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Topic: No Card Tricks Allowed!
Message: Posted by: TranMagic (Mar 22, 2013 12:58PM)
Hey guys, so as I'm sure some of you know, there are quite a number of people that, when eating dinner at their favourite restaurant, can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for card tricks that we all come up with.

So, I think this post should be for people to share ideas for tricks that are ideal for strolling that do not use cards.

A few of my favourites are:
Coins through table
Colour-changing knives
CMH

What are some of your favourite effects for table-hopping that do not use cards?
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Mar 22, 2013 01:25PM)
Obligatory on topic answer:

Finger Ring and String
Sponge Balls

My heartfelt answer:
Ambitious Card
Dr Daley's Last Trick
Invisible Deck

Any routine can be long and boring. Don't exclude card tricks from your set just choose the right ones.
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (Mar 22, 2013 01:40PM)
I love card tricks just as long as you don't do too many. I was asked to do 2 tricks just a little while ago. Sponge balls and a card trick..a force and a double lift. That was enough and the reaction was awesome. You also can't beat multiplying rabbits. Check out Bob Sheets Does Hospitality..Volume 1.
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 22, 2013 01:54PM)
You need to choose your card tricks wisely and give them an interesting presentation.
The I Hate David Copperfield Trick is a good one for instance.

Non-Card stuff:

Gypsy Thread
A Bill Change or Penetration
Tale of the Treasury Worm
Ring & Ribbon/String
Message: Posted by: TranMagic (Mar 22, 2013 02:10PM)
Sponge Balls are definitely a good one! I find trouble introducing them, though. "Oh hey guys, I've got these two spongeballs that I like to carry around in my pocket..." Also, they squish sometimes, which makes them look quite odd.

Also, I suppose you're right. I do sometimes perform two card monte, and I often use the ID to close, but I still generally prefer to stay away from card tricks when I'm table hopping, because there will be people who, when they see a deck of cards, go 'oh no, not this again' (probably from seeing failed card tricks in the past), and they aren't as engaged in the card tricks as you'd like them to be.

Charlie, I'm not unfamiliar with card tricks. I've used them before. But I find that card tricks, with regards to the audience's perception of a trick, generally have the highest rate of failure. For example, they'll credit effects to the magician's handling of the cards, not to MAGIC. Or maybe they aren't willing to offer the attention needed, even for a simple transposition of two cards using a duplicate card and a DL. Of course some people receive card tricks VERY well, but many people do not, which was the purpose of this topic; to let people know about tricks and routines that do not require a deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Mar 22, 2013 02:32PM)
You need to make tricks easy to follow. Its good to stay away from the and here is your card, Now it gone oh its under the glass, its in my pocket, now it on the celling, oh look its fold up in not one not two but 3 envlopes. Its good to keep at shuffle your card there it is. Also be able stop and draw Focus helps. Example I do card thru silk. They chose a card the deck is shuffled and wrapped up in a hanky. I hold the hanky up near my face. This give time for every one focus recount what's happened so far. Also I do try not to perform while people are actually eating.

As for sponge balls. I use a purse frame which I explain as a purse made out of a black hole. Also sponge bunnies, the way I introduce these are I don't have a rabbit in the hat but I do have a hare in the nose.

Hope this add to the great advice already given good luck.
Message: Posted by: bunkyhenry (Mar 22, 2013 03:24PM)
What is a purse frame?
Message: Posted by: TKD27 (Mar 22, 2013 03:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 15:10, TranMagic wrote:
Sponge Balls are definitely a good one! I find trouble introducing them, though. "Oh hey guys, I've got these two spongeballs that I like to carry around in my pocket..." Also, they squish sometimes, which makes them look quite odd.
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You can talk about how you once got in to a fight with a clown and stole his nose. Then explain to them the really interesting thing about clown noses, which of course we all know to be that when you squeeze them and put your finger down the center, they split in to two clown noses. Tricky clowns...
Message: Posted by: Julie (Mar 22, 2013 04:20PM)
Consider two copper/one silver coin transposition. Very visual, doesn't require onlookers to touch anything, looks like great manipulation, instant reset and can easily be routined to lead into another effect.

Julie
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (Mar 22, 2013 04:46PM)
Introducing Sponge Balls? First never call them sponge balls, they are balls or clown noses. I think people love card tricks or Jon Armstrong wouldn't have a career. I think, we as magicians, do too many at one time. But for the purpose of this thread, anything that takes place in the spectator's hands is a winner.
Message: Posted by: AndyLuka (Mar 22, 2013 05:20PM)
Donít call them sponge balls. In fact donít call them balls or anything for that matter. People can see they are balls, donít point out the obvious. Itís like saying "I have a stack of 52 individual pieces of cardboard here,"

Check out David Stones Sponge ball Routine. Itís very cool, very simple and only uses two balls.

Also I am a fan of Troy Hooserís Coin work. I use a few routines of his from his book, As well as a variation of his bottle production, also in his book.
Other things I have or have had done that do not involve cards
Mini Chop cup
Floating Ring
Bill switch or Bill to impossible location (card box)
Anything with a thumb tip
A quick and short rope routine
Pressure (phone in balloon)
Message: Posted by: Daz Buckley (Mar 22, 2013 08:07PM)
Coins - I have about 5 or 6 routines I alternate.
Ring and string
Flash bill to wallet
and many more.....

You don't need cards. But they are handy to have !
Message: Posted by: TranMagic (Mar 22, 2013 08:12PM)
I like the idea of the purse frame, thanks! Also the 'I got into a fight with a clown and stole his nose', that's quite humorous, thanks! :P

Ah, that's a good one, Julie! Are you referring specifically to the one that Greg Wilson teaches on 'On the Spot'?

A purse frame, like the one that comes in Steve Dacri's sponge ball kit, is like a coin purse, but without the actual purse, just the part that opens up, by itself. You can open it up and pull out anything you have palmed, ie sponge balls.

Again, charlie, I am not saying that people don't like card tricks. I'm saying that ordinary people who had no intention of watching magic, and are just out to eat dinner, may not necessarily enjoy card magic as much as they would other things, such as sponge balls, or coins. By no means am I saying that card magic isn't loved by many. People who go out with the intention of seeing magic would likely love to see a fair share of card tricks.

Thanks Andy!

I love David Stone! His sponge ball routine is great!
I've never seen Troy Hooser, or his coin work; I'll have to look that up.
Do you have anything I could refer to for floating ring?
Also, while I LOVE the effect of pressure, I really don't like how we can't hand it out afterwards. Well, as far as I know, the balloon wraps around the phone - Then what do you do with it from there?
Message: Posted by: Julie (Mar 22, 2013 09:03PM)
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On 2013-03-22 21:12, TranMagic wrote:
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...Ah, that's a good one, Julie! Are you referring specifically to the one that Greg Wilson teaches on 'On the Spot'?...
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The routine I'm referencing is by J.C. Wagner and Bob Sheets as supplied with Johnson's Silver/Copper/Brass Transposition.
That's the one with a genuine faux Chinese coin :).

This is especially good for your situation because it all happens in your hands.

Julie
Message: Posted by: curtgunz (Mar 22, 2013 09:34PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 16:42, TKD27 wrote:

You can talk about how you once got in to a fight with a clown and stole his nose. Then explain to them the really interesting thing about clown noses, which of course we all know to be that when you squeeze them and put your finger down the center, they split in to two clown noses. Tricky clowns...

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I find clowns too creepy.
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 22, 2013 11:58PM)
Chad Long's Flash

No Smoking

Both of these are versions of the color changing knives
Message: Posted by: jay leslie (Mar 23, 2013 12:44AM)
Ball sleights with two balls and a Hank
Giant paddle
Coin thru coin
Card to wallet (even though it's a card trick it has legs)
3inch coin manip
2copper 1silver
Ultimate ring and string
Jumbo ring off silk to jumbo watch
Weismans color cube
Quarter through pen
Ellis ring with the ring on/off/on thumb
Message: Posted by: Philip Busk (Mar 23, 2013 05:11PM)
Sponge balls or bunny
Coins thru table or to glass
Ring string, ring to key chain, etc
Bill change or similar
Message: Posted by: george1953 (Mar 23, 2013 05:17PM)
I do card magic as well as other kinds of magic but really what you do all comes down to how much room you have available on the table.
Message: Posted by: Daz Buckley (Mar 23, 2013 07:22PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 22:34, curtgunz wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 16:42, TKD27 wrote:

You can talk about how you once got in to a fight with a clown and stole his nose. Then explain to them the really interesting thing about clown noses, which of course we all know to be that when you squeeze them and put your finger down the center, they split in to two clown noses. Tricky clowns...

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I find clowns too creepy.
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No mirrors at your place then ?
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 23, 2013 07:29PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 13:58, TranMagic wrote:
Hey guys, so as I'm sure some of you know, there are quite a number of people that, when eating dinner at their favourite restaurant, can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for card tricks that we all come up with.

So, I think this post should be for people to share ideas for tricks that are ideal for strolling that do not use cards.

A few of my favourites are:
Coins through table
Colour-changing knives
CMH

What are some of your favourite effects for table-hopping that do not use cards?
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Actually....it's not the cards. They can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for ANY magic.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2013 08:17PM)
Really? Card tricks are bad but a 100 year old joke that every magician uses about a clown nose will fly? Seriously?
Message: Posted by: TKD27 (Mar 23, 2013 08:27PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-23 21:17, Dannydoyle wrote:
Really? Card tricks are bad but a 100 year old joke that every magician uses about a clown nose will fly? Seriously?
[/quote]

What's the hundred year old joke? Not just the act of calling sponge balls clown noses, right? I mean... that just justifies their existence :) People know clown noses exist. Magicians are somewhere near clowns in the entertainer spectrum, so there are a million ways to justify a magician credibly having a clown nose in his pocket. If your point, however, is that "card tricks aren't necessarily bad, it the presentation that makes it or breaks it," then yeah, I guess that applies to clown noses, too.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 23, 2013 08:31PM)
People get bored with card tricks but want to hear the exact same jokes for hundreds of years. The sam stupid lines like the clown nose thing.

If you don't see the corelationi can't help
Message: Posted by: Yellowcustard (Mar 23, 2013 08:36PM)
I use blue sponge balls and make a joke that its a month supplie of belly button fluff. But some pepole make a joke of it begin a nose of a clown with a cold.
Message: Posted by: motown (Mar 23, 2013 08:38PM)
There are of course many presentations for sponge balls. It's a matter of finding one that works for you.
Message: Posted by: MagicJuggler (Mar 24, 2013 06:27AM)
I do the sponge bunnies, making the first appear by collecting invisible bits of dust then rolling it into a ball for a gradual appearance and make it look like I'm shaping the mass into bunny shape. From there on I call them dust bunnies. The presentation I use must work fairly well as I've had a spectator that hadn't seen me perform in months ask specifically for the dust bunny trick. And this was an adult talking. Contrary to some magician's beliefs, the sponge bunnies work just as well for adults so long as the presentation doesn't insult their intelligence.
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Mar 24, 2013 10:30AM)
Zombie wrote:

[quote]Actually....it's not the cards. They can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for ANY magic. [/quote]

Thanky you.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 24, 2013 11:42AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-23 20:29, Zombie Magic wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 13:58, TranMagic wrote:
Hey guys, so as I'm sure some of you know, there are quite a number of people that, when eating dinner at their favourite restaurant, can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for card tricks that we all come up with.

So, I think this post should be for people to share ideas for tricks that are ideal for strolling that do not use cards.

A few of my favourites are:
Coins through table
Colour-changing knives
CMH

What are some of your favourite effects for table-hopping that do not use cards?
[/quote]

Actually....it's not the cards. They can't be bothered to focus all of their attention towards the long and dreadful plots for ANY magic.
[/quote]

Cards are a tool. It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Imagine a cabinet maker blaming his hammer because the thing isn't squate.
Message: Posted by: MikeTheKid (Mar 24, 2013 11:55AM)
I do coin routines including production, 3 fly and coin cross .. I sometime do one coin routine too when I want to show to a larger group.

Rubber band is good too, ring and string or sponger are also works well :)

Most of the time when I perform, I don't do card magic :P
Message: Posted by: Daz Buckley (Mar 24, 2013 07:18PM)
[quote]

Cards are a tool. It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Imagine a cabinet maker blaming his hammer because the thing isn't squate.
[/quote]

So true !!!!!
Message: Posted by: Remagicon (Mar 24, 2013 07:52PM)
Crazy Man Handcuffs routine. Simple and impromptu. No major props needed
Message: Posted by: TKD27 (Mar 24, 2013 08:17PM)
Danny, the clown nose thing isn't necessarily a joke, it's just a hook. A way to give a magic prop a reason for existing. It could be presented as a joke, or straight. A straight presentation might be something like, "my daughter has to play a clown in a school play, and I found her clown nose..."

