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Topic: Graphology & Mentalism
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Mar 14, 2013 05:35AM)
My late mother was into graphology & I've just started studying the subject.

Given the amount of detail about a persons character that can be gleaned from Graphology I wonder if anyone uses it to any extent in perhaps a cold reading situation? Although a complete character analysis requires detailed study of the written word it is possible to instantly recognise traits from just a signature.

Thoughts?
Message: Posted by: THB (Mar 14, 2013 05:40AM)
Speed Learning Graphology - The Art Of Handwriting Analysis
http://imentalism.com/theparlour
Message: Posted by: Demitri (Mar 14, 2013 05:56AM)
I strongly second that recommendation! Julian Moore's book is fantastic (as are the others he has written). This is an excellent place to start your studies!

However, I don't think that link will be of help, since I'm not sure the books are on lybrary.com (I didn't see it when I clicked it). You might try going to the source:

[url]http://thecoldreadingcompany.co.uk/coldreading/index.php/store#!/~/product/id=9271755[/url]
Message: Posted by: seadog93 (Mar 14, 2013 10:01AM)
I was into Graphology (Handwriting Analysis/Grapho-Analysis for those who know the difference) before I was into mentalism and have gone through phases of being more or less into it. On the whole I love it.

"Speed Learning Graphology" is a wonderful way to learn basic graphology, but it's also useful if you already know graphology and want to do short readings because it gives a consistent order of traits to look for for a quick but satisfying reading. For myself, when doing a short reading, I was always at a bit of a loss as to what to talk about; I would just jump back and forth talking about whatever trait I noticed or thought of. I really recommend the book.

Graphology may also be used on the stage, such as in psi-grafico. John Riggs also has a great piece called the "T-party," which isn't a routine so much as a mini-talk on graphology that could easily be incorporated into a larger talk.
Message: Posted by: dennper (Mar 14, 2013 10:45AM)
I have been making good money with Black Hart's graphology system for several years now at trade shows and corporate gigs.

Sets fast and plays extremely well if you already know how to do a decent reading. Show up in a suit and tie and rock n roll!

http://www.blackhart.co.uk/graph.html
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 14, 2013 01:11PM)
Is the Blackhart system easy to learn, and is there much memory work involved, its quite pricey to just jump in without seeing a few reviews.
Message: Posted by: dennper (Mar 14, 2013 01:29PM)
The system is very easy to learn as it involves working thru a tick sheet that the guest takes away with them. Once you have a basic understanding of the system all of the answers are right in front of you, you just need to be able to talk thru them in an intersting and convincing way (hence my comment about being able to give a decent reading). Part of what you are paying for is that Keith sends you the complete table kit with all the little accessories for your presentation, including a nice carrying bag for the whole thing. All you need to do is print off how ever many tick sheets you will need for each gig, with your advertising and maybe the advertising of whoever hired you if you like. Carry some extra pens too as these tend to disappear, and you might want a nice stand up display for the signage provided. I have booked this into many trade shows and places where a 'reader' would likely not be hired as it comes across as very 'scientific' and professional. It is really a whole act in a bag.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 14, 2013 01:39PM)
Thanks for the mention guys

I have no idea why I am linked to lybrary or why anyone would think I was - my stuff is only available on my own site or from the usual amazon etc
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 14, 2013 01:41PM)
Here's my explanation of what you get

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BJJeOoRCeo
Message: Posted by: dennper (Mar 14, 2013 01:46PM)
By the way, I also have Julian's course in addition to the Black Hart kit, and it is an excellent piece with lots of great knowledge detail about how to perform graphology. A really good investment if you are interested in this subject!
Message: Posted by: THB (Mar 14, 2013 01:58PM)
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On 2013-03-14 14:39, bevbevvybev wrote:
Thanks for the mention guys

I have no idea why I am linked to lybrary or why anyone would think I was - my stuff is only available on my own site or from the usual amazon etc
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I didn't link to lybrary, linked to imentalsim which used to sell your material. I have no idea why clicking on imentalism leads to library. probably a deal they have together and a redirect...


I didn't even realise imentalism didn't exist anymore...

Sorry for confusion...
Message: Posted by: NeilS (Mar 15, 2013 06:37AM)
I have quite a few of Julian Moore's releases and what I like about each is the way all is set out and explained so clearly and in stages. His graphology book is especially good and I have used the method he suggests on quite a few occasions. It works.

Another recommendation and a favourite of mine is Draw Me a Tree by Rudy T Hunter.
Message: Posted by: John C (Mar 15, 2013 07:07AM)
Go Julian all the way!
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 15, 2013 09:03AM)
Thanks for the video, very helpful. My main reason for wanting to learn the system is as I do my comedy magic act in Hotels the recent move to all inclusive venues has seen a drop off in bookings. I was thinking of just sitting in the reception area with some sort of advertising and charge a small fee for an analysis.
My thinking is that as no-one is doing this it could be a good earner, because of the all inclusive situation all the acts are dropping their prices and competing for the same venues, maybe this is a way round it. Any suggestions welcome.
Message: Posted by: kannon (Mar 15, 2013 09:18AM)
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On 2013-03-14 06:35, Russell Davidson wrote:
My late mother was into graphology & I've just started studying the subject.

Given the amount of detail about a persons character that can be gleaned from Graphology I wonder if anyone uses it to any extent in perhaps a cold reading situation? Although a complete character analysis requires detailed study of the written word it is possible to instantly recognise traits from just a signature.

Thoughts?
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Hey Russell, If your still reading this then for analyzing someone's signature...
As NeilS has already pointed out Rudy T Hunters: DRAW ME A TREE! Is probably the way to go. An excellent DVD which covers how to analyze trees AS WELL AS signatures.

http://www.lybrary.com/picometry-p-41752.html is another great resource that touches on signature analyze whilst achieving the greater goal of giving readings based on how people draw a picture with a HOUSE, TREE AND SUN.

and my own Doodleology from the lybrary or my signature is another great one for analysing drawings and doodles.

and I wasn't familiar with the Blackhart system, sounds like an interesting bundle, which looks like it would also give you lots of great thoughts on taking graphology to the festivals, fairs etc with great success. Julian's system whilst easy to learn and apply focuses more on analyzing how a person writes to specific words and has a ticksheet.

Get 'em all ;)

Remember there's a load of free resources on graphology only a google search away too.
Message: Posted by: dusty (Mar 15, 2013 09:43AM)
Hi Russell,
I created "7 steps to graphology" for just that purpose.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 15, 2013 09:44AM)
Just downloaded the kindle version of speed learnng, now to shut myself away for the weekend.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 15, 2013 09:59AM)
Don't forget to use the download link in the book to get the flash cards and you can get the audiobook from my site too so you can listen in the car, on ipod etc

In fact, all my audiobooks are available for free from my site
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 15, 2013 12:30PM)
Thanks for the info, I will download the flash cards right now.
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 15, 2013 02:44PM)
I had a few questions after downloading the book speed learning graphology, so I emailed bevbevvybev and must say that the response I have had was nothing short of fantastic. All my questions were answered and alwat almost instantly. I just wanted to post this here so that Café members would know that here is someone who takes his buissiness serously, I am looking forward to doing buissiness whith him again, highly recommended.
Message: Posted by: Andre Hagen (Mar 15, 2013 03:35PM)
Waiting for the Tarot Course to be released. Is it close to completion?
Message: Posted by: Michael_MacDonald (Mar 15, 2013 04:10PM)
Yes Bev is a grand gent for doing business with. I purchased is speed learning palmistry book and love the fact that I was able to do readings in a very short time. they are great for beginners and advanced alike in that they teach you haw to present the reading not just the line facts.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Mar 15, 2013 07:14PM)
Tarot. You're going to be waiting a long time for that I'm afraid as there are other things I have to get out before that one!
Message: Posted by: arielf (Mar 20, 2013 07:39AM)
I'm about to release a book on graphology for mentalists (and magicians). It's on my site, http://isawthat.com
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 20, 2013 08:46AM)
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On 2013-03-20 08:39, arielf wrote:
I'm about to release a book on graphology for mentalists (and magicians). It's on my site, http://isawthat.com
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I like your ad copy. Very interesting. What's the price?
Message: Posted by: the Sponge (Mar 20, 2013 09:24AM)
Well, first you pick your currency from the drop down, then it will show it.

s
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Mar 20, 2013 09:50AM)
Thanks, I didn't realize that was a drop down, it just looked like an incomplete field, my bad.
Message: Posted by: arielf (Mar 20, 2013 03:43PM)
"Reading Writing" will retail for USD 55.00, shipping from me is about 3.50 in the US, not much more elsewhere. Thank you for your interest! :)
Message: Posted by: asanghi (Mar 21, 2013 01:07PM)
Check out this article which claims that narcisstic CEOs have bigger handwriting...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/ceo-signatures-size-narcissism_n_2647911.html
Message: Posted by: quicknotist (Mar 21, 2013 01:39PM)
I enjoy reading handwriting and occasionally signatures.
I've replied to you privately with more info.

