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Topic: Interesting Observation on Description Effect
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 2, 2013 12:08PM)
I've been having a lot of fun with this effect. If you haven't heard about it its a very quick word divination of any word found on the back description of the card box. There's no fishing, no pumping, and its easy to do.

There's a video demo floating around on the net of the effect in action.

It's one of those simple effects that I originally thought was just something to fill between two main effects when doing a strolling set. I didn't realize how strong of a reaction it would get in the right context. I'm curious what other think might be going on here. This gets as strong of reaction as having someone think of any word off that top of their head and writing it down.
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Mar 2, 2013 12:17PM)
Hi patrick,
What is the name of the effect?

Kieran
Message: Posted by: brehaut (Mar 2, 2013 12:50PM)
Can you post the video ? Thx
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 2, 2013 02:37PM)
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On 2013-03-02 13:17, magicman29 wrote:
Hi patrick,
What is the name of the effect?

Kieran
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It's his new marketed trick.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 2, 2013 03:40PM)
The effect is called Description. I'm not sure I'm aloud to post a video as it is a newly marketed effect.

Though I am interested in thoughts to the above.
Message: Posted by: Anthony Black (Mar 2, 2013 05:20PM)
Here we go...

Video:

http://vimeo.com/59943874

Description:

A natural word divination of any word found in the description on the back of a box of cards. It works every time. Description is a proudly crafted effect using nothing more than the card box, a pen, and an audience.

100% Accurate
No Secret Writing
No Force
No Peeks
No Fishing

Bonus ideas include methods on predicting any 50-50 choice such as Heads or Tails, Dead or Alive, Yes or no, etc.

Price:

$10


Link:

http://www.magic-by-george.com/store/description.html
Message: Posted by: MichaelCGM (Mar 2, 2013 05:36PM)
[quote]On 2013-03-02 13:08, Patrick Redford wrote: I'm curious what other think might be going on here. [/quote]If the promo points are 100% true, then I haven't a clue about what's going on. Two points, though: Unless one is using a dry-erase marker, using this for strolling might not work too well (having to use a new pack or new cello each time). And, I'm wondering why the $10.00 price tag on such a strong effect, with all the advantages mentioned in the promo. I promised myself that I was only buying one new effecty in 2013 - which I already have. If this is as good as it sounds, I might be tempted to break my promise. :) Anybody have a review for thos one?
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Mar 2, 2013 06:08PM)
Yeah, I have this. I wached the video download and my first impression was that it was a clever and original piece of thinking. I have played with it for a few days now, and my thoughts haven't really changed. You will need to work with the handling a little bit.

It is difficult to be specific, as I don't want to reveal anything, but I will say that trim and junctions can sometimes be a problem, so you need to be sure which way you should be going (I think that is sufficiently vague). But don't be put off by any of that - it is all manageable. You will want to note that you may have problems performing this with an older (or indeed future) version of the Bicycle deck boxes, so you may want to stock up on them if you like what you can do.

This is, in my opinion, a great method of introducing a deck of cards into a set in a natural way and without raising any red flags in the minds of your audience.

Let me also state that I am completely objective here and that Patrick and I are not friends (he has repeatedly been very clear to me about that point :) ).

Honestly, this is worth the ten dollars and if you use cards or want to find a way to introduce them in your set in a way that emphasizes that you are a mind reader, this is for you - but it will take some practice.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: MichaelCGM (Mar 2, 2013 06:54PM)
Thanks Atlas.
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 2, 2013 09:52PM)
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On 2013-03-02 19:08, MagicAtlas wrote:
I wached the video download and my first impression was that it was a clever and original piece of thinking.
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Doc Dixon--"Extra Extra."
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 2, 2013 09:56PM)
You can do this with one deck and repeat it pretty quick. You don't need dry erase. You won't need a new deck for each performance. It's worth the 10 clams.
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Mar 3, 2013 12:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-02 22:52, the Sponge wrote:
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On 2013-03-02 19:08, MagicAtlas wrote:
I wached the video download and my first impression was that it was a clever and original piece of thinking.
[/quote]

Doc Dixon--"Extra Extra."
[/quote]

They do sound similar, but from the ad copy on "Extra! Extra!", it sounds like a word is divined rather than predicted.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 3, 2013 03:21PM)
I'm confused why this was moved as I didn't start this thread to be a review thread but rather a discussion (see first posting).
Message: Posted by: kannon (Mar 3, 2013 05:43PM)
When you say "what might be going on here" would you be referring to why the reactions are so good or how we think the effect could be accomplished?

I'm taking it to be the former the reactions ... or is the latter.

Perhaps the cleanness of it, no writing down, no overt fishing. I guess also there is a nice kind of visualness and off-handed approach to it rather then a procedural approach. Fewer commands and instructions carried ... write XXXX, fold it back up, ok hand it.... Just look, think ... in the same way an SW is to the point.