Okay, that's not the best, but it's off the top of my head and just to illustrate my point. It only serves to justify the existence of sponge balls, which is an item that is really only manufactured for magicians.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Mar 24, 2013 08:45PM)
Why the need to justify things? Does an accountant justify his calculator? Does a doctor jusiltify his stethoscope?

Professionals have tools of their trade. Why do magicians feel guilty about ours?
Message: Posted by: Paul Rathbun (Mar 24, 2013 08:45PM)
Tough to beat Jay Sankey's Fan Mail.
Message: Posted by: TranMagic (Mar 24, 2013 10:18PM)
Laymen don't know the purposes of all of our props; and that's part of what adds to our ability to impress them with magic. On the other hand, laymen expect accountants to be able to calculate things using a calculator, or for doctors to listen to heart beats and what not with a stethoscope.
Message: Posted by: Dimitri Mystery Artist (Mar 24, 2013 10:42PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-24 21:45, Dannydoyle wrote:
Why the need to justify things? Does an accountant justify his calculator? Does a doctor jusiltify his stethoscope?

Professionals have tools of their trade. Why do magicians feel guilty about ours?
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maybe magicians feel guilty because they use cards because it is convenient and easy, it is easier to justify the use than to admit it to yourself. iīm not referring to all magicians!
Message: Posted by: charliemartin (Mar 25, 2013 08:24AM)
Being a former clown, the clown nose reference works for me, it has meaning, it's not for everyone.
Message: Posted by: Aaron Smith Magic (Mar 25, 2013 12:54PM)
Chop Cup, Sponge Balls, Ropes, Linking Rings, Bill to Marker Cap, CMH.
Message: Posted by: Fraser Gould (Mar 26, 2013 02:51AM)
Charming Chinese Challenge could be added to this list. Sometimes have to be a bit careful with angles, but a great close up routine that can involve three spectators.
Message: Posted by: Zombie Magic (Mar 27, 2013 08:07PM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-24 21:45, Paul Rathbun wrote:
Tough to beat Jay Sankey's Fan Mail.
[/quote]

NIce one, Paul! THAT is an incredible audience favorite.
Message: Posted by: Poof-Daddy (Apr 1, 2013 02:49AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 16:24, bunkyhenry wrote:
What is a purse frame?
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The metal part of a change purse. Without the purse attached . Mostly used to open, hold in left hand reach through open purse frame into fist and produce coins or sponge balls.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 1, 2013 11:58AM)
[quote]
On 2013-03-23 21:36, Yellowcustard wrote:
I use blue sponge balls and make a joke that its a month supplie of belly button fluff. But some pepole make a joke of it begin a nose of a clown with a cold.
[/quote]

In my opinion people don't get board with card tricks if a good performer is doing them. I know several performers over a long time that do nothing but cards and not only that I have worked professionaly with several that did nothing but card tricks all night - and the audience did not get board with them.

Just my opinion
Message: Posted by: MeetMagicMike (Apr 1, 2013 11:04PM)
I have three year olds asking me for card tricks becaue I choose the right tricks for the audience. I love sponge balls, Chop Cup and lots more but if I could carry only one prop it would be a deck of cards.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 2, 2013 02:26AM)
"It's the singer not the song, that makes the music move along".

From The Who. Join Together.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 2, 2013 01:05PM)
It is the singer and the song. There is something in music called arrangement - However I still feel it is partly the entertainer choosing the right material for their own personality.

I am still of the opinion only bad magicians give card tricks and other kinds of magic a bad rep in the minds of the public.

I hope this helps.
Message: Posted by: Kaylan (Apr 8, 2013 08:36PM)
How about...brining out a card box, and then taking sponge balls out of it...no need to say anything right? But you could...if it's ENTERTAINING.
Message: Posted by: Ollie1235 (Apr 8, 2013 09:52PM)
Is it possible that there's to much focus on 'patter'?

