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Topic: Best stage prediction
Message: Posted by: karsten9400 (Mar 1, 2013 02:41AM)

What stage prediction would you recommend?
I'm performing a great chair prediction theses days, but what would you Recommend?


Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Mar 1, 2013 02:07PM)
Can't go wrong with a Master Prediction case.

Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Mar 1, 2013 02:44PM)
Wait till you see the new one I'm coming out with this year :) I can't say too much other than the fact that it's coming and it's pretty darn cool :)
Message: Posted by: karsten9400 (Mar 1, 2013 03:42PM)
I've thought a lot about the master prediction, thanks

Chris Stolz
You make me curious, when do you expect it to be released?
Message: Posted by: serg (Mar 1, 2013 04:13PM)
And Don Wayne Dream Vision ....
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Mar 2, 2013 04:08AM)
Master prediction, as it is strong and practical. And with a simple tweak one can make it even stronger.
Message: Posted by: natmagic (Mar 2, 2013 04:28AM)
Chris what type of prediction is yours can you elaborate on it without tipping too many details. Ie: is it a written prediction like MPS or something different
Message: Posted by: karsten9400 (Mar 2, 2013 05:05AM)
Mvmagic, how could I do the master prediction strongere?
The method I want to make is much as Doug Malloy's performance, what will you mean of that?
Message: Posted by: ARNOMAGIE (Mar 2, 2013 06:54AM)
Everytime I saw the Master Prediction performed, I found it obvious....

When I saw Derren Brown doing a personal version of it in one of his shows, I saw a miracle.

But Derren is a genius...
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Mar 2, 2013 07:57AM)
Mine is a written prediction with some big differences that I can show when she's ready. MPS is still fantastic, but mine has a very big feature that sets it apart. It's a serious fooler.

It'll be out this year for sure, just not sure how soon as of yet. We're trying not to rush it in order to make sure she's absolutely perfect. I'll be posting info on it as soon as it's ready.
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Mar 2, 2013 10:21AM)
I have an added kicker ending to the MPS routine that kills. It makes an impossible revelation even more impossible! After the prediction is revealed it is also shown to be stamped on a set of Dog Tags that were hanging around my neck the entire routine.
Message: Posted by: karsten9400 (Mar 2, 2013 12:06PM)
that's sounds nice, that would I like to see

Chris Stolz
let me hear from you when it's ready
Message: Posted by: mvmagic (Mar 2, 2013 12:12PM)
In short, I have the table on stage before I am finished with the audience-so I can just lower the box and reveal the prediction two seconds after its been called out.

Scott, your additions sounds like a killer!
Message: Posted by: Nadzri.Harif (Mar 3, 2013 07:27PM)
I've been using Paul Stockman's Impossible Envelope since last year.

performed the routine as described in the DVD to a room filled with reporters, and the response was amazing.

Large Envelope in plain view - any newspaper, any page, any word. Can easily be adapted for other routines as well.

Hope that helps.
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Mar 3, 2013 09:15PM)
On 2013-03-02 13:12, mvmagic wrote:
In short, I have the table on stage before I am finished with the audience-so I can just lower the box and reveal the prediction two seconds after its been called out.


Hans Klock does this as well...
Message: Posted by: natmagic (Mar 4, 2013 06:21AM)
Force the last part of your prediction then the table can come out before with the 'forcing' props (whatever the magician chooses that item to be). Too many times the table is pushed out just as the box gets lowered.
Message: Posted by: tristanmagic (Mar 4, 2013 07:29AM)
On 2013-03-04 07:21, natmagic wrote:
Force the last part of your prediction then the table can come out before with the 'forcing' props (whatever the magician chooses that item to be). Too many times the table is pushed out just as the box gets lowered.

Like I said this is what Hans klock does ;-)(with thanks to his Magic consultant who created this routine for him)
Message: Posted by: john wills (Mar 4, 2013 02:41PM)
In the 90's Hans Kazan performed (on tv and in- and outside !) a few times
a master prediction, with the TABLE and the BOX already on stage
BEFORE the questions were asked!
Message: Posted by: Chad Sanborn (Mar 4, 2013 11:52PM)
Any of the old prediction chests, with the key injector will still work great today and will fool almost anyone. I've been wanting to do a prediction for a charity event. Where I seal up a prediction and also a special envelope with it. The day of the event we figure out how much money the charity raised, say $10,000 and my prediction is read aloud and it says that they would raise $10,100. Uh oh, Im over a hundred bucks. But then I remind them of the special envelope, as there is one more donation they didn't count. In the envelope is a $100 donation from me bringing the total to $10,100.

