]On Nov 3, 2014, Magic1 wrote:
I too love the notepad idea- but the paper of the two notepads I've used is too thin/translucent (Cambridge and Mead) does anyone who does this with a notepad have a brand with thick enough paper? This feels like such a silly question- but I'm telling you that if I had anyone sign the pads I'm using they would see things they shouldn't. Thank you [/quote]

It was mentioned on either During Wayne's lecture here in Richmond a couple of months back, or on the instructional DVD. When doing the notepad version, don't use a sharpie. Instead, use a ballpoint pen. It won't bleed through like a marker will.

I also wouldn't ask a restaurant patron to put a card in their mouth.
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Nov 11, 2014 02:32PM)
Thanks Michael, I was using regular pen/pencil, but it still showed through. I'm off to art stores in search of a heavier duty notebook. I really enjoy the effect and thank all of you (and Magicman491) for starting/contributing to this thread
Message: Posted by: Magic1 (Dec 13, 2014 06:35PM)
If anyone else has come up with other solutions, let me know. Thanks
Message: Posted by: A Birthday Magician (Dec 27, 2014 07:28AM)
I have a whole deck set up so I can repeat it many times...just bought one way decks...added old cards. Its very rare for someone to refuse to bight down on the card. It's my favourite card trick.
Message: Posted by: Trentonmatthew (May 4, 2018 04:21PM)
Any “bristle board” notebook for artists should be thick enough.
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (May 4, 2018 07:50PM)
I have done this table hopping, but instead of having them put it in their mouth, I have them pinch it between their knuckles. I then put "mine" between my knuckles and then touch the two cards together. Works for me.
Message: Posted by: equivoque (May 27, 2020 02:25PM)
How difficult is this to perform, sleight of hand wise?
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 28, 2020 10:51AM)
I think either version, card or notepad is pretty easy, at most a 3 on a 1-10 scale (10 being hardest).

[quote]On May 27, 2020, equivoque wrote:
How difficult is this to perform, sleight of hand wise? [/quote]