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On 2013-03-14 06:35, Russell Davidson wrote:
My late mother was into graphology & I've just started studying the subject.

Given the amount of detail about a persons character that can be gleaned from Graphology I wonder if anyone uses it to any extent in perhaps a cold reading situation? Although a complete character analysis requires detailed study of the written word it is possible to instantly recognise traits from just a signature.

Thoughts?
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Message: Posted by: arielf (Mar 22, 2013 08:45AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-21 14:07, asanghi wrote:
Check out this article which claims that narcisstic CEOs have bigger handwriting...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/08/ceo-signatures-size-narcissism_n_2647911.html
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Yes, but it doesn't work both ways. Narcissists are very likely to have large handwriting (not just signatures), but large writing doesn't necessarily mean narcissism. For our purposes --entertainment -- we can say, this sign means this trait, that sign means that trait, but in a proper analysis, signs are weighed against other signs in order to reach a conclusion.
Message: Posted by: arielf (Mar 22, 2013 10:02AM)
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On 2013-03-20 10:50, Mindpro wrote:
Thanks, I didn't realize that was a drop down, it just looked like an incomplete field, my bad.
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No, MY bad. I changed the text, it should be more obvious now. Thank you for mentioning it!
Message: Posted by: arielf (Apr 2, 2013 12:33PM)
Greetings! The book is available now. Thank you for your interest!
Message: Posted by: solarzar (Apr 2, 2013 05:34PM)
My copy arrived yesterday. This is a well-done presentation of graphology with separate sections to explain how to incorporate it into mentalism and magic. I've only started reading it but I'm very pleased with this book and the information presented.

Just my thoughts, Solarzar
Message: Posted by: Russell Davidson (Apr 3, 2013 03:50AM)
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On 2013-03-15 10:18, kannon wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-14 06:35, Russell Davidson wrote:
My late mother was into graphology & I've just started studying the subject.

Given the amount of detail about a persons character that can be gleaned from Graphology I wonder if anyone uses it to any extent in perhaps a cold reading situation? Although a complete character analysis requires detailed study of the written word it is possible to instantly recognise traits from just a signature.

Thoughts?
[/quote]

Hey Russell, If your still reading this then for analyzing someone's signature...
As NeilS has already pointed out Rudy T Hunters: DRAW ME A TREE! Is probably the way to go. An excellent DVD which covers how to analyze trees AS WELL AS signatures.

http://www.lybrary.com/picometry-p-41752.html is another great resource that touches on signature analyze whilst achieving the greater goal of giving readings based on how people draw a picture with a HOUSE, TREE AND SUN.

and my own Doodleology from the lybrary or my signature is another great one for analysing drawings and doodles.

and I wasn't familiar with the Blackhart system, sounds like an interesting bundle, which looks like it would also give you lots of great thoughts on taking graphology to the festivals, fairs etc with great success. Julian's system whilst easy to learn and apply focuses more on analyzing how a person writes to specific words and has a ticksheet.

Get 'em all ;)

Remember there's a load of free resources on graphology only a google search away too.
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Yes, I know Draw me a Tree. I would however exercise caution if you use it as part of it deals directly with the subjects love life & it can reveal things they'd rather you didn't say!
Message: Posted by: arielf (Apr 3, 2013 07:59AM)
Thank you, Solarzar! :) Very glad you like it.
Message: Posted by: arielf (May 1, 2013 05:58PM)
I wrote a piece about the mentalism contained in my new book, "Reading Writing". Enjoy!

http://isawthat.com/4093/mentalism-in-reading-writing/
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Feb 12, 2016 05:02AM)
Look interesting, anyone who has bought the Reading Writing book and want to share their opinion about it?
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Feb 12, 2016 12:02PM)
Marc, I liked it. Good foundational basics on Graphology with samples provided. Then towards the back a complete section incorporating magic and mentalism effects with what is taught in the beginning sections of the book. To me it was like graphology for magicians/mentalists. A good education and great practical advice for its use and application. Well-written. I would recommend it without a doubt.
Message: Posted by: Marc O (Feb 12, 2016 02:31PM)
Thank you for your response.
Was not aware of this book but it looks pretty interesting.

Recently bought "Doodle me a tree" by Andy Fisher and "Graphology" by Julian Moore.
Think this book will be a great contribution for my collection.
Message: Posted by: Mindpro (Feb 12, 2016 06:45PM)
I also like both of those as well.
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Feb 13, 2016 04:21PM)
Been a few changes on my site and the [url=http://themagiccafe.com]graphology book[/url] can now be found at:

http://thecoldreadingcompany.co.uk/graphology-book
Message: Posted by: Mark_Chandaue (Feb 14, 2016 04:49AM)
I picked up Julian's book the other day and it's a great book that, like his others is vastly underpriced. Within a matter of hours I was able to look at the samples and match them to the characteristics. It's also probably harder to forget what he teaches than it is to remember it. Most of this goes straight in and stays there. With only a weekend of study I can give a fairly decent reading based on this system.

Mark
Message: Posted by: waldorf (Jan 18, 2017 03:22AM)
Yes I too, like Julian's book. I'm also curious about the Blackhart system which people recommend too. I know you get various useful pieces of 'equipment' (clipboard, badge, flyers etc). Without spilling secrets, I'm wondering if it's worth buying in addition to Julian's book? The principles will, I assume, be similar but probably using a different string of words. Anyone using both (or, more likely, a combination), care to comment?
Message: Posted by: waldorf (Jan 19, 2017 01:53AM)
Julian's system - and I think that of Blackhart - use a 'tick sheet' type approach. The advantages are that you have a guide to keep you on track and give a structure for your analysis and that the spectator gets something to take away. The disadvantages, perhaps, are that the spectator sees an analytical process which might be 'easy' for him/her to replicate (is that a disadvantage, I wonder?) and it might remove some of the 'mystique'.

A free form blank sheet approach could use the same techniques but might seem more casual and suited to walkaround, or dealing with small groups (perhaps using the reverse of a promotional flyer?).

I'm drawn to this free-form approach but I'm still pondering. Comments? Ideas?
Message: Posted by: arielf (Dec 17, 2018 01:27PM)
You can congratulate me: I’ve finally stepped into the 21st century :)

When I wrote ‘Reading Writing’ (released in 2013), ebooks had already hit the mainstream and I was ready to release a digital edition of the book. But I wasn’t comfortable with the idea of studying handwriting samples on a screen. It was bad enough that they had to be digitized for print (standard practice for books on graphology), which is guaranteed to create a certain loss of fidelity. Reducing them to screen size — you have to take phones into account — would’ve been disastrous.

But the idea of an ebook kept nagging at me. A few weeks ago, I had a brainstorm. Since modern displays are amazingly sharp, what if I included scans of the original samples as high-res photographs, rather than digitized versions?

I tried it out. It worked! Looking at a sample onscreen, even on a phone, you can see much more detail than in the printed version. I had finally caught up with the digital age!

It took three more weeks of constant fiddling, adjusting and experimenting to make the ebook as easy to read and use (it contains a teaching manual, after all) as its printed counterpart. Now that it has passed the Ariel test with flying colours (in my perhaps not-so-humble opinion), I’m proud to release it to the magic community.

https://isawthat.com/shop/reading-writing-ebook/
Message: Posted by: bevbevvybev (Dec 21, 2018 02:24PM)
Waldorf - Although there is a tick sheet available for my system, it's not necessary. Nor are tick sheets needed for any of my products. They're simply there if you want them. They are however based around flash cards as you well know. So I'm not sure why you said my graphology book was based on a tick sheet system. Doesn't really matter though!

Ariel - Looks good. Welcome to the digital age! You can include very high resolution images in books these days. It's a blessing as well as a curse, taking great high resolution photos is actually quite difficult.
Message: Posted by: arielf (Dec 24, 2018 10:44AM)
Thank you, bevbevvybev!

It's true, taking great hi-res pics for digital is difficult, but compared to print, it's a piece of cake. Getting b/w photos to reproduce accurately, or even just well enough to not be muddy, washed out or too dark, is murderously difficult. I have a friend who publishes high-end photography books. The only way he can get photos to look as intended is to tip in actual photographs -- forget trying to print them.

Happy Holidays!