But I haven't got it try it, so just assuming...
Message: Posted by: nique (Mar 3, 2013 10:22PM)
Patrick,

Perhaps it's the incidental feel of the effect. Within the context of strolling, one would expect a deck of cards to be around. And also that the cards are used in such a way that's not expected ("...pick a card..."), I think adds to its charm. It's also very simple and direct I suppose.

Am very tempted to pick this up!

~ Nique
Message: Posted by: Paul Shirley (Mar 3, 2013 11:07PM)
I have this. Very clever, Mr Redford.... and at $10, I'm not sure how anyone can be 'on the fence' about it.

I have paid 3 times the amount for one effect... that I don't like nearly half as much as I do this one.

Nice work.
Message: Posted by: magic maniac (Mar 4, 2013 10:02AM)
Just to be clear, you won't need a new deck for each performance ?
Message: Posted by: lemonjug (Mar 4, 2013 10:28AM)
Hi, I'm interested in the bonus ideas. Do these also require a deck?

Thanks,

Ray
Message: Posted by: Atlas (Mar 4, 2013 11:47AM)
No, one deck should last you a very long time. And, yes, the bonus ideas require a box (not a deck) but they can be used with the same box as you normally use.

The whole thing is really fairly clever and subtle.

As far as Patrick's question regarding response, I personally feel that the reaction that you get is down to the juxtaposition created between a person's expectations when you introduce a deck of cards and what you actually perform using the deck. When you put the marker down and the prediction visibly cannot be altered, you have a strong element of implied control over your subject that is hard to top.

I am using this more and more in a casual setting, and follow with 'The Crusade' (A Mind Reader's ACAAN) and the effect is positively electric. As I said earlier, this is an excellent method of introducing cards in a natural way that places emphasis on the fact that you are a mind reader, and not a sleight of hand artist.

Best,

Atlas
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 5, 2013 11:02AM)
Just thought I'd chime back in with a answers to the few of the questions. First thanks to Atlas for coming in an answering questions before I could come back and do so.

While it's possible to use a dry erase marker for this effect quite effectively, it's unnecessary. This is a very easy effect to do walk around.


As for Dixon's Extra! Extra! These are very different effects in both method and application. Dixon's effect uses the guarantee card and brilliantly uses it in an incidental manor rather than making it seem like a planned effect.

For the 50/50 predictions I would highly recommend using a dry erase marker as then the effect may be repeatable more easily. And yes it does use the card box as a writing surface.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 5, 2013 09:03PM)
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On 2013-03-04 12:47, MagicAtlas wrote:
As far as Patrick's question regarding response, I personally feel that the reaction that you get is down to the juxtaposition created between a person's expectations when you introduce a deck of cards and what you actually perform using the deck. When you put the marker down and the prediction visibly cannot be altered, you have a strong element of implied control over your subject that is hard to top.
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I think you're right in this regard. I think one of the strengths is like reading someones mind after he or she thought of a random word from a book... in the right environment it seems to play innocently enough where as in the wrong environment a book would seem out of place. Good observation, Atlas.
Message: Posted by: Bill Cushman (Mar 6, 2013 09:39PM)
I agree, Atlas has made some excellent points. Description is typical Redford-outside-the-box-(intended pun)-thinking. I've yet to perform it but my instincts say it will be fun and effective especially framed as mentioned above.

And for ten bucks! Patrick's tangential comments are worth at least that!
Message: Posted by: p_n_g (Mar 7, 2013 01:04AM)
I've just seen it, and I think it's a good effect.
It requires some practice, so you probably can't do it at once, but there are no hardcore sleights at all. Every "move" can be hided well, and the audience will not suspect anything.

What was interesting to me, that while the original effect ( word circled on the back ), is good, I think, the psychology behind the additional effect is better.
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 9, 2013 09:41PM)
P_n_g just curious which bonus feature you like the best: heads/tails, yes/no, etc.?
Message: Posted by: tincture (Mar 10, 2013 01:44PM)
I'm late to the party on this one. Must pick it up!
Message: Posted by: p_n_g (Mar 15, 2013 01:27AM)
@Patrick Redford:

There is a handling which rules out every possible method ( only one written text/at a specific position ).
I had two in my mind to accomplish those 50/50 predictions, but when I saw the secret(s), I found that it gives a very cool logical disconnect.
Just two method combined, and I've just fooled one of my knowledgeable friend :)
Message: Posted by: magicman29 (Mar 17, 2013 09:26AM)
I just got this and love it! Great thinking again by patrick!

Kieran
Message: Posted by: Patrick Redford (Mar 20, 2013 12:48PM)
@P_N_G.

I'm glad it's working well for you and that you were able to give your friend that experience! Sometimes we can become jaded as performers and its such a great feeling to be fooled and bring back that small moment of wonder.

@magicman29.

Thanks Kieran! I'm so pleased you enjoyed it.