I'm pretty sure magic is awesome on its own. At least, I think so. Maybe do something amazing and in the meantime talk like a real human being would?

I can't begin to count the number of times I've been patronized by terrible patter and canned jokes.
Message: Posted by: Ollie1235 (Apr 8, 2013 09:52PM)
Is it possible that there's to much focus on 'patter'?

I'm pretty sure magic is awesome on its own. At least, I think so. Maybe do something amazing and in the meantime talk like a real human being would?

I can't begin to count the number of times I've been patronized by terrible patter and canned jokes.
Message: Posted by: MagicBoy2010 (Apr 9, 2013 08:57AM)
Where can we "check out" the David Stone Sponge Ball routine?
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 9, 2013 10:56AM)
Bad magicians have ruined magics reputation in the eyes of the public for a long time.
Message: Posted by: bishthemagish (Apr 9, 2013 12:03PM)
I can remember talking to another magician about this subject. And his point of view is that magicians that are bad - but may fool people can come off as a good magician. I added to that perhaps - but only until they experience a really good magician.

This gets back to the old saying of - magician or just some guy doing tricks.

In my opinion there is a big difference between an experienced card magician. And a guy doing card tricks. The experienced card magician and by experienced I am talking about an experienced performer - all the experienced card magicians I have known had no problem entertaining audiences with card magic.

I think that there is a difference in the experienced card magician as a performer - than some guy doing tricks.

Cheers!
Message: Posted by: harbour (Apr 9, 2013 02:14PM)
Take out the deck of cards with an extra force card.
force it and tell them that you're not allowed to do card tricks,
go into a TaR and make it great.
Now loose the card.
Have them beg you to do more with cards.

Ramsay Cylinder and Coins,
Copper/Silver
Bill switch

Now do a bill in lemon and show the card!~
Message: Posted by: Chamberlain (Apr 10, 2013 11:35AM)
These are the routines that I perform at gigs that aren't card tricks:

-CMH/Band thru Thumb
-Sponge Bunnies
-Roths Coin Flurry (with minor variations)
-Shell Coins Across (Using ideas from David Roth/Lonnie Chevries The Journey)
-Coin Unique Coin Vanish in the spectators hands
-Body Loading Coin Routine (Based on ideas by James Brown/Greg Wilson)
-Wonderland Bill
-Micro Chop Cup in the spectators hand
-Business Card Effects - Bold Business/Business Card Prophecy
-Ring Slide by Justin Miller (for slightly darker conditions)

And some others that I haven't performed for a while:
-Extreme Burn
-Bill Switch
-Bottle Thru Table
-Nest of Wallets
-5 to 1 Transpo
Message: Posted by: WesleyBryan (May 13, 2013 11:27AM)
Best way to introduce sponge balls is to produce them from thin air. Then at the end, vanish them. So it'll seem like you don't carry them around. Like they're just some mysterious objects that you can call into existence for the purpose of entertainment.
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 13, 2013 12:24PM)
Really? You think that is the best way huh?
Message: Posted by: Magic Patrick (May 13, 2013 06:30PM)
I like the following:
Killer Kollosal
Test Conditions
Powerball 60
100 Names
Burn Notice with Prediction
Toosh
Micro Psychic
2 dollar window
Sugar rush
die-cypher 2
spellbinding boxes
rabbit and hat silks
scotch and soda
hopping halves
loops
3rd degree burn
bill tube

Now I don't use these most of the time as I either am limited on pocket space (due to the many decks of cards I use), don't like the long resets, or the state of the people I am performing for (i.e. drunk or loud). Great exercise though. I have switched a lot to make life easier like for example I switched out 3rd degree burn for branded and kollosal killer for invisible deck. I pretty much like cards.

Patrick
Message: Posted by: GlenD (May 13, 2013 06:37PM)
Although by no means anywhere near being a mechanic with cards, I enjoy performing a few card tricks (full/gaffed deck or packet effect) per event. I also really enjoy and look for non-card effects that fit with my own style/personality in some way or have some personal appeal to me. With that said, some of my non card favorites are:

Linking safety pins.

Money effects.

TT and silks.

Sugar Rush.

Dr. Saks Dice routine.

Just some of my current favorites.

Glen
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (May 13, 2013 07:45PM)
How workable is it to have no card tricks in your repertoire?

