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Topic: Yigal Mesika Electric Touch +
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Mar 12, 2013 04:43PM)
I just saw a teaser ad for Yigal Mesika's second version of the Electric Touch. You can see it here: http://www.yigalmesika.com/

I loved the first version, but the setup was not very convenient. Has anyone heard any info on the second version?
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 12, 2013 04:51PM)
Man if there isn't a trade in or upgrade price it will fall below the waist line with me. Had such high hopes with the first one but it wasnt too convienient for me either.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 12, 2013 05:43PM)
Maybe Yigal can come on here and enlighten us, on what. the plus has to offer? I really love and use my E.T. really makes the moment magical.
Mike
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 12, 2013 05:49PM)
Mike I agree when I got it to work it was a gem, but sneakers or combat boots made it impossible for me, And even though I wear dress shoes I didn't like the "" that I would distract me. I use to even go to the site with advice and how others altered there gimmick but still wasnt working for me. I still have mine in the drawer in perfect condidtion and if this "+" is worth the while then we shall see. But for a gimmick of this sort I really doubt we will get any details because of the nature of the device but fingers crossed right?
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Mar 12, 2013 05:55PM)
I emailed a reputable magic dealer. I learned that this is supposed to be released in the next 30 days.
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 12, 2013 06:23PM)
Paisa I remember one member had a different set up the Pets or something like that I did not want to mess around with taking the unit apart. . It would be nice if the set up would be one that you could switch shoes easily. I put mine in dress shoes. I would think we should get info if this is a newer version. I'm interested for sure.

Mike
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 12, 2013 07:34PM)
I am buying this for sure. The shock is really loud. I am hoping it can light a fire eating torch!!
James
Message: Posted by: SomethingReal (Mar 12, 2013 09:09PM)
Hey guys, I have some VERY exciting news. After a tremendous amount of hard work, the Electric Touch + is finally here! You’re welcome to check the trailer. Hope you guys enjoy it.

http://www.yigalmesika.com/ads/yigal-mesika/electric-touch/

Cheers,
Yigal
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 12, 2013 09:55PM)
That was an impressive trailer. $200 would be out of my price range ( it's just a hobby ) but I'd love to live vicariously through others and hear your experiences when it gets shipped.
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Mar 12, 2013 10:13PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-12 22:09, SomethingReal wrote:
Hey guys, I have some VERY exciting news. After a tremendous amount of hard work, the Electric Touch + is finally here! You’re welcome to check the trailer. Hope you guys enjoy it.

http://www.yigalmesika.com/ads/yigal-mesika/electric-touch/

Cheers,
Yigal
[/quote]


Yigal,

Could you tell us about the improvements to the new version?



Thank you,
Mike
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 12, 2013 10:19PM)
I Cant wait to get in Touch with the new Electric Touch. The Trailer looks very promising.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 12, 2013 10:41PM)
If I put my trust in a stranger and he did that to my forehead or the forehead of anyone in my family I'd immediately punch him in the face. But first I'd say, "here... hold out YOUR face now."


DD
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 12, 2013 11:03PM)
A humble suggestion - [b]DO NOT discharge static electricity through the forehead.[/b]

Also when discharging the static charge through the fingers, avoid touching yours as well as the spectators LEFT hand finger. Use RIGHT hand fingers to discharge the charge.

These are just suggested precautions.

:xmas:
P.S. Almost 3 years ago I made my own powerful & effective Static Charger by removing the electronics from a cheap China made Mosquito Racquet. The electronic circuit board needs no modification whatsoever; the circuit is used - 'AS IS'.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 12, 2013 11:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 00:03, Ustaad wrote:
A humble suggestion - [b]DO NOT discharge static electricity through the forehead.[/b]

[/quote]

Thanks as always dear Ustaad... why is touching the forehead a bad idea? Just curious.

Yigal seems to like it no?
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 12, 2013 11:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 00:45, saysold1 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 00:03, Ustaad wrote:
A humble suggestion - [b]DO NOT discharge static electricity through the forehead.[/b]

[/quote]

Thanks as always dear Ustaad... why is touching the forehead a bad idea? Just curious.

Yigal seems to like it no?
[/quote]


Yes

Thanks Ustaad for sharing :)

Yes, touching the forehead seems quite funny, perhaps a bit dangerous? if someone suffers from heart
disease?

But definetly impressive, espacally the moving tobacco, much more power as it seems then the
first Version.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 13, 2013 12:00AM)
Epilepsy.

Or in my case... no patience for pranksters.


DD
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 13, 2013 12:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 00:45, saysold1 wrote:

... why is touching the forehead a bad idea? Just curious.

Yigal seems to like it no?
[/quote]

The strength of static shock depends on many factors (if need be I can enumerate them - its a long list :)) including the human body's skin resistance at the time of shock (the skin resistance also keeps changing due to many factors).

The skull is a casing for the brain and the face is the most sensitive part of the human body (as I understand). One has no idea how the static shock will react with brain/ nervous system when suddenly the UNAWARE spectator gets a jolt on the forehead and hence my humble warning. Better be safe than sorry.

As seen from the demo video of ‘Electric Touch +’, the Static Charge is quite strong and one can not predict the intensity of the shock which can vary to an extent (i.e. can be higher or lower than the designed parameters).

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 13, 2013 12:14AM)
It all comes down to the hook up and durability... I need to be able to add it and switch it between clothing. I wear Military Boots most of the day and they are Steal Toe.
Message: Posted by: randirain (Mar 13, 2013 12:32AM)
Yeah... I had an Electric Touch and I know exactly how the electronics works.
Your not going to do anything but **** people off shocking them on the forehead.
It's no more of a spark than rubbing your sock feet on some carpet and touching something.
I still don't recommend touching someones forehead though, but you're not going to stop their heart or send them into an epileptic coma.
You'll just make them want to punch you.

The first ET was not practical at all. It was too hard to set up and keep set up.
Out of all the time I had mine, I was able to put it to work (real gig) one time.
The rest, was me messing with it trying to get it to work and just playing with it.

The electronics are nothing new, so don't look for anything like that.
It's not like they are being made with graphene now or something.
I am sure the new version is an improvement on the set up, or no improvement at all. Just brought out again.

Randi
Message: Posted by: markhitton (Mar 13, 2013 01:47AM)
Ustaad gives a right advise:people with neuro disease or epilepsy (don dasher is right)could have some problems.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 13, 2013 02:25AM)
I think it is pretty obvious what this [Electric Touch] does. If you don't like the demo. don't buy it.

Is this thread going to turn into all the grandmas coming out and talking about how if you use this you suck and if you treat someone this way or that way, you will will punch me.

You are not going to punch anybody ok? Get real. You punch someone, you go to jail. Stop talking like you are in the UFC.

Can we just talk about the device itself?
Thank you,
James
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 13, 2013 04:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 03:25, Xiqual wrote:
You are not going to punch anybody ok? Get real. You punch someone, you go to jail.
[/quote]

LOL! Where do you think I'm posting from?


DD
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 13, 2013 05:37AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 05:18, Don Dasher wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 03:25, Xiqual wrote:

You punch someone, you go to jail.
[/quote]

LOL! [b]Where do you think I'm posting from?[/b]
[/quote]

:bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: 8a22a (Mar 13, 2013 06:02AM)
It would be more practical if it was integrated into a sock. :)
Message: Posted by: Justin N. Miller (Mar 13, 2013 06:10AM)
So can someone please, logically, explain to me how this is magic?
If this was something that came out let's say BEFORE electricity was discovered and harnessed, yea I could see a few stake burnings. But we now live in an age of technology that understands what electricity is and how it operates. So how in the world is this magic? And I also agree with the above posts by don (hell just got frost bite) and others about this is just a bad, bad prank.Plus, you have NO IDEA if someone has had a pacemaker or another electronic device surgically placed in their body, this could be a very lethal mistake. It is things like this and the funken ring that makes people see magicians the way they do...ughhh!
JM
Message: Posted by: MichaelKent (Mar 13, 2013 08:25AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 07:10, Justin N. Miller wrote:
So can someone please, logically, explain to me how this is magic?
If this was something that came out let's say BEFORE electricity was discovered and harnessed, yea I could see a few stake burnings. But we now live in an age of technology that understands what electricity is and how it operates. So how in the world is this magic? And I also agree with the above posts by don (hell just got frost bite) and others about this is just a bad, bad prank.Plus, you have NO IDEA if someone has had a pacemaker or another electronic device surgically placed in their body, this could be a very lethal mistake. It is things like this and the funken ring that makes people see magicians the way they do...ughhh!
JM
[/quote]

Hey Justin - whats up. I used to use Electric Touch quite often. And like Randi Rain above, I found the set up impractical and just kind of a pain in the butt for what I used it for. But to address "How it's magic." I would refer you to the plethora of smoke effects on the market. Making smoke appear isn't magic either. Smoke's been around since long before electricity. And making smoke appear by itself isn't that magical. Neither is electric touch. I use it to punctuate magic moments. In Yigal's demo, he touches a dude on the forehead under the idea that he is implanting a card into the guy's thoughts. I used it with things like sponge balls. I hold one, you hold one. We touch thumbs. "Did you feel that?" It gives the magic a moment. Another problem with things like this are that they tend to leave the audience saying "okay that was amazing - I don't know how that ball got into my hand but HOW DID HE SHOCK ME?" I'm experiencing the same thing with using smoke. I'm using smoke to punctuate a card change. The card change is good, but it's being completely overshadowed by the use of smoke.

I emailed Yigal about this and haven't heard back, but if you're going to advertise a "New and Improved" version of a device, isn't it important to tell us why it's better? I already spent a bunch of money on this device the first time (and went through the pre-order promises and delays and hassles). Why would I want to spend the $200 again? Can Yigal or someone tell us what makes this better than the original version.

This post makes me sound angry. Promise I'm not. Haven't had my morning coffee.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 13, 2013 08:36AM)
I too having the original ET and would like to no what's different regarding equipment and set up ,my originals still working fine so to upgrade I'd like to no exactly what I'd be purchasing !
I know it's a different effect but wasn't it Pure smoke where a video was released showing you what you would be receiving and the set up involved?
Something like that for ET+ would be nice :)
Message: Posted by: Justin N. Miller (Mar 13, 2013 08:42AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 09:25, MichaelKent wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 07:10, Justin N. Miller wrote:
So can someone please, logically, explain to me how this is magic?
If this was something that came out let's say BEFORE electricity was discovered and harnessed, yea I could see a few stake burnings. But we now live in an age of technology that understands what electricity is and how it operates. So how in the world is this magic? And I also agree with the above posts by don (hell just got frost bite) and others about this is just a bad, bad prank.Plus, you have NO IDEA if someone has had a pacemaker or another electronic device surgically placed in their body, this could be a very lethal mistake. It is things like this and the funken ring that makes people see magicians the way they do...ughhh!
JM
[/quote]

Hey Justin - whats up. I used to use Electric Touch quite often. And like Randi Rain above, I found the set up impractical and just kind of a pain in the butt for what I used it for. But to address "How it's magic." I would refer you to the plethora of smoke effects on the market. Making smoke appear isn't magic either. Smoke's been around since long before electricity. And making smoke appear by itself isn't that magical. Neither is electric touch. I use it to punctuate magic moments. In Yigal's demo, he touches a dude on the forehead under the idea that he is implanting a card into the guy's thoughts. I used it with things like sponge balls. I hold one, you hold one. We touch thumbs. "Did you feel that?" It gives the magic a moment. Another problem with things like this are that they tend to leave the audience saying "okay that was amazing - I don't know how that ball got into my hand but HOW DID HE SHOCK ME?" I'm experiencing the same thing with using smoke. I'm using smoke to punctuate a card change. The card change is good, but it's being completely overshadowed by the use of smoke.

I emailed Yigal about this and haven't heard back, but if you're going to advertise a "New and Improved" version of a device, isn't it important to tell us why it's better? I already spent a bunch of money on this device the first time (and went through the pre-order promises and delays and hassles). Why would I want to spend the $200 again? Can Yigal or someone tell us what makes this better than the original version.

This post makes me sound angry. Promise I'm not. Haven't had my morning coffee.
[/quote]

Kent!! what's up brother? Seems like forever we hung in willman's room. GREAT times bro!
Ok, I can see how you see that, but the bigger thing here is that I know of no known smoke device on the market today (excluding ultra smoke 2k and I was the poster boy for that, and when I found out what it could do I immediately stepped away from it) that could potentially hurt you if you just used it in the right way. I think that point is the real issue here. And I do not see electric as magic, I can rub my feet together and get the same effect. Smoke however, coming from no where is way more magical as a person should not just be able to produce smoke at any given notice, unless they are on fire or they have a device (couch) that is producing that smoke visibly.

JM
Message: Posted by: Alan Rorrison (Mar 13, 2013 09:40AM)
The original et left me with some pretty bad burns on the body art you hook it up to... 2 years later I still have the scars!
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Mar 13, 2013 09:43AM)
[quote]...I do not see electric as magic, I can rub my feet together and get the same effect. Smoke however, coming from no where is way more magical as a person should not just be able to produce smoke at any given notice, unless they are on fire or they have a device (couch) that is producing that smoke visibly.

JM
[/quote]
For me the whole key with the ET has always been in not being literal about the effect of the shock, but rather in being vague and suggestive about it. I don't say I'm going to shock them. Also, I don't just do it and let them define what it was either. I set up the moment kind of like Luke Jermay's Burst Bubble Suggestion, but using the ET to punctuate the moment before I continue to the moment I reveal the thought. Shocking them without first framing it, and then just standing there and giving them all the time they want to talk about it is not the best way to use this in my opinion. Set up what you want them to experience and then further define that experience before concluding the performance--so you're kind of bookending the whole thing. Even if they still say it felt like a shock, it's easy to bring it back by talking about how our brains are run by electricity and so thoughts really just ride on electric currents, etc.
Message: Posted by: Archey (Mar 13, 2013 10:45AM)
I'd also be interested to hear about any improvements, like a lot of others here I had the original but wasn't overly happy with the hook up. I know the PETS setup but although it had some advantages over the original hook up it was still a pain in the 'arris!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 13, 2013 11:41AM)
The one thing that WILL shock me is if this actually ships on the announced release date of April 12th. The Spider Pen Pro was a delayed, pre-order nightmare for people.

I think if David Blaine did this on a special, it would be a big deal and Magicians everywhere would want one.


Since we all know what it is, Yigal should come and explain what's different then the first release.
Message: Posted by: randirain (Mar 13, 2013 12:22PM)
They were delayed the first time around by Homeland Security trying to figure out what these devices were he was bringing into the country.

Randi
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Mar 13, 2013 12:46PM)
Trust me the first Electric Touch thread on here went over 50 pages with little information to be brought. I am eager, I stil have the original HOPEFULLY he would provide and upgrade price if not I would have to have hands ON with this one before I decide.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 13, 2013 01:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 01:32, randirain wrote:
Yeah... I had an Electric Touch and I know exactly how the electronics works.
Your not going to do anything but **** people off shocking them on the forehead.
It's no more of a spark than rubbing your sock feet on some carpet and touching something.
I still don't recommend touching someones forehead though, but you're not going to stop their heart or send them into an epileptic coma.
You'll just make them want to punch you.

The first ET was not practical at all. It was too hard to set up and keep set up.
Out of all the time I had mine, I was able to put it to work (real gig) one time.
The rest, was me messing with it trying to get it to work and just playing with it.

The electronics are nothing new, so don't look for anything like that.
It's not like they are being made with graphene now or something.
I am sure the new version is an improvement on the set up, or no improvement at all. Just brought out again.

Randi
[/quote]

I think you are on the mark with what you wrote.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 13, 2013 02:40PM)
I do have a couple thoughts about the gimmick itself.

This was released a long time ago. I wonder if it would damage a new iphone?

I also wonder if someone might think you tried to hit them with a dollar store stun gun or something and call the cops. Then you would end up in jail, just like if you punched someone in the face.

Serious question: Is it legal to shock people?

I mean, are there possibly new laws on the books? I'm sure using a stun gun on someone without their consent is illegal. Would that apply to any device used to give someone a shock? It shouldn't matter if you made your stun gun in your basement and it's weak as hell, right? I know it's a small shock but you're arming yourself with the device, approaching strangers and then administering the shock suddenly and on purpose. In every case it causes discomfort. I'm pretty certain that's simple battery in any state.

I suppose Google would be a better place to ask that question. But those are my thoughts about this device. How is a device constructed for the sole purpose of shocking someone and making them scream differ legally from any other homemade weapon? This isn't a shocking pen or lighter. Those shock everyone who picks them up. They shock themselves with it. This is very different. You arm yourself, approach someone and shock them. With your hand. And who is to say that you only hurt them a little bit? Pain is subjective. Ask any personal injury attorney.

I know the argument here would be that it's obviously a prop used for magical purposes but here's a similar situation that comes to mind which makes me think that's a poor defense. There was a clown at a Thanksgiving day parade a few years back who was busted for tickling children inappropriately with a feather duster wand.

Even though the feather duster was a prop and he was dressed as a clown, it's still tickle your @ss with a feather to the courts.

DD
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 13, 2013 03:11PM)
Well I personally HATE the feeling of receiving a shock - and would probably be loath to shock others in trying to show my magical "powers."

So I am with Ms. RR and others who wonder whether this is really that groovy a device?

I suspect Yigal - having posted and spinned initially the way he wanted to - probably won't be joining this discussion again for awhile.

But Ustaad did turn me on to a cool tennis racket/swatter that I had never heard of - and might be fun for electrocuting mosquitos in the Summer!

I'm stoked! The reviews look pretty good for using to make bugs explode lol.

No criticism to James either if he's had success with these devices btw - but again I HATE to get shocked and if someone did this to me it might take me from a happy mood to an UFC mood pretty quicko.
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Mar 13, 2013 03:58PM)
Perhaps a disclaimer would be appropriate... ask the person you are performing for if they would take offense to being shocked. And let them touch you if they want to, you never initate the touch.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 13, 2013 05:58PM)
The wearer also gets the same shock. You are "sharing' a small static discharge. Same as if you touch your car in the winter or a plastic slide in the park. I think it dpends on the presentation. You can also move paper and water. BUT, don't use the toilet while it is on!
James
Message: Posted by: 1908 (Mar 13, 2013 06:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 05:18, Don Dasher wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 03:25, Xiqual wrote:
You are not going to punch anybody ok? Get real. You punch someone, you go to jail.
[/quote]

LOL! Where do you think I'm posting from?



LOL! Try not to use it then when in the showers! Xiqual you said I can not use it while in toilet, what happens if I use it while I am trying to have a baby??? :)
Yigal must tell us about the differences or at least basic info of the upgraded product.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 13, 2013 07:05PM)
It will not be pretty
[img]http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3084/3139488405_bd5a4452b4.jpg [/img]

James

[quote]
On 2013-03-13 19:15, 1908 wrote:

LOL! Try not to use it then when in the showers! Xiqual you said I can not use it while in toilet, what happens if I use it while I am trying to have a baby??? :)

[/quote]
Message: Posted by: 1908 (Mar 13, 2013 07:10PM)
Xiqual, very nice!!! Some people here are so miserable, no humour at all! ;)
Message: Posted by: Oscar Zaldivar (Mar 13, 2013 07:13PM)
I have one, an I can say this is an enhancer for my magic, this makes the moment get better, I also want to see what is new on this
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Mar 13, 2013 07:53PM)
I really luv the concept of this from when it was first released, but it has sat in a storage box somewhere. Not practical to wear for long periods of time. The fact that this models shock level can be adjusted is a plus.
However, I would certainly need to know more about it size and set up before spending the money again. Are there other improvements? has it changed significantly over the first released version? Basically, what has changed?
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 13, 2013 07:58PM)
It may be more practical if Mr Mesika just integrated it directly into my junk drawer with his other products.


DD

[quote]
On 2013-03-13 07:02, 8a22a wrote:
It would be more practical if it was integrated into a sock. :)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: randirain (Mar 13, 2013 08:02PM)
I will say this again...

It's an electrostatic shock. The kind of shocks that happen a billion times a day.
The shock you get from getting out of your car and touching metal.
The same shock you did as a kid with carpet and socked feet.
The same electricity that's firing all throughout your body right now.
The same shock that you get every single day, all day long, when you live in a place like Denver.

If electrostatic could send people into epileptic fits, or destroy iphones, then there would be people flopping on the ground all over the world with broken phones.

All right, that's all I am going to say.
Now you can go back to your arguing and you can tell me how wrong I am.
But note this... and you don't have to reply, I won't see it, I am done with this thread.
Just ask yourself this question....
What is the definition of electricity? Define electricity.
You know, that stuff that you use every single second of your life, and is life... define it.. to yourself.
If you can't... go look it up and educate yourself instead of falling for the trap that is the magic Café.

I know I can define electricity down to exactly what it is and how it works.

Randi
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 13, 2013 08:25PM)
I'm not sure how much interest there will be for this, since it had an earlier version. Magicians seem to like wallets, bending coins, floating stuff and smoke. I've never heard one say "if only I could shock someone".
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 13, 2013 08:42PM)
Randy Rain is totally Right. Electro Static Energy is around us every single Day. It doesen't harm
anybody imo.

Besides that: If I don't feel comfortable to shock other People, I can move tobacco or small Paper
Pieces or light a Light Bulb with my Hands, looks really weird and very magical imo.

We will see soon, what the Improvements are, and I'm pretty sure that many of us will
review here very soon.

BTW: We have many Cows in Switzerland, and to prevent them to Fly away, they are surrounded from a electric metal
Wire, that hurts a lot more then the small Shock with Electric Touch.

And the same Effect with the Electric Tennis Rackets, that Ustaad posted for us. Millions of People use them every Day without any Risk for their Health.

Just my 5 Swissfrancs
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 13, 2013 08:50PM)
Randirain........ at last someone on here with an ounce of common sense!!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 13, 2013 08:51PM)
Tha Ad says - "[b]All of our products come with a 3-month satisfaction guarantee. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied, you are eligible for a full refund.[/b]"

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 13, 2013 09:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 21:42, rasmus wrote:
I can move tobacco or small Paper Pieces or light a Light Bulb with my Hands, looks really weird and very magical imo.
[/quote]

That would make me want to get this. I'm not into the shocking part, but "moving" items seems something that a very mystical person could do.

Rasmus, if you end up getting this, it would be GREAT if you could review and maybe show you doing a PK like effect in one of your venues. That would be a treat for everyone and show them how this works/plays in the REAL world!
Message: Posted by: bowers (Mar 13, 2013 09:08PM)
I had the original one.And to be honest it just
wasn't that magical to me.Moving bits of paper
to a spectator just looked like you had a static
charge from my rubbing your feet on carpet.and the bending
of a small stream of water from a faucet.how many times do
you have a spectator close to a faucet?Just my honest opinion.
The price was too steep for this.Maybe something new has been added.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 13, 2013 09:34PM)
I'm going to keep an open mind about it because I'm thinking of some routines that would be enhanced by this.

Sorry to say, I'm going to have to wait for others to get it and read some reviews. I know $200 is important money, so thank you in advance for anyone that moves forward.
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 13, 2013 09:43PM)
There's a difference between the shock of carpet + socked feet and the shock of a taser, even though both are electroshocks. Some are harmless, some can be deadly; I think the point is, you never know how it will affect someone even if used as directed.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 13, 2013 10:24PM)
A taser has a huge capacitor that amps up the voltage. It also uses a different type of application that sends the shock in bursts to mimic the nervous system. ET uses static electricity.Your comparison is kind of like saying "a matchbox car and a real car are both cars, if they run you over they will damage you."


James

[quote]
On 2013-03-13 22:43, bekralik wrote:
There's a difference between the shock of carpet + socked feet and the shock of a taser, even though both are electroshocks. Some are harmless, some can be deadly; I think the point is, you never know how it will affect someone even if used as directed.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: bekralik (Mar 13, 2013 11:25PM)
Not really, James. The comparison you gave was ludicrous, so no, I wouldn't ever have said that.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 13, 2013 11:32PM)
Comparing ET to a taser was also ludicrous. They work on totally different systems and deliver completely different types of electricity.

James


[quote]
On 2013-03-14 00:25, bekralik wrote:
Not really, James. The comparison you gave was ludicrous, so no, I wouldn't ever have said that.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 13, 2013 11:32PM)
It's silly to think that a strong static shock couldn't hurt an iphone. I knew I should have asked Google instead.

http://www.ehmac.ca/all-ios-iphone-ipad-ipod-touch-apple-tv-itunes/102484-did-i-fry-my-ipod-touch-static-electricity.html


DD
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 12:05AM)
I don't think you touching them and causing the shock is good. Having them touching your forehead would be a better way to go.

Have them peek a card, put the deck away. They touch their forehead, concentrating on the card. Then they touch your forehead and bzzzzzzzzz....and you name the card.

OK, I'm very interested in this now ( I may not have chops, but I'm VERY good at developing routines ).

Only one small glitch..I'm BROKE! lol.

It doesn't come out for a month, so I have plenty of time to collect bottles!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 01:06AM)
Penguin has it on pre-order ( $199.95 ), but you get a free copy of Yigal's Animated Miracles ( I have it, it's an excellent booklet ).

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3399

[img]http://images.penguinmagic.com/images/magitars/yigal_mesika.png[/img]

The ad says "Adjustable electrostatic output". That would be very helpful for using it on the audience ( there are NO spectators;-). Moving salt, tobacco, etc. can use a higher charge. For the audience if they can just get a light charge, that would be better than a higher level shock.

What about if they held a spoon or fork between their palms, they get the charge and then open their hands and it's bent? That would be freaky for them.

Anyone that has the first version, can you do it through their clothes, like touching their shoulder?

If anyone picks this up, I'd be very interested in the adjustable output part of it.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 14, 2013 02:42AM)
You Sir, are a genius! Elegant and fantastic. That one small tip changes it up.
I will be buying this and using your idea, if I may?
Thank you,
James

[quote]
On 2013-03-14 01:05, Zombie Magic wrote:
I don't think you touching them and causing the shock is good. Having them touching your forehead would be a better way to go.




[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 02:56AM)
Lol Xiqual. I'm the product of a public school education!

Actually, on the trailer Yigal did have them touch his forehead. I was thinking they should touch theirs first and then yours ( sort of an aid for thought transference ).

The Zombie Genius;-)

[quote]
On 2013-03-14 03:42, Xiqual wrote:
You Sir, are a genius! Elegant and fantastic. That one small tip changes it up.
I will be buying this and using your idea, if I may?
Thank you,
James

[quote]
On 2013-03-14 01:05, Zombie Magic wrote:
I don't think you touching them and causing the shock is good. Having them touching your forehead would be a better way to go.




[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 14, 2013 03:10AM)
The only shock I'll be getting is if anyone actually buys this.
Message: Posted by: doktorp (Mar 14, 2013 03:17AM)
To me, there is only one interesting point/question. What are the improvements to the first version? Set-up? B*****y life?
It would be nice, if Yigal could answer these questions…

Patrick
Message: Posted by: Mop (Mar 14, 2013 06:12AM)
With $200 I can easily buy 3-4 good and visual effects, so I NEED to know that the setup of the + version is more practical than the first one. Will I need to gimmick a pair of shoes and I am always stuck with that pair? If yes, then this will be very impractical for me.

Thanks for any infor anyone in the know my provide.
Message: Posted by: rodrigomc2000 (Mar 14, 2013 07:10AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 07:12, Mop wrote:
With $200 I can easily buy 3-4 good and visual effects, so I NEED to know that the setup of the + version is more practical than the first one. Will I need to gimmick a pair of shoes and I am always stuck with that pair? If yes, then this will be very impractical for me.

Thanks for any infor anyone in the know my provide.
[/quote]

I agree, and just don't understand why Yigal Mesika not answer all these questions... nobody can tell us about the setup and the differences between the first version and the + version.
Message: Posted by: learachel (Mar 14, 2013 07:26AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 08:10, rodrigomc2000 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 07:12, Mop wrote:
With $200 I can easily buy 3-4 good and visual effects, so I NEED to know that the setup of the + version is more practical than the first one. Will I need to gimmick a pair of shoes and I am always stuck with that pair? If yes, then this will be very impractical for me.

Thanks for any infor anyone in the know my provide.
[/quote]



I agree, and just don't understand why Yigal Mesika not answer all these questions... nobody can tell us about the setup and the differences between the first version and the + version.
[/quote]

++++ 1 NO ANSWER, just a pre order! money money money!
Message: Posted by: Federico Soldati (Mar 14, 2013 07:53AM)
I too would like to learn about the improvements compared to the first version? Set-up? B*****y life? I bought it and I used it but then then I stopped using it because of the setup.
Yigal it would be very kind and professional if you could chime into this post and give an answer to your supporters. What are you waiting for?

Freddy
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 14, 2013 08:21AM)
I agree, and just don't understand why Yigal Mesika not answer all these questions... nobody can tell us about the setup and the differences between the first version and the + version.
[/quote]

++++ 1 NO ANSWER, just a pre order! money money money!
[/quote]

Absolutely correct. You've hit the nail on the head. I'm just chuffed that most of us are wise to the pre ordering scam that goes on here, far too often.
Message: Posted by: Mercury52 (Mar 14, 2013 08:53AM)
I just wanted to post something that I find interesting... I have received no fewer than 3 automated emails from Yigal's company advertising this product. The email addresses that received the emails are used for customer service purposes only, never for making purchases, so I am 110% positive that they have never willingly been signed up for Yigal's email newsletter or been used to make purchases from his site.

Basically, he is finding magic-related email addresses and adding them to his newsletter without permission. At best, this is rude and immoral, and it may be illegal.

Just one reason why I will not be supporting this product.

Kevin
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Mar 14, 2013 10:30AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 02:06, Zombie Magic wrote:
Penguin has it on pre-order ( $199.95 ), but you get a free copy of Yigal's Animated Miracles ( I have it, it's an excellent booklet ).

http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3399

[img]http://images.penguinmagic.com/images/magitars/yigal_mesika.png[/img]

The ad says "Adjustable electrostatic output". That would be very helpful for using it on the audience ( there are NO spectators;-). Moving salt, tobacco, etc. can use a higher charge. For the audience if they can just get a light charge, that would be better than a higher level shock.

What about if they held a spoon or fork between their palms, they get the charge and then open their hands and it's bent? That would be freaky for them.

Anyone that has the first version, can you do it through their clothes, like touching their shoulder?

If anyone picks this up, I'd be very interested in the adjustable output part of it.
[/quote]

For $200 I can think of better ways to "Entertain" people than an overpriced effect that will last all of 10 seconds

what a sorry state the Magic world is in ,

All from someone with no customer service and once the law suits come flying will not want to know
Message: Posted by: pegasus (Mar 14, 2013 10:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 09:53, Mercury52 wrote:
I just wanted to post something that I find interesting... I have received no fewer than 3 automated emails from Yigal's company advertising this product. The email addresses that received the emails are used for customer service purposes only, never for making purchases, so I am 110% positive that they have never willingly been signed up for Yigal's email newsletter or been used to make purchases from his site.

Basically, he is finding magic-related email addresses and adding them to his newsletter without permission. At best, this is rude and immoral, and it may be illegal.

Just one reason why I will not be supporting this product.

Kevin
[/quote]
Funny you should mention that Kevin as I received the same marketing Spam email from him and I've never registered before.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 10:58AM)
I was registered and received Spider Pen Pro announcements, but nothing on this. I've never ordered from him direct, so would I get dropped as a dead lead?
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 14, 2013 11:32AM)
I also have the original, still in its box and used once!!

Today I received an email from 'Merchant Of Magic' saying they are getting the first batch of 300 units, and will have them in stock at the end of this month.

Curiosity took a hold and I decided to phone them for the details regarding the differences between the original and this latest 'plus' version.

All they could say was that the static charge was adjustable (which we all already know from the ad), and that they 'think' better quality materials have been used.

I did ask about the set up, and if it was more practical than the original, and was told that they are 95% sure that it is the same set up but again using slightly different materials.

If that turns out to be correct then I see no point in purchasing.

I am more than happy not to get drawn into all the hype of this thing again......... and my money will be staying firmly in my pocket.

Sorry Yigal, but once bitten twice shy!!
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Mar 14, 2013 12:03PM)
The first version of electric touch was technically "adjustable", too. It had a selectable high or low power switch.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 14, 2013 12:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 12:32, rasp wrote:

All they could say was that the static charge was adjustable (which we all already know from the ad), [b]and that they 'think' better quality materials have been used[/b].
[/quote]

With better quality material you also need a better and efficient circuit design.

In the first version the crux of the problem was the unreliable circuit design and functioning of the device. It lacked reliability. Also the power needed to run the contraption required 4 X A23 (12 Volt) batteries. I hope that the + version is technically better designed, efficient and uses a cheaper power source.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: hackmonkey (Mar 14, 2013 12:29PM)
I owned, liked and used the original electric touch. I never had any problems with it, which might have been due to living in a hot dry climate. I used it till the copper bit broke. If this actually better/well made, then I might purchase it again. Rather than making my own.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 01:28PM)
It's doubtful Café members will give it a go. Maybe the Wizard Product Review will take it on.
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Mar 14, 2013 01:41PM)
Naw some like this stuff - we'll get some reviews no doubt.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 14, 2013 01:47PM)
Saysold just nailed it:

if there is only the difference of voltage change, it wouldn't be an improvement. the
real issues were the setup, the battery life and the reliability of the unit.

so then we have to wait for a review.

thanks again ustaad for the tips:)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 02:52PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 14:41, saysold1 wrote:
Naw some like this stuff - we'll get some reviews no doubt.
[/quote]

On the Penguin site it's listed as the #1 bestseller and it's on pre-order. So in a month we should have some reviews come in. At $199, I don't think it's all causal hobby magicians are buying it.
Message: Posted by: dp (Mar 14, 2013 03:07PM)
Looking forward to reviewing this as soon as it comes in.

Dave
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 14, 2013 03:11PM)
Good idea dave :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 03:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 16:07, dp wrote:
Looking forward to reviewing this as soon as it comes in.

Dave
[/quote]

THANK YOU!

I have no idea what you lads will think. We might get high praise or "it's alright, I wouldn't use it" or..the classic David Penn dead pan look at the camera after you say "you shock people"....
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 14, 2013 03:23PM)
The original version worked fine for me and like people have said you can adjust the setting from high to low .The only downside at first was having to customise your shoe .Due to how if works I'm pretty sure your have to do it again for this version .
So are we gonna hear from Yigal regarding the differences between the two ???????
NOTHING on the advert has convinced me into upgrading to the new version!!
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 14, 2013 06:25PM)
I still use my E.T. and it does the job for me. I get the spec to think of a card and ask if they are ok if I steal the card from their mind? That they will feel it leave you will feel it. I use my finger to their finger. It's very powerful. Like others on here I would like to know if an upgrade is worth it? Yigal what are the advantages on getting the plus? I basically use my E.T. To steal thoughts so would love to know if the plus is going to give me more?
Thanks Mike
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 06:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 19:25, magicmike30 wrote:
I still use my E.T. and it does the job for me. I get the spec to think of a card and ask if they are ok if I steal the card from their mind? That they will feel it leave you will feel it. I use my finger to their finger. It's very powerful. Like others on here I would like to know if an upgrade is worth it? Yigal what are the advantages on getting the plus? I basically use my E.T. To steal thoughts so would love to know if the plus is going to give me more?
Thanks Mike
[/quote]

magicmike30, I like the way you use this. You've had no issues with the original version?
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 14, 2013 06:33PM)
Mike, the ad describes the new features:


Electric Touch +
"This one works! Really, we promise!"


DD
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 06:42PM)
Don Dasher, that was funny!
Message: Posted by: johndamen (Mar 14, 2013 07:06PM)
To this day, ET was the single most disappointing purchase of my magic life. The mag sw***h broke 3 wks in, and its been in a box somewhere ever since. 'Improved' wont cut it for me. Completely re-worked?...maybe. Outside of that, 4 words....Fearsons Free Energy System :)
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Mar 14, 2013 07:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 19:15, 1908 wrote:

... what happens if I use it while I am trying to [b]have[/b] a baby??? :)
[/quote]

While you’re trying to [b]have[/b] a baby? Wow... now THAT would indeed be a trick, especially considering the fact that you’re a male!

[quote]
On 2013-03-13 21:25, Zombie Magic wrote:
I'm not sure how much interest there will be for this, since it had an earlier version. Magicians seem to like wallets, bending coins, floating stuff and smoke.[b] I've never heard one say "if only I could shock someone".[/b]
[/quote]

Amen to that. I can’t speak for everyone, but I personally HATE getting a static shock and I certainly can’t fathom the idea of doing so to another. As for the idea of raising/dancing loose tobacco, etc. it would seem quite obvious, to the spectator, that it’s nothing more than static electricity, albeit they may be a tad puzzled about the methodology that you are using. Bottom line... meh.


I have no idea what the original was, nor would I have been interested in it. But, I’m hearing numerous posts/concerns about the hook up. I had Ultracinese which I found to be a great effect, but not worth the effort what with all the wires, etc. If this is by chance in any way shape or form the same type of irritating hook up to simply elicit a static shock... forget it.


[quote]
On 2013-03-14 16:07, dp wrote:
Looking forward to reviewing this as soon as it comes in.

Dave
[/quote]

Looking forward to it Dave, as long as you pull it off on Craig and NOT Blammo! If you do that I’ll come after you with a cattle prod and show you what a REAL shock is! ;)

Just my 25,000 volt input (the possible output of a static charge minus the amperes :eek: )
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 14, 2013 07:34PM)
Even if I get this down the road, I'd still use Fearson's Free Energy. It goes in your pocket and you can create some incredible moments with it. No shock, just energy they feel.
Message: Posted by: johndamen (Mar 14, 2013 07:48PM)
Amen Zombie.
Message: Posted by: Bernardo Rodriguez (Mar 14, 2013 11:32PM)
Now I think for sending energy thoughts "Fearson's Energy System" will dominate, but if that shock is that loud meaning no modifications made to the audio in the video that's pretty interesting to me. The main thing anybody really wants to know is if we can switch this gimmick into a new head to toe outfit in as long as it would take to change into it. If not then the same set-up wont get many great reviews. Some light and a sound wont make it practical in terms of the set-up. It's fun to make jokes, but I want to know the answer already. If the set-up is the EXACT same and you need to do all the stuff you needed to for the original, then I'm sorry to say, but this thread has gone on long enough. I'd rather produce fake smoke and send a vibrating chill up someones arm than ruin stuff for a set-up and potentially hurt someone. I don't even like getting shocked myself so why would I want to do a trick where we both get shocked? haha
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 15, 2013 12:39AM)
It's built into a deck of cards so all you have to do is slip the deck under your belt against your skin and you're set up.

It's also modular. The gimmick itself can slide out and fit into optional holders, like a Red Bull can that sits right out in the open on a table. While you're holding it in contact with something grounded you're on. So there's no need for any device hidden on your person.

Those kind of improvement are innovative and will make this a particularly exciting re-release.

If that's what it is. I can't know of course, just speculating.


DD
Message: Posted by: magicmike30 (Mar 15, 2013 12:39AM)
[quote]

magicmike30, I like the way you use this. You've had no issues with the original version?
[/quote]
I had no issues at all with my E.T. It has been a work horse for me. The spectator feels the second I see the thought.
Cards are great and I will also use this with a book test or my thought transmitter;)
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Mar 15, 2013 06:42AM)
I Could never get mine to work brought four pairs of shoes love the idear for metal bending would love to hear the inprovments and if there is a new setup then I might consider buying again.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Mar 15, 2013 08:28AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 01:39, Don Dasher wrote:
It's built into a deck of cards so all you have to do is slip the deck under your belt against your skin and you're set up.

It's also modular. The gimmick itself can slide out and fit into optional holders, like a Red Bull can that sits right out in the open on a table. While you're holding it in contact with something grounded you're on. So there's no need for any device hidden on your person.

Those kind of improvement are innovative and will make this a particularly exciting re-release.

If that's what it is. I can't know of course, just speculating.


DD
[/quote]

If it is anything like what that, meaning a smallish unit that can be slipt in and out of the outfit with easy, I'll be over this like a fat kid on chocolate cake!
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 15, 2013 08:34AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 09:28, elimagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 01:39, Don Dasher wrote:
It's built into a deck of cards so all you have to do is slip the deck under your belt against your skin and you're set up.

It's also modular. The gimmick itself can slide out and fit into optional holders, like a Red Bull can that sits right out in the open on a table. While you're holding it in contact with something grounded you're on. So there's no need for any device hidden on your person.

Those kind of improvement are innovative and will make this a particularly exciting re-release.

If that's what it is. I can't know of course, just speculating.


DD
[/quote]

If it is anything like what that, meaning a smallish unit that can be slipt in and out of the outfit with easy, I'll be over this like a fat kid on chocolate cake!
[/quote]


With the original ET for it to work the unit had to be earthed that's why you had to customise your shoe .
I cant see this version being any different .
Message: Posted by: Matt Adams (Mar 15, 2013 09:50AM)
Oddly enough, customer service "can't" (ie WON'T) answer questions about this since it's a "pre-release." Honestly, that sounds like there weren't significant upgrades and they want to sell as many preorders as possible.

I love Yigal and his stuff. He's a great guy and always very nice. We'll see how this goes...

Here's what I got out of customer service:

- Completely silent (old one wasn't)
- Much more durable
- Easier to operate and more reliable
- 20% more powerful (and still adjustable)

I specifically asked about the portability to other pairs of shoes. He wouldn't comment other than to say, "Yes, it is more easily ported"

So...not much new info here (if any?), but that's all I could get.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 15, 2013 10:06AM)
The original ET made hardly any noise unless your ear was ankle level I can't see it ever being heard I've never had anyone comment in noise .
I still use my ET and haven't had any problems with it ,the power I found varied regardingwhat you were standing on but to be honest was powerful enough.
To operate its as easy as tapping your foot .
And portability if it means I won't have to cut into the sole of every different shoe I wear them great count me in but until I no this for certain I won't be ordering .
I don't understand why simple questions regarding the new version are going unanswered ?????
Message: Posted by: Knobz1 (Mar 15, 2013 10:21AM)
Well, if they don't want to answer any questions reguarding their product then they probably aren't gonna sell that many pre-orders. So I guess we will just sit and wait until pre-orders are done and customer service can then give more info or wait for reviews from the people that bought them :/
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 15, 2013 02:16PM)
If this is half as good as the Spider Pen or the Tarantula....

Anyone who buys this is a grade A idiot.

No offense, but seriously. I don't think enough time has elapsed since his last scam. He must be desperate for cash.


DD
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 15, 2013 02:20PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 15:16, Don Dasher wrote:

Anyone who buys this is a grade a idiot.
[/quote]

Good thing I'm broke, otherwise your opinion about me would be confirmed.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 15, 2013 02:25PM)
LOL. At least I said Grade A.

It's always good to be good at something.

If I had more than enough money I may buy it just to look at it. That's how he sells his toys. They're designed to look good on your desk or bookshelf from what I can gather.


DD



[quote]
On 2013-03-15 15:20, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 15:16, Don Dasher wrote:

Anyone who buys this is a grade a idiot.
[/quote]

Good thing I'm broke, otherwise your opinion about me would be confirmed.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Mar 15, 2013 02:35PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 10:50, Matt Adams wrote:
Oddly enough, customer service "can't" (ie WON'T) answer questions about this since it's a "pre-release." Honestly, that sounds like there weren't significant upgrades and they want to sell as many preorders as possible.

[/quote]

Does not that speak volumes to you !!!

Looks like you need an electric shock to wake up to the fact

This guy offers No Customer Service at all !!

Having been burnt by him once , Never Again

Why everyone is getting all heated up about this overpriced
Item that offers little for the Audiance is a puzzle to me
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 15, 2013 02:42PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

Take heed.


[quote]
On 2013-03-15 15:35, JackMagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-15 10:50, Matt Adams wrote:
Oddly enough, customer service "can't" (ie WON'T) answer questions about this since it's a "pre-release." Honestly, that sounds like there weren't significant upgrades and they want to sell as many preorders as possible.

[/quote]

Does not that speak volumes to you !!!

Looks like you need an electric shock to wake up to the fact

This guy offers No Customer Service at all !!

Having been burnt by him once , Never Again

Why everyone is getting all heated up about this overpriced
Item that offers little for the Audiance is a puzzle to me
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 15, 2013 02:48PM)
Don. I haven't seen that in sometime and it's as funny as it is frightening. That clip may have inspired Will Ferrell's impersonation of him.
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Mar 15, 2013 02:48PM)
Yigal seems to be quite hit or miss. I absolutely love my Spider Pen Pro, but the original and Tarantula were naught to write home about. That seems to be just one example.
Message: Posted by: Matt Adams (Mar 15, 2013 04:14PM)
I'm actually quite shocked to be reading all these negative reviews about Yigal and his releases. I've loved everything I've ever bought from him! He's been a stand up guy and customer service was good. He personally called me to help with an issue a couple years back too. Pretty cool.

Maybe I'm missing something, but all the other threads I've seen on the Café seem to indicate he's got great customer service.

CLEARLY I don't understand the aversion to answering simple questions about a product - but I haven't seen a bad track record by any means. On the contrary, he's gone the extra mile to make things right for people and has a LOT of testimonials to back that up. I'm not saying this new release will be awesome, but I don't think it will be garbage. If you are looking for something that will work miracles, stop looking for magic effects. lol. They are always knacky. Once you get used to that, use your own creativity and make it work for you. I loved Tarantula. Used it for a while in walk-around gigs (though I don't do many anymore). He made IT work a WHOLE lot more practical for most of us. Lots of good things coming from Yigal. Just wanted to speak to the "positive" for a while. :)
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Mar 15, 2013 04:45PM)
Some people have got more money that sense !!!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Mar 15, 2013 06:29PM)
Absolutely Matt,
I have almost every product Yigal Mesika has ever made. Anytime I email him, I get a response within 24 hours.
I think some people here have an agenda.

I will be buying this so I will give it a review.
James

[quote]
On 2013-03-15 17:14, Matt Adams wrote:
I'm actually quite shocked to be reading all these negative reviews about Yigal and his releases. I've loved everything I've ever bought from him! He's been a stand up guy and customer service was good. He personally called me to help with an issue a couple years back too. Pretty cool.

Maybe I'm missing something, but all the other threads I've seen on the Café seem to indicate he's got great customer service.

CLEARLY I don't understand the aversion to answering simple questions about a product - but I haven't seen a bad track record by any means. On the contrary, he's gone the extra mile to make things right for people and has a LOT of testimonials to back that up. I'm not saying this new release will be awesome, but I don't think it will be garbage. If you are looking for something that will work miracles, stop looking for magic effects. lol. They are always knacky. Once you get used to that, use your own creativity and make it work for you. I loved Tarantula. Used it for a while in walk-around gigs (though I don't do many anymore). He made IT work a WHOLE lot more practical for most of us. Lots of good things coming from Yigal. Just wanted to speak to the "positive" for a while. :)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 15, 2013 06:34PM)
Xiqual is a world class performer and always tells it like it is. I will be glued to hearing what he has to say.

Zombie
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Mar 15, 2013 06:40PM)
I 2nd that. Love all of his effects. I will be waiting to see Xiqual review on this.
Message: Posted by: gaffed (Mar 15, 2013 07:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 07:10, Justin N. Miller wrote:
…. you have NO IDEA if someone has had a pacemaker or another electronic device surgically placed in their body, this could be a very lethal mistake. It is things like this and the funken ring that makes people see magicians the way they do...ughhh!
JM
[/quote]

What about the issue of a magician causing harm to himself from a Sharpie pen if he uses it on his skin due to its containing carcinogens and possibly causing cancer?
I’m [b][i]only[/i][/b] joking of course, and I’m sure that you know what I’m referring to. lol

Other than that, I’ve never purchased any of Yigal Mesika’s products, so I’m certainly in no position to make any judgment about them, much less his customer service. However, one would think that he would at least jump in here, as he already did earlier on this thread to promote it, to address some of these questions/concerns as to it being an ‘improvement’?

Also, would it not only be [i]fair[/i] to offer some type of discount to those who have already purchased his first version (with proof of purchase of course)? Hey... just a thought, and my three cents worth (inflation ya know). ;)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 16, 2013 02:57AM)
I've been watching the trailer, working up some possible routines with this thing.

I cued this up to play at 1:37. Yigal has a guy and his girl touching their fingers. But Yigal his holding the man's wrist and it happens. Very interesting.

http://youtu.be/-VcPTFQUnPg?t=1m37s

What if....You have the girl peek a card. She never says what it is, but is told to concentrate on the card. Direct her to hold up a finger and touch it to her husband or girlfriends finger, as in the demo. The husband or her girlfriend touches your finger ( maybe your forehead? ). The charge happens and you can call the card ( or a name if using a peek wallet , etc. ).

So, you are using the person in the middle as a conduit for the thought transference.

Based on that demo moment at 1:37, you could do this. if it could be done, I would get this just for that routine.
Message: Posted by: Raymond Singson (Mar 16, 2013 08:53AM)
Zombie, that example was exactly what the first model was primarily used for.

I still have the original Electric Touch and use it on occasion. It's not nearly as hefty a piece of gear as people are making it out to be. I'd be curious to see what improvements are evident in the + model, as I don't really find anything wrong with the original at all. It's a fun way to supplement the mentalism you already do...

RS.
Message: Posted by: JackMagic (Mar 16, 2013 09:39AM)
If anyone shocked me at a corporate function , I would make sure he never worked again !!

This is the most idiot item I have ever seen

Anyone that wants to spend $200 on this needs there head examined !
Message: Posted by: Mysterious Mike (Mar 16, 2013 11:11AM)
To those who never tried the original electric touch: "shocking" people may sound silly to you, perhaps because you see shocking as a silly annoying prank. But when I was utilizing the original electric touch (it's been a few years now), even the most skeptical audience members began to "believe". I would be out with a friend of mine, and he developed this opening story about me that he would tell, explaining that I had survived being struck by lightening when I was a child. Since then, I had developed strange powers using electricity. If a skeptic doesn't believe the story, feel free to touch my forehead or arm for proof! Everybody will hear and see the shock.

I would have a woman take a bar napkin and have her attempt to stick it to a wall. The napkin would fall to the ground. I had her pick it back up and attempt to stick it onto the wall again, this time while holding my hand. The napkins sticks to the wall. The audience was blown away.

Your "given" powers of harnessing electricity could provide a logical explanation to your audience for your PK effects that you may already do. To me, the electric touch is a utility device used as a convincer to have your audience believe that maybe you do have some strange supernatural powers or abilities, and maybe they should, even for a brief moment, believe that what they just saw you perform could be real magic.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 16, 2013 02:56PM)
People who live in tropical and humid places like Texas have no idea what a static shock is.

Try living in Canada for a while. Or Arizona. It is a completely different thing. We're talking a loud CRACK sound, sparks 1/2 inch long and PAIN! You actually feel a kick in your finger like you fired a gun.

Depending where you use that device the intensity will vary a lot. And it will never be any good in very humid climates.

I suspect the people who think sparks are all fun and games and can do no harm live in humid areas.


DD
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 16, 2013 03:12PM)
It's almost as if this will take some common sense to perform with;-)

Paid performers have physically hurt audience members with the arm chopper, smash and stab, etc. And emotionally with a 23 phase ACR!

No matter what climate your in, practice/test, practice/test.......
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Mar 16, 2013 03:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 12:11, Mysterious Mike wrote:
To those who never tried the original electric touch: "shocking" people may sound silly to you, perhaps because you see shocking as a silly annoying prank. But when I was utilizing the original electric touch (it's been a few years now), even the most skeptical audience members began to "believe". I would be out with a friend of mine, and he developed this opening story about me that he would tell, explaining that I had survived being struck by lightening when I was a child. Since then, I had developed strange powers using electricity. If a skeptic doesn't believe the story, feel free to touch my forehead or arm for proof! Everybody will hear and see the shock.

I would have a woman take a bar napkin and have her attempt to stick it to a wall. The napkin would fall to the ground. I had her pick it back up and attempt to stick it onto the wall again, this time while holding my hand. The napkins sticks to the wall. The audience was blown away.

Your "given" powers of harnessing electricity could provide a logical explanation to your audience for your PK effects that you may already do. To me, the electric touch is a utility device used as a convincer to have your audience believe that maybe you do have some strange supernatural powers or abilities, and maybe they should, even for a brief moment, believe that what they just saw you perform could be real magic.
[/quote]


And THAT is why I am hoping this new unit is easier to setup, to be able to do that.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 16, 2013 04:19PM)
With thd original ET once you've customised your shoe that set up is Very easy !
The only improvement "if possible" would be not having to alter your foot wear !
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 16, 2013 04:24PM)
Customising your footwear for ET for a lot of people will be the deciding factor there is some work involved which personally I think the buyer should be aware of !
Again if this has been changed for the new version it would most defiantly be a good selling point ....maybe that's whythey haven't answered the question!
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 16, 2013 06:54PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 17:19, king2262 wrote:

With thd original ET once you've customised your shoe that set up is Very easy !

The only improvement "if possible" would be not having to alter your foot wear !
[/quote]

[b]I have no idea as to the working of the new ET+[/b]. But if one understands how this (NOT ET+'s) technology works, there will be no need of extensively customizing ones shoe. It will be as simple as hammering a small thin nail into the sole of the shoe. Sorry I can not elaborate more due to the Café's laid down rule on exposure.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 16, 2013 07:09PM)
Ustaad is totally right.

I had customized my ET exactly like that and
it worked a lot better then the altering of the shoes.

after the nail was in my sole, I also placed a piece of sticky aluminium foil over the nail's head to keep it in place and to have a larger connection area.

worked very well.
Message: Posted by: PRINCE (Mar 16, 2013 07:12PM)
I have a horrible feeling that the + version will be exactly the same as the previous model. The only difference will be the sensitivity of the shock - which to be honest this feature was part of the last model. The preperation with the shoe is still going to be the same I feel :(
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 16, 2013 07:14PM)
I don't hope so.

but I will definetly wait with my purchase
until there are enough good reviews here in this thread.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 16, 2013 07:21PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 20:09, rasmus wrote:
Ustaad is totally right.

I had customized my ET exactly like that and
it worked a lot better then the altering of the shoes.

[b]after the nail was in my sole, I also placed a piece of sticky aluminium foil over the nail's head to keep it in place and to have a larger connection area.[/b]

worked very well.
[/quote]

No need of adding Aluminum foil. I kept my previous post a bit cryptic. All you need is a good quality Brass Thumb-Tack like the one shown in the photo.

:xmas:
P.S. If this post of mine gets deleted due to the might and power of the few, I will no longer be posting my thoughts on the Café. I will simply sit back, relax and enjoy the Café's :hotcoffee: hospitality and at times give that little wicked smile.
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Mar 16, 2013 07:40PM)
I hope your post doesn't get deleted Ustaad, I believe you've been very tack-full in your postings...........:)
Besides, we would verily miss your insightful thoughts & wisdoms !! ( of course wicked smiles are always a welcomed plus ! LoL )
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 16, 2013 07:57PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 20:21, Ustaad wrote:
If this post of mine gets deleted due to the might and power of the few, I will no longer be posting my thoughts on the Café.
[/quote]

I can't say I'd blame you. It will be a loss to everyone, but we must respect your wishes.

A brass tack. WOW. You Sir, have a brilliant mind!

Zombie
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 16, 2013 08:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 20:57, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-16 20:21, Ustaad wrote:
If this post of mine gets deleted due to the might and power of the few, I will no longer be posting my thoughts on the Café.
[/quote]

I can't say I'd blame you. It will be a loss to everyone, but we must respect your wishes.

A brass tack. WOW. You Sir, have a brilliant mind!

Zombie
[/quote]

I don't think that this great man will ever be banned. he is so helpful and all that for free!!!

that's awesome ustaad:)))
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Mar 16, 2013 11:26PM)
I sure wish Yigal would tell us more about this new offering, he had time to send me some spam announcing the product after I asked what the improvements are.

Creators talking to potential buyers about their effects instead of waiting for the effect to come out & buyers having to find out for themselves things that should have been addresses by the creator is not a good way to do business.


Mike
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 17, 2013 01:18AM)
There is a P.E.T.S set up that a Café member came up with when it first came out that used a thumb tack and made the portability much Easyer but it ment having to cut into the actual ET gimmick ,it was not possible to just use a tack or nail without doing this !
Lets hope it's been redesigned in a way taking this set up into consideration .
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 17, 2013 02:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-17 00:26, Michael Peterson wrote:
I sure wish Yigal would tell us more about this new offering, he had time to send me some spam announcing the product after I asked what the improvements are.

Creators talking to potential buyers about their effects instead of waiting for the effect to come out & buyers having to find out for themselves things that should have been addresses by the creator is not a good way to do business.


Mike
[/quote]


Yigal Mesika sends SPAM. I am certain I am not on his email list. Mesika spammed me on his last release also. I took the time to unsubscribe then, so this is a bit over the top IMO.

I am very irritated that Yigal Mesika sends SPAM emails. I thought that was illegal.


DD
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 17, 2013 02:58AM)
I think a link I posted earlier may have gotten removed erroneously: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvspL4kMY54

That's a common science project not a magic trick, and certainly not an exposure of Electric Touch because of course Electric Touch didn't work like that.

I am speculating though from reading the ad for Electric Touch + that the main "improvement" is that he is hooking up like that now. To the leg.

This is pure speculation based on the fact that the ad says you can do it without a shirt. Of course that's unlikely, he probably mentioned it only to emphasize that the setup is new.

New to him anyway.


DD
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 17, 2013 03:30AM)
The hook ups no different other than with this science trick the attachment to the shoe is better
Message: Posted by: Bernardo Rodriguez (Mar 17, 2013 09:22PM)
When I was first shown Electric Touch I thought the set-up was ridiculous and shocking people was dumb. After I saw that news report of the man tricking people into thinking he could cure anyone and he was said to be "sending a shock through peoples bodies with a touch of his hand" I was blown away. That was able to make people "believe." He was wrong and I believe went to jail, but it's good proof that this tool can have a great impact. I'm definitely looking out for this and I'm most definitely going to keep an open mind. Just thought I'd share that.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 17, 2013 10:03PM)
Bernardo Rodriguez thanks for posting that.

I'm also keeping an open mind. I think used as a tool, this has many possibilities ( book test????? ).
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 18, 2013 06:34PM)
Does anyone that has the first version of Electric Touch know if you could ignite flash paper? I've done this great Nate Kranzo routine called Wish Paper. You light the flash paper and the coin appears. I thought how cool if you didn't have to use a lighter or match, but the flame just appeared and then the coin.

Those that have basic science knowledge, please don't beat me up if the answer is an obvious no;-)
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 18, 2013 06:42PM)
No zombie

that's not possible but would be a very nice addition. perhaps possible
with the new version?

lets dream a little bit, right:)
Message: Posted by: altrez (Mar 18, 2013 07:03PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 19:34, Zombie Magic wrote:
Does anyone that has the first version of Electric Touch know if you could ignite flash paper? I've done this great Nate Kranzo routine called Wish Paper. You light the flash paper and the coin appears. I thought how cool if you didn't have to use a lighter or match, but the flame just appeared and then the coin.

Those that have basic science knowledge, please don't beat me up if the answer is an obvious no;-)
[/quote]

You can here is a link to someone doing it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7g92rHYs0

-Altrez
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 18, 2013 07:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 20:03, altrez wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 19:34, Zombie Magic wrote:
Does anyone that has the first version of Electric Touch know if you could ignite flash paper? I've done this great Nate Kranzo routine called Wish Paper. You light the flash paper and the coin appears. I thought how cool if you didn't have to use a lighter or match, but the flame just appeared and then the coin.

Those that have basic science knowledge, please don't beat me up if the answer is an obvious no;-)
[/quote]

You can here is a link to someone doing it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7g92rHYs0

-Altrez
[/quote]

Thank you for taking the time to find that. Very interesting.
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Mar 18, 2013 09:15PM)
You can ignite flash paper with it? Ok now I must have this.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Mar 18, 2013 09:40PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 20:03, altrez wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 19:34, Zombie Magic wrote:
Does anyone that has the first version of Electric Touch know if you could ignite flash paper? I've done this great Nate Kranzo routine called Wish Paper. You light the flash paper and the coin appears. I thought how cool if you didn't have to use a lighter or match, but the flame just appeared and then the coin.

Those that have basic science knowledge, please don't beat me up if the answer is an obvious no;-)
[/quote]


sure? I didn't knew that, thanks for sharing. any advice? it didn't work for me sorry.

thanks
You can here is a link to someone doing it on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM7g92rHYs0

-Altrez
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Mar 18, 2013 11:46PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-18 22:15, DougNicols wrote:

[b]You can ignite flash paper with it? Ok now I must have this[/b].
[/quote]

:bg: :blush: ;)

:goodluck:

:xmas:
P.S.
Hint: This will only work under certain specific conditions. It will also need some additional special material.
(Sorry I can not elaborate more due to the Café's laid down rule on exposure.)

Please Note: Sorry, no PM's on this please. Thank you for your kind understanding.
Message: Posted by: DTJK (Mar 19, 2013 01:33AM)
Electric Touch is NOT able to ignite flash products, UNLESS you place the flash products on a metal plate (as seen on the youtube video). The sparks when contacted with the metal plate will spark off the ignition. Its a real tiny spark so chances are you probably wont pull this off.

I don't think this was mentioned in this thread but grounding for Electric Touch is very important. It is simple science. One simple example is that if you're on stage, you will not be able to get as much of a shock with your ET because you're elevated from the ground. This applies to the other person that you're shocking as well. If I'm sitting on a swing or I'm hanging myself on a monkey bar, you wont be able to shock me as much, simply because I'm not in contact to the ground. If you're on stage and you wish to use ET, you might want to probably test out if it works on the particular grounding you're standing on. If it doesn't work, perhaps you can add some water on the floor to enhance grounding. If it still doesn't work, the stage is probably made of a really bad conductor like wood and you might wanna remove ET out of your act. This is 1 scenario.

This brings me back to the first point, where ET is not able to ignite flash products, unless you do EXACTLY how they do it in the video, where you have to place the flash cotton on the FLOOR on a metal plate (the cotton will receive maximum grounding which gives maximum shock, and with the metal place, the spark might actually be strong enough to ignite the cotton) but if you thinking you can have the flash cotton on a table or holding it in your hands and when you activate ET and the flash cotton ignites, this will not be possible at all, because simply science will does not work this way.

Do a search on google to see how positive and negative electrons work; when I got my ET in 2007 I think I improved my science as well, understanding how the product works completely will let you know where will be a good place to use ET; you cant just do this anywhere anytime.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 19, 2013 01:55AM)
Thanks for the input and the science lesson that I missed in school! I appreciate your time in doing so! The flash paper coin routine is out!

My second idea had to do with a water polo routine.....
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 04:53AM)
Hi, I'm new here. Being an electrician I knows fair bit about electricity and you wouldn't need to use a metal plate to make the flashpaper ignight all youneed is the arc to be travelling through the paper. Might take a couple of seconds but it will eventually go.

Another thing is that if someone was on the monkey bars as you said they would get a shock as the monkey bars themselvesaremet and earthed. The only case in which they would t get a shock is if they were hold ing on with really really thick gloves.

That stage part you spoke of has me a little worried though, it may sound stupid but I never thought of that, maybe you can still use it in your rutines before and after your stage set?

I must say I am one of the people that preordered this as I love the idea of it I want the first but I just could not get my hands in one, it was around the time of the release of the SPP that I found that Yigal was making a new ET and I have been waiting ever since.

The thing I like about itis, as much as people might think they know about electricity unless you studied it you don't know a lot so, the idea that someone can harness it? How is that not 'magic'?

Thanks for reading.

P.S I CAN'T WAIT!!
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 07:08AM)
Hi, again :) what I mean with the flash paper is the static shock is basically the static taking its quickest route to earth, now, however you create that connection between you and earth (whether it be you touch the floor or touch a spectator) as long as the arc travels through the paper it should light, so I'm not sure whether this is a good idea but you could have a spectator or a partner hold the paper in the palm of their hand you touch it with your finger, now as long as you're creating that arc it could look pretty incredible.

Piece.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Mar 19, 2013 07:17AM)
Lighting flash paper in the palm of a spectator ..... Really???.........ARE YOU INSANE!!!
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 07:33AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 08:17, rasp wrote:
Lighting flash paper in the palm of a spectator ..... Really???.........ARE YOU INSANE!!!
[/quote]

As I said, probably isn't a good idea, but an accomplice acting as a spectator???

It's not like the flash goes on for long enough to hurt anyone, I'm not talking about large A4-A3 sheets of the stuff...
Message: Posted by: professorwho (Mar 19, 2013 08:13AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 08:33, MrSlogan89 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 08:17, rasp wrote:
Lighting flash paper in the palm of a spectator ..... Really???.........ARE YOU INSANE!!!
[/quote]

As I said, probably isn't a good idea, but an accomplice acting as a spectator???

It's not like the flash goes on for long enough to hurt anyone, I'm not talking about large A4-A3 sheets of the stuff...
[/quote]
I've burnt myself with flash paper, even a tiny amount can burn for a while.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Mar 19, 2013 10:11AM)
Please do not use flash paper on anyone else but yourself. Second degree burns can occur, especially from colored flash paper.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 19, 2013 10:32AM)
This is already six pages long, so I don't know what fool wanted to ignite flash paper in a coin routine, but it won't work in that context, so let's drop the use of flash paper as we brainstorm routines.

Yigal used tobacco in the clip, but if you worked in a restaurant that had straws, tearing up the paper from a straw could be used.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 11:51AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 11:32, Zombie Magic wrote:
Yigal used tobacco in the clip, but if you worked in a restaurant that had straws, tearing up the paper from a straw could be used.
[/quote]

Or the salt and pepper?
Message: Posted by: DTJK (Mar 19, 2013 01:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 05:53, MrSlogan89 wrote:
Another thing is that if someone was on the monkey bars as you said they would get a shock as the monkey bars themselvesaremet and earthed. The only case in which they would t get a shock is if they were hold ing on with really really thick gloves.

That stage part you spoke of has me a little worried though, it may sound stupid but I never thought of that, maybe you can still use it in your rutines before and after your stage set?
[/quote]

Ok monkey bars is a bad example. Lets use an example that is easier to understand. Lets say your audience is sitting on a chair, and his feet happen not to be touching the floor (because he's short for example, or he's crossing his legs) and the chair is made of WOOD or plastic.

There will be a HIGH CHANCE that your ET will NOT work. You'll be touching your spectator and nothing comes out of it. Simply because the only grounding he has are the 4 legs of the chair, and if its wood (a bad conductor) it will not shock him.

As for the stage example, most of the time stages are ELEVATED from the ground, made from wood, cover with carpet etc. Try going on a stage and start jumping around, you will find that it is HOLLOW. There is a SPACE between you and the actual ground when you're standing on stage. In this case, you are NOT grounded 100%. Your only grounding is only the parts of the stage that is touching the actual floor. Once again, most of the time the ET will not work on stages UNLESS its a solid concrete stage.

Carpets in hotels, wooden floorings, are all factors. You not only have to see where you YOURSELF are standing, you can be absolutely well grounded but if your spectator is on a wheelchair and his grounding is just the 2 RUBBER wheels that's touching the ground, he is poorly grounded and ET will not spark him.

However, please don't try this on a person on a wheelchair..
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 19, 2013 01:36PM)
There are so many easier, more reliable and less expensive ways to light flash paper.

Ways that don't involve a special shoe.

If the flash paper could have been lit anywhere other than that large metal plate, on the sidewalk outdoors, with a funny gimmicked shoe grounded on that same steel plate only inches from it... they would have done it.

Trust me on that one :)


DD
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 19, 2013 01:52PM)
"And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none...."

Clearly in my case, it has. lol. Sorry about brining up flash paper. I use it in the Kranzo routine and I wondered if I could use this to ignite it. Sorry everyone.

I did like that moment on the trailer where two people were used.

Also, Papercrane put out that great DVD on Matt Sconce's SPUN. It would be interesting to combine ET with that.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Mar 19, 2013 02:51PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 14:52, Zombie Magic wrote:
Also, Papercrane put out that great DVD on Matt Sconce's SPUN. It would be interesting to combine ET with that.
[/quote]

If that works it's a MUCH better idea than sawdust or whatever he's moving in the demo. People will recognize what he's doing with those particles as the same trick where you hold a comb over paper pieces to make them dance.

Nice thought. Actually, that's the first sensible idea for this I've heard. The other presentations look like nothing more than science tricks.

Although the average person doesn't really know all that much about electricity, this is the youtube generation. They have literally seen it all before.

I don't think static is going to impress people like it may have when this was first released. Unless you put a real twist on it, like Zombie just did.



DD
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 03:28PM)
[quote]
I don't think static is going to impress people like it may have when this was first released.
[/quote]

But how many people will know it was static? If you build up a moment snout people will believe what ever you want them to.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 19, 2013 03:29PM)
Build up a moment enought. Sorry.

Dan.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 20, 2013 01:33AM)
Imp devices are so powerful. Whatever your favorite method ( B. smith's Psypher, etc. ) and have them imagine a large theater screen, with the word on it. Have them touch their forehead as they think of it and then touch yours.... it's sent and you announce it.

Using B. Smiths Psypher for instance, you get the peek, but I don't think you have to write the word down. You could use a peek wallet, Osterlind CT, any way to get the word. But Psypher is so clever.

Here's Robert Smith ( one of my FAVORITE performers ) showing how fast you get the word:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTEbeBS8VI&feature=youtu.be&t=1m16s

I think using the ET+ in tandem with IMP, book test, etc. would create a very hard hitting, memorable moment for any audience member.

I keep picturing Uri Geller when he did a drawing dupe for Barbara Walters and how blown away she was. Imagine if she "felt" the thought being transferred?
Message: Posted by: Michael Peterson (Mar 20, 2013 02:18PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 14:52, Zombie Magic wrote:
"And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none...."


[/quote]


:)


Mike
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 23, 2013 07:18PM)
I've been thinking, brainstorming rutines. And something hit me, instead of physically touching someone or having them touch you, how about having them touch something else, see I own an Infinty Ring, but anything could be used, ie a coin, anything that is metal. Display something cool with your prop and then say it also, does this then go into whatever rutine that requires you to tell them what they are thinking of, so with the Infinity ring after I've displayed what it can do I hand it out mentioning that it can also do something else, maybe have them pick a card, take the chain and ring back (I'm working on some sort of script to talk about it) and have the ring hanging and ask them to touch the ring and obviously they will get a shock, then reveal their thoughts. I like this idea because you can then hand out the prop and all is how it seems they are not going to think 'Oh, he must have some sort of gimmick strapped to him.' Because you're being totally fair, and you will have already in the previous effect with the prop that it is stand alone and when they examine the coin, ring or what ever it is that you may use is totally legitimate.

Just a though. Hopefully one can see what I mean. Much like his demanstration with the dog 'did it bite you' but I think personally on a better scale.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 23, 2013 07:23PM)
Spurring off of that, the idea of the ring and chain kind of distracts any thought that you may have something on you that delivers a shock, because although the chain is metal you're not touching the ring that they're touching so really, you're clean?

I mean tell me I'm wrong but I think this rutine would be a killer.
Message: Posted by: bowers (Mar 23, 2013 10:12PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 14:52, Zombie Magic wrote:
"And though my lack of education hasn't hurt me none...."

Also, Papercrane put out that great DVD on Matt Sconce's SPUN. It would be interesting to combine ET with that.
[/quote]

I actually did that routien with the first ET version Clarke.
Todd
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 25, 2013 02:17AM)
I was watching the trailer again. Seeing the tobacco effect, I thought "book test".

So, the word is selected and you know what it is. The book is placed on the table, cracked open, in half, pages facing up.

They concentrate on their word. You hold your hand over the book, trying to divine the word. Some pages of the book turn over and then you name their word.

I think that if you performed that, people would have some amazing reactions.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 25, 2013 05:21AM)
Great idea Zombie but you won't be able to move the pages with ET .
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Mar 25, 2013 09:19AM)
Or will it, same principle as the tobacco, I think as long as the pages are light enough it could work?
Message: Posted by: Matt Adams (Mar 25, 2013 10:55AM)
Well I hopped on board - just made a pre-purchase. Hope it's great!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 25, 2013 11:00AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 06:21, king2262 wrote:
Great idea Zombie but you won't be able to move the pages with ET .
[/quote]

king2262, I think you should be able to move at least 1 or 2 pages. If it can do tobacco and confetti, a paper page should be able to animate.

I'm not talking 30 pages flutter by. Even just 1 would be an amazing moment.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Mar 25, 2013 02:51PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 12:00, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 06:21, king2262 wrote:
Great idea Zombie but you won't be able to move the pages with ET .
[/quote]

king2262, I think you should be able to move at least 1 or 2 pages. If it can do tobacco and confetti, a paper page should be able to animate.

I'm not talking 30 pages flutter by. Even just 1 would be an amazing moment.
[/quote]

I've used my ET a lot since it originally came out and I've never been able to "make a page flutter "
Your have more luck blowing on the pages :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 25, 2013 03:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 15:51, king2262 wrote:

I've used my ET a lot since it originally came out and I've never been able to "make a page flutter "
Your have more luck blowing on the pages :)
[/quote]

Dang it!

I was sure since you could do bits of paper, you could get a page to do it. Thanks for the input.

Blowing on the pages does work, unless James Randi is in the room;-)
Message: Posted by: j.i.s. (Apr 1, 2013 09:22AM)
An review ???
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 1, 2013 09:25AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-01 10:22, j.i.s. wrote:
An review ???
[/quote]

???

All the ads say it doesn't ship until April 12.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Apr 1, 2013 12:20PM)
To be honest.... this thing looks so 'too good to be true' - I just can't believe it is priced so little... the ability to charge your entire body up for just 150 quid?
Message: Posted by: Blindside785 (Apr 1, 2013 01:15PM)
With Dr. Bills Tear out, Electric Touch+ looks quite tasty.
Message: Posted by: 8a22a (Apr 4, 2013 08:30AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 15:51, king2262 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 12:00, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-25 06:21, king2262 wrote:
Great idea Zombie but you won't be able to move the pages with ET .
[/quote]

king2262, I think you should be able to move at least 1 or 2 pages. If it can do tobacco and confetti, a paper page should be able to animate.

I'm not talking 30 pages flutter by. Even just 1 would be an amazing moment.
[/quote]

I've used my ET a lot since it originally came out and I've never been able to "make a page flutter "
Your have more luck blowing on the pages :)
[/quote]

Should work with tissues.
Message: Posted by: The0mas (Apr 4, 2013 10:49AM)
Lol I just can't think of any routine that this device could be used for... Tha fact is that, as shown by this thread, there are different opinions concerning iif it is a good idea or not to go around and "shock" people, as you can never know if your spectator will be the one who would actually laugh/give good reactions, or if he would freak out and just leave... Unless you just walk to him and say "hey would you matter if during my show I give you a shock?" But honestly this wouldn't be a good idea :P
So it all depends on what kind of people are you dealing with... And personally, if I had to spend 200$, I would rather buying something that I am sure everyone could like.
Just a question: the customer service said that it will be more powerful than the previous one... Now, I do not own the original one, but is it REALLY necessary to give a stronger shock?? I really don't think so...

P.S.: just a hint: I would recommend to always check weather forecasts before you go out performing, you would not want to wear it in a rainy day!!!! :P
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 4, 2013 10:57AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-04 11:49, The0mas wrote:

Lol I just can't think of any routine that this device could be used for... [/quote]

Besides shocking people, this device can be put to quite a few other wonder uses/ routines (sorry I will not elaborate on this & no PM's please).

[quote]
On 2013-04-04 11:49, The0mas wrote:

P.S.:
[b]. . . you would not want to wear it in a rainy day!!!![/b] :P
[/quote]

Rather you should say – “. . . you would not want to wear it on a [b]high humidity day!!!![/b]” :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 4, 2013 11:21AM)
Just shocking people is not a routine and would be an abuse of the prop. In a book test, diving the thought of word, the thought can be sent or transferred. Our hearts work because of electrical stimuli, so we do have electrical impulses inside us. Having them touch their foreheads while they think of the word and then touching yours makes perfect sense.

How about using Ben Harris's ( a true genius ) spoon bend from his book "Gellerism Revealed" in combination with ET+?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 9, 2013 08:22AM)
I keep watching the trailer and thinking up routines to justify using this ( hey, millions watch golf on TV, so I think I'm making better use of my time;-)

When Mike Ammar performed the floating bill on the Tonight Show for Johnny Carson, he had that great ruse about static electricity causing the bill to move. He rubbed the bill on the wool of his pants, folded the bill and it moved. More static and it floated. It was ingenious because it gave the audience somewhere to go.

Using the Electric Touch would really sell this. Using Ammar's patter line, you rub the bill and it moves slightly in your hand. Rub it again and have them hold their finger out. Tell them they can feel the static charge and touch their finger with yours while holding the bill. They WILL feel the charge ( you're not surprise shocking them ). Now do the full floating routine. At this point they will have taken the hook, line and sinker and run with it in their mind.

Being a thread head/floating bill nut, I think this would be a mind blowing experience for any audience. Unless you could levitate and float out of the room, you'd be hard pressed to follow it. Ammar has said when he'd float a bill at a gig, it would be very frustrating because that's all they wanted to see.

I sold myself on this! lol.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 11, 2013 07:43PM)
Is the setup different?
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 11, 2013 08:56PM)
Until I find out how this differs from the original I could not justify spending the money. Looking forward to someone in the know informing all as to any improvements on the original. Would be good to hear from Yigal
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 12, 2013 04:34AM)
Mine is on the way!!!! YEEEEHHAAAAA!!!!!
James
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 12, 2013 05:41AM)
I live in the UK so if could take a while to recieve, can someone please privite message me apon finding out what the hookup is, just do I can prepare in advance. There was a a lot more to the old one that meant you couldn't use it until you'd gone out spent MORE money.

So, I jjust want to be able to prepare for it.

Thanks.
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Apr 12, 2013 10:23AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-12 05:34, Xiqual wrote:
Mine is on the way!!!! YEEEEHHAAAAA!!!!!
James
[/quote]


Please post a review and answers to some of the questions in this thread when you get it James!
I am just surprised that this came out on time.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 12, 2013 11:14AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-12 11:23, elimagic wrote:
[quote]
I am just surprised that this came out on time.
[/quote]

Lol, me too.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 13, 2013 10:05AM)
I just thought of something, what if you go a **** with this thing running, that could be tragic...
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 13, 2013 10:06AM)
Wea** sorry moderator, excuse my language :D
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 13, 2013 10:28AM)
Any review???????????????
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 13, 2013 11:31AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 11:28, Dr. Eamon wrote:
Any review???????????????
[/quote]

It says on the sites it just started shipping, so no reviews, yet.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 13, 2013 11:34AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 12:31, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 11:28, Dr. Eamon wrote:
Any review???????????????
[/quote]

It says on the sites it just started shipping, so no reviews, yet.
[/quote]

Maybe someone from the postoffice :)
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 13, 2013 11:36AM)
I guess nothing will be really new and many will be really disappointed!!
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Apr 13, 2013 02:16PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 12:36, Dr. Eamon wrote:
I guess nothing will be really new and many will be really disappointed!!
[/quote]
It's good you're not jumping to conclusions.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 13, 2013 02:37PM)
I'll wait to hear what Xiqual has to say about it. He gave a rave review to The Spider Pen Pro and when I finally was able to get one, everything Xiual said about it was true.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 13, 2013 03:28PM)
Has anyone received any confirmation of dispatch? Just hoping I'm not the only one that hasn't. Is it because I is British? :D
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 13, 2013 08:45PM)
"The sky is falling! We are all doomed!"
James


[quote]
On 2013-04-13 12:36, Dr. Eamon wrote:
I guess nothing will be really new and many will be really disappointed!!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 13, 2013 09:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 16:28, MrSlogan89 wrote:

Has anyone received any confirmation of dispatch?
[/quote]

[quote]
On 2013-04-12 05:34, Xiqual wrote:

Mine is on the way!!!! YEEEEHHAAAAA!!!!!
James
[/quote]

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 14, 2013 02:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 21:45, Xiqual wrote:
"The sky is falling! We are all doomed!"
James


[quote]
On 2013-04-13 12:36, Dr. Eamon wrote:
I guess nothing will be really new and many will be really disappointed!!
[/quote]
[/quote]


:)
Message: Posted by: ReviewerMaster (Apr 14, 2013 05:57PM)
Any solid reviews yet guys?
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 15, 2013 02:13AM)
Mine should arrive tomorrow I hope to have a review up by next week. Personally I am really excited to see what I can come up with for this one of it functions as advertised.
Message: Posted by: richi (Apr 15, 2013 12:56PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-13 16:28, MrSlogan89 wrote:
Has anyone received any confirmation of dispatch? Just hoping I'm not the only one that hasn't. Is it because I is British? :D
[/quote]

I have the same doubt, I purchase at yigalmesika page.

I have not received any confirmation or email.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 15, 2013 01:14PM)
[/quote]

I have the same doubt, I purchase at yigalmesika page.

I have not received any confirmation or email.
[/quote]

I bought mine from him direct too, I managed to get a reply from support, they said:
'Hello Daniel, as mentioned on the page where they were available to purchase, all orders were shipped out on the 12th'

So I'm guessing they aren't sending confirmation of dispatch, which is a bit naff to be honest because its nice to be assured, you know, specially when you've spent quite a lot of money.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 15, 2013 01:16PM)
Did take a few emails to get a reply, though. Don't think I'll be buying direct again.
Message: Posted by: SomethingReal (Apr 15, 2013 08:28PM)
Hello Guys,

All ET+ units were shipped on April 12th as promised, please be patient. Your package will arrive in the next few days. Your honest experience posted on Magic Café would be truly appreciated.

Wish you all the best!

Cheers,
Yigal
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Apr 15, 2013 08:51PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-15 21:28, SomethingReal wrote:
Hello Guys,

All ET+ units were shipped on April 12th as promised, please be patient. Your package will arrive in the next few days. Your honest experience posted on Magic Café would be truly appreciated.

Wish you all the best!

Cheers,
Yigal
[/quote]


Well there we have it, they have been shipped. Now the wait to those hopefully positive reviews until I place my order :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 15, 2013 09:38PM)
My friend John called and said he received his today and invited me over to see it. He's about 2 hrs. away, but my wife is having a rough few days, so we can't go ( a convenient excuse because I wouldn't drive two hours for the Second Coming;-) I asked him to let me what he thinks after he gets it set up and tries it out. He said I have to see it and is making the drive. Apparently there is a professional set up and a simple one that you can do right away to practice. He did the simple one and is freaking out about it.

I know what it is, so I won't be freaking out, but I'll let everyone know what the deal is later tonight.
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 15, 2013 10:37PM)
That sounds Great Zombie. Can't wait to hear your Thoughts about it:)))
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 01:12AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-15 22:38, Zombie Magic wrote:
Apparently there is a professional set up and a simple one that you can do right away to practice. He did the simple one and is freaking out about it. I know what it is, so I won't be freaking out, but I'll let everyone know what the deal is later tonight.
[/quote]

This sounds quite positive! Looking forward to hearing about it!
Message: Posted by: Martin.Lester (Apr 16, 2013 01:58AM)
Not bad so far 8 Pages of vapour ware

Hopefully we won't have to wait another 8 pages before the reviews come in !
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Apr 16, 2013 06:20AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 02:12, MrSlogan89 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-15 22:38, Zombie Magic wrote:
Apparently there is a professional set up and a simple one that you can do right away to practice. He did the simple one and is freaking out about it. I know what it is, so I won't be freaking out, but I'll let everyone know what the deal is later tonight.
[/quote]

This sounds quite positive! Looking forward to hearing about it!
[/quote]

The Original ET also had a simple set up so you could try it straight away ,but it was just for practice ! as with the "pro" set up the part in question was properly housed and secure .
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Apr 16, 2013 06:29AM)
Looking forward to find out if there's any new improvements with this version other than the +
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 06:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 07:20, king2262 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 02:12, MrSlogan89 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-15 22:38, Zombie Magic wrote:
Apparently there is a professional set up and a simple one that you can do right away to practice. He did the simple one and is freaking out about it. I know what it is, so I won't be freaking out, but I'll let everyone know what the deal is later tonight.
[/quote]

This sounds quite positive! Looking forward to hearing about it!
[/quote]

The Original ET also had a simple set up so you could try it straight away ,but it was just for practice ! as with the "pro" set up the part in question was properly housed and secure .
[/quote]

See I don't know much about the first one because I was never able to get a hold of one, I only know what I have gathered from the Internet since I first heard about it, I actually wanted it that bad that I messaged Yigal to see if he just might have one laying around somewhere, this as about 2years ago and that's when he said he's developing a new version. I hope it exceeds all expectations I really do, have a list of idea, scrips, jokes for it, I'm reasonably new to magic, but always had the interest, but I have never planned so much before relieving something!
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 08:12AM)
Mine has arrived, it's at work, though I don't start for another 2 hours :/
Message: Posted by: elimagic (Apr 16, 2013 09:11AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 09:12, MrSlogan89 wrote:
Mine has arrived, it's at work, though I don't start for another 2 hours :/
[/quote]


Looking forward to your thoughts sir!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 16, 2013 02:05PM)
WATCH THE DVD AND READ THE WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS!

Stayed up to around 4 a.m. Using the temporary setup it works exactly as advertise. He brought two and gave me one as a gift, so I'll be getting the Professional setup done this week. If you're not a DIY person, the kit includes written instructions to bring to a shoemaker, so you don't have to verbally fumble what you want done.

The written instructions say you can also use sneakers or sports shoes that have rubber soles. I think many will go that way because you can do that yourself. I'm all thumbs, so I'd still bring it to someone.

WATCH THE DVD AND READ THE WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS!

It's $200 and an electric device. People buy toasters and spend more time reading the instructions that they do with magic tricks. After spending hours with this, I'm cringing that someone will open the box and start playing with stuff without learning how to use it and then telling us it doesn't work. lol.

On the trailer he showed re-directing the water stream form the faucet. It works and it's so weird to experience ( ( it's the ions, baby). It's not something it does, that you'll never use. If this is a hobby and you enjoy performing when asked ( some Pro's rightfully don't and just want to be a guest ) this would freak them out. I know how it works and I was freaked out.

The dvd shows MANY performances on the street, so you get a good collection of ideas to use. ET+ is a tool to accent powerful magic such as the ID, Brainwave, etc. A spoon bend has an added benefit: they will feel the magic, but you won't ( because you feel the charge when just a touch is used ).

There's so much I want to experiment with, so when I get set up I'll share ideas that worked and ones that didn't.

This device works. I got it as a gift, but I would have easily paid $500 for what I've seen of it so far.
Message: Posted by: Suux88 (Apr 16, 2013 02:14PM)
Any comparisons to ET and ET+
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 02:19PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 15:05, Zombie Magic wrote:
WATCH THE DVD AND READ THE WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS!

Stayed up to around 4 a.m. Using the temporary setup it works exactly as advertise. He brought two and gave me one as a gift, so I'll be getting the Professional setup done this week. If you're not a DIY person, the kit includes written instructions to bring to a shoemaker, so you don't have to verbally fumble what you want done.

The written instructions say you can also use sneakers or sports shoes that have rubber soles. I think many will go that way because you can do that yourself. I'm all thumbs, so I'd still bring it to someone.

WATCH THE DVD AND READ THE WRITTEN INSTRUCTIONS!

It's $200 and an electric device. People buy toasters and spend more time reading the instructions that they do with magic tricks. After spending hours with this, I'm cringing that someone will open the box and start playing with stuff without learning how to use it and then telling us it doesn't work. lol.

On the trailer he showed re-directing the water stream form the faucet. It works and it's so weird to experience ( ( it's the ions, baby). It's not something it does, that you'll never use. If this is a hobby and you enjoy performing when asked ( some Pro's rightfully don't and just want to be a guest ) this would freak them out. I know how it works and I was freaked out.

The dvd shows MANY performances on the street, so you get a good collection of ideas to use. ET+ is a tool to accent powerful magic such as the ID, Brainwave, etc. A spoon bend has an added benefit: they will feel the magic, but you won't ( because you feel the charge when just a touch is used ).

There's so much I want to experiment with, so when I get set up I'll share ideas that worked and ones that didn't.

This device works. I got it as a gift, but I would have easily paid $500 for what I've seen of it so far.
[/quote]

I've only read the written instructions at the minute as I'm at work, all is fine but it does seen to make an electrical whistling sound, nothing to worry about no one will hear it, but is it suppose to do that? Zombie, does yours make a sound? Just want to know that it is working how it should?

I can't wait to get home and watch the DVD, it sounds good, ill be setting up with trainers, seems the easier/more aplicable option for my dress sense.

I can vouch for most of what zombie is saying, so far so good! Happy happy!
Message: Posted by: Chessmann (Apr 16, 2013 02:24PM)
Wait, Zombie....watch a DVD and read the *what*???

:)
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Apr 16, 2013 03:32PM)
So so far the set up sounds the same ,the original unit does make a slight whistle sound but it is so small it will never be heard .
I've gotta feeling that other than a few extra performance ideas and maybe the gimmicks housing is slightly different there's probably no difference to the first hence no questions being answered .
Regardless ET is a great bit of kit,although the set up for some will defiantly be a turn off !
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 04:04PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 16:32, king2262 wrote:
So so far the set up sounds the same ,the original unit does make a slight whistle sound but it is so small it will never be heard .
I've gotta feeling that other than a few extra performance ideas and maybe the gimmicks housing is slightly different there's probably no difference to the first hence no questions being answered .
Regardless ET is a great bit of kit,although the set up for some will defiantly be a turn off !
[/quote]

If you pm me the setup for the first I will happily tell you if this is the same?
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 16, 2013 04:08PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-16 16:56, The Donald wrote:
There is essentially no difference between the new and the old. The new one is just as big of a pain to set up and wear and it makes noise.
[/quote]

I personally will be using this outside more than anything and (although advertised its silent) no one will be able to hear it. It's one of them high pitched noises that most people can't hear anyways.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Apr 16, 2013 04:08PM)
Can someone please tell me if you can use the housing of version 1 for ET+ as well?
I've already installed the gimmick and would be very happy to be able keep using it.

all the best
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 16, 2013 05:18PM)
I don't have the first one, so I can't compare. On the dvd Mesika says the Mag. is longer and stronger and the housing unit has been treated to prevent corrosion.

The Mrs. and I were working with it. She wore the shoes and did the water trick, bits of paper animated and also spun a straw on a bottle. We tested the shocks on each other and agree that it's strong, but more of a surprise factor that a painful charge. I thought on the demo they used sound special effects to enhance the magic moment. They didn't, you can hear it. I haven't detected a noise issue with the unit itself, but I was talking while we tried stuff. If there was a sound, I didn't pick up on it.

Another plus is no sleeves required ( one of the things that had me hold off on the smoke device ).

This device will be a less is more and used to accent already strong magic. Book tests, spoon bends, bill animations, etc. can all be made stronger. How about the Real Coin Bend by Rasmus? I was thinking also Cards Across. Now they can feel the moment the magic happens. And the the Biddle trick! Show you have 5 cards, make the magic happen with ET+, now you have 4 cards and, well you know the rest.

It's imperative that the written instructions be absorbed. There's a FAQ section and enough info to make the device work perfectly. I watched the DVD, read the instructions, did the simple, temporary setup and it worked immediately.
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (Apr 16, 2013 10:52PM)
ET vs ET+


• Is the setup different or easier?

• Do I still have to ***** my shoes?

• Can I wear ET+ on all my shoes or only the shoes that I have *****

• Are the batteries different? (Rechargeable now or Does it use cheaper batteries?)
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Apr 17, 2013 12:46AM)
When you do the water trick.... don't touch the water ;) this can be painful.
Message: Posted by: russpie (Apr 17, 2013 08:34AM)
Glad to see the same kind of issues are cropping up all over again. I threw out my original ET the other day after finding it in the loft from 4 years ago when I last used it. It was impractical & unreliable then & I suspect will be again. Philipe of the 'PETS' setup should have brought out a device as he seemed to get it right. I've laughed out loud at some of the comments on here about people wanting to light flash paper & turn pages with ET+, it's like turning back the clock to when this came out the first time around. For anyone who performs professionally indoors this is not for you.

For those of you with an interest in mentalism, I predict the subject of bad grounding & questions on how to improve the charging of your body with KY jelly will be brought up in the very near future. Oh & if it does take the same sized batteries as the 1st version I've got about 12 packs of them for sale if you want some.

One word, shocking.
Message: Posted by: Exitmat (Apr 17, 2013 08:53AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 09:34, russpie wrote:
...For anyone who performs professionally indoors this is not for you.
[/quote]
My experience has been the opposite. Always worked great for walk-around gigs inside.

World Magic Shop just posted this about the ET+ on FB:



Hi Guys

It’s here! One of the most anticipated releases of 2013. Yigal Mesika’s Electric Touch+ is now in and we wanted to take this opportunity to answer the questions you have been asking about this new release.

Q) What is the difference from the original?
A) Upgraded technology meaning you can adjust the current. The DVD has been completely re shot with new routines. It is a lot quieter and the main gimmick is now corrosion proof.

Q) Is it just used to shock people?
A) No, you can also animate objects such as confetti, salt and pepper. You can also light up small light bulbs. One of the most impressive effects is bending a stream of water as it runs from a tap!

Q) How easy is it to set up and how long does it take?
A) If you have the original, the set up is pretty much the same.

Q) Will I have to buy anything else to make it work well?
A) To get it fitted into your existing clothing, you may want to go and get this fitted by someone professionally and this will cost approximately £15.

ORDER IT HERE:
http://www.worldmagicshop.com/Electric_Touch_by_Yigal_Mesika_Trick_p/electrictouch_plus-.htm

Any more questions, please feel free to give us a call on 0121 333 6400
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 17, 2013 09:14AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 09:34, russpie wrote:
Glad to see the same kind of issues are cropping up all over again. I threw out my original ET the other day after finding it in the loft from 4 years ago when I last used it. It was impractical & unreliable then & I suspect will be again. Philipe of the 'PETS' setup should have brought out a device as he seemed to get it right. I've laughed out loud at some of the comments on here about people wanting to light flash paper & turn pages with ET+, it's like turning back the clock to when this came out the first time around. For anyone who performs professionally indoors this is not for you.

For those of you with an interest in mentalism, I predict the subject of bad grounding & questions on how to improve the charging of your body with KY jelly will be brought up in the very near future. Oh & if it does take the same sized batteries as the 1st version I've got about 12 packs of them for sale if you want some.

One word, shocking.



[/quote]

Perhaps your original unit was unreliable because it kept shorting out due to your innate negativity. You seem so "glad to see" problems and "laugh out loud" at others comments and "predict" more problems in the comments to come. You might have considered "throwiing out" not only your original ET the "other day" but also your inherent doom and gloom gloating philosophy as well. One word - futilitarian.
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 17, 2013 10:09AM)
FUTILITARIAN.......good word,

Guess I must be one of those as I have the original. I also experienced many problems with the device and also agree with some of the points mentioned by Russpie.

After reading the blurb above from 'world magic shop', I fail to see any significant major improvements........

Ability to adjust the current................. the original has a switch that does that.

Re shot DVD with new routines............ WOW!!! so what......... I have an imagination of my own thanks.

Quieter................... never had an issue with noise.

Corrosion proof.............. well maybe, but I could not comment on the original having a problem with that issue, mainly because the device was such a pain in the ass to set up and swap from shoe to shoe that it never got used enough.

Animate confetti, salt and pepper, light small light bulbs and bending stream of water from a tap............ again all could be achieved with the original (on a good day).

Set up................ exactly the same as the original (and the main problem that people had with the original).

ELECTRIC TOUCH + ............

Sorry I'm still slightly confused.............. What does the plus stand for again???

Regards,

Ian.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 17, 2013 10:18AM)
Right on Doctor Steve!
So many people are so happy to see others have problems. Those sad people must be really unhappy. What ever happened to good old fashioned compassion?
James


[quote]
On 2013-04-17 10:14, drstevemagic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 09:34, russpie wrote:
Glad to see the same kind of issues are cropping up all over again. I threw out my original ET the other day after finding it in the loft from 4 years ago when I last used it. It was impractical & unreliable then & I suspect will be again. Philipe of the 'PETS' setup should have brought out a device as he seemed to get it right. I've laughed out loud at some of the comments on here about people wanting to light flash paper & turn pages with ET+, it's like turning back the clock to when this came out the first time around. For anyone who performs professionally indoors this is not for you.

For those of you with an interest in mentalism, I predict the subject of bad grounding & questions on how to improve the charging of your body with KY jelly will be brought up in the very near future. Oh & if it does take the same sized batteries as the 1st version I've got about 12 packs of them for sale if you want some.

One word, shocking.



[/quote]

Perhaps your original unit was unreliable because it kept shorting out due to your innate negativity. You seem so "glad to see" problems and "laugh out loud" at others comments and "predict" more problems in the comments to come. You might have considered "throwiing out" not only your original ET the "other day" but also your inherent doom and gloom gloating philosophy as well. One word - futilitarian.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Kune (Apr 17, 2013 11:13AM)
Is it any more powerful than the original ET at full power?
Also, how low can you set the power now?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 17, 2013 11:20AM)
The unit has a 3 position switch for off, low and high.

I didn't have the first one, so I can't compare.
Message: Posted by: Kune (Apr 17, 2013 11:25AM)
Sounds like what the original had - I thought I read some where that the new one would have more settings, but I must be mistaken.
I see they say this on Penguin Magic: "The new model is 20% more powerful, and is still adjustable"
Message: Posted by: obeytheeye (Apr 17, 2013 11:35AM)
Hmm.. Seems the plus is for a new dvd and improved build. Maybe he's added the setup that someone else came up with involving a thumb tack on the sole. I remember seeing Mesika state that would void the warranty somewhere. Maybe it won't burn through batteries as fast.

I'd like to hear from someone that actually owns both. I am suspicious that Mesika has not come on and clarified this. That is fishy. I've seen many creators come on the Café and answer questions, is there something to hide? Why not simply come on the Café and answer the simple question of why this is a plus. The hook up to me is the biggest negative if that's been addressed then some that bought the first unit might buy the plus.
Message: Posted by: king2262 (Apr 17, 2013 02:13PM)
So its the same set up the same features nothing different other than the so called extra 20% and anti rust housing (not that it's been a problem with my ET )
I still use my ET every now and then and I still love it and it always gets great reactions so I'm not just hating on a product I don't like .
When I first saw the advert for ET+ I thought great count me in but personal I feel in this case there customer service/info is terrible !!!
A few simple answers to a few simple questions was all that was asked!
Message: Posted by: Tricster6 (Apr 18, 2013 03:27PM)
Im am new to the Café so forgive me if my etiquette seams off. I currently own the first ET and have just purchased the new version. Ive never had a problem with the first ET except the setup. I wanted to see if someone could help me out with the PETS hookup. I have talked to Phillipe through email and he has provided me with the setup in a text document which is great but if I could get a couple of pictures for reference to get a visual on what each part of the PETS set up looks like would help so I know I am setting it up correctly. If some one could help me out I would be very greatful for the help. I have proof if needed that he gave me permission.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 18, 2013 04:26PM)
Ok as promised here goes...

I received this in the mail today. I actually bought shoes that I wanted to modify specifically for this effect. I always dress in casual clothes, jeans and tshirt, cause I work mostly in bars so I opred for skater type tennis shoes. the set up took several hours, but after getting everything together I have to say. IT'S AWESOME! I did not have the pink version but I have tried this standing on hardwood,carpet,concrete and linoleum and it works great.

it does exactly what is advertised and its far stronger than I anticipated. I will use this sparingly but it will really.add credence to my ability to manipulate internal energy in coin bends, IT levitations PK effects and mentalism.

It's expensive, and the set up is challwnging but I am hoping this keeps it out of the hands of some and off of you tube. My setup did not require a screw BTW and its working great. PM me and with some proof that you purchases this and I am happy to share how I did it

I an very happy with this little gem.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 18, 2013 04:59PM)
Ok as promised here goes...

I received this in the mail today. I actually bought shoes that I wanted to modify specifically for this effect. I always dress in casual clothes, jeans and tshirt, cause I work mostly in bars so I opted for skater type tennis shoes. The set up took several hours, but after getting everything together I have to say. IT'S AWESOME! I did not have the original version but I have tried this standing on hardwood, carpet, concrete and linoleum and it works great.

It does exactly what is advertised and its far stronger than I anticipated. I will use this sparingly but it will really add credence to my ability to manipulate internal energy in coin bends, IT levitations, PK effects and mentalism.

It's expensive, and the set up is challenging but I am hoping this keeps it out of the hands of some and off of you tube. My setup did not require a screw BTW and its working great. PM me and with some proof that you purchased this and I am happy to share how I did it.

I am very happy with this little gem, and I reccomend it but really due to expense and set up requirements it's probably only worth it for working pros.

That's my .02
Message: Posted by: paisa23 (Apr 18, 2013 05:17PM)
YEah Dannicus your input is great but being an owner of the closet that this effects has lived in for years ima need to wait and see what the big difference in hook is here.... But what you say sounds promising.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 18, 2013 05:55PM)
I have it completed with the Professional set up and tomorrow morning will try it out. It works perfectly with the Pro set up.

Pure Smoke was about $150 and hobbyists got that. ET+ is only $50 more ( and it WORKS ) so I don't think it will be just limited to working professionals. You can use sneakers/sport shoes, so the dress wear isn't an issue.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 18, 2013 06:12PM)
I did not own the first, so I can't compare. I have watched the DVD and have read the written instructions. I have had a temporary set up involving some superglue type stuff which works for a short while as I'm currently brainstorming different ways of setting this up.

So far, I'm very impressed, it is exactly as advertised and gets the reactions you require. It as Dannicus says - a little gem.

Even with this temporary set up, it works. I have built it around routines I already use to frame a moment, like omni deck, spoon bending, haunted deck, during an ambitious card routine as well as, general mind reading using the fishing technique with the Shadow Stack. The Short card force seems fair to the laymen with that stack too.

See, already people are slating it, but I've already got my money's worth out of it and I haven't even set it up properly. I love this thing I really do. I'd recommend it to anyone with some imagination and paicence (I hate that word)

Still brainstorming, ideas are coming out my ear holes.

I'm open to share, with proof that you own one, just pm me.

Loving this secret!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 18, 2013 06:47PM)
ET+ would be PERFECT with Jon Allen's GHOST from his Connection dvd set!
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 18, 2013 07:02PM)
Just a quick suggestion, I found this today. Remember to turn it ON, I didn't, just had a customer prodding me in the head while I was telling him to concentrate while I was secretly adjusting my position, then I realised. Something that's cool about it is you can easily style it out if it fails and just act like you received what they were 'sending you' that's still a strong effect right there. His reaction proved that because I used the short card force and then put the deck down and didn't touch the deck again, so there was no way I could possibly know his card. Slowly realising that although, flashy cuts and flourishes look good, the old saying 'less is more' is quite true when it comes to magic.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 18, 2013 09:35PM)
I'll be performing this as part of my effects tonight to see just what it adds.

I suspect it will be considerable. Again I work at bars I think to sell the fact that it is internal energy that makes the coins bend and objects move I will wave my hand over some tobacco on a table out in the smoking section. Lol that outta do it

I will try to remember to turn it on. After 25 years of performing professionally I could totally see myself making that mistake.

To zombies point I am not saying that hobbyists should not get this just that you will have to do actual clothing (shoes) modifications to make this work well and please please please don't just use this to go around shocking people. Use it to make another effect you do even stronger and more magical.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 18, 2013 09:39PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:35, Dannicus wrote:
please please please don't just use this to go around shocking people. Use it to make another effect you do even stronger and more magical.
[/quote]

YES. Thanks for saying that. I think this enhances already strong magic and takes it to a higher level. PLEASE think of it that way.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 18, 2013 09:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 20:02, MrSlogan89 wrote:
Just a quick suggestion, I found this today. Remember to turn it ON, I didn't, just had a customer prodding me in the head while I was telling him to concentrate while I was secretly adjusting my position, then I realised. Something that's cool about it is you can easily style it out if it fails and just act like you received what they were 'sending you' that's still a strong effect right there. His reaction proved that because I used the short card force and then put the deck down and didn't touch the deck again, so there was no way I could possibly know his card. Slowly realising that although, flashy cuts and flourishes look good, the old saying 'less is more' is quite true when it comes to magic.
[/quote]

I just had to laugh at the image of a spectator repeatedly pokin you in the forehead while you shuffle your feet around. Yep that could totally happen to me. I'd have a hard time not breaking into laughter. You could always say something like "well that didn't work...try poking me in the eye" lol.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 18, 2013 09:59PM)
How large is the unit and how easy is it to wear.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 18, 2013 11:59PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-18 22:59, takeachance wrote:
How large is the unit and how easy is it to wear.
[/quote]

About 6x2 and about 3/4 inches thick. it is not heavy and not in your way at all..I hardly know it's there.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 19, 2013 01:59AM)
Mine arrived today and it is much stronger than the original. Same hookup but the temporary hookup was shocking the crap out of me on the second floor of my house. I had it on low setting. The first time, I was incredibly stupid. I turned it on and had it laying on the table, brought the magnet close to the reed switch and POW! There was an actual arc. Made my fingernail go numb. The second time, I was the god of water control and accidentally touched the water! POW! This is on low. The metal hook part is also reinforced. Seems very sturdy.

The routines and ideas are great. The invisible deck idea is killer. I will try that when I hit the streets!
I love this thing.
James
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Apr 19, 2013 02:03AM)
I have been playing with this the last day and have it working no problem at all.

The set up was quite easy to do for me it took last than 5 minutes to do the onetime work required. If you are not handy then it's not hard to get it done by someone for you.

I was surprised how strong the shock is it really does give a nice kick.

I never saw or had the first version but this does what it says on the tin, well it's a box and it has nothing written on it but the name but you know what I mean.

We have a good price with free delivery in the UK and EU here http://www.saturnmagic.co.uk/new-magic/electric-touch-plus-dvd-and-gimmick-by-yigal-mesika.html
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 19, 2013 02:32AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 02:59, Xiqual wrote:
Mine arrived today and it is much stronger than the original. Same hookup but the temporary hookup was shocking the crap out of me on the second floor of my house. I had it on low setting. The first time, I was incredibly stupid. I turned it on and had it laying on the table, brought the magnet close to the reed switch and POW! There was an actual arc. Made my fingernail go numb. The second time, I was the god of water control and accidentally touched the water! POW! This is on low. The metal hook part is also reinforced. Seems very sturdy.

The routines and ideas are great. The invisible deck idea is killer. I will try that when I hit the streets!
I love this thing.
James
[/quote]

I shocked myself in both these ways to. This sucker will curl your hair on the high setting! fun as hell though.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 19, 2013 02:54AM)
Sorry for all the novice questions, but I've never owned the original ET but I'm planning on getting the ET+. Can someone tell me what kind of batteries it uses? Is it GP23A? How many? Are batteries included in the package? How long will the batteries last? I guess it depends on how much you use the effect, but if you use it to bend water and "move" sand/salt I guess it will drain the batteries pretty quick? How about the different setups? The pro setup seems to be kind of hard? I guess it involves making some major modifications to your shoe(s)? Are some shoes easier to modify than others? I'm thinking of modifying some old sneakers for this. What are the disadvantages of the temporary setup? Will it brake more easily, is it easier to spot the gimmick? Any other disadvantages? Lots of questions, hope you can answer at least a few of them. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 19, 2013 03:05AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 03:54, djefvulen wrote:
Sorry for all the novice questions, but I've never owned the original ET but I'm planning on getting the ET+. Can someone tell me what kind of batteries it uses? Is it GP23A? How many? Are batteries included in the package? How long will the batteries last? I guess it depends on how much you use the effect, but if you use it to bend water and "move" sand/salt I guess it will drain the batteries pretty quick? How about the different setups? The pro setup seems to be kind of hard? I guess it involves making some major modifications to your shoe(s)? Are some shoes easier to modify than others? I'm thinking of modifying some old sneakers for this. What are the disadvantages of the temporary setup? Will it brake more easily, is it easier to spot the gimmick? Any other disadvantages? Lots of questions, hope you can answer at least a few of them. Thanks!
[/quote]

I'll try to answer some.

Temp setup: this is meant just to try it out in your home. Not for leaving the home. So, out of the box, you can see what it does.

Comes with 4 batteries. Duracell or Energizer 12V, 23A's. FAQ page says they're good for 200 performances ( with just the touching ). Not sure about the water and other effects.

Pro set up is easy. Just a small modification is needed. Best to go to a shoe maker and have it done right. The shoes can still be worn without the unit and no one ( or you ) will notice.

Sport shoes/sneakers are easier to do.

Hope that helps.



4 bat
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 19, 2013 04:43AM)
We magicians! Just too impatient. I think touching the water was the worst. Super hard shock!

I have an idea for tomorrow. I am going to use my pocket ouija impression board and get a name of a famous dead person, peek it, then ask the participant to channel the power of that person. Do some breathing, be really serious. Have them touch my head but tell them to leave their finger there, keep in contact. As soon as they touch me and the shock goes off, I will go stiff and make my eyes go up into my head, then fall down on the ground like I passed out. When I get up I'll reveal the name!! Should be good for a huge reaction. LOL!
James

[quote]
On 2013-04-19 03:32, Dannicus wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 02:59, Xiqual wrote:
Mine arrived today and it is much stronger than the original. Same hookup but the temporary hookup was shocking the crap out of me on the second floor of my house. I had it on low setting. The first time, I was incredibly stupid. I turned it on and had it laying on the table, brought the magnet close to the reed switch and POW! There was an actual arc. Made my fingernail go numb. The second time, I was the god of water control and accidentally touched the water! POW! This is on low. The metal hook part is also reinforced. Seems very sturdy.

The routines and ideas are great. The invisible deck idea is killer. I will try that when I hit the streets!
I love this thing.
James
[/quote]

I shocked myself in both these ways to. This sucker will curl your hair on the high setting! fun as hell though.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 19, 2013 05:49AM)
Many thanks Dannicus for answering my question and all the others keeping us informed if this is for us. Sounding very tempting.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 19, 2013 05:52AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 04:05, Zombie Magic wrote:
I'll try to answer some.

Temp setup: this is meant just to try it out in your home. Not for leaving the home. So, out of the box, you can see what it does.

Comes with 4 batteries. Duracell or Energizer 12V, 23A's. FAQ page says they're good for 200 performances ( with just the touching ). Not sure about the water and other effects.

Pro set up is easy. Just a small modification is needed. Best to go to a shoe maker and have it done right. The shoes can still be worn without the unit and no one ( or you ) will notice.

Sport shoes/sneakers are easier to do.

Hope that helps.



4 bat
[/quote]
Thank you, very helpful! Another question, if you activate the switch and charge your body, will the body keep the charge for a while? What I mean is, can you charge yourself (do the "secret move") in advance and then deliver the "zap" without the gimmick being in an "active state"?
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 06:37AM)
[/quote]
Thank you, very helpful! Another question, if you activate the switch and charge your body, will the body keep the charge for a while? What I mean is, can you charge yourself (do the "secret move") in advance and then deliver the "zap" without the gimmick being in an "active state"?
[/quote]

Although I have experienced a tiney shock after deactivating the device, I wouldn't bank on that happening, you're earthed so when it's deactivated all your static just goes to the floor. But as I said I have received a shock off the tap when I've gone to turn it off even though I've deactivated it but I was standing on pauceline (I don't know if that makes a difference).
Message: Posted by: obeytheeye (Apr 19, 2013 06:39AM)
So far unless I missed something no one explained the difference between the original (which I own) and the plus other than harder shocks. Is there any other reason to get it other than more powerful shocks?
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 06:44AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 07:39, obeytheeye wrote:
So far unless I missed something no one explained the difference between the original (which I own) and the plus other than harder shocks. Is there any other reason to get it other than more powerful shocks?
[/quote]

It is more powerful, magnet is longer stronger, the housing is coated in non corrosive coating. And the device in general has technology improvements to make it more Durable and so it lasts longer.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 06:57AM)
Personally I had to get this new one because I couldn't get hold of the first one, and from what I've heard if I owned the first one I'd be really annoyed if I had just paid the amount I have for the new one. There isn't much different, I think a lot of the main differences are within the device its self. Now although people will be slating him for this, did anyone pick up on the fact that he called it the + and not 2, much like the iPhone 4, when they brought out the 4s there wasn't enough changes to warrant calling it the 5 but enough changes where made to make an 4s.

It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device. Which is why there only a number of differences.
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 07:52AM)
Maybe the way I put that (assuming people would pick up on that) was wrong. I was just merely pointing it out, maybe the people that owned the first expected more differences between the two of them, when actually the clues in the name, it is the original + a few improvements. I can't see a problem with the iPhone comparison I thought it was quite a good one to get the point I was making across.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 19, 2013 07:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 07:57, MrSlogan89 wrote:

[b]It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device.[/b]
[/quote]

I was hoping that at least the creator would have made adequate modification to the circuit design and thus got rid of the 4 X 12Volt (type 23A) batteries. The only improvement I see is that ET+ gives you a much stronger jolt.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 08:02AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 08:55, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 07:57, MrSlogan89 wrote:

[b]It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device.[/b]
[/quote]

I was hoping that at least the creator would have made adequate modification to the circuit design and thus got rid of the 4 X 12Volt (type 23A) batteries. The only improvement I see is that ET+ gives you a much stronger jolt.

:xmas:
[/quote]

With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol
Message: Posted by: obeytheeye (Apr 19, 2013 08:51AM)
[quote]
It is more powerful, magnet is longer stronger, the housing is coated in non corrosive coating. And the device in general has technology improvements to make it more Durable and so it lasts longer.[/quote]
[/quote]

Thanks, so basically if you have the first one there is no need to get the second unless you want to shock people more painfully. Hook up is the same then.
Message: Posted by: Tricster6 (Apr 19, 2013 09:13AM)
I currently own the first ET and the new ET is on the way. Ive never had a problem with the first ET except the setup. There is a lot of noise when you walk but still love the device. I have had the first ET for 4 years and never had any issues with it. I wanted to see if someone could help me out with the PETS hookup. I would like to set the new ET up this way. I have talked to Phillipe through email and he has provided me with the setup in a text document which is great but if I could get a couple of pictures for reference to get a visual on what each part of the PETS set up looks like would help so that I know I am setting it up correctly. If some one could help me out or point me in the right direction I would be very greatful for the help. I have proof for permission of the setup if needed.
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Apr 19, 2013 09:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 09:02, MrSlogan89 wrote:
[quote]

With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol
[/quote]

The batteries are pretty easy to get hold of in the UK. Not in local newsagents etc, but plenty of places carry them. Chances are, you may want to pick up a batch online though as it's cheaper.

Been playing with this in the magic shop here's a 6 second Vine Vid :) : https://vine.co/v/bUvWaMXllDu

Ben Williams has put together a free 33 page ebook with ideas and tips for Electric Touch +
You can download it free here: http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/04/electric-touch-magic-trick-reviews-advice.html

Hope this helps
Dominic
Message: Posted by: MrSlogan89 (Apr 19, 2013 10:15AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 10:43, Dominic Reyes wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 09:02, MrSlogan89 wrote:
[quote]

With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol
[/quote]

The batteries are pretty easy to get hold of in the UK. Not in local newsagents etc, but plenty of places carry them. Chances are, you may want to pick up a batch online though as it's cheaper.

Been playing with this in the magic shop here's a 6 second Vine Vid :) : https://vine.co/v/bUvWaMXllDu

Ben Williams has put together a free 33 page ebook with ideas and tips for Electric Touch +
You can download it free here: http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/04/electric-touch-magic-trick-reviews-advice.html

Hope this helps
Dominic
[/quote]

I I'm a regular shopper with you Merchants of Magic, but I bought it direct from Yigal and saved myself a few quid that way, was lucky though.. But it did work out alright, I read the book last night and thanked you got it too, I do recommend this book, it does top up your ideas with this device!

On subject if the batteries, do you sell them? Or is it best to go EBay for something like this?
Message: Posted by: Dominic Reyes (Apr 19, 2013 10:24AM)
Glad you enjoyed the ebook, your welcome!

We don't sell the batteries, you'd be better buying them online from a normal electrical supplier, or from a local hardware store. You can get great price breaks on them that way. Go for a decent know brand though, as there are a lot of low quality batteries floating aroud ebay. It's worth investing in a decent battery in my experience.

cheers
Dominic
Message: Posted by: MR Effecto (Apr 19, 2013 10:53AM)
I had the 1st one that came out. Let me tell you easy to do the hook up. It did what it said it did and more. I did sell it because I could not get use to the shock it also gave me when I zap someone.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 19, 2013 11:25AM)
How safe is it? I know you should probably not use it yourself or on other people if they have a pacemaker or epilepsy, but still... It doesn't take many mAs to cause arythmia to the heart. Does the circuit contains some protection against too high current? Maybe the batteries themselves are incapable of delivering dangerous current when the voltage is uptransformed? I've seen cheap chinese copies of the gimmick which claims they are protected and won't deliver more than 5 mA, but I wouldn't trust that...
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 19, 2013 11:47AM)
Its a static shock!!!!

I have yet to hear on the news anything about anyone, that has had a pacemaker fail from getting a static shock from touching a car door, or touching a door handle after sliding their shoes over the carpet.

Pacemakers and the people that wear them do not wake up every morning in total fear, that they may get a slight shock that will finish them off.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 19, 2013 12:00PM)
My Dad had a pacemaker/defibrillator for over 10 years and would get carpet shocks from Mom constantly with no problems. Shoveling snow...now that can kill you.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 19, 2013 01:17PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 12:47, rasp wrote:
Its a static shock!!!!

I have yet to hear on the news anything about anyone, that has had a pacemaker fail from getting a static shock from touching a car door, or touching a door handle after sliding their shoes over the carpet.

Pacemakers and the people that wear them do not wake up every morning in total fear, that they may get a slight shock that will finish them off.
[/quote]
Ok, I thought it used a voltage multiplier and some kind of pulse generator to generate continous high voltage, like a taser. I guess it's pretty safe then :).
Message: Posted by: jcss (Apr 19, 2013 03:12PM)
Well, I think that's something that no one has spoken yet.
It is able to light large fluorescent tubes?
I would appreciate knowing something about it.
A hug for everyone
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 19, 2013 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-19 16:12, jcss wrote:
Well, I think that's something that no one has spoken yet.
It is able to light large fluorescent tubes?
I would appreciate knowing something about it.
A hug for everyone
[/quote]
That's a good question. I guess the answer is no (I think I read somewhere it's able to light small tubes). In the demo video you can see a small tube flickering (not a constant glow).

I'm also curious if it will make a low energy light bulb glow - that would be cool. But they have the HV-circuit built in, so I'm not sure it will work?
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Apr 20, 2013 01:20AM)
It does show a small tube being lit on the DVD, I've not tried it but it does show it and therefore I assume it works.

He does it with them holding the bulb which is a nice.
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (Apr 20, 2013 05:59AM)
Hi Everybody,

I've received my ET+ today. As a owner of ET I can directly compare both now.
For the test conditions. I've used a fresh pack of duracell batteries for a good initial situation.
Floor Stone with water on it (best grounding you can get!)

I've tried the same two tests with both.
the first is moving tabacco on a table surface.
the second is touching a spoon to get a feeling for the strength of electricity. (also to compare the visibility of the spark)

For both tests I put the switch to high electricity.

I will also compare the visible workmanship of both units.

So lets start.

For my descriptions:
ET = the first Electric Touch
ET+ is certainly the new Electric Touch

When you open the package you basically get the same content as with ET.
Unit, DVD, Housing with M****t, Written Instructions on Paper and a very well made high glossy advertisment booklet for yigals products.
Yigal I can highly recommend to have the written instructions made in the same way you show your products. This is what I expect from a high quality product as well.

The unit is visually still the same, slightly longer and less wide than ET.
The mechanics (switch, LED, connector with m******c r*** s***** look still identical.
The housing looks identical. (I never had any problems with the housing of ET)

A good hint: when installing any housing have it slighty turn inwards directing to the right side (if you wear it on the left...)
It may sound cryptical but I don't want to go into the set up any further as this forum is open and searchable here.
The point is if you have it pointing directly to the backside you may slip and fall when walking on stone or metal floors.
With my suggested set-up you don't roll over from heel (housing)to toes!

The workmanship of ET+ did not blew me away but dissapointed me a bit.
The contact directly on the unit is already tarnished
(which is normal for the material) but it looks like it was never cleaned or well treated. The one of my ET still looks way better (after usage) compared to ET+!

I hoped the "L-contact" changed as other people had problems with breakage on that part in the past with ET. My unit is still in mint condiction but iam worried about it. Like mentioned in the instructions you should go for the professional set-up as fast as you can.
My shoemaker did a wonderful job with my ET housing.
I've paid 20€ back that times and it works like a charm.

If you own ET and already have its housing professionally installed, there is no need for a new installment!
Which is great as you can plug ET+ in and go out to perform.
On the other side it shouts in my face that no big improvement made here on that part. The housing of ET+ is now coated to prevent it from corrosion and make it more durable.
I never had any problems with the housing of ET and I also wear the shoes when not performing ET!

The new m***** is longer and stronger. Compared to the one of ET I think the range for activation improved not that much.
You can still use your shoes with ET installment (and its m*****).

For the tests I absolutly felt no difference between both units.
But I thought that ET works slighty better and like a charm (and as good as ET+)

ET+ supposedly should be 20% stronger but I felt no big differences here compared to ET.

For the dancing tobacco (a lovely effect!!!)
With both units the pieces jumped like frogs.
The same with ET+ so everything works as described.
But I felt that ET still works more reliable (regarding trys and re-arranging my position, standing in the water, standing on normal floor etc.) than ET+.
Both units are fully functional so no construction problems here or whatsoever on any side.

Touching the spoon. I think the ET touch was more recognizable than with ET+.
The spark is visible (great range to the object) with both units and both make a good sound.
I can tell you that ET has POWER but I did not felt any big differences here.

Hint for bending water: when you try to bend it never touch the water jet! ;)
If you do it you can really feel the power of the unit for sure.

My conclusion:

Will I keep ET+? Yes I will but as a back-up for my ET. I love the effect and the possibility to underline existing routines.
But it was not necessary to buy it as I cn see no big differences or improvements.
It does not look or feel more reliable. Neither the mechanics (visible components) nor in performance (strength, reliability).

I can give the concept of ET 10 of 10 points.
When it comes to appraise ET+ as a better and improved unit I just can give 1 of 10 points as it may dissapoint people who already own ET.
If you are pleased with ET keep using it. Compared to ET+ I see no drawbacks and also think it was a bit stronger in my tests today.

I will road test ET+ in the wild any further and will tell you about it if you like.

Sorry for my spelling and grammar as english is not my first language.

All the best and have fun with ET and ET+.

Martin
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 20, 2013 10:21AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-20 06:59, ArtIn wrote:

* I can give the concept of ET 10 of 10 points.

[b]* When it comes to appraise ET+ as a better and improved unit I just can give 1 of 10 points as it may dissapoint people who already own ET[/b].
[/quote]

Thank you for an honest review.

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 22, 2013 07:53AM)
Later this a.m. I'm helping my cousin at her crafts booth, so I'll be using the Electric Touch+ with some routine ideas I worked out with light bulbs, etc. and want to give them a go. I'll post later about it.
Message: Posted by: kieronthemighty (Apr 22, 2013 08:21AM)
Cant wait zombie mine came today just makeing the shoes up now
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 22, 2013 11:24PM)
Today, this gobsmacked people. Just using a peek and then reveal with the ET+. Not once did someone ask to see something else ( but some did ask for me to repeat it ). The static charge worked every single time. I didn't do a count, but I'd say 25-30 times over a few hours time. Any other day I would just use it once or twice. The product FAQ page says the batteries are good for about 200 uses.

I kept it simple. I had them peek a card, touch their forehead while thinking of the card and then touch mine. I tried both touching fingers and touching the forehead and prefer the later. I think it was stronger.

One tip I learned is to not do the reveal right after the touch. They were too surprised by what happened for them to even hear what I said and I had to repeat it. Do the touch, let them process it, then concentrate on the thought sent and do the reveal.

What I did not anticipate was people asking to have it done again or some of the same people coming back later and asking me to do it again. So it has a similar impact that a floating bill has. Once people see the bill float, they really aren't interested in an ace assembly. lol.

kieronthemighty, I'd be very interested hearing your experiences in your professional work.

Anyway, BIG thumbs up on this.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 23, 2013 03:11AM)
So I used this in shows this weekend.

The effect is awesome and really sells some of my PK and mental effects. Zombie is right in that this is really memorable for people and they want it repeated especially with their friends.

I did run into a few issues. It does work stronger on some flooring surfaces than others. I mounted the unit in some brand new tennis shoes. At some point in the evening I started getting repeated shocks to my ankle where the unit is mounted. I suspect that either the new shoe insoles began to break down, our my socks began getting damp with sweat causing an arc to ground. I'm going to try some gel insert insoles to see if that fixes the issue.

The effect is well worth the time to fiddle around with it to make it work reliably.... you should see what happens when I hand them back their signed bent coin and tell them to be careful because there might still be a bit of psychic charge in it. It is strong enough that I am committed to making sure I keep it in my show.

Dan
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Apr 23, 2013 04:06AM)
Has anyone bought the additional extra's package. I was wondering if it was worth it. It is only $20 and may be a cleaner alternative to mounting the unit. ????
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 23, 2013 05:32AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-23 05:06, takeachance wrote:
Has anyone bought the additional extra's package. I was wondering if it was worth it. It is only $20 and may be a cleaner alternative to mounting the unit. ????
[/quote]
I thought it just contained some extras to do the pro setup on another pair of sh**s. Then again, I don't have the ET+ yet so I'm not exactly sure what kind of equipment is needed for the modification.
Message: Posted by: piyuyu (Apr 23, 2013 08:32AM)
Anyone can enlighten me with what problems would I face in a tropical country where humidity is quite high. Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Apr 23, 2013 08:59AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-23 06:32, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-23 05:06, takeachance wrote:
Has anyone bought the additional extra's package. I was wondering if it was worth it. It is only $20 and may be a cleaner alternative to mounting the unit. ????
[/quote]
I thought it just contained some extras to do the pro setup on another pair of sh**s. Then again, I don't have the ET+ yet so I'm not exactly sure what kind of equipment is needed for the modification.
[/quote]

You are quite right the pack does not contain the main gimmick just whats needed to do another pair of shoes.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Apr 23, 2013 06:06PM)
I live in Taiwan. Yesterday it was 85% humidity. No problem shocking the crap out of myself!!
James


[quote]
On 2013-04-23 09:32, piyuyu wrote:
Anyone can enlighten me with what problems would I face in a tropical country where humidity is quite high. Thanks!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 24, 2013 04:21AM)
Which other routines do you use with ET/ET+? I'm going to order ET+ and was thinking of adding something more to my order. I'm thinking of Haunted 2, Tarantula or maybe Movemint (a bit expensive). I'm not a pro, but love magic :). Any suggestions of a "simple" routine which really works well with ET/ET+?
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Apr 24, 2013 04:58AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 05:21, djefvulen wrote:
Which other routines do you use with ET/ET+? I'm going to order ET+ and was thinking of adding something more to my order. I'm thinking of Haunted 2, Tarantula or maybe Movemint (a bit expensive). I'm not a pro, but love magic :). Any suggestions of a "simple" routine which really works well with ET/ET+?
[/quote]

Why a "simple" routine?

If you're willing to destroy clothing and walk around with expensive electronics hooked up to you just to give someone a static shock... you can do better than "simple" on the routine can't you?

If you want simple you should just drag your feet on the carpet. You will get exactly the same effect as ET :)

Here is a suggestion though for a good routine that I actually used to do with it. Sponge balls to pocket. Vanish the balls and let the spectator find them in your pocket. You zap her hand when she reaches in. She will be surprised. Ask if your balls shocked her and she will say yes.

I used to do this myself until I got a burn on my unit. If the new unit has a better finish that is a plus.


DD
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (Apr 24, 2013 07:50AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 05:58, Don Dasher wrote:
Why a "simple" routine?

If you're willing to destroy clothing and walk around with expensive electronics hooked up to you just to give someone a static shock... you can do better than "simple" on the routine can't you?

If you want simple you should just drag your feet on the carpet. You will get exactly the same effect as ET :)

Here is a suggestion though for a good routine that I actually used to do with it. Sponge balls to pocket. Vanish the balls and let the spectator find them in your pocket. You zap her hand when she reaches in. She will be surprised. Ask if your balls shocked her and she will say yes.

I used to do this myself until I got a burn on my unit. If the new unit has a better finish that is a plus.


DD
[/quote]
Simple because I don't just want to go around and give people shocks, that's not magic. Something simple to start with, I'm really eager to try it out, but using ET+ on its own seems a bit boring :). And simple because I'm not a pro, not even advanced, and the few routines I know well won't work well with the ET. I'm looking for something new to learn, maybe not simple, but not too advanced either, that works well with the ET. Maybe it's time to learn some sponge ball-magic then :).
Message: Posted by: saysold1 (Apr 24, 2013 09:09AM)
Thanks for the reviews - I personally have zero interest in this.

PK Touches seems far more magical - I hate getting shocked anyway.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Apr 24, 2013 04:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 10:09, saysold1 wrote:
Thanks for the reviews - I personally have zero interest in this.

PK Touches seems far more magical - I hate getting shocked anyway.
[/quote]

You're right about the PK Touch, much more magical.

The Funken Ring is reliable, throws a more visible spark and gets a stronger reaction overall.

If I had to weigh the reaction against the practicality of the gimmick, Funken Ring wins hands down. I'm not joking in the least. I have a good Funken Ring, it blows sparks that EVERYONE can see. And it makes a nice ZZZZZAP noise too.

If you don't believe me, you've never seen a Funken Ring used properly. It beats Electric Touch by a long shot.

And they cost about $10. I'd rather have one of these in my glove box and one in my desk than an Electric Touch wired up through my clothing.

Craig and Dave should take The Funken Ring and Electric Touch out into the field, head to head. I GUARANTEE you Funken Ring wins by a landslide.


DD
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 24, 2013 04:28PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 17:07, Don Dasher wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 10:09, saysold1 wrote:
Thanks for the reviews - I personally have zero interest in this.

PK Touches seems far more magical - I hate getting shocked anyway.
[/quote]

You're right about the PK Touch, much more magical.

The Funken Ring is reliable, throws a more visible spark and gets a stronger reaction overall.

If I had to weigh the reaction against the practicality of the gimmick, Funken Ring wins hands down. I'm not joking in the least. I have a good Funken Ring, it blows sparks that EVERYONE can see. And it makes a nice ZZZZZAP noise too.

If you don't believe me, you've never seen a Funken Ring used properly. It beats Electric Touch by a long shot.

And they cost about $10. I'd rather have one of these in my glove box and one in my desk than an Electric Touch wired up through my clothing.

Craig and Dave should take The Funken Ring and Electric Touch out into the field, head to head. I GUARANTEE you Funken Ring wins by a landslide.


DD
[/quote]


I agree with Don about the Funkenring. Top Product that gets huge Reactions. I combine it with Metal Bending Stuff
and when the Spectator touches the Bent Coin or Silverware, they will be shocked because of the Funkenring.

But I also want to mention, that ET+ and Funkenring can't be really compared. ET+ gives you much more Possibilities
and there is nothing to be ditched, sleeved or Toppitted. Clean from Start to End. Wit ET+ you can also move Tea Leaves,
Tobacco, small Paperpieces etc.

For a good Funkenring, the Original, you have to pay around 26.00 US Dollars. This (Original) Funkenring made in Germany
will last for Years and is worth every single Cent. The cheap Chines Copies will break after a Few Times.

The Original Funkenring is available here: http://www.zauberzentrale.de/shop/Comedy/Funkenring+-+Funkenregen+aus+der+Hand.html
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 24, 2013 04:28PM)
I like my Dan Sylvester's Makin' Sparks over a traditional Funkinring ( don't get the $10 cheap ones ). But that's a visual gag, where as the ET+ is a device to use for mentalism ( that's the way I've been using it). It's apples and oranges comparing it with a Funkinring.

If money is an issue and you still want to amaze people, just carry/use sponge balls/rabbits. Heba knew!
Message: Posted by: rasmus (Apr 24, 2013 04:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 17:28, Zombie Magic wrote:
I like my Dan Sylvester's Makin' Sparks over a traditional Funkinring ( don't get the $10 cheap ones ). But that's a visual gag, where as the ET+ is a device to use for mentalism ( that's the way I've been using it). It's apples and oranges comparing it with a Funkinring.

If money is an issue and you still want to amaze people, just carry/use sponge balls/rabbits. Heba knew!
[/quote]

Or just 2 Rubberbands? :)))
Message: Posted by: mndude (Apr 24, 2013 07:35PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 10:09, saysold1 wrote:
Thanks for the reviews - I personally have zero interest in this.

PK Touches seems far more magical - I hate getting shocked anyway.
[/quote]

What is PK touches?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 24, 2013 07:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 20:35, mndude wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 10:09, saysold1 wrote:
Thanks for the reviews - I personally have zero interest in this.

PK Touches seems far more magical - I hate getting shocked anyway.
[/quote]

What is PK touches?
[/quote]

Psychokinesis. Look into Psychokinetic Touches by Banachek.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (Apr 24, 2013 08:13PM)
Since we have diverted a bit form Static Charge effect (i.e. ET) to PK Touches, I will suggest one more tried and tested alternative to Static Shock. [b]This is meant for those who are uncomfortable with ET[/b].

If one makes use of the cheap Chinese version of Ultracines, you will not only be doing the various Ultracines effects but can also send/ transfer a strong sensation through your finger tip to that of the spectator’s finger. The moment your finger touches the unsuspecting spectator’s finger, he will get a reasonably strong sensation passing through his fingers and will react strongly by moving his hand away with jerk. This is a tried and tested method and I suggest one give it a try.

Enjoy! ;)

Back on topic please! :)

:xmas:
P.S. The reason I am suggesting the use of Chinese knock-off version of Ultracines is that the prop has much stronger and powerful vibes than the original Ultreacines.
Message: Posted by: Don Dasher (Apr 24, 2013 08:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-24 17:28, rasmus wrote:

For a good Funkenring, the Original, you have to pay around 26.00 US Dollars. This (Original) Funkenring made in Germany
will last for Years and is worth every single Cent. The cheap Chines Copies will break after a Few Times.

The Original Funkenring is available here: http://www.zauberzentrale.de/shop/Comedy/Funkenring+-+Funkenregen+aus+der+Hand.html
[/quote]

That's the one. I recommend it highly as well. It's far superior to the plastic versions which are junk, yes.


DD
Message: Posted by: russpie (Apr 27, 2013 04:00PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 10:14, drstevemagic wrote:
futilitarian.
[/quote]
Hardly, I'm not a negative person I just find it amusing that all it takes is a bit of marketing to re-release what is essentially the same thing which many many people had problems with the first time around. One person has already given it 1 oout of 10 on a review. My views are based on having bought it & watched the whole thing play out 6 years ago. drstevemagic can youtell me your experiences of the original? Maybe you were doing something which we were not.
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 27, 2013 08:44PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-27 17:00, russpie wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-17 10:14, drstevemagic wrote:
futilitarian.
[/quote]
Hardly, I'm not a negative person I just find it amusing that all it takes is a bit of marketing to re-release what is essentially the same thing which many many people had problems with the first time around. One person has already given it 1 oout of 10 on a review. My views are based on having bought it & watched the whole thing play out 6 years ago. drstevemagic can youtell me your experiences of the original? Maybe you were doing something which we were not.
[/quote]


There you go again!! On pages 9 & 10 of this thread there are several very positive reviews of ET+ including 2 very well respected reviewers, Zombie Magic and Xiqual as well as Dannicus. But what you choose to repeat in your post is an out of context comment from Artin where he supposedly gives it a 1 out 10 review. What he actually said was this:

"Will I keep ET+? Yes I will but as a back-up for my ET. I love the effect and the possibility to underline existing routines.
But it was not necessary to buy it as I cn see no big differences or improvements.
It does not look or feel more reliable. Neither the mechanics (visible components) nor in performance (strength, reliability).

I can give the concept of ET 10 of 10 points.
When it comes to appraise ET+ as a better and improved unit I just can give 1 of 10 points as it may dissapoint people who already own ET. "

He loves the effect( 10 of 10 ); he loves the concept and uses it successfully to augment his other routines. Granted he doesn't think ET+ is necessary for those who already own ET and his 1 of 10 is directed solely for that population.

So therefore, either you ARE a negative person and have chosen your references purposely to support your jaded views or you just have very poor reading comprehension skills.
Message: Posted by: mentalran (Apr 28, 2013 09:04AM)
Went out acouple of days ago and tried it! I was revealing names and it went just fantastic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1KZO1BFvQ
allthough its in hebrew. you can still see the reactions
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Apr 28, 2013 10:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-28 10:04, mentalran wrote:
Went out acouple of days ago and tried it! I was revealing names and it went just fantastic!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1KZO1BFvQ
allthough its in hebrew. you can still see the reactions
[/quote]

I don't have to speak Hebrew to get how talented you are. If I had your charisma, I would film videos also. You nailed what using ET+ is about.

:applause: :applause: :applause:
Message: Posted by: russpie (Apr 28, 2013 03:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-27 21:44, drstevemagic wrote:
you just have very poor reading comprehension skills.
[/quote]Correct, I chose to focus on the negative, just as you chose to sidestep my question about your experiences with ET. One thing forums are used for is to give a place to put forward opinions & experiences on effects & gimmicks which people can use to form their own idea on whether something is right for them to buy. This is quite an expensive gimmick & it seems to be something which does not justify an 'upgraded' re-release as has been commented on very well in a review. Sadly forums are also a place for some to get angry with others & try to provoke a reaction with personal assumptions & name calling which I will not get drawn into. Shall we get back on topic now? I'll ask again, can you share your experiences with ET?
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (Apr 28, 2013 05:49PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-28 16:31, russpie wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-04-27 21:44, drstevemagic wrote:
you just have very poor reading comprehension skills.
[/quote]Correct, I chose to focus on the negative, just as you chose to sidestep my question about your experiences with ET. One thing forums are used for is to give a place to put forward opinions & experiences on effects & gimmicks which people can use to form their own idea on whether something is right for them to buy. This is quite an expensive gimmick & it seems to be something which does not justify an 'upgraded' re-release as has been commented on very well in a review. Sadly forums are also a place for some to get angry with others & try to provoke a reaction with personal assumptions & name calling which I will not get drawn into. Shall we get back on topic now? I'll ask again, can you share your experiences with ET?
[/quote]

OK, so now you're quoting me out of context but guess what?
I've had an epiphany and have decided to sell my ET+ and will replace it with a case of Joy Buzzers. Thank you for opening my eyes.
Message: Posted by: mentalran (Apr 29, 2013 02:33PM)
Thank you zombie magic
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 29, 2013 03:37PM)
OK I have posted a few positive reviews for this and I have used it for several shows now and to be completely fair and honest I need to report a few issues that I have run up against.

Floors do seem to make a big difference in how the item performs. Outside on the street or concrete it really works better. Additionally I have found that if I get sweaty the unit slides down further on my leg and does not seem to make as good of contact. At one show there were electric shocks running through my ankles when I brought my heels together. Additionally, as of the last show, I could not seem to get the light to light up on the unit or get power. I figure one of two things.... Either the batteries are nearly dead (which would be unfortunate after only 1 hour of performance on a new set approxamately 4 shocks) or the switch in the heel is malfunctioning. The batteries are not too common, so it is possible that I purchased some batteries that had been sitting on the shelf a while. I will be trouble shooting today.

To combat the shocking across my ankles, I did add some rubber gel inserts to my shoes and it did seem to help but I did not get enough tries with the unit to be certain. The effect and what it adds to my mentalism and PK effects is strong enough that I will put in the necessary troubleshooting and work to try to resolve the issues. If the switch is bad already then I plan on returning the unit or trying to have it repaired. One thing is for certain - for me at least - It has to be reliable no matter how strong the effect, or I will not use it. I am still hopeful however that I can make it so.

As of now I have had it work very well on a few occasion and poorly or not at all on a couple of others. I will keep you posted with my progress. For $200 if I find out that it is not user error or batteries then I will be looking for either Penguin or Mesika to rectify a faulty unit. Not a refund but a replacement as the effect is truly remarkable.

In service to my magical brothers
Dannicus
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 29, 2013 04:05PM)
UPDATE, regarding troubleshooting.....

I checked the batteries with a battery tester and they are fully charged. Even by holding the magnet directly up to the switch and following the troubleshooting in the instructions I can barely get the lite to light up and cannot get a spark. I think I may have received a faulty unit. Next step is to contact Penguin. The problem is that I have the grounding plate firmly mounted to the bottom of my shoe with contact cement so I will not be able to return that part. I will keep you posted........
Message: Posted by: rasp (Apr 29, 2013 04:38PM)
Dannicus........ nothing unusual there, you are only experiencing the same problems myself and others had with the original ET.

If you decide you need a replacement or a refund from Mesika, only two words spring to mind.........

GOOD LUCK!!!
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 29, 2013 05:17PM)
Well,
I am hoping Penguin will take care of me since I bought it less than 2 weeks ago and it is obviously faulty. All I want is an exchange and I do a LOT of business with them so we will see. Like I said, I love the effect when it works so I am hopeful that it will all work out.
Message: Posted by: russpie (Apr 30, 2013 07:20AM)
Regarding the ankle shocks it might be worth trying to fit some pieces from a rubber insole to where your shoe meets your ankle, it should insulate & protect. If the unit is not being activated when you hold the magnet on the switch then I'd assume it's faulty. If you're still having problems after a replacement then I'd suggest asking drstevemagic.
Message: Posted by: richi (Apr 30, 2013 05:24PM)
I buy ET in the pre-order time, and I still waiting for this.
I live in Chile, so the post service is like a tourtle
Will using the Electric Touch with Sixth sense 2.5 (in my case) create a problem?
Will SS be electrocuted? The SS is rubber cover, so I think that SS is insolated, but I am not electric expert and it's a lot of money to lose.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (Apr 30, 2013 06:01PM)
Just for the record, I love Penguin. I sent them and email detailing the problem I am having and the troubleshooting steps I have taken to resolve the issue. The promptly issued a Fedex shipping label and informed me that the replacement will be arriving shortly with my return. This is only the secont time I have had to do a replacement or refund in years but I personally find that these guys have stellar customer service.

While I am bummed with the faulty unit, I am very pleased with Penguin and the excellent customer service and support they provide. I will let you all know how the replacement unit functions.

Dan
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (May 2, 2013 11:32AM)
Got my ET+ today. I read the instructions but haven't watched the DVD yet. The pro setup seems pretty simple on sneakers. I thought it would be harder. The written instructions doesn't mention anything about if it's ok to put the "plate" a little deeper into the shoe or if it has to be in line with the bottom. I guess it needs good grounding, but doesn't the shoes make very loud noises when walking (I'm thinking of using it at work where there are lots of clinker tiles). Maybe you should put a piece of metal on the other shoe too, to make the noise more... consistent... or something? Btw, does it even work on clinker tiles?

I tried the unit to see if it was working, what a spark! Honestly I'm feeling a little scared of trying it out... :)
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 2, 2013 11:43AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 12:32, djefvulen wrote:

....I tried the unit to see if it was working, what a spark! Honestly I'm feeling a little scared of trying it out... :)
[/quote]

lol. I did the test when I got it and my wife thought my laptop shorted out. But, when you hook it up, it won't do that in performance.

I'm taking mine out today to the park for our walk. I have a routine I want to try out.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 2, 2013 12:11PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 12:32, djefvulen wrote:

* Got my ET+ today.

[b]* I guess it needs good grounding, but doesn't the shoes make very loud noises when walking (I'm thinking of using it at work where there are lots of clinker tiles). Maybe you should put a piece of metal on the other shoe too, to make the noise more... consistent... or something?[/b]
[/quote]

LOL. There are other POSSIBLE better options than that. :)

[b]Though I have not given it a try[/b] but [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4b6kejIcVY][b]THIS[/b][/url] seems to be one good option. You might even get rid of cutting and modifying the heel of your shoe by simply gluing the material on both the heels thus giving a much better and foolproof grounding while your heels stays level.

Just a thought as usual. :)

Happy experimenting! ;)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 12:18PM)
Ustaad, once again, as a beginner, I learn new things from you. I had no idea what Ultracines or
PK touches were until you mentioned them.

Thankyou for your post. I am going to start thinking of you as: "Ustaad University". :)

Dannicus, Zombie and djefvulen,

Thankyou so much for present and upcoming reviews. I so hope this effect is somewhat consistent because
it lends itself to so many presentations if it is.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 2, 2013 12:20PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:18, trueinventor wrote:

I am going to start thinking of you as: "Ustaad University". :)
[/quote]

:bg:

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: Kune (May 2, 2013 12:21PM)
Out of interest, if you were to use two devices at once, would the power be doubled?
Message: Posted by: Magician Toronto (May 2, 2013 12:25PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 10:43, Exitmat wrote:
[quote]...I do not see electric as magic, I can rub my feet together and get the same effect. Smoke however, coming from no where is way more magical as a person should not just be able to produce smoke at any given notice, unless they are on fire or they have a device (couch) that is producing that smoke visibly.

JM
[/quote]
For me the whole key with the ET has always been in not being literal about the effect of the shock, but rather in being vague and suggestive about it. I don't say I'm going to shock them. Also, I don't just do it and let them define what it was either. I set up the moment kind of like Luke Jermay's Burst Bubble Suggestion, but using the ET to punctuate the moment before I continue to the moment I reveal the thought. Shocking them without first framing it, and then just standing there and giving them all the time they want to talk about it is not the best way to use this in my opinion. Set up what you want them to experience and then further define that experience before concluding the performance--so you're kind of bookending the whole thing. Even if they still say it felt like a shock, it's easy to bring it back by talking about how our brains are run by electricity and so thoughts really just ride on electric currents, etc.
[/quote]

How safe is this really? All it takes is one spectator with a pacemaker to God forbid get hurt.
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (May 2, 2013 12:26PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 12:32, djefvulen wrote:
Got my ET+ today. I read the instructions but haven't watched the DVD yet. The pro setup seems pretty simple on sneakers. I thought it would be harder. The written instructions doesn't mention anything about if it's ok to put the "plate" a little deeper into the shoe or if it has to be in line with the bottom. I guess it needs good grounding, but doesn't the shoes make very loud noises when walking (I'm thinking of using it at work where there are lots of clinker tiles). Maybe you should put a piece of metal on the other shoe too, to make the noise more... consistent... or something? Btw, does it even work on clinker tiles?

I tried the unit to see if it was working, what a spark! Honestly I'm feeling a little scared of trying it out... :)
[/quote]

My shoe does click but nobody notices. I work in noisy bars. the metal plate has to make contact with the ground. I used contact cement and did not use the screw. It works just fine.
Message: Posted by: Magician Toronto (May 2, 2013 12:30PM)
Thanks,
One more question, Is this something that is of a "heavy duty" quality? Can it be used in restaurant magic work over and over?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 2, 2013 12:32PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:11, Ustaad wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 12:32, djefvulen wrote:

* Got my ET+ today.

[b]* I guess it needs good grounding, but doesn't the shoes make very loud noises when walking (I'm thinking of using it at work where there are lots of clinker tiles). Maybe you should put a piece of metal on the other shoe too, to make the noise more... consistent... or something?[/b]
[/quote]

LOL. There are other POSSIBLE better options than that. :)

[b]Though I have not given it a try[/b] but [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4b6kejIcVY][b]THIS[/b][/url] seems to be one good option. You might even get rid of cutting and modifying the heel of your shoe by simply gluing the material on both the heels thus giving a much better and foolproof grounding while your heels stays level.

Just a thought as usual. :)

Happy experimenting! ;)

:xmas:
[/quote]

Ustaad, you're an intelligent, generous, blessing to The Café!

Zombie
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 2, 2013 12:35PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:21, Kune wrote:

Out of interest, if you were to use two devices at once, would the power be doubled?
[/quote]

Good question but, why would you like to do something which might result in an unpredictable outcome?

Remember we are playing with 'Static Electricity' (that is being generated by an electronic circuit) and not with nature's 'Static Charge'. Without understanding the working (Pros & Cons) of such circuits it can/ may cause unpredictable results (like severe burns to the body skin in contact). So my humble suggestion would be to avoid such experiments.

:xmas:
P.S.

[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:32, Zombie Magic wrote:

Ustaad, you're an intelligent, generous, blessing to The Café!
[/quote]

Zombie Magic, you make me blush. :blush:

Anyway thank you so much for the kind words.
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 12:53PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:25, Magician Toronto wrote:

How safe is this really? All it takes is one spectator with a pacemaker to God forbid get hurt.
[/quote]

Hi Toronto! Sir, I was a PMEL (Precision Measurement Electronics Lab) technician in the Air Force.
We were taught that it only takes 50 milli-amps of current passing through a heart to cause fluctuation or even stop a heart.

In theory, a 9 volt battery could do that.

However, for any electric current to hurt you it has to have a complete flow path from the point of contact to a "ground" on another point of your body: the "ground" being something that would provide a path for the electric current to actually flow into the "ground" or the earth.

We, when working on electrical gear off Aircraft, always had to wear a copper bracelet around the wrist of the hand we would touch the instrument with. The copper bracelit was attached by a metallic cord to a "lightning rod" of sorts that took the current into the dirt outside the building eventually.

That way, if we touched an electrically "HOT" item by accident with our hand that had the copper bracelet, the current would flow to the copper bracelet rather than throughout the rest of our body and through our heart potentially stopping it.

It was still possible to lose a hand by electrocuting the Frito Lays out of it, but your heart was safe.

I once fell asleep with my head dropping and touching an aircraft piece of equipment that had a 10,000 volt supply turned on.

I woke up! :) But really wasn't hurt because the current never passed through my body...it dissipated at the point of contact mostly sort of like when you rub your socks on carpet to give your brother the electric static shock.

Contact with high voltage can burn your skin or worse at the point of contact but it is only current flow through your body that can REALLY harm you badly. It sounds crazy but you can touch a 10,000 volt power supply like I did and just get a huge shock at the point of contact...no harm done, if you wear rubber soles or have been otherwise protected against current flow from one side of your body to the other.

OR you can touch a wire with 20 amps of current flow powered by a 12 volt power source (car battery) and lose your life if your shoes or feet readily transfer current to the ground or surface you are standing on.

People have been struck by lightning which has incredible voltage, with little damage, because God just watched over them at that moment and there was no immidiate flow path to "ground" through their heart or brain. One bald man began to grow hair again!

ON the other hand, I once was hanging aluminum rain gutters in a thunderstorm (I am the poster boy for stupid) and lightning struck a neighbors yard...I felt a strong charge come through the gutters because some of the electricity had traveled across the lawn and up the downspout...I got "frazzled"...that explains a lot about me now :)

If someone with a heart pacer was wearing anything metal on the soles of his shoes, or was standing in water, or even possibly touched you "fully charged" with his right hand while wearing a metallic bracelet on his left hand it is, in theory I think, possible for current to pass through his heart.

This is what I learned but I've never heard of it happening with only small amounts of static charge. I am guessing the inventors of these neat devices have probably already had all of that looked at and feel safe in offering it to us...but don't know for sure.

Ustaad's advice should be considered carefully:

"Remember we are playing with 'Static Electricity' (that is being generated by an electronic circuit) and not with nature's 'Static Charge'. Without understanding the working (Pros & Cons) of such circuits it can/ may cause unpredictable results (like severe burns to the body skin in contact). So my humble suggestion would be to avoid such experiments."

Earlier on this thread I had stated that I hope the device proves consistent because it lends itself to so many presentations.

But after reading Ustadd's cautionary note, I have to rethink that.

If the device is rated as "safe" by UL labs or some other entity it's probably ok, but I don't know the story there.

Sorry this was so long, hope it helped.
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 2, 2013 01:14PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 13:53, trueinventor wrote:

Sorry this was so long, hope it helped.
[/quote]

Thank you for the educative post. :)

. . . and while on the topic of electrocution, [url=http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/search_post.php?topic=4270&forum=37&post=40077][b]HERE[/b][/url] is a little more from me! ;) :)

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 02:15PM)
Thankyou Ustaad for that link.

Not surprisingly, you stated it so much simpler and better than me. :(

A man who truly understands his subject can break it down to a level most anyone
can understand.

You are such a treasure for the Café.

your freind,
Alex
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 02:17PM)
USTAAD...YAY! :)

My 100th post was to you! Somehow, that's how it should be:

I have learned SO much from you and Zombie and others and each of
you have treated me as a friend.

I am honored to be here with you at the Café. :)

your friend,
Alex
Message: Posted by: Ustaad (May 2, 2013 02:30PM)
Hi Alex,

Congratulations on your crossing the 100 post mark. I can foresee that you will be a great asset to the Magic Café and to our community.

One never ceases to learn and we continue to learn by mutually sharing our experience and knowledge. What better place one can have than THE Café?! :)

Thank you for the kind words.

With best regards,

Narendra

:xmas:
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 02:38PM)
Thank you so much Narenda. :)
Message: Posted by: richi (May 2, 2013 03:37PM)
[quote]
On 2013-04-30 18:24, richi wrote:
I buy ET in the pre-order time, and I still waiting for this.
I live in Chile, so the post service is like a tourtle
Will using the Electric Touch with Sixth sense 2.5 (in my case) create a problem?
Will SS be electrocuted? The SS is rubber cover, so I think that SS is insolated, but I am not electric expert and it's a lot of money to lose.
[/quote]

Please can anyone answer my question? Only if anyone know the answer of course...
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 04:06PM)
Hi richi,

If all of the exposed parts of SS are rubber or plastic or wood there will be no danger of short circuiting (Burning up) any SS components.

If ANY of the exposed parts of SS are metal but are over-laying a plastic or rubber base and do not
connect in any way with any component inside "SS". then your "SS" will still be safe.

IF any metal part of any kind on the outside of "SS" extends inward into the unit then your "SS'
will probably be ruined.

If any part of "SS" would allow sweat from your hand or any type of moisture to get inside "SS" then the
moisture path could be a path into the inside of your "SS" that an electric static shock would follow and
ruin the "SS".

I don't know SS 2.5 very well, well really I don't know it at all but those rules will hold true for
just about any device.

your friend,
Alex
Message: Posted by: ArtIn (May 2, 2013 04:18PM)
Ustaad & trueinventor your comments are most appreciated!
I also can point out the following:

Be careful when testing the unit for functionality!
I was acting stupid when holding the device in my left hand (without touching the metal plate!) and the L piece with a magnet in my right hand...
I don't have to explain what happened... This reminded me to the day I was bending a water stream with ET..and I touched the water.... big fault...

This also felt like a extreme shock. be careful guys.
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 04:50PM)
Thankyou ArtIn,

so sorry that happened to you but thanks for warning us.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 2, 2013 06:01PM)
I just spent some time testing my Electric Touch + and I’ll share my thoughts.

To be clear, I did own the original, and I really enjoyed its use. After a few years with it, I was actually planning on replacing it because despite its good performance, it seemed to be losing power, However, I heard that the Electric Touch + was in the works, so I decided to wait for its release.

I am glad I did. Since I had the original I can compare the two pretty well. According to his website, the Electric Touch + is “completely silent.” I had heard people were having noise problems, but my original Electric Touch was also silent, so I suppose this wouldn’t technically count as an “improvement” in my case.

It is also supposed to be “more durable and longer-lasting.” This is definitely true since the housing of the magnet has anti-corrosion coating. I didn’t do anything drastic like grinding it against metal, but we have bare floors here in Taiwan and judging from the feel and how it handled rough concrete outside, it is definitely more durable.

The ad claims that it is “easier to operate” and “more reliable.” This is also correct. Before I was unable to use my Electric Touch + with sneakers very well, kind of a hit and miss, now I can utilize it with sneakers without any problems. As for reliability, opened up the ET+ to see the inside and saw that it was a LOT more insulated, so I could count on the device to deliver EVERY time.

The hook-up however, is the same. I don’t understand why people are complaining about the permanent set up. I just used an old pair of sneakers, cut the sole with a pair of tin snips and glued the plate and the sole back on. Works great, took ten minutes. Don’t get me wrong, the DVD teaches you how to do everything in the trailer, but the possibilities are really endless. Ben’s Electric Touch + guide shows how versatile the Electric Touch + is.

Overall, I’m really happy with my purchase. I spent the same amount of money that I did for the original Electric Touch and got something that is more reliable, and sure to last even longer than the old one.
James
ps
Artin, I also did the same thing. On table, brought the magnet close to the "L" and POW! Huge arc.
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 06:23PM)
Hi Xiqual,

Thankyou so much for letting us know your experiences with ET. Pretty thorough review!

If it does as well for others as it has for you it seems like a great addition to
someone's "Magic Library" in that it offers a different kind of magic than is
normally performed.

Still, have you ever had an experience that made you think it could possibly pose a
danger to someone or to yourself? Does an instructional pamphlet, or other writing coming with the
device, mention anything about ET being "Tested and Safe"?

America can sometimes be a "sue-happy" nation and it sometimes makes you afraid to
try something even if it is harmless:

"YES your honor, the man threw lightning bolts at me and my beautiful Chow Chow "Puddin" ran off screaming and barking into the night and hasn't been seen since! This dreadful man should be thrashed about the ears and forced to give me his house, which I will convert into a home for run-a-way Chow Chows." :)

On the other had, I know if I am "over-cautious" I wouldn't
even step outside the door because something could ALWAYS go wrong that you never saw coming.

Would you feel comfortable giving ET an "Its safe to use" rating maybe on a 1-10 scale, 10 being
extremely safe?

Might be unfair to ask that of you. If I were asked that I would say: "Well, in MY hands I would
rate it an _____ but I don't know if I could rate it for you".

In any case, thanks again for a well-done! review. :)
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 2, 2013 07:05PM)
Hi TI,
No, it is really not like that. My kids touch me on purpose to shock me [you get 50% of the shock when wearing the ET+] and they think it is funny. My daughter grabs the wall first so she is grounded [here in Taiwan our houses have steel rebar in the concrete walls] and it really ups the ante. I really think it is the sound that scares the most. It is no more painful than a static shock. I do the ID routine and ask them to touch my forehead. When it pops, I say "Wow, you are really focused, did you just shock me?" The look on their face is priceless. Almost like empowerment.

[quote]
On 2013-05-02 19:23, trueinventor wrote:
Hi Xiqual,

Thankyou so much for letting us know your experiences with ET. Pretty thorough review!

If it does as well for others as it has for you it seems like a great addition to
someone's "Magic Library" in that it offers a different kind of magic than is
normally performed.

Still, have you ever had an experience that made you think it could possibly pose a
danger to someone or to yourself? Does an instructional pamphlet, or other writing coming with the
device, mention anything about ET being "Tested and Safe"?

America can sometimes be a "sue-happy" nation and it sometimes makes you afraid to
try something even if it is harmless:

"YES your honor, the man threw lightning bolts at me and my beautiful Chow Chow "Puddin" ran off screaming and barking into the night and hasn't been seen since! This dreadful man should be thrashed about the ears and forced to give me his house, which I will convert into a home for run-a-way Chow Chows." :)

On the other had, I know if I am "over-cautious" I wouldn't
even step outside the door because something could ALWAYS go wrong that you never saw coming.

Would you feel comfortable giving ET an "Its safe to use" rating maybe on a 1-10 scale, 10 being
extremely safe?

Might be unfair to ask that of you. If I were asked that I would say: "Well, in MY hands I would
rate it an _____ but I don't know if I could rate it for you".

In any case, thanks again for a well-done! review. :)
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 2, 2013 07:38PM)
Xiqual, thank you so so much :)

Anytime a Dad shares a story about his children it deeply touches my heart,
and probably many hearts here.

I am truly grateful that you've allowed me to have a part of that memory of you with your children.

I was never able to raise my first two children: Matthew and Daniel because I was so far from God and wasn't able to raise Andrea or Steven very well, my third child and fourth child, for the same reason.

YOu are such a great Father.

God bless you and thank you again so very very much for sharing that with all of us.

I totally forgot about the magic now. WOW..what a great great moment of life you gave us.

I completely understand why you like ET. Yes, Priceless.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 2, 2013 07:45PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 20:05, Xiqual wrote:
I do the ID routine and ask them to touch my forehead. When it pops, I say "Wow, you are really focused, did you just shock me?" The look on their face is priceless. Almost like empowerment.


[/quote]

INCREDIBLE! Turning the tables and asking if they shocked you is such clever verbiage.

Xiqual, may I use that?
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 2, 2013 09:46PM)
The wonderful thing about kids TI, it's never too late.
Thanks for your kind comments,
BTW, I have four kids too.

Zombie asked;
"INCREDIBLE! Turning the tables and asking if they shocked you is such clever verbiage.

Xiqual, may I use that?"

Hell no! lol jus pickin, of course my man! Glad you like the idea.
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-02 20:38, trueinventor wrote:
Xiqual, thank you so so much :)

Anytime a Dad shares a story about his children it deeply touches my heart,
and probably many hearts here.

I am truly grateful that you've allowed me to have a part of that memory of you with your children.

I was never able to raise my first two children: Matthew and Daniel because I was so far from God and wasn't able to raise Andrea or Steven very well, my third child and fourth child, for the same reason.

YOu are such a great Father.

God bless you and thank you again so very very much for sharing that with all of us.

I totally forgot about the magic now. WOW..what a great great moment of life you gave us.

I completely understand why you like ET. Yes, Priceless.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (May 3, 2013 12:44AM)
Has anyone tried lighting up light bulbs with this? I have this idea that I'll be trying out once I get my ET+ next week:

First prepare a card with LEDs sticking out of it such that the LEDs form a heart shape, with the LEDs linked in a series circuit. Following that, I intend to bring my girlfriend to a dark room where the card is, hold her hand, turn on ET+, and have both of us touch the ends of the circuit with our free hands to light up the LEDs. Wonder if that'll work. :)

Nigel Lew
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 3, 2013 02:19AM)
Only works on fluorescent bulbs, BUT you can shock her in the dark and it will make a good spark!
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-03 01:44, Xaerius wrote:
Has anyone tried lighting up light bulbs with this? I have this idea that I'll be trying out once I get my ET+ next week:

First prepare a card with LEDs sticking out of it such that the LEDs form a heart shape, with the LEDs linked in a series circuit. Following that, I intend to bring my girlfriend to a dark room where the card is, hold her hand, turn on ET+, and have both of us touch the ends of the circuit with our free hands to light up the LEDs. Wonder if that'll work. :)

Nigel Lew
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (May 3, 2013 03:28AM)
Ahh right, I see. Thanks for sharing! I just read up on static electricity, and found out that it's essential high voltage with low-to-no current, which makes ET+ ideal for lighting up fluorescent bulbs (which runs on high voltage) like you mentioned.

I was intending on using ET+ to do something romantic for her (not solely getting ET+ for that of course!). Maybe I could have a hidden message written on the fluorescent bulb. :)

Nigel Lew

[quote]
On 2013-05-03 03:19, Xiqual wrote:
Only works on fluorescent bulbs, BUT you can shock her in the dark and it will make a good spark!
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-03 01:44, Xaerius wrote:
Has anyone tried lighting up light bulbs with this? I have this idea that I'll be trying out once I get my ET+ next week:

First prepare a card with LEDs sticking out of it such that the LEDs form a heart shape, with the LEDs linked in a series circuit. Following that, I intend to bring my girlfriend to a dark room where the card is, hold her hand, turn on ET+, and have both of us touch the ends of the circuit with our free hands to light up the LEDs. Wonder if that'll work. :)

Nigel Lew
[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 3, 2013 04:35AM)
Hey, that would be cool. Use UV ink and write on the bulb, go into the dark, light it up, give her a little shock from your heart,
then use a UV flashlight and reveal the writing.
James



[quote]
On 2013-05-03 04:28, Xaerius wrote:
Ahh right, I see. Thanks for sharing! I just read up on static electricity, and found out that it's essential high voltage with low-to-no current, which makes ET+ ideal for lighting up fluorescent bulbs (which runs on high voltage) like you mentioned.

I was intending on using ET+ to do something romantic for her (not solely getting ET+ for that of course!). Maybe I could have a hidden message written on the fluorescent bulb. :)

Nigel Lew

[quote]
On 2013-05-03 03:19, Xiqual wrote:
Only works on fluorescent bulbs, BUT you can shock her in the dark and it will make a good spark!
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-03 01:44, Xaerius wrote:
Has anyone tried lighting up light bulbs with this? I have this idea that I'll be trying out once I get my ET+ next week:

First prepare a card with LEDs sticking out of it such that the LEDs form a heart shape, with the LEDs linked in a series circuit. Following that, I intend to bring my girlfriend to a dark room where the card is, hold her hand, turn on ET+, and have both of us touch the ends of the circuit with our free hands to light up the LEDs. Wonder if that'll work. :)

Nigel Lew
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (May 3, 2013 07:34AM)
That's a sweet idea James. Thanks! :)

Nigel Lew

[quote]
On 2013-05-03 05:35, Xiqual wrote:
Hey, that would be cool. Use UV ink and write on the bulb, go into the dark, light it up, give her a little shock from your heart,
then use a UV flashlight and reveal the writing.
James



[quote]
On 2013-05-03 04:28, Xaerius wrote:
Ahh right, I see. Thanks for sharing! I just read up on static electricity, and found out that it's essential high voltage with low-to-no current, which makes ET+ ideal for lighting up fluorescent bulbs (which runs on high voltage) like you mentioned.

I was intending on using ET+ to do something romantic for her (not solely getting ET+ for that of course!). Maybe I could have a hidden message written on the fluorescent bulb. :)

Nigel Lew

[quote]
On 2013-05-03 03:19, Xiqual wrote:
Only works on fluorescent bulbs, BUT you can shock her in the dark and it will make a good spark!
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-03 01:44, Xaerius wrote:
Has anyone tried lighting up light bulbs with this? I have this idea that I'll be trying out once I get my ET+ next week:

First prepare a card with LEDs sticking out of it such that the LEDs form a heart shape, with the LEDs linked in a series circuit. Following that, I intend to bring my girlfriend to a dark room where the card is, hold her hand, turn on ET+, and have both of us touch the ends of the circuit with our free hands to light up the LEDs. Wonder if that'll work. :)

Nigel Lew
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (May 3, 2013 01:24PM)
Hey guys I thought I'd chime in here. The shock from this reminds me if one of those gag pens or books I bought as a kid. Or maybe like I strong static shock

I have a background I nursing both in ICU and CCU and I seriously doubt that this can do any real damage. If pacemakers were that sensitive then static electricity would be a constant problem. I think the surprise would be more likely to cause issues than the electricity itself. And we are in the surprise business so.....
Message: Posted by: weepinwil (May 4, 2013 06:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-03 04:28, Xaerius wrote:
Ahh right, I see. Thanks for sharing! I just read up on static electricity, and found out that it's essential high voltage with low-to-no current, which makes ET+ ideal for lighting up fluorescent bulbs (which runs on high voltage) like you mentioned.

Nigel Lew

That is right, static electricity is high voltage and low current, that is why I think electric touch is safe to use for anyone who has ever had a static shock. (I wouldn't suggest touching someone's pacemaker or auto-defib unit though just to be on safe side.) High voltage doesn't kill or hurt people, it is the amperage that does. Electric chairs were as low as 2000 volts but high amperage. The static charge will seldom penetrate the top layer of skin and will take the least path of resistance, which is to skirt across the moisture on the skin. However, static electricity can harm sensitive electrical components, which are in most everything today.
Message: Posted by: trueinventor (May 6, 2013 11:10PM)
Hi guys,

Overall I think Yigal's device is probably safe but, I thought I should post this link which does
describe certain instances or circumstances when a static charge could be...worrisome.

The author teaches how static charge is measured, how powerful it has to be to cause harm, how much
power exists in common static-experiences like the kind that may occur when you get out of your car on a winter day or rub your socks or shoes on carpet...

After reading the article I thought a good question to ask might be:
what is the "Millijule" rating of Yigal's device?

Hope the article is helpful. It either taught me things I didn't know
or reminded me of what I once knew...gettin kind of old now so I can't
always remember what I forgot :)

Here is the link, hope it is helpful: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3044/can-static-electricity-kill-you
Message: Posted by: Dannicus (May 6, 2013 11:37PM)
So my replacement unit came today. As I posted earlier I suspect there was a faulty magnetic switch in my first one.

When the replacement unit came I had the same issue I couldn't get the magnetic switch to activate. After much troubleshooting and 2 battery changes I was about ready to send it back again when in a last ditch effort I tried one last time by waving the magnet over the switch and I got a faint light in the LED. After several minutes turning it off and on it appears to be working correctly now.

Still I'm concerned because I don't want this magnetic switch to freeze up like the last unit that I had.

Penguin took very good care of me in sending the first replacement but if this one doesn't work I think I'm going to ask for a refund.

I really really really, I love this effect as it adds so much to my mentalism routines. I really hope that it continues to function well this time.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (May 7, 2013 03:18AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 00:10, trueinventor wrote:
Hi guys,

Overall I think Yigal's device is probably safe but, I thought I should post this link which does
describe certain instances or circumstances when a static charge could be...worrisome.

The author teaches how static charge is measured, how powerful it has to be to cause harm, how much
power exists in common static-experiences like the kind that may occur when you get out of your car on a winter day or rub your socks or shoes on carpet...

After reading the article I thought a good question to ask might be:
what is the "Millijule" rating of Yigal's device?

Hope the article is helpful. It either taught me things I didn't know
or reminded me of what I once knew...gettin kind of old now so I can't
always remember what I forgot :)

Here is the link, hope it is helpful: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3044/can-static-electricity-kill-youh zap
[/quote]
Long time since I went to school, but maybe you can estimate the energy of each zap like this:

I looked up the specs for the GP23A-battery. The capacity seems to be around 55 mAh (until it reaches half it's voltage). In ET+ there are four of these in parallel(?), which means a total capacity of 220 mAh. 220 mAh equals to 2.64 Wh, which would be equal to 2.64*60 Ws (also known as Joule) = 158,4 J. That's the total amount of energy the batteries could deliver. I think I read fresh batteries in the ET+ is good for about 200 zaps, which means each zap contains about 0.8 J, or 800 mJ.

Edit: And since you recieve 50%, I guess it's half of that, 400 mJ.

I don't know if my thinking/calculations are correct at all. :)
Message: Posted by: richi (May 7, 2013 09:16AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 04:18, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 00:10, trueinventor wrote:
Hi guys,

Overall I think Yigal's device is probably safe but, I thought I should post this link which does
describe certain instances or circumstances when a static charge could be...worrisome.

The author teaches how static charge is measured, how powerful it has to be to cause harm, how much
power exists in common static-experiences like the kind that may occur when you get out of your car on a winter day or rub your socks or shoes on carpet...

After reading the article I thought a good question to ask might be:
what is the "Millijule" rating of Yigal's device?

Hope the article is helpful. It either taught me things I didn't know
or reminded me of what I once knew...gettin kind of old now so I can't
always remember what I forgot :)

Here is the link, hope it is helpful: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3044/can-static-electricity-kill-youh zap
[/quote]
Long time since I went to school, but maybe you can estimate the energy of each zap like this:

I looked up the specs for the GP23A-battery. The capacity seems to be around 55 mAh (until it reaches half it's voltage). In ET+ there are four of these in parallel(?), which means a total capacity of 220 mAh. 220 mAh equals to 2.64 Wh, which would be equal to 2.64*60 Ws (also known as Joule) = 158,4 J. That's the total amount of energy the batteries could deliver. I think I read fresh batteries in the ET+ is good for about 200 zaps, which means each zap contains about 0.8 J, or 800 mJ.

Edit: And since you recieve 50%, I guess it's half of that, 400 mJ.

I don't know if my thinking/calculations are correct at all. :)
[/quote]

You thinking/calculations are not bad, but you forget that you can amplify the electricity with a transistor. Maybe ET+ had electronic parts like the transistor so whe don't make a calc with only the imput value of the battery.

I don't have my ET+, it's on the way, whe arrive I test the electricity output (V,I and body R). I'm engineer, so I'dont have excuse to calc electricity.

It is frustrating to me to mean more, but being limited by my poor English.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (May 7, 2013 10:27AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 10:16, richi wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 04:18, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 00:10, trueinventor wrote:
Hi guys,

Overall I think Yigal's device is probably safe but, I thought I should post this link which does
describe certain instances or circumstances when a static charge could be...worrisome.

The author teaches how static charge is measured, how powerful it has to be to cause harm, how much
power exists in common static-experiences like the kind that may occur when you get out of your car on a winter day or rub your socks or shoes on carpet...

After reading the article I thought a good question to ask might be:
what is the "Millijule" rating of Yigal's device?

Hope the article is helpful. It either taught me things I didn't know
or reminded me of what I once knew...gettin kind of old now so I can't
always remember what I forgot :)

Here is the link, hope it is helpful: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3044/can-static-electricity-kill-youh zap
[/quote]
Long time since I went to school, but maybe you can estimate the energy of each zap like this:

I looked up the specs for the GP23A-battery. The capacity seems to be around 55 mAh (until it reaches half it's voltage). In ET+ there are four of these in parallel(?), which means a total capacity of 220 mAh. 220 mAh equals to 2.64 Wh, which would be equal to 2.64*60 Ws (also known as Joule) = 158,4 J. That's the total amount of energy the batteries could deliver. I think I read fresh batteries in the ET+ is good for about 200 zaps, which means each zap contains about 0.8 J, or 800 mJ.

Edit: And since you recieve 50%, I guess it's half of that, 400 mJ.

I don't know if my thinking/calculations are correct at all. :)
[/quote]

You thinking/calculations are not bad, but you forget that you can amplify the electricity with a transistor. Maybe ET+ had electronic parts like the transistor so whe don't make a calc with only the imput value of the battery.

I don't have my ET+, it's on the way, whe arrive I test the electricity output (V,I and body R). I'm engineer, so I'dont have excuse to calc electricity.

It is frustrating to me to mean more, but being limited by my poor English.
[/quote]
Well, you can't amplify the energy in the battery. You can amplify the voltage, but the effect is proportional to U and I, like P = U * I where P is the power, U the voltage and I the current. So if you amplify the voltage the current decreases.The power remains the same. The battery has a given capacity, a transistor won't change the total energy in the battery/batteries. You could probably use capacitors and other components to deliver all the energy kept in the battery at once, but the ET/ET+ isn't designed that way. If you knew the output voltage from the ET+ and the resistance/impedance of the body you could calculate the current flowing through your body. Even then it would be hard to get any good numbers since the resistance/impedance of the body varies with how moist the skin is, if the current flows through your skin or inside your body. I think the best would be to measure with an electrometer. You could also measure the spark length to calculate the voltage. Using a regular voltmeter would probably either kill it or give useless result since the discharge is very short.
Message: Posted by: richard rain (May 7, 2013 10:32AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-02 19:01, Xiqual wrote:
I just spent some time testing my Electric Touch + and I’ll share my thoughts.

To be clear, I did own the original, and I really enjoyed its use. After a few years with it, I was actually planning on replacing it because despite its good performance, it seemed to be losing power, However, I heard that the Electric Touch + was in the works, so I decided to wait for its release.

I am glad I did. Since I had the original I can compare the two pretty well. According to his website, the Electric Touch + is “completely silent.” I had heard people were having noise problems, but my original Electric Touch was also silent, so I suppose this wouldn’t technically count as an “improvement” in my case.

It is also supposed to be “more durable and longer-lasting.” This is definitely true since the housing of the magnet has anti-corrosion coating. I didn’t do anything drastic like grinding it against metal, but we have bare floors here in Taiwan and judging from the feel and how it handled rough concrete outside, it is definitely more durable.

The ad claims that it is “easier to operate” and “more reliable.” This is also correct. Before I was unable to use my Electric Touch + with sneakers very well, kind of a hit and miss, now I can utilize it with sneakers without any problems. As for reliability, opened up the ET+ to see the inside and saw that it was a LOT more insulated, so I could count on the device to deliver EVERY time.

The hook-up however, is the same. I don’t understand why people are complaining about the permanent set up. I just used an old pair of sneakers, cut the sole with a pair of tin snips and glued the plate and the sole back on. Works great, took ten minutes. Don’t get me wrong, the DVD teaches you how to do everything in the trailer, but the possibilities are really endless. Ben’s Electric Touch + guide shows how versatile the Electric Touch + is.

Overall, I’m really happy with my purchase. I spent the same amount of money that I did for the original Electric Touch and got something that is more reliable, and sure to last even longer than the old one.
James
ps
Artin, I also did the same thing. On table, brought the magnet close to the "L" and POW! Huge arc.
[/quote]

hmmm, temptating ... I think I should order, again...
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (May 7, 2013 12:41PM)
If anyone else is "temptated" ( I sincerely love the word!), I have one for sale on the Tricks for Sale Forum, brand new, sealed, unopened, 20% off retail shipped free CONUS:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=509006&forum=76&13
Message: Posted by: richi (May 7, 2013 01:55PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 11:27, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 10:16, richi wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 04:18, djefvulen wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-07 00:10, trueinventor wrote:
Hi guys,

Overall I think Yigal's device is probably safe but, I thought I should post this link which does
describe certain instances or circumstances when a static charge could be...worrisome.

The author teaches how static charge is measured, how powerful it has to be to cause harm, how much
power exists in common static-experiences like the kind that may occur when you get out of your car on a winter day or rub your socks or shoes on carpet...

After reading the article I thought a good question to ask might be:
what is the "Millijule" rating of Yigal's device?

Hope the article is helpful. It either taught me things I didn't know
or reminded me of what I once knew...gettin kind of old now so I can't
always remember what I forgot :)

Here is the link, hope it is helpful: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/3044/can-static-electricity-kill-youh zap
[/quote]
Long time since I went to school, but maybe you can estimate the energy of each zap like this:

I looked up the specs for the GP23A-battery. The capacity seems to be around 55 mAh (until it reaches half it's voltage). In ET+ there are four of these in parallel(?), which means a total capacity of 220 mAh. 220 mAh equals to 2.64 Wh, which would be equal to 2.64*60 Ws (also known as Joule) = 158,4 J. That's the total amount of energy the batteries could deliver. I think I read fresh batteries in the ET+ is good for about 200 zaps, which means each zap contains about 0.8 J, or 800 mJ.

Edit: And since you recieve 50%, I guess it's half of that, 400 mJ.

I don't know if my thinking/calculations are correct at all. :)
[/quote]

You thinking/calculations are not bad, but you forget that you can amplify the electricity with a transistor. Maybe ET+ had electronic parts like the transistor so whe don't make a calc with only the imput value of the battery.

I don't have my ET+, it's on the way, whe arrive I test the electricity output (V,I and body R). I'm engineer, so I'dont have excuse to calc electricity.

It is frustrating to me to mean more, but being limited by my poor English.
[/quote]
Well, you can't amplify the energy in the battery. You can amplify the voltage, but the effect is proportional to U and I, like P = U * I where P is the power, U the voltage and I the current. So if you amplify the voltage the current decreases.The power remains the same. The battery has a given capacity, a transistor won't change the total energy in the battery/batteries. You could probably use capacitors and other components to deliver all the energy kept in the battery at once, but the ET/ET+ isn't designed that way. If you knew the output voltage from the ET+ and the resistance/impedance of the body you could calculate the current flowing through your body. Even then it would be hard to get any good numbers since the resistance/impedance of the body varies with how moist the skin is, if the current flows through your skin or inside your body. I think the best would be to measure with an electrometer. You could also measure the spark length to calculate the voltage. Using a regular voltmeter would probably either kill it or give useless result since the discharge is very short.
[/quote]

As exist electronic part that increment the voltage, exist another electronic parts that increse the current.
But yes I think the best is use an electrometer, I have one, but I don't have my ET+ yet.
Message: Posted by: richi (May 7, 2013 02:00PM)
BTW I think that use ET+ for add magic to a coin penetration with IR frome By Jamie Grant was an interesting idea.

You make that expectator feel the energy remaining in the block that leave the coin.

Like other says... The possibilities are limited only by your imagination.
Message: Posted by: djefvulen (May 7, 2013 04:05PM)
I read something about the PETS setup, can someone help me with that? I can give some kind of proof of purchase if needed. Please PM me or let me know who to PM.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (May 8, 2013 08:45PM)
Need so help here. Do you get a shock as well each time you do this? and is the unit stand alone, by that I mean no wires running down the leg just the unit on the belt and the plate on shoe, your body makes the connection
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 9, 2013 09:46AM)
You get half the shock, unless you are holding a metal object, then they et it all. The unit is on your leg and a wire runs to the plate.
James

[quote]
On 2013-05-08 21:45, takeachance wrote:
Need so help here. Do you get a shock as well each time you do this? and is the unit stand alone, by that I mean no wires running down the leg just the unit on the belt and the plate on shoe, your body makes the connection
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 10, 2013 09:55AM)
Electric Touch + is a tool to enhance magic and make it stronger.

I love using it. Tonight I get to try out Xiqual's line " "Wow, you are really focused, did you just shock me?"
Message: Posted by: rodrigomc2000 (May 10, 2013 01:27PM)
I bought Electric Touch + and my device not work... I don't know how to fix the problem...

I have a professional setup (that I use on previous version) and using the new device with this same setup (nothing change from the previous version on this aspect).

When I activate the device and use the method to start the static electric on my body (will not expose the method here) I can hear a high sound like a PIIIIIIII and nothing happen... (I try move tabaco or coffee and nothing work)... I already try use in different locations (no carpet or wood) but the problem is always the same... I already send a e-mail to support and still waiting a answer about my problem...

If someone already got this problem and know the solution, please PM me, because the device looks fine (I try make the test to see if the light turns green and its look good)...
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 10, 2013 08:15PM)
Contact the seller.
James


[quote]
On 2013-05-10 14:27, rodrigomc2000 wrote:
I bought Electric Touch + and my device not work... I don't know how to fix the problem...

I have a professional setup (that I use on previous version) and using the new device with this same setup (nothing change from the previous version on this aspect).

When I activate the device and use the method to start the static electric on my body (will not expose the method here) I can hear a high sound like a PIIIIIIII and nothing happen... (I try move tabaco or coffee and nothing work)... I already try use in different locations (no carpet or wood) but the problem is always the same... I already send a e-mail to support and still waiting a answer about my problem...

If someone already got this problem and know the solution, please PM me, because the device looks fine (I try make the test to see if the light turns green and its look good)...
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: SomethingReal (May 16, 2013 05:38PM)
Hey guys, I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss everything here in the Café.

I read through Dominic Reyes' FREE booklet and it was full of helpful tips, a lot of which aren't even included in the DVD. If you have a unit, I suggest you check it out.

I really believe that the Electric Touch + is a great way to compliment many aspects of your routine. If you have any technical support questions, please feel free to talk to my support team at support@yigalmesika.com

If possible, please try to post some videos, I'd love to see it action.

Again, thanks for all the comments, positive and otherwise, I appreciate all the feedback.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (May 16, 2013 10:02PM)
Years ago some performers were using The Electric Touch with Tim Trono's Branded, which is a bad #*# trick on it's own. I know have first hand experience from this morning on combining them and the results are this is one the strongest magic tricks I've ever performed.

They thought of their card and I touched their forehead ( I took Xiqual's line "did you just shock me?" ). I rubbed my fingers together like they stung and then looked at them in a surprised way and then did the reveal. People are blown away by this.

If you have ET+, try it combined with Branded. If you don't know Branded, watch the trailer and read the reviews [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/1878]CLICK HERE[/url]

It's times like this I wish I did Professional ( paid ) work.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 17, 2013 04:09AM)
So weird! I was just thinking about Tim Trono. That dude is a friggin genius. He was on the Penguin lecture with Charlie Frye and YOU wrote in.
So funny. Yes, Branded is excellent, I need to dig that out! BRB
James

[quote]
On 2013-05-16 23:02, Zombie Magic wrote:
Years ago some performers were using The Electric Touch with Tim Trono's Branded, which is a bad #*# trick on it's own. I know have first hand experience from this morning on combining them and the results are this is one the strongest magic tricks I've ever performed.

They thought of their card and I touched their forehead ( I took Xiqual's line "did you just shock me?" ). I rubbed my fingers together like they stung and then looked at them in a surprised way and then did the reveal. People are blown away by this.

If you have ET+, try it combined with Branded. If you don't know Branded, watch the trailer and read the reviews [url=http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/1878]CLICK HERE[/url]

It's times like this I wish I did Professional ( paid ) work.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: jcss (May 17, 2013 09:47PM)
I do not understand this post ... I'm hoping Mr. Yigal response to more than 5 mails I sent for a problem with their products and still no answer.
COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED

[quote]
On 2013-05-16 18:38, SomethingReal wrote:
Hey guys, I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss everything here in the Café.

I read through Dominic Reyes' FREE booklet and it was full of helpful tips, a lot of which aren't even included in the DVD. If you have a unit, I suggest you check it out.

I really believe that the Electric Touch + is a great way to compliment many aspects of your routine. If you have any technical support questions, please feel free to talk to my support team at support@yigalmesika.com

If possible, please try to post some videos, I'd love to see it action.

Again, thanks for all the comments, positive and otherwise, I appreciate all the feedback.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: rodrigomc2000 (May 18, 2013 09:09AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-17 22:47, jcss wrote:
I do not understand this post ... I'm hoping Mr. Yigal response to more than 5 mails I sent for a problem with their products and still no answer.
COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED
[/quote]

Hi,

Like I say messages above, my unit also had problems...

The Mesika support team are really slow to answer e-mails, but I was told that I could send my unit (with problem) to their office and they will sending me a new one to replace...

I still waiting receive the new one...

Be patience
Message: Posted by: rasp (May 18, 2013 10:04AM)
Nothing surprising here........... Those of us that purchased the original ET did warn potential customers about faults with that product. We also warned people about the very poor after sales.

Guess the 'plus' does not refer to either!!
Message: Posted by: intheillusion (May 18, 2013 08:22PM)
Just got through reading all 13 pages...

I set up my ET+ last night with the temp setup and I'm in love. Already ordered new shoes and the accessory kit so I can have two different pairs of shoes ready to go.

My unit worked flawlessly right out of the box. I give this a 10/10. The bending water effect is insane.

I perform a lot of lie detector routines and now with ET+ I can switch it up to a transference of thought instead of the psychology bit.

Just want to say thanks to everyone who posted positive notes on this thread as it definitely got the creative juices flowing!!

Cheers!

-David
Message: Posted by: Dr. Eamon (May 18, 2013 09:48PM)
It's time for a new version!!!
Message: Posted by: jcss (May 19, 2013 03:31PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-17 22:47, jcss wrote:
I do not understand this post ... I'm hoping Mr. Yigal response to more than 5 mails I sent for a problem with their products and still no answer.
COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED

[quote]
On 2013-05-16 18:38, SomethingReal wrote:
Hey guys, I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss everything here in the Café.

I read through Dominic Reyes' FREE booklet and it was full of helpful tips, a lot of which aren't even included in the DVD. If you have a unit, I suggest you check it out.

I really believe that the Electric Touch + is a great way to compliment many aspects of your routine. If you have any technical support questions, please feel free to talk to my support team at support@yigalmesika.com

If possible, please try to post some videos, I'd love to see it action.

Again, thanks for all the comments, positive and otherwise, I appreciate all the feedback.
[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: SomethingReal (May 20, 2013 11:39AM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-18 10:09, rodrigomc2000 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-17 22:47, jcss wrote:
I do not understand this post ... I'm hoping Mr. Yigal response to more than 5 mails I sent for a problem with their products and still no answer.
COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED
[/quote]

Hi,

Like I say messages above, my unit also had problems...

The Mesika support team are really slow to answer e-mails, but I was told that I could send my unit (with problem) to their office and they will sending me a new one to replace...

I still waiting receive the new one...

Be patience
[/quote]

Hello Rodrigo,

I have checked with my support team, and we said we would exchange your unit for a brand new one once you sent us your current unit. On the 14th, you said the post office informed you that it would take approximately one week to arrive, so I ask that you please be patient--my support team is expecting your package this week.

JCSS, my support team has reported no such email from you. We do not know what your email address is, but you are welcome to PM me because it seems as though you have the wrong email address for my support team.

As a side note, if you aren’t 100% SATISFIED with your product, you have a 3 month warranty during which you can return your item for a FULL REFUND, no questions asked. We are the only company who offers this on our entire product line, as well as free worldwide shipping and pride ourselves on our legendary customer service.

https://www.yigalmesika.com/
Message: Posted by: rodrigomc2000 (May 20, 2013 01:38PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-20 12:39, SomethingReal wrote:

Hello Rodrigo,

I have checked with my support team, and we said we would exchange your unit for a brand new one once you sent us your current unit. On the 14th, you said the post office informed you that it would take approximately one week to arrive, so I ask that you please be patient--my support team is expecting your package this week.

JCSS, my support team has reported no such email from you. We do not know what your email address is, but you are welcome to PM me because it seems as though you have the wrong email address for my support team.

As a side note, if you aren’t 100% SATISFIED with your product, you have a 3 month warranty during which you can return your item for a FULL REFUND, no questions asked. We are the only company who offers this on our entire product line, as well as free worldwide shipping and pride ourselves on our legendary customer service.

https://www.yigalmesika.com/
[/quote]

Hi Yigal,

Like I say in my message...I receive the answer from your support team!

I just say to JCSS that him needs to have patience...

I like your products, maybe because you guys receive a lot of e-mails and for this reason sometimes the support reply is not so fast.
Message: Posted by: SomethingReal (May 20, 2013 01:48PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-20 14:38, rodrigomc2000 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-05-20 12:39, SomethingReal wrote:

Hello Rodrigo,

I have checked with my support team, and we said we would exchange your unit for a brand new one once you sent us your current unit. On the 14th, you said the post office informed you that it would take approximately one week to arrive, so I ask that you please be patient--my support team is expecting your package this week.

JCSS, my support team has reported no such email from you. We do not know what your email address is, but you are welcome to PM me because it seems as though you have the wrong email address for my support team.

As a side note, if you aren’t 100% SATISFIED with your product, you have a 3 month warranty during which you can return your item for a FULL REFUND, no questions asked. We are the only company who offers this on our entire product line, as well as free worldwide shipping and pride ourselves on our legendary customer service.

https://www.yigalmesika.com/
[/quote]

Hi Yigal,

Like I say in my message...I receive the answer from your support team!

I just say to JCSS that him needs to have patience...

I like your products, maybe because you guys receive a lot of e-mails and for this reason sometimes the support reply is not so fast.
[/quote]

Thanks Rodrigo for taking the time to acknowledge the situation.
Message: Posted by: shirthler (May 21, 2013 12:18PM)
I finally invested in the ET+. I also got the accessories so I can set up with an extra set of shoes. I would like to see how the PETS setup would work. I have a set if dress shoes with rubber heels along with some trail nikes that have a somewhat flat heel.If anyone can provide the alternative setup, please pm or email me. Thanks
Message: Posted by: drstevemagic (May 21, 2013 08:01PM)
[quote]
On 2013-05-21 13:18, shirthler wrote:
I finally invested in the ET+. I also got the accessories so I can set up with an extra set of shoes. I would like to see how the PETS setup would work. I have a set if dress shoes with rubber heels along with some trail nikes that have a somewhat flat heel.If anyone can provide the alternative setup, please pm or email me. Thanks
[/quote]

If anyone else is looking to make such an investment, I've got a new, unopened ET+ available in the For Sale Forum:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=511779&forum=76&0
Message: Posted by: jcss (May 22, 2013 01:17PM)
I would like to state that Mr. Yigal has been contacted immediately. The problem had been that I wrote to an email address that uses no more and so could not answer.
Very happy with their response and their treatment.
I'm glad that everything has been a confusion.
Sorry for my English ...

[quote]
On 2013-05-17 22:47, jcss wrote:
I do not understand this post ... I'm hoping Mr. Yigal response to more than 5 mails I sent for a problem with their products and still no answer.
COMPLETELY DISAPPOINTED

[quote]
On 2013-05-16 18:38, SomethingReal wrote:
Hey guys, I appreciate you guys taking the time to discuss everything here in the Café.

I read through Dominic Reyes' FREE booklet and it was full of helpful tips, a lot of which aren't even included in the DVD. If you have a unit, I suggest you check it out.

I really believe that the Electric Touch + is a great way to compliment many aspects of your routine. If you have any technical support questions, please feel free to talk to my support team at support@yigalmesika.com

If possible, please try to post some videos, I'd love to see it action.

Again, thanks for all the comments, positive and otherwise, I appreciate all the feedback.
[/quote]
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: richi (May 28, 2013 11:09AM)
Hi guys,

I bought Electric Touch + and my ma****ic switch not work.
I make the professional setup and the switch still on(green light) after its activation (when the m****t its away from the switch).

I contact yigal support immediately, I am very happy with their fast response.

So I send my unit back to Yigal in exchange for a brand new one. The only problem it's that I live in Chile so the shipping rates on express return (the first product took like 4 weeks to be in my hands) struck me pretty hard and this waiting time it's killing me. I hope that the new unit come with no problem and Mr.Yigal can speed up the exchange process or help me with the fares that I pay for the exchange.
I buy the pre-order ET+ (March) to save money and get fast my ET+ ... now I pay more money (for the exchange shipping) and I still waiting for my ET+.

Well I am an optimistic guy, so I take the opportunity to ask while I wait for my ET+:

What kind of fluorescent light/bulb/tube is the best choice for use with the ET+?
Message: Posted by: kinesis (Jun 11, 2013 09:03AM)
My apologies but I gave up reading this thread after the first 4 pages about the ethics of shocking people. I'd actually buy this just for the ability to move salt, tissue etc and bend water. Using this method appears very organic. I don't care for shocking people.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jun 11, 2013 11:01AM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-11 10:03, kinesis wrote:
My apologies but I gave up reading this thread after the first 4 pages about the ethics of shocking people. I'd actually buy this just for the ability to move salt, tissue etc and bend water. Using this method appears very organic. I don't care for shocking people.
[/quote]

There are many way to use this without shocking. I had felt the same way before using it. Like anything, common sense dictates how/when to use it.

I've had enough people ask me to "do it again" that I know that the shocking is very light and in the context of a routine, very magical.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jun 11, 2013 11:16AM)
The thing is, does the static shock really cause pain? Is it just surprise? My 7 year old son will ask for multiple shocks. He thinks its very funny. I don't think it really is pain. More of a surprise. Jamie Grant reviewed the ET+ for Magic Friday. He loves it!
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_aVl47P92s&feature=youtu.be]Magic Friday reviews ET+[/url]
James

[quote]
On 2013-06-11 10:03, kinesis wrote:
My apologies but I gave up reading this thread after the first 4 pages about the ethics of shocking people. I'd actually buy this just for the ability to move salt, tissue etc and bend water. Using this method appears very organic. I don't care for shocking people.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: TM (Jun 15, 2013 07:28AM)
Does anyone know the Voltage that is present in each shock?
could it be too high to be risky for pace makers?
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jun 15, 2013 08:17AM)
Good grief!!!!........how many more times are people going to ask this question.

Is it such a hardship to read through previous posts............. there is also a search function that helps.
Message: Posted by: TM (Jun 15, 2013 10:26AM)
Reading the 13 pages would be a pain now, wouldn't it .
Forget the pacemaker, let em die ;) . Does anyone know whats the voltage of the shock?
Message: Posted by: rasp (Jun 15, 2013 10:48AM)
ITS A STATIC SHOCK!!!!

No different from the shock you get off a car door or dragging your feet on a carpet.

Also....... AGAIN........ it is not the voltage that would be dangerous but the AMPS.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jun 15, 2013 05:58PM)
[quote]
On 2013-06-11 12:16, Xiqual wrote:
The thing is, does the static shock really cause pain? Is it just surprise? My 7 year old son will ask for multiple shocks. He thinks its very funny. I don't think it really is pain. More of a surprise. Jamie Grant reviewed the ET+ for Magic Friday. He loves it!
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_aVl47P92s&feature=youtu.be]Magic Friday reviews ET+[/url]
James

[quote]

I have found that anything Jamie reviews is golden ( because he learns to use them and then performs them 50+ times ).

Anyone on the fence about ET+ should watch Jamie's review.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jun 15, 2013 06:13PM)
Thanks Zombie once again for your takes! I am still using my energy f****s for a somewhat similar effect.

Decomposing Aftershocks

PS: Still have and using IR Jaimie. :kewl:
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (Jul 1, 2013 03:01AM)
I got Electric Touch + slightly more than a month ago, and found that I had some inconsistencies with the gimmick. I sent an email to Yial Mesika's support team, and got a prompt reply telling me that to send them my gimmick so they can give me a replacement. I am now eagerly waiting for my new gimmick.

Such excellent customer service! :)

Nigel
Message: Posted by: rodrigomc2000 (Jul 3, 2013 06:54PM)
On 14/05/2013 I send my unit (with problem) to Mesika Office and receive a e-mail from the support team that they receive my package on 29/05/2013 and already ship another on the same day.

I already send e-mails about my order asking for a tracking number and no answer from support team...

Like I say in my other message, I know that the answer of the support team sometimes is slow, but now I'm waiting a lot and don't know what to do...

When I ship to Mesika Office I send a tracking number and I'm still waiting one tracking number or something like that to know where is my product...

Mr. Mesika, can you help me ?
Message: Posted by: DougNicols (Jul 3, 2013 07:25PM)
Wow, you waited over a month and still no replacement? Glad I didn't buy that product.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 3, 2013 08:07PM)
Well, that is your loss DougNichols. I believe Rogrigo lives in South America, so it will surely take longer.

I have been playing with lighting bulbs and found you have to touch the bulb to the ground or another person needs to hold it. Another really cool thing to carry is a small circuit tester. Just the cheap screwdriver type. Lights up really bight!
James

[quote]
On 2013-07-03 20:25, DougNicols wrote:
Wow, you waited over a month and still no replacement? Glad I didn't buy that product.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 3, 2013 08:14PM)
I LOVE Electric Touch +. It's worked perfect, right out of the box!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 3, 2013 09:11PM)
Me too! But I love Zombie magic MORE!!
James

[quote]
On 2013-07-03 21:14, Zombie Magic wrote:
I LOVE Electric Touch +. It's worked perfect, right out of the box!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 3, 2013 09:29PM)
:kiss:
Message: Posted by: dedikc (Jul 7, 2013 12:37PM)
Calix & Chakkan, the french Magic Magazine called : the Magigazine; just review some products.
Here you can find:
- Coinvexed 3 par David Penn
- Electric Touch + par Yigal Mesika
- Fourseen Wallet par Matthew Wright
- Anthologie de Luke Jermay (a book with lot of Jermay Stuff... translate in french)

If you don't speak french, don't worry, we just subtitles this episod.
Hope you like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00z5gD2PlWE
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Jul 7, 2013 05:27PM)
I love Electric Touch.....

It is INCONSISTENT, I find mainly due to the different floorings in places... so I always find one spot that I know it works... usually by the bar on solid ground.....

The biggest downfall of the device, are the batteries... I find they will not last any longer than one gig. After 3 hours of frequent use... too weak to handle. HOWEVER, I have found a marketstall in my home town that sells PANASONIC 23a batteries for a pound each! And they work just as good as the 3 pound ones......

I've become so used to the shock now, I find myself doing it in my eye and ear, without any fear. It's great when you become immune and watch everyone else scream.

I particularly enjoy zapping girls asses in nightclubs. This very often leads to sex.
Message: Posted by: Decomposed (Jul 7, 2013 06:36PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-07 18:27, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:



I particularly enjoy zapping girls asses in nightclubs. This very often leads to sex.
[/quote]

:confused:
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Jul 7, 2013 07:06PM)
[quote]
On 2013-07-07 18:27, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:

I particularly enjoy zapping girls asses in nightclubs. This very often leads to sex.
[/quote]

Don Dasher with another ID from a few years ago ( many people have extra Café ID's )?????
Message: Posted by: Florida (Jul 21, 2013 08:50PM)
I am new to the forum. This is actuall my first post. I am very impressed with the forum and look forward to sharing ideas. I just ordered the ET+ and extra kit. I hope there are still members active that I can discuss the PETS setup. Thanks everyone
Message: Posted by: Florida (Jul 27, 2013 07:38AM)
I have received my ET+, however would like some advice. I have sent out a couple of PMs, but if anyone would like to assist, please PM me. I am also very interested in the PETS setup. Please PM me with info on the other forum. Thank you
Message: Posted by: GordonTheHypnotist (Aug 23, 2013 01:33AM)
I think this is a great effect I just have not had a chance to use mine and don't know if I ever will so I have mine for sale in the Sale or Trade section of the Café for a drastically reduced price if anyone who is on the fence and has wanted to get it or anyone who might like a back up. Mine is brand new and has only been used to test. Save over 50% on it today.
Message: Posted by: tenjin (Aug 27, 2013 11:07AM)
I'll get mine in around 2 weeks. I hope I'll share some good tricks with the community!
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (Aug 31, 2013 04:35AM)
I was using ET+ at a poolside, and started to wonder what would have happened if I fell into the pool...

Nigel
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Aug 31, 2013 05:25PM)
Any thoughts on what I should do if the temporary set up works fine but the pro set up doesn't? I saw that some others may have had a similar problem but is it an issue with the device or the set up?

Strange because it really does work well with the temp, and I had the pro set up done by..well...a pro! So not sure why this happening. With the pro set up, the device does still activate (the light turns green), and I hear an electric like sound (that is louder than usual for the activation) yet no shock gets delivered.

I just wrote to customer service so we'll see but if anyone has any thoughts or suggestions, let me know.

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 1, 2013 07:35AM)
FOR SOME REASON... my ET has now just stopped working. Well, it still works.... exact same problem as the poster above. LIGHTS UP, crackles, but no current in my body... no charge at all.... just odd!? Was working PERFECT, now, just.... nothing? Like there is ZERO POWER at all........ so frustrating.... Anyone else had this problem? Cheers.
Message: Posted by: Xaerius (Sep 1, 2013 11:15AM)
Have you guys tried changing the batteries?

Nigel
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 1, 2013 12:41PM)
I've used every battery make known to man. Brand new ones, always work, not now. It definitely does feel as if there is a severe lack of power though...
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 1, 2013 02:22PM)
I tried changing the battery and still nothing when working it with the pro set up. Again, with the temp set up, it works amazingly well. Water bend, lightbulb trick, you name it. All works.

I'm now thinking I should have used a different type of sh#e for the pro set up as the one I'm using may not be conducting properly. I tested some other sh#es with the temp set up and they all work fine which is leading me to believe I made a mistake in choosing the ones I did to have modified.

Now, when running the tests with the temp set up, it seems that sn#*kers work better over a dress sh#e? The dress seem to make more noise too (in temp set up so maybe with the pro it lessens)?

Before I spend more dough to get another pair of sh#es modified, any recommendations on a particular brand, model, style, etc that work best?

thanks!
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 1, 2013 02:39PM)
Pendleton, If the temp set up works with a pair of shoes then this proves the conductivity is fine, and the pro set up should work. If the temp works but no pro, it HAS TO BE the grounding of the housing... I.e. it can't be flush with the floor. Try adding conductive tape to the metal housing.

With me though.... nothing works. The device has well and truly stopped working. I am gutted because I use this all the time. Does it have a warranty? I didn't buy it direct from Mesika though, I got it from Saturn Magic. ???


(((
Message: Posted by: Saturn UK (Sep 1, 2013 03:15PM)
[quote]
On 2013-09-01 15:39, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
Pendleton, If the temp set up works with a pair of shoes then this proves the conductivity is fine, and the pro set up should work. If the temp works but no pro, it HAS TO BE the grounding of the housing... I.e. it can't be flush with the floor. Try adding conductive tape to the metal housing.

With me though.... nothing works. The device has well and truly stopped working. I am gutted because I use this all the time. Does it have a warranty? I didn't buy it direct from Mesika though, I got it from Saturn Magic. ???


(((
[/quote]

I have sent a message via the Yigal Mesika website to find out what the procedure is for you to fix a broken unit as this has not happened before.

Please send us an email with your invoice number or when you bought it and that way I can respond direct to you.

Thanks
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 1, 2013 03:39PM)
Thanks for your advice magicmark. And sorry to hear about the trouble your having with your device. Looks like Saturn is going to look into help for you though so hope it works out.

To your point, I'm going to get the pro set up done on another pair of sh#es. And test it first it with the temp set up...which I should have done originally. For some reason the lo#fers I have the pro set up on just don't work. Tried conductive tape, etc. Nothing. Just a light and crackle but no electric touch. At first, when it wasn't working, I thought it was maybe that the housing wasn't properly touching the floor (and the cut was too deep). So I had the shave the h##l a bit more to ensure it would. That didn't work either. I think it's the lo#fers so will try something else.

Thanks again and good luck on your situation.
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 1, 2013 04:15PM)
Mark at Saturn Magic Thank you for your help... I will do!
Message: Posted by: Mark8infiniti (Sep 1, 2013 04:16PM)
Mark at Saturn Magic Thank you for your help... I will do!
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 12, 2013 04:31PM)
[quote]

On 2013-03-13 13:22, randirain wrote:

They were delayed the first time around by Homeland Security trying to figure out what these devices were he was bringing into the country.

Randi

[/quote]

Didn't they think they were bomb detectors......oh wait hat was [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23768203]Gary Bolton[/url] and he was sent down for it! :)
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 14, 2013 04:13AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-13 19:15, 1908 wrote:

LOL! Where do you think I'm posting from?

[/quote]

Are you in a hospital maternity ward?

[quote]
On 2013-03-13 19:15, 1908 wrote:

LOL! Try not to use it then when in the showers! Xiqual you said I can not use it while in toilet, what happens if I use it while I am trying to have a baby??? :)

[/quote]

That depends.......are you male or female?

Either way you have the [b]right[/b] to have babies.
Message: Posted by: dave_matkin (Sep 14, 2013 07:55AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-19 14:11, DTJK wrote:
However, please don't try this on a person on a wheelchair..
[/quote]

What the heck do you mean? Come on, have you not heard of equality! Treat [b]everyone[/b] equally, if your prepared to use ET on a young fit man you should also be happy to use it on a fit young man in a wheelchair! [b]please[/b] don't assume everyone in a wheelchair will drop dead from a static shock......and don't assume the same for someone not in a wheelchair! As a person who has a disability I can say that I don't mind if people do magic tricks on me and I'm happy for them to spark me with ET as well - cant speak for all wheelchair users as everyone is different!

If you are warning because you think it won't work.....

There have been [b]many many[/b] times I have got a static shock whilst in my wheelchair! Also been able to cop a feel of a ladies boobs one time too! It was an accident! No really! It was my fault .....but she felt sorry for me as I was in a wheelchair and apologised to me several times! So annoying!
Message: Posted by: cardnerd (Oct 10, 2013 02:41AM)
I can honestly tell you that I would be extremely mad if someone shocked me. Being into magic myself and going to magic meetups and magic club I get to participate in a lot of new tricks I have never seen. That being said I have an extreme fear of electric shock and if someone knowingly shocked me I would freak out on them. You should never ever do anything to a person that could be physically painful / discomforting without their consent.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Oct 10, 2013 05:15AM)
I ask them to touch my forehead, then when the shock happens, I say "Did you just shock me? You got some serious MoJo!" They never get mad.
James
ps
It doesn't hurt, my 7 year old sneaks up on me and touches my face to get a laugh.

[quote]
On 2013-10-10 03:41, cardnerd wrote:
I can honestly tell you that I would be extremely mad if someone shocked me. Being into magic myself and going to magic meetups and magic club I get to participate in a lot of new tricks I have never seen. That being said I have an extreme fear of electric shock and if someone knowingly shocked me I would freak out on them. You should never ever do anything to a person that could be physically painful / discomforting without their consent.
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 10, 2013 12:10PM)
[quote]
On 2013-10-10 06:15, Xiqual wrote:
I ask them to touch my forehead, then when the shock happens, I say "Did you just shock me? You got some serious MoJo!" They never get mad.

[/quote]

Xiqual shared this when ET+ came out and I use the line. It's PERFECT!
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Oct 10, 2013 07:20PM)
It really does not hurt does it Zombie?
James

[quote]
On 2013-10-10 13:10, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-10-10 06:15, Xiqual wrote:
I ask them to touch my forehead, then when the shock happens, I say "Did you just shock me? You got some serious MoJo!" They never get mad.

[/quote]

Xiqual shared this when ET+ came out and I use the line. It's PERFECT!
[/quote]
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Oct 10, 2013 08:09PM)
Xiqual, it doesn't hurt. And with your clever wording, they shock you.
Message: Posted by: Yano (Dec 3, 2013 01:35PM)
By bending water, are you able to spill some water on the table then make the water move?

I mean non flowing water. Just still water on the table.
Message: Posted by: takeachance (Dec 4, 2013 04:25PM)
That's an interesting take on this Yano, anyone with ET tried it?
Message: Posted by: mentalmagicgerman (Dec 29, 2013 07:29PM)
Hi everyone

Last week I have use it on street and it was amazing.
Nobody had a clue.

It is not cheap, but it is worth this price. I think it is the strongest gimmick in mental magic and street magic.
I can not think, there is a better effect than this, because sceptics had no clue, how it is done...


Sorry for my english, Iam from Germany
Message: Posted by: Nicholas young (May 31, 2014 02:01PM)
Is it supposed to make a noise when on? Wondering if it is set up wrong, as soon as I turn it on (the green light) it makes a noise.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (May 31, 2014 09:32PM)
When I perform Electric touch, I ask them to touch my forehead, we both get a 50/50 static shock, then I say "Whoa did you just shock me?" I ask them if they have any "powers" and if this has happened before. I have never had anyone get angry or blame me. They always get excited and say positive things. Some people say that it has happened before.
James
BTW
A static shock. Like a slide that is cold in the winter. If 5 year old children can shock each other and laugh, I think Bill Hegbli, Chavez magic school graduate can handle it.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 9, 2014 01:13PM)
What a nasty, disgusting post. I think you need professional help.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 9, 2014 03:28PM)
Yes. The death threat is mildly disturbing.

And, Ray, I think this really is just a static 'shock'. This does [i]not[/i] hurt. It's what you get from polyester on a hot day, or from a charged-up rubber balloon. Genuinely. I agree that a maiming would be more reasonable for James. Perhaps if we cut off James's left leg, below the knee, that would suit Bill's purpose? (Before we call the security services because he has something electronic, of course.) That would be proportionate, I think.

This effect is [i]not[/i] for me, incidentally, but really, this guy needs to get a grip, or something. Maybe shake hands with the unemployed? I dunno. Oy gevalt...
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Jul 9, 2014 03:35PM)
I'd have to disagree Tomsk.

I don't like the idea of James family suffering for what he has done.

I'd be happy with both legs going and no homeland security implications for his family.

That seems fair.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 9, 2014 04:06PM)
Yeah, I suppose you've got a point there, Ray.

Maybe we could compromise with one leg taken off at the hip and the ring finger of his non-dominant hand amputated? I am prepared to waive the NSA in favour of an inconclusive police investigation resulting in dismissal from his workplace.

Deal?
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 9, 2014 04:31PM)
You'll have to apply through the proper channels for that, Ray. The Chavez school may be able to help.

It's terrible, but I feel like I'm signing James's death warrant here.

Bill, will you be merciful? And send Ray an autograph? That way, James may still survive for his family, albeit severely maimed.
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 9, 2014 07:40PM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
What a nasty, disgusting post. I think you need professional help. [/quote]

[b]In response to a removed post.[/b]
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Jul 10, 2014 05:26AM)
[quote]On Jul 9, 2014, tomsk192 wrote:
You'll have to apply through the proper channels for that, Ray. The Chavez school may be able to help.

It's terrible, but I feel like I'm signing James's death warrant here.

Bill, will you be merciful? And send Ray an autograph? That way, James may still survive for his family, albeit severely maimed. [/quote]


You may not get an immediate response as the Banhammer seems to have fallen on Bill .......again
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 10, 2014 05:57AM)
Oops...
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 10, 2014 10:25AM)
Did Bill blow a gasket AGAIN? I wish I could have seen the meltdown. Although as I look out of my window, I can see an unsavoury group of men wearing ill fitting tuxedos and top hats.
Should I fear for my life, is it Bill's posse? Actually, I think my daughter could kick Bill's ass.
James
Message: Posted by: Ray Chelt (Jul 10, 2014 10:39AM)
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Xiqual wrote:
Did Bill blow a gasket AGAIN? I wish I could have seen the meltdown. Although as I look out of my window, I can see an unsavoury group of men wearing ill fitting tuxedos and top hats.
Should I fear for my life, is it Bill's posse? Actually, I think my daughter could kick Bill's ass.
James [/quote]

Just by way of explaining Tomsk and my humorous exchanges above. Bill suggested that there would be severe repercussions for you if you ever shocked him . We were trying to talk him down to some light maiming.
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Jul 11, 2014 08:18AM)
Maiming is always good. Thanks for looking out for me Ray. Yu can se why the economy in the USA is in the crapper. With the NSA having to fly all over the world arresting people's families for magic tricks, it must run up quite a bill (Bill?).

Cool how Bill has the NSA working for him. H must be rich.
James

[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Ray Chelt wrote:
[quote]On Jul 10, 2014, Xiqual wrote:
Did Bill blow a gasket AGAIN? I wish I could have seen the meltdown. Although as I look out of my window, I can see an unsavoury group of men wearing ill fitting tuxedos and top hats.
Should I fear for my life, is it Bill's posse? Actually, I think my daughter could kick Bill's ass.
James [/quote]

Just by way of explaining Tomsk and my humorous exchanges above. Bill suggested that there would be severe repercussions for you if you ever shocked him . We were trying to talk him down to some light maiming. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: tomsk192 (Jul 12, 2014 07:25PM)
He's living it up in Malibu.



















Not.
Message: Posted by: nicolasgalat (Aug 26, 2014 06:26PM)
Hi I´m Nicolas Galat and I just bought my Electric Touch+
I just worked a bit with it and I think there is something strange on my ET. When I make contact between the feets the thing starts BUZZING and the light turns blue? Does anyone knows what does that mean? Also sometimes I feel an electric shok on mi left feet. Dos anyone knows why this is happening and if its normal? Thankyou
BTW, Im using the temporary way to do that
Message: Posted by: Matt Pulsar (Sep 4, 2014 03:14PM)
So far I'm loving it. I don't get strong electric shocks all the time though, not sure why, but I'm not usually using it to shock people. It's a great tool. I think I'm not insulated enough, going to try insoles...
Message: Posted by: r99h (Sep 21, 2014 05:23PM)
I'm interested in getting this, but wear many different kinds of shoe when performing (smart shoes, sneakers, boots, cooler summer shoes, etc.). So my question is: can the ET+ be used with just the temporary set up, or is it necessary to eventually use the professional setup?

Rich
Message: Posted by: PendletonThe3rd (Sep 22, 2014 01:16AM)
Practicality may become an issue if you just want to use the ET+ with the temp setup. It makes walking around with it on a bit more difficult (especially if your doing so for a long time).

That said, it is doable, doing strictly temp, but ultimately, your going to prefer the practicality of the pro set up.
Message: Posted by: r99h (Sep 22, 2014 01:42AM)
Thank you. :)
Message: Posted by: Xiqual (Sep 23, 2014 09:36PM)
If you just buy a pair of shoes specifically for ET, you can set it up yourself with a sharp craft knife. Embedding the gimmick in the shoe sole really helps the power of the ET.
I did a pair of tennis shoes in less than 40 minutes.
James
Message: Posted by: dunraven (Sep 5, 2016 09:03PM)
I just bought one and immediately returned it. Like several of the posts I've read on this forum, mine was BUZZING like crazy every time it was activated and started shocking my left leg. No way this is how it is supposed to work. I reviewed setup, online videos, tried different shoes, etc. Clearly mine was defective. I mean, the buzzing was so loud that if I had done the trick for anyone it would have been obvious something was on my leg.

So it appears that getting a defective unit is not that rare, as I have seen several posts. But nobody seems to ever answer the post. Hope this helps. If you get a unit that loudly buzzes like crazy and shocks your leg, SEND IT BACK!
Message: Posted by: dunraven (Sep 5, 2016 09:07PM)
For anyone who has one that works: can you confirm whether it is completely silent when you activate it?
Message: Posted by: Merlinsmagic (Sep 5, 2016 09:40PM)
I have one of the 1st ones & it was silent for a few times I used it, but 4th time it started that loud buzzing & started zapping my leg. I opened it up to inspect it & found the 2 main wires inside shorting out against each other.
Seems like a fault in the design & build.....

If it had worked as it should without this glich, it has its possibilities of different uses, or at least it would have for me. I feel Mesika should be replacing all these as they seem to have a common fault in the overall design.......
Message: Posted by: magicsachin (Sep 25, 2016 07:05AM)
When I do stage shows I get distracted due to the ' unexpected' shocks on my leg.....I don't know is there any fault with my ET+ ..
Message: Posted by: AndreaMooreMagic (Oct 5, 2016 03:57PM)
Could be the set up. When your shoes get too close with each other.. Happened to me before.
Message: Posted by: mrbungle (Aug 21, 2017 07:07AM)
Hey Guys.. Is there a message board somewhere else where people discuss other possibilities with the E.T.? I discovered today that you can make a big piece of thin foil move away or towards your hand on a table. I have sent a video to Yigal to show what I did with it. https://vimeo.com/229966823 password is 1234. ciao!
Message: Posted by: Philippe (Aug 22, 2017 03:31PM)
P.E.T.S. Allows you to adapt any shoe for ET in about a minute. All your shoes can be made ready to take ET for any occasion.
Message: Posted by: Howser (Mar 16, 2018 04:24AM)
I combined an inject 2.0 effect with electric touch for the reveal. I did this to a female colleague a few months back and up to this day she's convinced that because of me, she now get's frequent electric shocks. she doesn't believe me that there is no correlation and even my buddy (who knows the secret) couldn't persuade her that it's just coincidental.. :D
Message: Posted by: Greg Rostami (Mar 23, 2018 04:36PM)
[quote]On Mar 16, 2018, Howser wrote:
I combined an inject 2.0 effect with electric touch for the reveal. I did this to a female colleague a few months back and up to this day she's convinced that because of me, she now get's frequent electric shocks. she doesn't believe me that there is no correlation and even my buddy (who knows the secret) couldn't persuade her that it's just coincidental.. :D [/quote]
WOW!!

That's awesome. I wish I could see you perform.

Greg
Message: Posted by: vinski (Dec 10, 2018 06:14PM)
I have a quick question about ET. Really nothing specifically related to the thing itself, but an overall question that I thought would be better to ask from somebody who knows about the thing and electricity rather than just somebody who knows about electricity. Anyway to the point.

On the instructions paper there is the the warning section that says: "Do not shock anyone who is touching anything that is metallic and grounded, like a gate or a microphone." Just out of curiosity can somebody explain why is this or what happens when you do?

Thanks!
Message: Posted by: magusofpower (Dec 17, 2018 10:51PM)
[quote]On Dec 10, 2018, vinski wrote:
I have a quick question about ET. Really nothing specifically related to the thing itself, but an overall question that I thought would be better to ask from somebody who knows about the thing and electricity rather than just somebody who knows about electricity. Anyway to the point.

On the instructions paper there is the the warning section that says: "Do not shock anyone who is touching anything that is metallic and grounded, like a gate or a microphone." Just out of curiosity can somebody explain why is this or what happens when you do?

Thanks! [/quote]

If the spectator is touching a grounded metal object, it is possible for the current to travel through their vital organs as it passes from the part of their body you contacted (likely their hand or arm), through the core of their body (chest), as it makes its way to the part of their body contacting the grounded object. Electricity needs a difference of potential in order to flow as current. While I would imagine ET provides a lot of voltage, it is pushing a very small amperage as voltage and current are inversely proportionate therefore it should be pretty safe if used as directed. The spectator will most always be grounded but if they are touching a grounded metal object, the difference in potential could be higher, leading to an increase in the effect of the shock. Along with the possible increased current flow, as previously mentioned, the current could be directed through the vital organs as well. Hope this helps some. Good luck!
Message: Posted by: Jed Maxwell (Jun 6, 2019 03:53AM)
Could someone be kind enough to tell me the dimensions of the ET+? How big a box am I going to be strapping to my leg?
Message: Posted by: drstrangelove (Aug 28, 2019 03:29PM)
Anyone with even the basic soldering skills can make your own version for under 20 bucks.
Message: Posted by: Piz (Sep 11, 2019 05:07AM)
[quote]On Aug 28, 2019, drstrangelove wrote:
Anyone with even the basic soldering skills can make your own version for under 20 bucks. [/quote]

I did (spent around $30-$40 from what I remember on parts), wasn't hard, I purchased a mini ion generator and made it myself. I preferred my Electric Touch due to size, but I got it working the same, magnets and all.

For kicks I was thinking about buying this one off of WalMarts site. The same company that sells this one also has a newer version out (which is double the price) that actually "charges" through wall socket and works without batteries, is much smaller, more powerful, is silent, and actually looks darn cool. I'm very tempted to pick one up! I'm "not" gonna post a link to their site as they have video on there that I swear I have seen before, so I'm gonna stay on the safe side here.

Here is their "first" version selling on Walmart's main site, and yes, it activates the same as the Electric Touch...


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Electric-Touch-Power-Experts-magnetic-control-Mentalism-Magic-Tricks-Street/790215440?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222228288882072&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=m&wl3=346900802282&wl4=pla-734096391569&wl5=9018859&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=790215440&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjwtuLrBRAlEiwAPVcZBtKDQ_wMJCKdmwLLXZ50ewEhcSgEd2yP5qilPeUU4DJ0SHc5R_huWRoCW4gQAvD_BwE
Message: Posted by: TheAmazingSamoth (Sep 28, 2019 05:28PM)
Just a quick question.

Is it possible to deliver a continuous series of electric shocks with this electric touch?

Samoth