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Topic: Michael Jackson - The next 24 hours
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 19, 2003 02:38PM)
I think the news about Michael Jackson is the "hottest" news in media right now. It's interesting for several reasons:

In the next 24 hours anything can happen. Will he be arrested? Will he turn himself in?

In the longer run, will they find anything? Will he repeat his tactic from several years ago, offer money to the boy and his family?

Will it at last be proven if he is guilty or innocent?

Is this the end of Michael Jackson?

I have no idea.



Mikael
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Nov 19, 2003 02:41PM)
Michael who?
Message: Posted by: GlenD (Nov 19, 2003 02:53PM)
:dance:
Message: Posted by: Jonathan Townsend (Nov 19, 2003 04:06PM)
Yes, a new version of 24, that show on fox.

when it gets made into a mini-series... who will play the parts?

I don't know how to react to this latest media event of a raid on his house. They knew he was not home and there has been no formal charge, just harrasment if you ask me.

Let's consider some less trivial questions... WHY ARE PARENTS DELIVERING THEIR CHILDREN TO THE HOME OF THAT MAN FOR SLEEPOVER PARTIES??? BACK 15 YEARS AGO... AND EVEN THIS YEAR. WHY AREN'T THOSE PARENTS BEING PROSECUTED FOR CHILD ENDANGERMENT OR AS UNFIT PARENTS?

From a quick look at the photos from his youth to today... I begin to wonder if he's already done more damage to himself than the courts could.
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Nov 19, 2003 04:17PM)
Hasn't he got a new album about to be launched?
Nice timing if you want to "dish some dirt out"

Howard
Message: Posted by: Welshwizard (Nov 20, 2003 07:29AM)
If you're child had been sexually assaulted would you settle for an out of court settlement? NO.

Investigators into the case have appealed for other victims to come forward. What a stupid idea-countless lying gold diggers will surface from everywhere. This has already turned into a witch hunt and if he is convicted the only way he will get out is if Uri Geller bends the bars of his cell.

Personally, I do not think Michael Jackson is such a 'huge talent'. He can sing, a bit. He can dance, a bit. He can even compose his own music, a bit. His incarceration would be no great loss. If he is innocent then I would feel very sorry for him. Maybe they should have given his big interview to Louis Theroux rather than Michael Bashir.
Message: Posted by: GlenD (Nov 20, 2003 10:00AM)
I tend to feel that he is innocent. From his interview and people settling out of court, etc. But it is only a feeling, who really knows for sure.
But if he is truly innocent then I hope this stuff ends once and for all.
If he is guilty then where's the proof ? There has got to be some!!! And if he is found guilty then put the sicko away where he belongs and I am sure he will get what he deserves in the end.

GlenD
Message: Posted by: KingStardog (Nov 20, 2003 12:07PM)
When big money is involved....anything can and does happen. People disapear, are wrongly jailed and prosecuted and sometimes falsly accused by the media.

I don't know the all facts,and like the rest of the world may never realy know them. This guy has admited on camera that he likes to sleep in the same bed as young boys and believes that this is "normal"

If it was my child, you would be seeing how the story ended on TV, not if he surrendered or not.

Nuf said.
Message: Posted by: GlenD (Nov 20, 2003 03:11PM)
So how do these kids end up at his house for a sleep-over anyways ?? I assume he is'nt kidnapping them.
Kind of makes you wonder.
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Nov 20, 2003 03:13PM)
Its also a sensational enough story/issue to deflect the public from the real issues confronting the USA.

Howard
Message: Posted by: Ellen Kotzin (Nov 20, 2003 09:09PM)
I think a lot of MONEY was involved with the parents.
Sick.

Ellen
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 20, 2003 09:54PM)
Even if it turns out that he is innocent, I think that the only reasonable thing he can do from now on, is to stop letting children sleep over at his house.

Alternatively, why not invite the parents at the same time and let them and the children get a room of their own and sleep there?



Mikael
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Nov 20, 2003 11:26PM)
First of all, he is innocent, until proven otherwise in a court of law.

The most disturbing thing about Michael's troubles with kids is what he chose to name the place: [b]Neverland[/b] Ranch. Wasn't Neverland the place in Peter Pan where the lost boys ran to so that they would never have to grow up?

As others have said, I'm more than sure that, when many of those parents heard their kid was invited to Michael Jackson's place, they saw dollar signs in their eyes.