I did a gig a few months back where I started out doing card magic as it is still often the "safest" for me, but then decided to test myself and leave my cards at the side and went around performing various coin, tt, silk and rope effects. The reactions were great and I preferred working without cards. However, it was a heavily female dominated event, so I wondered if in other situations, this might not work so well? eg. guys asking if I know any card tricks.
Message: Posted by: GlenD (May 13, 2013 10:21PM)
Make a variety of greeting cards "magically" appear out of your change bag! LOL

GlenD
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 14, 2013 04:13AM)
Seriously? Still it is the cards fault?
Message: Posted by: David Fillary (May 14, 2013 10:15AM)
Not sure who that is addressed to Danny, but if it was to my comment, I am not blaming the cards. I just personally don't enjoy practising card magic as much as other areas, and thus my other effects are better rehearsed and I devote more time to routining them - much like a lot of card guys' opinions on coin magic. Lots of people recommend the 3 routine set with a coin, card and close-up effect; I just thought I would see professionals' opinions on replacing the card routine with something else in various settings.
Message: Posted by: plink (May 14, 2013 10:20AM)
Having Harlan's Vortex or Portabl Ink ready to add to the bottom of the deck allows you to perform card tricks that are quick, visual blasts, kids love them, parents are baffled and you have a deck that's easily cleaned up if you get the card trick vibe. Also would like to throw in that I've been using Geoff Williams sponge ball routine a lot lately. Well structured and can be stopped at several points if the food should come. That's handy!
Message: Posted by: Hansel (May 23, 2013 02:37PM)
Cards are not responsible for anything.
Now with a poker boom they fascinate people!
Its your job as a magician to decide what card tricks are good and appropiate
Right to the point for your audiences and which ones are good for you and the man in
The mirror.
Lot of card tricks will only live on the pages of a Book !
Message: Posted by: vincentmusician (Apr 12, 2021 10:01PM)
I am not a big fan of card magic. I like to perform using different Props. However, there are excellent Card Magic routines. The advantage is you can do a lot of Magic with cards, they are cheap and easy to carry. However, I think it is good for yourself and the audience if you mix it up with other forms of Magic. Cheers!
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Apr 16, 2021 06:51PM)
Hereís some non card effects....

https://youtu.be/UPw-fjiJCAQ

https://youtu.be/e8dYtSsdzGk

https://youtu.be/vMn4bitFJRg
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 17, 2021 12:13AM)
Were those an example of effects less boring than card tricks?

I have never understood why magicians use the name of the effect in the presentation of the effect.
Message: Posted by: Avocat (Apr 17, 2021 08:14PM)
I once worked a ballroom with a Super Sharpie and a Post-It pad

Thatís where I stumbled across one of the strongest effects for young children.

Iíve mentioned it elsewhere, but just have the child throw up fingers and SG them.

I present it as the child correctly guessing MY number. Curtis Kam figures itís because children just accept that adults have certain abilities, so you must present it as a demonstration of the childís ability instead. Plays great with the kids and their parents.

For adults, I did a two-digit number and delivered a quick numerological reading leading up to the big reveal.

Sometimes, it can be beneficial to purposely hamstring yourself
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Apr 18, 2021 04:33AM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
Were those an example of effects less boring than card tricks?

I have never understood why magicians use the name of the effect in the presentation of the effect. [/quote]

Hi Danny - I assume you're referring to my post? Didn't mention boring card effects? Just thought I'd post some non card effects that I use myself. I guess you're inferring that these are boring? Hey ho... Can't win them all!
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (Apr 18, 2021 10:33AM)
I inferred nothing. I implied nothing, you would have to infer it.

I'm more curious as to why you would use the commercial name of the effect in the presentation?
Message: Posted by: simplymagicweb (Apr 18, 2021 12:17PM)
Another non card performance. CelebriDate performed at my lecture at the Magic Circle 2016 when I had hair!

https://youtu.be/WOOaVNaO0gs
Message: Posted by: ringmaster (Apr 27, 2021 02:25PM)
[quote]On Apr 17, 2021, Avocat wrote:
I once worked a ballroom with a Super Sharpie and a Post-It pad

Thatís where I stumbled across one of the strongest effects for young children.

Iíve mentioned it elsewhere, but just have the child throw up fingers and SG them.


