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Topic: Busking?
Message: Posted by: Digital Backlot (Nov 20, 2003 11:32PM)
I'm an nob. What does Busking mean and is it legal? Gawd I feel stupid.
Message: Posted by: Shawn74 (Nov 21, 2003 01:17AM)
Busking is basically another word for street performing. Not to be confused with street magic, which seems to be wandering on a whim and approaching random people to perform for.

When busking one usually sets up in a particular area and begins drawing a crowd to see the show, or as in the case in San Fransisco, the are asigned(sp?) a stage and a time to go on. At the end of the performance they will usually "pass the hat" or tip jar for tips from the audience.

Hope this helps clear it up a little for you. If anyone else has a more precise definition I would love to hear it
Thank You
Shawn
Message: Posted by: Digital Backlot (Nov 22, 2003 03:14AM)
Is this legal? I saw a guy selling balloon animals on the Hollywood strip and he told me it's not legal to perform on the street.
Message: Posted by: BroDavid (Nov 22, 2003 09:39AM)
It all depends on the venue and laws of that jurisdiction. That said, it also depends on the attitude of the local gendarmes. In other words, even if it is legal, if the local police think you are a problem, they will toss you anyway.

It comes down to three things; the law, common sense, common courtesy.

The Law: If it is against the law, don't do it - or be prepared to pay the consequences.

Common Sense: If it isn't against the law, but you are blocking someone's place of business, a sidealk, or a street, don't do it.

Common Courstesy: If somebody else is working there, don't do it. Respect their space.

BroDavid
Message: Posted by: RandomEffects (Nov 22, 2003 11:31AM)
You can always check with your local town hall. they can usually tell you whether or not it is legal, if you need a permit, and how much said permit may cost.

This can very from state to state as to which office you need to get this info from fun.

Mat Random
Message: Posted by: Dynamike (Nov 22, 2003 11:12PM)
Yep, the laws do vary in states and also cities. Check with city/county building to get info.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Dec 19, 2003 04:20PM)
The laws on busking vary. Sometimes you can get a permit to perform for the public as long as you don't directly ask for donations.

I think the various definitions of busking vs. "street magic" have been fairly clear. "Street Magic" as David Blaine would have us believe is magic that is performed by walking up to random strangers on the street and inflicting, I mean, performing the same trick over and over.

What it seems to actually be is David Blaine walking up to actors and celebrities on the street, performing the same trick over and over, then editing out the ones where he screws up.

Another element of street performing is that of making sure you have one impossible method for anything that you can perform only on television so your friends who have video companies can make a lot of bucks selling incorrect information as to how it is done.

Not that David would actually do that, you know.
Message: Posted by: Luke Sherratt (Dec 19, 2003 06:08PM)
Where I live the Council said I can perform any time, any place, any where(as long as I am not in a doorway) and you don't need a permit that would be fine and dandy but I don't have a street act yet :(

Regards,

Luke
Message: Posted by: ed rhodes (Dec 20, 2003 11:46AM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-19 19:08, Luke Sherratt wrote:
Where I live the Council said I can perform any time, any place, any where(as long as I am not in a doorway) and you don't need a permit that would be fine and dandy but I don't have a street act yet :(

Regards,

Luke
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...where is this happy place? I haven't gotten around to checking on my area yet. (Since I've started working nights at Wal-Mart, the option may not be open to me anymore!)
Message: Posted by: JJDrew (Jan 14, 2004 01:04AM)
In the U.S. busking is actually considered a form of free speech and in theory is therefore protected by law. Of course, there are enough laws out there regarding permits, blocking the right of way, public disturbance, etc., that this fact should be taken with a grain of salt. If you have a run-in with local authorities, accusing them of violating your constitutional rights will just make them angry. Best to research the local guidelines before making your debut and have any permits necessary.
Message: Posted by: BeMan (Jan 24, 2004 07:48PM)
[quote]
On 2003-12-19 17:20, Bill Palmer wrote:
The laws on busking vary. Sometimes you can get a permit to perform for the public as long as you don't directly ask for donations.

I think the various definitions of busking vs. "street magic" have been fairly clear. "Street Magic" as David Blaine would have us believe is magic that is performed by walking up to random strangers on the street and inflicting, I mean, performing the same trick over and over.

What it seems to actually be is David Blaine walking up to actors and celebrities on the street, performing the same trick over and over, then editing out the ones where he screws up.

Another element of street performing is that of making sure you have one impossible method for anything that you can perform only on television so your friends who have video companies can make a lot of bucks selling incorrect information as to how it is done.