Steinmeyer put out a nice prediction chest some years ago too. It was very ingenious. I have a great idea that one day I hope to get to use. The prediction chest is held in the air via a rope. And would be lowered into an audience members hands, not onto a table. The chest is opened by them, and inside is a written prediction that matches whatever you want. I never have to touch the box at all. The only person who touches the box and the prediction is the helper(s) from the audience. Very clean.
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Apr 7, 2013 04:21PM)
On 2013-03-02 13:06, karsten9400 wrote:
that's sounds nice, that would I like to see

Chris Stolz
let me hear from you when it's ready

It's ready :) Hop over to http://masterofillusions.ca and you'll see Crystal Clear.
Message: Posted by: thorin_10 (Apr 7, 2013 06:16PM)
Wow, that looks really cool!!
Message: Posted by: RyanDicharry (Apr 7, 2013 10:18PM)
Does it require a table or chair or is it stand alone?
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Apr 7, 2013 10:27PM)
Chris... that looks awesome!!
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Apr 8, 2013 07:37AM)
On 2013-04-07 23:18, RyanDicharry wrote:
Does it require a table or chair or is it stand alone?

It sits on a geniunely thin table top.
Message: Posted by: dahih beik (Apr 8, 2013 09:17AM)
Does it require an assistant ?
Message: Posted by: ClintonMagus (Apr 8, 2013 09:40AM)
A bit of a different twist, but I have yet to see anything that comes close to Casino Royale for simplicity and effect...
Message: Posted by: Chris Stolz (Apr 10, 2013 10:16AM)
On 2013-04-08 10:17, dahih beik wrote:
Does it require an assistant ?

Can be done with, or without an assistant.
Message: Posted by: downbeatcohort (Apr 10, 2013 04:22PM)
I find that VERY hard to believe. If without assistant I can't imagine the prediction to be very sensational..
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Apr 11, 2013 09:29PM)
LOL.....you are downbeat. ;)
Message: Posted by: TheTableTopTrixta (Apr 16, 2013 06:49AM)
My orders in Chris, I've had a closer look = wow!

How clean is this? Very!

Can't wait :)
Message: Posted by: TheMagicalMan (Dec 7, 2013 04:12PM)
How do you "FORCE" the prediction on the spectator ? Espicially when its not playing cards lol. I recieved the master prediction system from Malloy this week and I love it, I was lucky enough to see your posts. I'm planning to add an audio prediction in the near future. But how do you "FORCE" the prediction on the spectator ?! Thanks.
Message: Posted by: TheMagicalMan (Dec 7, 2013 04:15PM)
Also may I know the name of the book that has Jim Steinemyer's prediction chest that he doesn't touch ? Thank you very much.
Message: Posted by: Ypnoze (Sep 5, 2014 11:31AM)
The box is down, the spectator is on stage, I'm bout to open the box, and I'm like let's do one last thing, something amazing, magical, a card trick, at the end, I fail to find it, I'm like ok, let's proceed, and the prediction says at the end, great show even if I didn't find the "4 of spades"

Do you have any other force method that can be convincing ?

Thanks a lot
Message: Posted by: john wills (Sep 5, 2014 01:27PM)
I wrote about the prediction chest of Hans Kazan and can tell you that
even a last force in not necessary. The box is all the time visual on stage,
standing on the table. No assistent coming on stage and no special key etc.
Message: Posted by: Scott Alexander (Sep 8, 2014 04:24PM)
I vote for this one as the best one man, big reveal version. But I'm biased
Message: Posted by: w_s_anderson (Sep 8, 2014 11:32PM)
I second message in a bottle! it's a phenominal one man routine!!
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Oct 28, 2019 01:56PM)
Thought I would revive this thread since I'm working on improving / reworking my current prediction (which is Cody Fishers excellent comedy confabulation).

I love Cody's routine and method. The only problem is the prediction still ends up on a regular size piece of paper. It's a good trick... but I want to elevate this to a real show closer and I feel like it needs something extra.

Obviously Bill Abbotts No brainer comes to mind... I haven't bought it yet, which is odd because I have pretty much everything he has put out! ha. I like how his version does end with a large prediction that can be seen by the audience.

I am thinking about a prediction chest as well.. like the Master Prediction Chest or Fairchild version....

Would love to hear thoughts of anyone performing a prediction effect regularly.
Message: Posted by: Mike Thornton (Oct 28, 2019 04:27PM)
In my opinion, it doesn't matter much what version you use, it's all about the presentation. I've seen most of the boxes including, Fairchild's and the Crystal Clear (unfortunately accidentally exposed during a live performance by the biggest duo in mentalism.) I bought the Malloy as it's a very classy piece (not too worried about it looking normal) and I purchased Wellington Table bases to match so it packs small. To me, this is nice as it gets as it plays big and packs small. Everyone has their own thoughts but that's what I went for.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Oct 28, 2019 04:41PM)
Thanks mike! Yeah the MPS has my eye... I agree it looks classy and thatís something Iím going for as well.
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Oct 31, 2019 11:33PM)
I have owned MPS and the Revelation Chest. While both are excellent, I prefer the Revelation Chest. It is less expensive and yields the same result. I liked reaching into the chest and grabbing the prediction envelope as opposed to the tube used in the MPS. Far less fumbling and a much larger envelope with the Revelation Chest. My 2 cents!
Message: Posted by: MJ Marrs (Nov 1, 2019 08:00AM)
Iíve been using the MPS (Malloy version) for about ten years. I love it. I have the chest hanging throughout the show and perform the MPS as a second to last routine. Never fails.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Nov 2, 2019 02:18PM)
Thanks for the responses MJ and INMOTION. Lots of good thoughts.

MJ that's a great endorsement for the MPS.. if you have had it for 10 years and you still love it that's huge.
Message: Posted by: jimhlou (Nov 27, 2019 09:32PM)
I've been doing magic for over 40 years, and the only thing in that time that floored me was the MPS. I saw a magician in a small theater in Orlando perform it around 1980-1990. It blew me away. I was completely fooled, and didn't learn the secret until some 10 years later. After you've been doing this awhile, you forget what it's like to be a spectator, watching something that is totally impossible. You lose the feeling of magic and wonder. Too bad we all can't revert to our old selves and watch a great magic show with no idea how any of the tricks work.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Nov 29, 2019 10:53AM)
Great thoughts Jim. I'm trying to remember if I've actually seen the MPS performed live. If I have it wasn't a major part of the show. I've seen it on video, and I've seen many other predictions performed live using various methods.

I do like the tube vs. the envelope, it's a small piece of the puzzle but an important part.
Message: Posted by: Christopher (Feb 24, 2020 01:38PM)
I am working on a new confabulation routine. After a few years, of the listed suggestions: MPS, Crystal Clear, etc, which have any of you used? I'm looking at the Crystal Clear and am curious how flexible this is. I need the prediction to be on a larger paper than shown and with four predictions. Now, I use an off stage assistant for my own method I've been using. I've just decided to mix it up this year and try something new. Thanks for any input.
Message: Posted by: thomasR (Feb 25, 2020 01:21AM)
They all have their drawbacks.... crystal clear doesnít fit my style so Iíve never considered it personally. To me itís clever, but too many parts of it feel a bit strange.

One of the reasons I like MPS is the tube helps justify the box. Why would you put an envelope in a box? Just hang the envelope.

I love Cody fishers routine, the method is brilliant but you end up with a regular sheet of paper which isnít big enough for on stage.

I think you mentioned in the other thread that you arenít a fan of no-brainer?
Message: Posted by: INMOTION (Mar 17, 2020 11:55PM)
I have owned all of them with the exception of Wellington. Have owned MPS w/rolling cart base,
Crystal Clear, Revelation Chest by Fairchild, No Brainer and as well I have Cody Fishers Confab routine.

In the end, recently I went back to the Malloy MPS however w/step ladder base. While expensive, as long as you have a way to hang the chest high enough to warrant a ladder, it's hard to beat this. The ladder base in itself is a thing of beauty, natural looking and deceptive.
Message: Posted by: Miraclemakers (May 14, 2020 01:02AM)
I own the MPS Malloy with table, but the ladder base is a real piece of art......
Message: Posted by: thomasR (May 14, 2020 01:45PM)
I ended up finding a Wellington model MPS and really like it. As long as the table is justified I donít think anyone would suspect it.

The ladder idea is very clever though, and I agree a brilliant invention.