Super glueing the child's fingers is an excellent way to keep him distracted.
Message: Posted by: akashdeep617 (May 17, 2021 12:22AM)
Carrying a Force Sight Svengali pad by Colin Cloud is really great to have.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 17, 2021 09:11AM)
What bad jokes about a clown's nose are you referring to?

[quote]On Mar 23, 2013, Dannydoyle wrote:
Really? Card tricks are bad but a 100 year old joke that every magician uses about a clown nose will fly? Seriously? [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 17, 2021 11:12AM)
[quote]On Mar 22, 2013, TKD27 wrote:
[quote]
On 2013-03-22 15:10, TranMagic wrote:
Sponge Balls are definitely a good one! I find trouble introducing them, though. "Oh hey guys, I've got these two spongeballs that I like to carry around in my pocket..." Also, they squish sometimes, which makes them look quite odd.
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You can talk about how you once got in to a fight with a clown and stole his nose. Then explain to them the really interesting thing about clown noses, which of course we all know to be that when you squeeze them and put your finger down the center, they split in to two clown noses. Tricky clowns... [/quote]

THIS is a 100 year old clown joke. I have no language in a card trick this ridiculous.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 17, 2021 11:31AM)
Hmmm... I usually pull out a sponge ball and ask anyone if they know what it is. I'll tell them it's not a clown's nose, cause it would have a slit down the middle so it would fit over my nose (usually put it on nose briefly) but I'm a magician, not a clown. Sponge balls have unique properties to them...blah, blah, blah.

I take advantage of the clown line to point with my index finger so that focus is on the pointing (to where the slit would be), not on the ball that hand is holding out. I also take advantage of the empty palm position (and the apparently empty hand that it suggests, even though a ball is being held out) that is displayed when I briefly pinch the ball and hold it on my nose.

Interesting thoughts on the clown nose line...

Card equivalent - Want to change your mind, no, happy with the mind you have. Or, I'll take the pen back, that's how I got it... Pick a card, any card...


[quote]On May 17, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
[quote]On Mar 22, 2013, TKD27 wrote:
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On 2013-03-22 15:10, TranMagic wrote:
Sponge Balls are definitely a good one! I find trouble introducing them, though. "Oh hey guys, I've got these two spongeballs that I like to carry around in my pocket..." Also, they squish sometimes, which makes them look quite odd.
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You can talk about how you once got in to a fight with a clown and stole his nose. Then explain to them the really interesting thing about clown noses, which of course we all know to be that when you squeeze them and put your finger down the center, they split in to two clown noses. Tricky clowns... [/quote]

THIS is a 100 year old clown joke. I have no language in a card trick this ridiculous. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Dannydoyle (May 17, 2021 12:46PM)
Nowhere near as bad as the clown nose nonsense, but then again I only work for adults.

By the way those are two great examples of lines I don't use.

There is HUGE difference in lines magicians all use, like the change your mind thing, and things like the clown nose nonsense.

If they work cool do them. If the change your mind line works do it. I was just pointing out the irony of folks using lines like the clown nose and sitting in judgements of card tricks.

Best to just do what is best for you and don't judge others.
Message: Posted by: Kaliix (May 17, 2021 04:15PM)
Fair points all.

I agree with you about stock lines. I guess that along with the natural misdirection, I always make sure to say it almost haughtily, like "I'm a Magician!" Then dismissively, "not a clown..." It makes me laugh a little inside to diss clowns every time I do sponge balls.

[quote]On May 17, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote:
Nowhere near as bad as the clown nose nonsense, but then again I only work for adults.

By the way those are two great examples of lines I don't use.

There is HUGE difference in lines magicians all use, like the change your mind thing, and things like the clown nose nonsense.

If they work cool do them. If the change your mind line works do it. I was just pointing out the irony of folks using lines like the clown nose and sitting in judgements of card tricks.

Best to just do what is best for you and don't judge others. [/quote]
Message: Posted by: Jack Skipton (May 19, 2021 07:57PM)
I would never do a gig without cards because in my work I find certain things are more suited for certain effects. To elaborate, I use coins for production, vanishes and transportation. I use rubber bands for penetration effects and rope for restoration. I generally use cards for prediction, transposition and psychokinesis effects among others.