Not that David would actually do that, you know.
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I'm really getting sick of people baggin' on Blaine because he's famous and on TV and they aren't. Because that's what it boils down to. That guy performed magic since he was four. You think he needs to videotape 5 or 6 tries on different people before he gets it right? He can't show you every bit of magic he performs on a one hour special.

Anyway, back to the topic. Busking is like a mix between a close-up show and street magic. You're not strolling around performing like Blaine, but you're not doing a show that people have to pay to get in and watch. You have a small table (usually) or at least a performance area and stay there performing magic. You'd have a hat or jar for tips and people watch and, well, tip you. I wouldn't pass the jar around, though. You're just asking for someone to run off with it.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 24, 2004 10:22PM)
Sorry if you took my comments about Blaine to be "bagging" on him.

I suggest that you read a few more posts before you start assuming things like that.
Message: Posted by: big k (Jan 25, 2004 08:16PM)
If I layed out a table and did this busking thing would it be best to just have a jar that said "tips"? You guys said it's not best to pass it around.

Thanks,

big k
Message: Posted by: RobertBloor (Jan 25, 2004 09:27PM)
If you want to see a REAL street performer check out Gazzo's UNCESNORED video (if you can find it). Also catch Jim Cellini's Art of Street Performing.

The two will set you back about $100 for both but one could make that back in a day if one were any good.

Robert Bloor
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Jan 26, 2004 02:10PM)
Blaine is not a street magician and never has been. There is a separate forum for guys who like Blaine. It's not that we don't like him, but his stuff doesn't belong here.

koz
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 27, 2004 03:52AM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-25 21:16, big k wrote:
If I layed out a table and did this busking thing would it be best to just have a jar that said "tips"? You guys said it's not best to pass it around.

Thanks,

big k


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No, use a hat and hold on to it. You need to see how it's done first, before you form any preconcieved notions about what you do.

Get the Gazzo video and the Cellini video. See the masters work it.

I learned how to do it by watching other people do it, then figuring out how to take what I could do and use it to earn a buck.

It's not easy, and it's not for everyone.

I'm glad I don't have to do it for a living anymore, BUT I know that if I need to, I can go out and do it again.

But you need a lot of things besides a table, a hat and a bunch of tricks to do it.
Message: Posted by: magicsoup (Jan 27, 2004 09:21AM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-25 21:16, big k wrote:
If I layed out a table and did this busking thing would it be best to just have a jar that said "tips"? You guys said it's not best to pass it around.

Thanks,

big k
[/quote]Are you doing a close up show? If so I think this would be ok except for the jar. Use a hat or a fancy large snifter type of glass. And don't just let it sit there. Refer to it. Be bold, say something like "tips are my wages." I do this sort of thing at the fringe festival. In that atmosphere it is quite easy to attract a small crowd and perform for maybe 10 min and collect $$ then let them go.
Message: Posted by: ReDEyE (Jan 29, 2004 02:35AM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-26 15:10, tedb wrote:
Blaine is not a street magician and never has been. There is a separate forum for guys who like Blaine. It's not that we don't like him, but his stuff doesn't belong here.

koz
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Obviously Blaine is a strolling magician and not a "street magician" but about having another forum for "guys that like Blaine"? That's ridiculous. Respect the man for bringing astonishment into people's lives and I believe his "stuff" most definitely belongs on these forums. Peace :dance:
Message: Posted by: JesterMan (Jan 29, 2004 08:27AM)
Red,

Go to the MAIN forum menu here on the Café. Go three boxes down from "Sidewalk Shuffle" to "Street Magic" and you will see what Koz was talking about. Of course, that forum is for walking around performing random acts of magic on folks, not walking around with a huge TV crew, re-takes, and a heavy duty editing team---so, not [i]exactly[/i] about him.

What DB does/portrays on TV is NOT what is discussed in this forum.
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 29, 2004 09:19AM)
[quote]
On 2004-01-29 03:35, ReDEyE wrote:
[quote]
On 2004-01-26 15:10, tedb wrote:
Blaine is not a street magician and never has been. There is a separate forum for guys who like Blaine. It's not that we don't like him, but his stuff doesn't belong here.

koz
[/quote]

Obviously Blaine is a strolling magician and not a "street magician" but about having another forum for "guys that like Blaine"? That's ridiculous. Respect the man for bringing astonishment into people's lives and I believe his "stuff" most definitely belongs on these forums. Peace :dance:
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Hey, Redeye:

Maybe you ought to take a really close look at the forum before you start jumping on us for delineating what our turf is and what Blaine's turf is.