[quote]
On 2003-11-19 15:53, GlenD wrote:
:dance:
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I think that needs to be fleshed out a bit:
[img]http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/9074.gif[/img]
Message: Posted by: Mistro (Nov 21, 2003 12:27AM)
I hope Michael Jackson goes to jail! He deserves to go to jail for all the things he's done to those kids!
Message: Posted by: irossall (Nov 21, 2003 06:58AM)
Sorry you feel that way Mistro. I would think that you and most people would like the benefit of a trial before being locked up. Michael Jackson is guilty of being naive that's for sure but guilty of anything more than that? I would prefer to hear the evidence against him before condeming him to prison or worse.
I too thought that he was guilty of pedophilia but having had time to think long and hard about all we know about Jackson's past and the lack of any real solid proof of any wrongdoing, I am going to wait and hear all sides and see what evidence or proof comes out in court. I hope that the judge and jury (if any) are a little more open minded and aren't so quick to pass judgement until all the facts are in.
If we can't allow Michael Jackson to be considered inocent until proven guilty why should we be considered inocent until proven guilty?
Let's try him in a legal court of law, not in the media.
With that said, you have a right to your opinion but maybe you should sit low for a while and do some serious thinking and soul searching and try to have at least a little compasion for your fellow man.
Peace :righton:
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: GlenD (Nov 21, 2003 10:30AM)
Thanks for the clarification, Scott, that really helps. My dancing icon was a bit generic, your is way better. Nice job!

GlenD
Message: Posted by: RandyStewart (Nov 21, 2003 11:08AM)
Anything or anyone costing me a lawsuit and some $20 million dollars would certainly find my doors shut from there on. The first accusation and out of court settlement, 10 years ago, would of been enough for most to protect themselves against this happening again. First step....uh....stop sleeping with little boys? Yes that would be a smart move. Apparently not much changed thereafter and here we are again with the same accusation and similar details.

When asked what he thought about sleeping with children at the age of 45, he responded by saying "it's a beautiful thing".

I'm sure the 12 year old's parents will feel the same way when Michael is forced to pull out the checkbook.

Ugh......Everyone (Michael, fans, children - everyone) loses in cases like this.
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Nov 21, 2003 01:22PM)
Hmmm...Sounds like shades of Salem, MA. (should there be another punctuation mark there?) I will start by saying I am not a fan of any of his music. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe that Jackson is guilty of this. The whole thing stinks of false allegations. I agree with Scott Cram. Sounds like this kid may have been invited to the ranch (apparently he is terminally ill) and slept over. Knowing the previous allegations if I were a parent there is NO WAY I would place my child into that unless I were a horrible parent or looking for quick cash (essentially the same thing). I too would look to file charges against the parents for allowing the opportunity to occur.
The whole business is appalling.
Jason
Message: Posted by: tboehnlein (Nov 21, 2003 02:08PM)
You think that is bizarre I work in a call center & this call was just escelated to me as a supervisor " TOOK SUP CALL: IF MR CALLS BACK IN PLZ GET HIM TO SECURITY AS HE IS
STATING THAT TERRORISTS HAVE CONTROL OF HIS PHONE AND ARE BOMBARDING HIM WITH
A RAY AND ARE PREVENTING HIM FROM DIALING THE FBI. HE ALSO HAS STATED THAT Michael
JACKSON IS A PART OF THE TERRORISTS GROUP" Jason this came from your hometown area
Message: Posted by: bigchuck (Nov 21, 2003 05:37PM)
Why would anyone just GIVE millions of dollars (let me say that again -- MILLLLLLIONS of dollars) to anyone if they werent hiding something ?

Of course, it also is the parents job to keep their kids at home, think about it -- if there is a 40 year old guy in your neighborhood sleeping with young boys, & you are a parent what would you do ?

Michael Jackson is the product of having absolutely no limits to keep him 'in check' (just look at his face & you'll see what I mean) so who knows what else he might be doing.

One thing that should be noted with THIS case is that there is no civil case filed as of yet -- just a criminal one, so if they WERE after money -- this was a dumb way to do it.
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Nov 21, 2003 09:53PM)
This is just what I've heard:

Basically the kid was dieing from cancer, and his whole family was LIVING with MJ at the ranch.

MJ was paying for all their expenses and all of the kids medical bills...

I also heard that when they would go on trips or whatever to like las vegas, the parents would sleep in a hotel room next to MJ and THE KID... He also says he sees nothing wrong with sleeping with kids, it "its the best way to show your love"....


Also, I heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard from a guy who knows the family that apparently micheal gave the kid sleeping pills(the kid knew this and wanted them to sleep) and while the kid was getting drowsy MJ propositioned him saying that since he was dieing anyway, why not do "this" and make everyone happy.... Not sure I believe that though, sounds too shady even for Jackson...

But come on, REGULAR CELEBRITIES don't get charged multiple times by many different people about having sex with kids, nor do normal people sleep with other people's kids and have a ranch where you can spend tons of time alone with a kid. It's not like this is all stemming from nowhere.

We all know he's guilty...
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 22, 2003 06:28AM)
The thing that makes me wonder is that it seems like the kid in question is the same kid appearing in one of the programs about Michel Jackson, and he believed it's thanks to Michael he got cured from cancer, and he was very positive and talked very well about Michael.

If it's that kid, to me it's an indicator that the allegations MIGHT be true, since it's such a u-turn from the kids previous claims about Michael.

I must say though, that I CAN understand the logic in paying money to have the first family drop their charges. If he was innocent, there would still be a high risk that he would be convicted.

American courts are not perfect nor are any other courts in the world. And we have all heard how pedophiles are looked upon by other prisoners. They are on the lowest step in the hierarchy, and they are the ones killed first in prison riots etc. I would not like to be in prison with this sentence, even if I was innocent.



Mikael
Message: Posted by: Jason Wethington (Nov 22, 2003 07:57AM)
I think the only thing Jackson is guilty of is being different.
Perhaps Jackson told the family to get lost and that he wouldn't be footing their bills anymore. Next thing you know he's being accused of molestation. Oh well lynch the freak they say, he MUST be guilty! Guilty until proven innocent. That's my mantra. Lets step back for a moment and think about things before we send someone (possibly innocent) to jail.
Jason
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 22, 2003 09:23AM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-22 08:57, Jason Wethington wrote:

Lets step back for a moment and think about things before we send someone (possibly innocent) to jail.
Jason
[/quote]

I agree. Just my reflections.



Mikael
Message: Posted by: irossall (Nov 22, 2003 06:13PM)
Further thinking on this matter led me to the thought that maybe the reason that Jackson paid the millions to the parents 10 years ago, is just another example of how naive Jackson really is. Maybe Jackson thought that going to court to prove his inocents would only prolong the negative publicity but paying out the "hush money" would allow things to quiet down much sooner and he could get back to his life and work. Paying out a large sum of money is not proof of guilt, only circumstantial at best. If Michael Jackson EVER sleeps with anyone under the age of 21 again, he is truly foolish. If I was him I don't think that I would sleep with anyone under 80.
Iven :patty:
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 22, 2003 07:23PM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-22 19:13, irossall wrote:

If Michael Jackson EVER sleeps with anyone under the age of 21 again, he is truly foolish. If I was him I don't think that I would sleep with anyone under 80.
Iven :patty:
[/quote]



:rotf: Yeah, that might be a good idea maybe. Or he might want to move to Sweden. I guess you will be shocked to hear that the age of consent here is 15. :(



Mikael
Message: Posted by: MacGyver (Nov 22, 2003 07:53PM)
There are a LOT of states in the USA where 16 is the legal age of consent, and many more where its as low as 14 when both participants are under 21 I believe.
Message: Posted by: Scott Cram (Nov 22, 2003 10:33PM)
As you know, Michael Jackson is back in Las Vegas. He staying at Lake Las Vegas Resort (where Celine Dion stays), which is less than 10 miles directly south of where I live. (Whopee.)

He was seen at the Fiesta Hotel/Casino playing blackjack today. He wasn't very good. He wouldn't hit on anything over 12.
:bg:
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 23, 2003 08:57AM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-22 20:53, MacGyver wrote:

...and many more where its as low as 14 when both participants are under 21 I believe.


[/quote]



Well, if both are around 14, I think most people think it's okay, but in Sweden the age of consent means that a 50 year old can be with a 15 year old. That feels awkward.



Mikael
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Nov 23, 2003 09:07AM)
Quote:

"..if both are around 14, I think most people think its OK "

Really !!!

I take it you don't have kids of your own Mikael ? Otherwise I'm sure you would feel differently. If not then there is no wonder the World is in the state it is.

Howard
Message: Posted by: RiffClown (Nov 23, 2003 10:07AM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-22 23:33, Scott Cram wrote:
He wouldn't hit on anything over 12.
:bg:
[/quote]


Sounds like a trend. :(
Message: Posted by: Mikael Eriksson (Nov 23, 2003 03:31PM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-23 10:07, hkwiles wrote:
Quote:

"..if both are around 14, I think most people think its OK "

Really !!!

I take it you don't have kids of your own Mikael ? Otherwise I'm sure you would feel differently. If not then there is no wonder the World is in the state it is.

Howard


[/quote]



No, I don't have kids of my own. And if I had, I would think 14 was too early, even if the other kid was 14.

What I meant was that if you compare two 14 year olds being together, with a 50 year old being together with a 14 year old, I think most people would prefer the two kids being together.

Sorry if I upset you. If anyone else still feels upset even though I have clarified what I meant, I can delete my post. No problem.



Mikael
Message: Posted by: hkwiles (Nov 23, 2003 05:10PM)
Hi Mikael,
No I wasn't upset, more dissappointed.. cos you are right ..some people would think its OK.
I'm nott sure what to think re Mr Jackson

certainly he has problems
certainly he is naive
certainly there are a lot of people who don't care how low they stoop to make a quick buck(s.

Hasn't stopped our Tv advertising his Greatest hits CD for Christmas!!!

cheers
Howard
Message: Posted by: ChrisZampese (Nov 23, 2003 05:11PM)
Whew!! Talk about learning things about each other!!
There are some very...telling comments on this thread!

As far as multi-million dollar payouts, and that being incentive to not ever do this again..I don't think 10 million means a whole lot to MJ, whose net worth Forbes estimates at around $350 million (thats a bit like me buying someone a beer!).

As far as his guilt or innocence goes, I agree with those that say 'let the court decide' After all, that's why we have a legal system!

It may be a good idea for Michael not to let kids stay at his house anymore, but that in itself is hardly a crime.