We are not trying to put Blaine down. What he does and what his clones are trying to do is not what we do. And it really isn't "Street" magic, either. It's table hopping done without a table. Maybe he should have called his special "Sidewalk Magic with a big Television Crew."

I have nothing at all against David Blaine. Why should I? I got work because of his shows. He is a very original artist. But his copyists are none of the above. That's why there is a special section of the forum just for them.

Chill out.
Message: Posted by: Paddy (Jan 29, 2004 12:25PM)
[quote]
On 2003-11-21 02:17, Shawn74 wrote:
Busking is basically another word for street performing... When busking one usually sets up in a particular area and begins drawing a crowd to see the show, or as in the case in San Fransisco, the are asigned(sp?) a stage and a time to go on. At the end of the performance they will usually "pass the hat" or tip jar for tips from the audience.
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Shawn, my understand of "Busking" is just "working for tips." Not necessarily entertaining but even including restaurant servers and others who rely on tips for the majority of their income.

Peter
Message: Posted by: Bill Palmer (Jan 29, 2004 03:33PM)
Not exactly. Busking involves active solicitation for tips. Tipping waiters and waitresses is pretty much a "given"; buskers make it very clear to the audience that they NEED a tip, they WANT a tip, and the audience is EXPECTED to tip.
Message: Posted by: BradleyNott (Jan 29, 2004 03:33PM)
BeMan,

The argument that people dislike a magician if he or she gets famous on TV because they themselves haven't made it big is totally bogus.

First of all you are supposing that we all want to be TV magicians. That isn't true, not everyone has what it takes to be a television entertainer.

Second, you assume money and being a TV star is the sign of success. Maybe to you, but not to everyone. Some good souls on this earth do what they do for a living because they enjoy it and because they enjoy entertaining.

Third, if we should hate one TV magician because he/she is "successful" and we aren't, then we should hate them all. It's only fair to avoid having a double standard, right? Therefore everyone should hate Mark Wilson, right? By your logic...yes.

Do people hate Mark Wilson? I seriously doubt it. He's THE most famous TV magician. He's had more time on TV doing high quality magic than anybody else. His specials still run in some countries.

BeMan, not everyone is driven by greed for power and a desire to be held high above others. Humility is a trait I constantly work on, and one that I think too many people ignore.


That being said...busking...
Simply a magic performance outdoors in a public place, that is stationary in as much as the performer usually has a small stand or table to perform on and hold props.

The key is the performer is the feature...people come and gather around to see him or her perform.

Blaine GOES TO people, begging them to see stuff. It is inherently different.

Hope I cleared it up.

For the record, I don't hate Blaine, or really anyone for that matter because it gets me nowhere and usually wastes my time. However, I do detest the arguments of Blaine supporters because their defense is often so vicious instead of calm and logical.

Cheers :stout:
Message: Posted by: Kozmo (Jan 29, 2004 10:56PM)
[quote]It's table hopping done without a table. Maybe he should have called his special "Sidewalk Magic with a big Television Crew."[/quote]
Funny, way too funny....

I don't dislike Blaine (ok, I'm lying; I do dislike Blaine. I don't like what he does at all), it's just not what we are about here and some probably really nice folks have come here in the past with the same notion that Blaine is a street magi. He's not and we don't like talking about him and that's why I'm stopping this now.

koz
Message: Posted by: Bursky (Feb 4, 2004 06:07AM)
Most cities require some kind of permit.
Message: Posted by: Mario Morris (Feb 5, 2004 06:45PM)
Gazzo, Cellini, are the top street buskers.
But as for Blaine, I have been selling the tricks he bought for years. Now thankfully I am asked all day long, "Do you know how he eat the coin? Yeah, sure for $30 pound please, you can do it too. What about the rising card? Yeah, sure. $10."

He has done well to make magic and himself popular. He has made his fortunes through the streets, but not while on the street. The guy is good at what he does, which is self promoting. He has made magic more popular, but as for passing the hat, the noble task of entertaining and making you laugh and then parting with your well earned cash, you have to leave that to the buskers at the shopping mall near you.

Until you taste the open air stage as you step out to entertain, you don't know really what I am talking about.
The difference between Blaine and a busker is the difference between The Spice Girls and Bob Dillon.

The Spice Girls made their millions; Bob Dillon is in the heart and sung by every other busker. The only ones that can make a true judgement on Blaine as a street magi I believe are buskers. Blaine as a performer, then that is up to you.

:wow: